Did Jesus sin when His feet were on the Earth?

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2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

You are confusing sinning with being made sin. To be made flesh, is to be made sin.

What is Jesus made of now? Or rather, what will we be made of when resurrected?
 
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Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Psa 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Sorry there is no verse that just comes out and says it. It is the culmination of lots of verses. The flesh is corruption by virtue of not being made of corruptible dust.
Every one of those you quote say that man is born into sin. Yes. I agree. I also agree that Jesus was made subject to the same laws. The key point or word being "he sinned". In other words, engaged in a thought or act that was considered to be against himself, God. These chapters and verses say we are all sinners, but they do not that Jesus was made sin when he became flesh.

That flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God is easily seen that we, as joint heirs with Christ, cannot inherit nor enter nor partake of heaven until we have accepted Jesus Christ in His perfection. We are not perfect, but Jesus was then and is today.

Think of it this way; When Jesus approached his cousin, John, and said that he too needed to be baptized he was acknowledging that he needed to fulfill the prophesies just as they were recited. But also, just like all other humans, Jesus was subject to the same temptations, and he was subject to getting dirty and sweaty when working. Jesus was subject to the laws of physics and to insect bites causing the raising of a pimple. Jesus, the man, was subject to hunger when not fed and thirst when not quenched. But sin...? I don't see it.
 
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Going through this thread it really sounds like a case of "itching ears". Why would one want so badly to make Jesus out to be absolutely sinful when He actually became sin for us in order to take away the sins of the world - that we may not perish?

All this just for asking a question of "why"? Suddenly that makes Jesus not our Saviour? If one reads the Gospels & the OT, one will see that all Jesus did was fulfill prophesy after prophesy - even after His death. What Jesus was citing was David in Psalms. David prophesied Jesus' death in his own troubles. To ask a question like this is simply to ask, not questioning God's will. Those are two completely different things.

If one is really serious about knowing God or getting to know Him, one should be asking Him and not the opinions of other people. :yellowheart:
 
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If asking God "why have you forsaken me?" was a sin, then Jesus sinned on the cross.
Therefore, he was not perfect; therefore he didn't die for our sins.

Jesus was made sin for us because he took all our sins upon himself. When all our sins were on him, HE became sin.
He didn't say, "ok, I've got to become sin so I had better commit a sin myself". He was the spotless Lamb of God, 1 Peter 1:19, who takes away the sins of the world, John 1:29.
Correct. Had Jesus sinned himself then His death and resurrection might have been construed as being for Himself. No, He had to be sinless in order to receive our sins. The corrupt cannot take on the incorruptible or to put it another way, the non-corrupted Jesus took on the corruption of mankind. Had Jesus been corrupt Himself then He could not have taken on anyone elses corruption.
 
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Jesus was sinless before the Cross. However, when God forsook Him He became sin for us. By crying out 'why' doesn't it show that He was falling short of the glory of God by questioning His Father?

Jesus was quoting Psalm 22 there, which also contains a description of the suffering of the Messiah to come. By quoting scripture (God's word) Jesus is applying to himself the reality of what was foretold about him and affirming once again his identity as the suffering servant who came to take the penalty for our sin. In essence, he is using the Words David was inspired by the Spirit to write, so he is "fulfilling" the word of God in his word and deed on the cross.

As far as questioning/doubting go, there are places in the Bible (e.g. post-Exodus Israel) when God condemns lack of trust, but not questioning per se. For example, Jesus quotes this well-known passage from Deuteronomy 6:16 "You shall not put Yahweh your God to the test"... but he leaves out the rest, "...as you tested at Massah". Turn to Exoudus 17 and you find that the "testing" had nothing to do with real questions, but about grumbling and accusing God of evil motives.

For a counter example, look at Gideon's "testing" of God: he needed 3 proofs in order to have the confidence to obey. God graciously gave it to him because he knew what was in his heart. It was not a testing due to resentful defiance, but a testing of timidity with a desire to hope, trust and obey.
 
