Some of the Most Severe End Times Errors

There are a lot of severe errors often espoused by Christians and "Christians" on end times doctrines. These have thoroughly permeated society. But, the strongest advocates for these dangerous doctrines are not laypeople, but the religious "scholars" themselves, and religious "authorities".

This was why what happened when Jesus came 2000 years ago did happen. So that we would take warning from it. As it was then, it is today. Any of the elect is acutely aware of this, as they keep the word of Jesus, and do not replace it with endless rituals and a lot of hand waving and pretentious religion that has no effect.

Some of the worst errors:

-> That the events of Revelation are something which is discernible by religious "experts". They do this, just as they did in the time of Jesus. There are many ways that they do this. I will address some of these errors, individually, but the general attitude is, 'do not think anything in Revelation has already happened'. This is a very dangerous stance to take, because it will leave you helpless at the hands of these religious "experts". Who themselves have fallen into the errors of their spiritual ancestors, the Pharisees and Sadducees.

-> That Christ's Kingdom has already come, and Christians are reigning with Christ, already, on planet earth. Paul addressed that in first Corinthians. "You are acting as if you are already reigning with Christ, and I wish you were, as I would be reigning with you". One of the first ways the false religious "experts" try and squirrel out of this one is to argue semantics, that "Christ's Kingdom came when Christ came". But, they only evade the issue by doing so.

The reality is that the doctrine comes about by believing they spiritually rule earth, already, with Christ, as depicted in the Millennium. This is a lie. The danger of this lie is it makes people believe the world is good. But, the world is not good.

In this way, a vast false Christianity has been created, not unlike the false Judaism of Jesus' day.

-> That the Beast and False Prophet are one person. The reason given for this is that the verse on the name of the Beast is said to be "a man's name". This is an incorrect reading which comes from pre-existing, wrong doctrine. Anyone can look it up in the lexicon, it is plural. It can be used as singular, but more importantly it denies the entire context of "the Beast". The Beast has seven heads, which are seven kingdoms. Also often mistranslated as seven kings. Seven kings, or seven kingdoms, no man has seven heads, much less seven kings, and seven kingdoms as a head.

Further, this metaphor used has a previous context, of Daniel, and in that context, the Beast is shown as being kingdoms. So, even piddling over semantics aside, there is no excuse for any self-styled religious "expert" to claim the "Beast" is merely one man.

One major problem with this is 'missing the forest for the trees'. People look for a single tree, inside a whole forest of trees. In this way, and many others, they thereby are taught and trained to miss the Beast -- is already, and has been, all around them.

-> Dating. Dating is far more then just "Jesus will return at such date", or "Jesus returned at this date, and has been ruling spiritually since then". That later belief is espoused by the Jehovah Witnesses. On the face of it, people laugh. But, the cruel irony here is, that same belief has been injected into core popular Christian end times belief since the Roman Empire's Constantine became a Christian in the early fourth century, AD.

Other forms of dating are wide, but a popular one argues that "Revelation must happen across so many years". Often, they place this as seven years, or some other such sum. Nobody tells God what "must" be the proper reading of Revelation. It could happen over thousands of years -- in fact, unarguably, it does.

After all, for instance, the Beast had five of the heads already past, at the time of the writing.

-> Ignorance of the statue of Nebuchadnezzar. You may remember this as the dream Nebuchadnezzar had Daniel interpret. It is central to end times theology. It accurately foretold the coming kingdoms of the world, until the very end. That end has not happened yet. Misunderstanding and under rating the importance of that "statue" is a mother of errors of bad reading of ends times prophecy.

-> General arrogance. The reality is that most end times prophecy interpretations are well known. A hallmark of a false prophet (though they only claim to interpret other people's prophecies) is that they insist on one reading alone, and do not have seasoned arguments to back this up. You know how this is. People insist two plus two equals five, and leave it at that.

In order to become a false religious expert this is what they become practiced at. They learn the game. You believe one bad, illogical belief, and progress from there. The more, the better, for them.

What happens is a rat's nest of assertions that make no sense. By repeating the lie often, and strongly, this passes as "smarts" and "strength". And, they are cunning, and they are strong. But true strength is not measured by how strong one may hold to a lie, but rather by one's ability to overcome the lies of the world, through our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

Do not be fooled.


I will leave it at this, for now.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

"Whoever Trusts the Son has Life;
whoever Trusts not the Son has not Life"
"My Sheep Hear My Voice and Follow Me" They will not follow another.
Thus, even in these most dangerous, pernicious days,
His Sheep are Kept Safe
Trusting and Relying on the Father.
(not trusting on all or anything that is false teaching or in the beast system)

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Yes, 'enough even to fool the elect, if that were possible'. Which, it is not. Because they are the Elect. God's chosen.

parousia70 said:

Scripture teaches the opposite of what you are claiming here friend.
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God Loves the world and saves it.
We are to Love what God Loves.

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1 John 2:15
Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in them.

You quoted verses, twisting the meaning out of context. I have quoted one verse, exactly in the right meaning.

Further, you very rudely ignored the meaning of the word "reign". This was expected and I covered your rebuttal in the response I gave. Jesus has not returned yet.

You are, in context to what I am stating, claiming Jesus has returned, but this is a lie.

And, though I quoted this verse, as well - in my initial response - I will quote it again:

1 Corinthians 4

8 Already you have all you want! Already you have become rich! You have begun to reign—and that without us! How I wish that you really had begun to reign so that we also might reign with you! 9 For it seems to me that God has put us apostles on display at the end of the procession, like those condemned to die in the arena. We have been made a spectacle to the whole universe, to angels as well as to human beings. 10 We are fools for Christ, but you are so wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are honored, we are dishonored!


I have put it in bold, and in italics, so this time, it may not be missed by you.


It is very rude and dishonest of you to have ignored that, and simply pasted in a bunch of verses which are entirely out of context.

As for these verses you quoted, they speak of Jesus reigning in Heaven, and ultimately, on earth.


This is at the Seventh Trumpet

Revelation 11

15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

“The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.”


Further, the reign of Christ, on earth, does not show its' appearance until Revelation 19 and 20.

Revelation 20

4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


Jesus is not the "god of this world", Satan is. So, if you love the world, you are of those whose father is Satan, not God.


This is basic Christian doctrine. It should be noted that your response was very diabolical, and rude. But, while you ignored my verses, and explanation, besides posting verses out of context to prove your point you do these nasty things while calling me "friend" and issuing other friendly lies.

If you wish to be a friend, be honest, be upright, operate fairly, and treat God's holy word with respect.


This message you are giving people is what their eager ears want to hear, as you are telling them they are okay in their sin, and, effectively, that Jesus is not coming back. That is what the people of the world want to hear.

Jesus said, "my Kingdom is not of this world".

But, it will be.

Soon.


Why is it that the prophets would warn people about impending disaster, urging them to repent, but the false prophets would attempt to stop their message saying, "No, no. Disaster will not come, dear brothers and sisters. Do not listen to this man."

But, we also know the hearts of false prophets such as those, outwardly they show themselves as sheep, but inwardly, they are ravenous as wolves.


But, here is the good news: I am not trying to save Israel. This is not twenty five hundred years ago. 'Let the wicked remain wicked'. As another poster here said well, 'why bother giving beauty lessons to an orangutan'.

The Elect have been and will escape the coming disaster, but the wicked will get shown up in their sin, and their love of the world.


Make no mistake, "the Beast" is "the world". Just as the idol of Nebuchadnezzar is "the world". Not exactly, but you can certainly do this as shorthand. And the worshippers of the Beast say, "Who is like the world? Who can make war with it?"

The Kingdom of God is far superior to the kingdom of the world.

The Kingdom of God can make war with the world.


Humankind will not enter into their future by the efforts of humankind. All they would do is destroy it. Heaven will issue in the future of the world.

If you love what is good about the world, then you must hate the world, as it is, under Satan.


You can not serve two masters, both God and Satan. You either love one and hate the other.

parousia70 said:

What do you mean by that?

What power do His enemies have over Him presently that He does not have over them?