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God, who knows the beginning from the end, yes? or no? If He asks why then He is not God?

Check out Philippians 2:1-11. The Son "emptied himself" while on earth and took on a new "form" (i.e. of a servant) something unlike the "form of God" that he natively possesses as a member of the Tri-une God of everything, Yahweh.

While on earth, he did all thing sin concert with the Father (John 6:40, John 8:18) and through the power of the Holy Spirit (John 3:34).

In taking on a second nature (form), the Son took on human limitations but not our sin. For example, we know that God never sleeps or slumbers" (Psalm 121:4), but Jesus did sleep (Matthew 8:24). Human limitation is not sin, in the same way that limitations in the game of Soccer (er, Football) are not bad, they DEFINE the game. Human limitations DEFINE humanity. While on earth, Jesus operated within the confines of humanity, but lived empowered by the Holy Spirit doing the Father's will perfectly, especially dying on the cross (John 5:19).

As a corollary, human weakness (sickness, pain, etc.) is not sin. Spiritual death is the result of rebellion against God, but God allows human suffering for his glory and our good. (John 9:1-3, Philippians 4:10-14).
 
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Jesus was sinless before the Cross. However, when God forsook Him He became sin for us. By crying out 'why' doesn't it show that He was falling short of the glory of God by questioning His Father?

No. That's a false reading of Scripture.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Before the Cross, before God turned His face away from Him.

That never happened. The Father never turned His face away from His beloved Son. That is a modern heresy.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Jesus had to be made sin for us

Consider, for cursed is anyone who is hung from a tree; Christ bore the weight of our sin, He endured shame for our sake. Our sin, not His own. To be made sin is to speak of the depth of Christ's offering of Himself. The perfect was joined to the imperfect (us) and shared on the fullness of the reality of our shame, our awfulness, though He Himself was at all times perfect and holy.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Jesus had to be made sin for us
I read the question as asking if Jesus sinned on earth as a human. My statement reflects that there is a difference between being made sin and sinning. After His crucifixion he was made sin in order to be justified, but he did not sin to be justified.
 
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What was actually the point of the question?
Ohhh, that is a good one. We get so engrossed in our back and forth we tend to forget there was a purpose..., even if we never knew it in the first place.
 
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Ohhh, that is a good one. We get so engrossed in our back and forth we tend to forget there was a purpose..., even if we never knew it in the first place.

I expect the OP has some point in mind and is waiting for someone to give him a "gotcha" moment.
 
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Of course not! Jesus never ever sinned not even once. This is why He is called the "New Adam." The previous Adam fell into disobedience and destroyed the perfect utopia. Jesus, On the other hand, took the just penalty and suffering for guilty sinners on His own hands, so that He can reopen the door to paradise for those who believe in Him (John 3:16).
 
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Christ was made sin, by virtue of being made flesh.


Rom.7:18(NAS)
For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me, but to do that which is good is not.
19 For the good which I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I practise.
20 But if what I would not, that I do, it is no more I that do it, but sin which dwelleth in me.

For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing:


Ps.51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity; And in sin did my mother conceive me.


Heb.2:14 Since then the children are sharers in flesh and blood, he also himself in like manner partook of the same; that through death he might bring to nought him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
15 and might deliver all them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
16 For verily not to angels doth he give help, but he giveth help to the seed of Abraham*.
17Wherefore it behooved him in all things to be made like unto his brethren, that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.
18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succor them that are tempted.


2Cor.5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin;

who knew no sin; Jesus never committed a sin.


Rom.8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Rom.7:1-25

Gal.5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.


Heb.9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.


Is.53:10 Yet it pleased Jehovah to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed*, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of Jehovah shall prosper in his hand.
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by the knowledge of himself shall my righteous servant justify many; and he shall bear their iniquities.
12Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he poured out his soul unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors: yet he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.


*Gal.3:16(KJV) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.


Is.59:20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.
21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed*, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.





And another of the disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. But Jesus saith unto him, Follow me; and leave the dead to bury their own dead.(Matt.8:21-22)
 
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