Can His enemies prevent anyone from choosing salvation by grace through faith?
What "greater" power is there than that?

Perhaps you believe one day the unrepentant will somehow share in Christ's victory over Satan?
Is that what you think is missing and not yet fulfilled?

Seems to me you are the one who is misunderstanding the passage.

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This is very clear doctrine and Scripture you are arguing against.

Unfortunately, you love the world, but it is evil.


The god of this world is Satan. This is basic teaching from Jesus.


Jesus has not returned yet. Jesus will return, then the world will be ours, and we will reign with Christ for a thousand years.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

The so-called "end-time errors" / deceptons/ like the "many anti-christs" already in the first century,
have deceived the whole world including the religious world since the first few centuries.
Only the elect have not been deceived, as written in Scripture.

A new heart is needed, is a more gentle way of saying this, as the mind is not able to grasp this until the heart has been turned to Yahweh, as Jesus said: "Turn to Yahweh, for His Kingdom is at hand" ......

Most people never have nor ever will turn to Yahweh.

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Ultimately, I hope for the best, but it is hard to argue that the 144,000 is not a literal number.

It is clear that the world will have to go through a very powerful and terrible thing, just as it is described in Revelation. Then, there is the thousand years, finally the rebellion, and final judgment.

But, 'the knowledge of the Lord will fill the earth, as the waters cover the seas'.

So, I am looking at the long range. Centuries out.

What we have coming up is terrible disaster.


What we have today has not 'come down from Heaven', but has 'risen up out of the Abyss'.

It is a treadmill. People believe they will be exploring space, with society, as it is, hundreds and thousands of years from now. Never asking themselves, 'what do these dreams matter, if we are all going to die'. They just take it for granted that the afterlife will be a pleasant place, somewhere else. Because this is what the religious establishment teaches them.

But, the afterlife is right here, on planet earth.

Human beings can not solve the death problem, they just shove it aside.

Even if they could, they do not understand what it is. If they did, they would see, they are already dead.

It is sin which causes death, defeating them, pushing them into the grave.


By their terminology, we not only have "first contact", we have solved the "death problem". And the "everything else" problem.

But, implementing it comes from the Kingdom, above.

And, angels are not their fantasy aliens.

parousia70 said:

If you can't answer the question, just say so.
There is no shame in admitting you don't know.

Ever the optimist, I'll give you another opportunity to actually provide an answer:

What Power do Christ's enemies have over, above and beyond Jesus here on earth today?
What Power do you say Jesus LACKS here on earth today?

Please be as specific as you can. Use as much scripture as you think necessary.

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You have not asked me a question I did not answer before you ignored the answer.

I do not have any obligation to repeat myself. I see, as for your questions, which come from you not knowing, others have also answered you.

Jesus spoke in riddle, saying, 'They are ever hearing, but never perceiving'.

This attitude you are coming at me with is one where you believe you have the answers. You are acting as if you are some gatekeeper I must give the right answer to, that I might pass. But, you have no gate I need to open. I do not have an obligation to persuade those who are given answers, but can not process them.

To not understand that the world is evil is a basic flaw, it is not able for me to fathom. This is very basic Christian doctrine. Jesus clearly taught this, and you have had multiple strong verses given to you already. Ground that is hard can not be planted on, it is a waste of time.

A hard or narrow mind is not something which either seed or water can penetrate.

You state the world is good, even of God. Why then did God send his only son to die for the world, to save it, if it is good? And, was not God already above Satan? You seem to be arguing that God is not above Satan, that Satan is God.

Paul pointed out that because man did not choose to worship God, that God turned man over to a depraved mind. That means Satan, and that means the world was turned over to Satan.

Jesus reported that Satan claimed the world was his, in the temptation.

Satan showed Jesus the glory of the world, and asked him, to worship him, and he would give to him the world. Satan pointed out God had given him the world, so it was his to give. Jesus resisted this. But, clearly, the religious establishment, did not.

Meanwhile, they are busy covering up sex crimes, and trying to hedge their investments in false prophets.

Jesus warned, 'what is it if you gain the world, but lose your eternal soul'. And, 'the one who tries to save their life in this world, will lose it'.

Many claim to follow Jesus, but do not teach and follow his word. Instead, they have replaced it with rituals, and new rules and new teachings that contradict his teachings.

I would actually argue that you are "optimistic". I do not see my own self as "optimistic", but I would not say that word does not fit me. The difference, however, is my faith is based on evidence. "Unseen" evidence, yes, but evidence which is also very visible to me, very proven.

Just as Jesus said that they hear but do not perceive, he also said, 'they are always seeing but never perceiving'.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

The best is that the 144,000 is exact, as Yahweh says.

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Probably. Revelation is written in code, however, and so people should keep their minds open.

Even with that, we know the twelve tribes no longer literally exist. Even if one argues that they do, which can be argued, perhaps, we know that they would, if they had descendants, be so watered down to make their case they are from 'this' or 'that' tribe meaningless. More importantly, however, even if there is such DNA, physical ties, it would be so mixed up, they would be from multiple tribes, and many other nations, as well. That is, more importantly, God is pointing, here, to a spiritual group, not a physical group.

It is forgotten that when John the Baptist and Jesus was sent to Israel, the presiding belief of that day was that all of Israel was saved, and would rule in the resurrection of the dead, because they were of the 'seed of Abraham'. So, they believed, merely because they were descendants of Abraham, that they were the chosen and the elect.

(Even though the Sadducees did not believe in the 'resurrection of the dead', and the Pharisees considered all non-Pharisees to be 'cursed'.)

Today, and for many centuries now, we see the same level of arrogance and assumption. Pride.

Today, people believe if they just claim to be followers of Jesus, that they are okay. This despite the warning Jesus gave about those very people, directly. Indirectly, everything Jesus showed, in word and action, about the religious establishment of that day, is what the elect take as warning for their own selves. Because it would be repeated, and has been repeated, again and again.

As for my claiming that Revelation is in code, I have just finished a post on that, to clarify my viewpoint.

I certainly keep an open possibility that there may be more then 144,000 saved, but this does not mean I have not also hardened myself to the possibility that it may only be 144,000. Though, I do know, the world, in the far future will be one of the saved, not of the damned. In the more near future, and for a very long time, the world will be literally ruled by the 'Kingdom of God'. After the destruction of the 'lawless one', as described in Revelation 19.

That some are forefront and leaders is not strange, nor does it mean that they are put there merely to be the only left survivors on earth. If we wish to be literal, Revelation 19 speaks of the entire population of the earth being 'killed' and the 'birds' 'gorging on their flesh'. This is called 'the Great Supper of God' -- so, we already know, then, there is code at play there. As 'birds' are the dinner guests eating the flesh of the whole earth, 'great and small'? Literal birds? Of course not.

We are called to save, and some are put forth first, to save those who are lost. This is our calling, with the Angels.

If that killing is not literal, then who will be there to lead those who have had their entire conception of their selves, all of their life's investments, to salvation and truth? Only a small number is needed to lead the way.

Likewise, it is believed that the damnation Jesus spoke of in his apocalyptic sayings is final, and there is no respite. But, this is not actually said. What is said is they will be cast into outer darkness, they will be shut out of the Kingdom. We can certainly suppose that this is as final as it is for 'Satan and his angels'. And, maybe it is.

But, I will tell you, I have seen there is a time where people are shut out, and cast out into the fire, and into the darkness, and they can find redemption, even then.

Indeed, Jesus said, "I have the keys to death and hell".

It is the 'Christian religious establishment' which has put forth that 'there is no way out of Hell'.

Like Heaven, which people see as 'up there' and 'far away', comes to earth, so to is Hell come to earth.

Like the resurrection of the dead does not happen on some other planet, but right here, on planet earth, so too does Judgment Day come.

A Day of Darkness and Dread.

But, that light which is seen as a 'dark sun' rising, is only dark because the people have been living in a kingdom which 'rose up out of the Abyss'. It is as the darkness one experiences coming out of a cave, 'blinded by the light'.

This world is already as the 'world of the grave', of which Job spoke, 'where white is black, and black is white'.

If these things take the world by surprise, as God promised, through Jesus Christ: we should consider what all comes with it. Not just Jesus 'coming as a thief in the night'. But, also, with him, the angels, and the dead in Christ -- whom we might certainly count among that number the saved before Jesus had his physical ministry on earth.

So, how will all those angels, and all those 'formerly dead' make their appearance, among us?

Coming in the literal sky and the literal 'clouds of Heaven', something Jesus said not to expect?

Where can all those angels and 'dead in Christ' hide, that they might surprise the world?

These are rhetorical questions, and you may think of them as matters you do not wish to even to begin to entertain. You may believe my boldness in speaking is one set because I am a person you may see as deluded. A person who thinks he is important, when he is not. Yet, even if this were the case, what would I be saying?

You might calculate that I am saying that the 'dead in Christ' are already among us. That they are born as babies and risen up as people, ignorant to their past life. Sleep in the womb. As I have certainly seemed, at least, to intimate.

But, then, this leaves the big blank open, if I were to be so bold as to believe something as far fetched and seemingly contradictory to Scripture as that... what about all the angels? Where are they? Are they too, already amongst the population, in great masses, not just invisible, but also disguised as ordinary humans?

Angels are spirit, have no form, and are unseen. But, it is true, they can disguise themselves as human. But, nothing in Scripture indicates they would go so far as to take on really deep disguises, as Jesus did, being God in the flesh. (Who yet, 'did not even see equality with God as being something to be grasped'.)

If all the world is wrong, then maybe there is something which is right, which is not said on earth, which is not only equally vast, but more vast then what human beings could ever imagine.

Regardless, making such rhetorical questions generally is not easy to be received, even if they are designed to be but rhetorical. That is, questions for one to consider. But, in a world where one has learned to ignore what man says, and for someone like your own self, who has to put thick stuffing in your ears, and a blindfold around your eyes - like my own self - that we might not see nor hear what people say and do, to hear and see the truth...

Does this not mean that there might not be truths and amazing things which are 'too difficult to believe even if one is told'?

Ultimately, in such a consideration, one such as me giving the consideration, is probably going to be the central point of struggle: that is, are they mad, or absolutely evil? Are they Satan? A demon? Are they cursed by God? Are they streaming forth maddening lies that must not even be heard?

Maybe they are just 'deceived' and 'leading others into deception'.

Not everybody has questions, not everybody is seeking. I am always seeking my own self. 'One of the Kingdom of Heaven is as one who has treasures, new and old'. And I often seek to trade those treasures. It is little value to me to have treasures, and be unable to obtain new treasures. Such trades are valuable to me, but rare. Instead, I often find myself being forced to throw my treasures to hordes of dogs, in hopes that, after being rended, that maybe there is someone who can come forth from the crowd and show me the treasures they have.

Have we become shepards of dogs and swine, walking amongst them?

Regardless, if what I am saying are rhetorical questions with answers to them, not merely designed to open the mind to new possibilities, then the level of evidence I would have had to have to believe such things would be... that exact level of evidence as the claims that I make.

A person convinced by something terrific.

I would have been shown such evidence in such a way that I was completely convinced, my own self. So, how could that have happened?

Been many places in my 48 years, many strange places, and still am. That picture is of late.

What I am stating is that my boldness and confidence is not of arrogance and some impossibly wild imagination. But, I did not convince my self of my own beliefs, rather I was convinced by the ones with the evidence to show me.

Put another way: if I were claiming to be in contact with aliens from outer space, I could be making that up. How people make up such stories, is beyond me. But, I have observed some of those who lead in such stories, and observed that they do not have the understanding I have, nor speak in the manner I speak. Not that this is necessary, but is is clear to see, they are not really persuaded by anyone, of anything.

They are just making up stories. They have nothing better to do or say.

This is a cold world today. A very cold and dark world. True treasure is hard to find.

The Kingdom can seem so far away. Angels as merely theoretical. Distant.

'I found an island in your arms, country in your eyes. Arms chain. Eyes lie. Break on through to the Other Side.'