The pre-advent Investigative Judgment of Daniel 7
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Actually, EW viewpoint did, as we have God the father giving to jesus all of the saved, Jesus intercedes as their High priest, Holy Spirit seals them, and NONE shall ever be lost again!
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Ummmmmm, actually the BEGINNING of Daniel has only recently (i.e. the era approximate to 1948) began:
Daniel 12:4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”
9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end.
... and if "run to and fro" suggests advanced travel (jet airlines), and "knowledge shall increase" suggests computer technology, -- then maybe we're finally able to unseal the prophetic Chapters of Daniel.9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end.
I have, -- have you?
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NO sir. It is you that needs to post the Scriptures that YOU need explained.
I am the saying that there is NO Investigative Judgment. It is then up to YOU to prove YOUR theology.
But ya know what, I am a nice guy so I will help out.
Daniel 7:1...……
"In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon, Daniel had a dream, and visions passed through his mind as he was lying in bed. He wrote down the substance of his dream.'
The time of Daniels vision is explained historically.
It was in the 1st year of the rule of Belshazzar.
That means it was in the end of the time that the HEAD of GOLD or Babylon was ruling the world.
Belshazzar was the king the night that Gpbryas came with his army under the city wall where a canal once flowed and he took the city.
"Visions" tell us that Daniel had the 1st 3 beasts in his 1st vision, the 2nd vision concerned the 4th beast only and the 3rd vision is a scene in heaven.
Now as you can plainly see, there is NO Investigation Judgment of Christians in that ONE verse.
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Jude told us that A true apostle would point out the false ones.
Yet today, not only do those who claim to be apostles fail to do so, but there are threats and manipulations for those who do not go along with what they are trying to portray. 'Jezebel,' 'Antichrist,' and 'Blasphemer of the Holy Spirit' are common terms used for those who speak against them.
Alarmingly, these impostor’s claim to be exclusively without error in their interpretations and teachings on these matters. They are to be questioned by no one. In reading the letter of Jude, we find him exhorting the believers to contend for their faith among apostates in the church.
More specifically, verse 17 reminds the church of the apostles' warnings of mockers coming in the last days that are natural men not having the Spirit. Today we find those who claim to have more of it than others. Nowhere do we find the apostles preaching they are anointed and certainly did not imply they were more so than others.
The danger of these mislead leaders is that they will cause divisions without realizing the harm they do, nor the judgment that they will eventually incur upon themselves.
The reason why there are no Apostles today is really very simple.
First of all, Scripturally we find that the apostles were all personally chosen by the Lord Jesus. Mt.10:1-4 and in Lk.6:12-16.
Now it is written in the Bible!!!!
The 2nd of the Biblical requirements for one to be rightly regarded as an apostle were those following Jesus from the time of John’s baptism.
Thirdly, they also were to have seen the risen Lord be witnesses of his resurrection.
When the closed group of twelve became eleven, they sought another to take Judas' office: Acts 1:21-22...…….
“Therefore, of these men who have accompanied us all the time the Lord Jesus went in and among us beginning from the baptism of John to that day he was taken up from us One of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection.' “
Now, my advice to you is that you argue with the Word of God and not me.
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All so called Apostles of today would be speaking forth out of their own delusions and false teachings, as they do NOT uphold the theology of the scriptures, so the Holy Spirit is not with them!
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CONTEXT!
Daniel 9-10...……..
“And he [the angel] said, ‘Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, made white, and refined, but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.”
This is referenced to the 7oth Week of Daniel's prophecy of the last 7 years or Jacobs Trouble.
We are living today in the :Church Age or the Day of Grace". We are to be as Paul said in Titus 2:13...……….
"Looking for that blessed hope, and glorious appearing of the Great God and our Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ".
"Many shall run to and fro" is a very ambiguous statement and difficult to understand.
The Hebrew translates “run to and fro” (Hebrew: “shut“) as to travel or movement from one physical place to another.
For instance, we read in Jeremiah 5:1:...…….
“Run to and fro through the streets of Jerusalem… If you can find a man… who executes judgment, Who seeks the truth, And I will pardon her…”.
Amos 8:12:...…….
“They shall wander from sea to sea, And from north to east; they shall run to and fro seeking the word of the LORD, but shall not find it.”
We can see that in all these places where the Hebrew word “shut” is used, some kind of physical movement is being referred to. The German Pattloch Bible states: “Many will roam searching, and the thirst for knowledge will be great.”
MY thinking is that the reference in Daniel 12:4 is not to travel and physical knowledge, but to the searching of the Scriptures and the gaining of spiritual knowledge. The thought is that people—the wise—will go to and fro in the Scriptures, searching them daily to see whether the things are so (compare Acts 17:11), and thereby increasing in godly knowledge (2 Peter 3:18).
For instance, Ellicott’s Commentary for English Readers states: “The verb ‘to run’ [in “run to and fro”] is used in Jeremiah 5:1 of searching after knowledge. In this sense it is used of ‘the eyes of the Lord’ (Zechariah 4:10; comp. Amos 8:12). In the same sense it is used in this verse. Many will anxiously search in this book for knowledge of the manner of God’s dealings with His people, and will derive comfort and understanding therefrom.”
People in the LAST DAYS will be wanting to know what is going on all around them but the TRUE born again believers will have been RAPTURED so there will not be anyone left on the earth to explain it to them.
But that is just me.
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Personally, I have never been a member of a Dead Church.
You see, the Holy Spirit indwells ALL believers and if you or me were in a DEAD church we would be either in a Grave Yard or a church of ATHIESTS.
To want to have the "Sign Gifts" today is nothing more than "EMOTIONALISM" in order to show those around us that we are saved.
Actually you are bringing up the teachings on CESSATIONISM as compared to CONTINUATIONALISM.
Unfortunately, Continuationalism has not been done is a Biblical manner today and those SIGN GIFTS given to the apostles has been notoriously abused for personal gain.
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Once Saved Always Saved is the backbone of being Born Again!
When people come to know Christ as their Savior, they are brought into a relationship with God that guarantees their eternal security.
Jude 24 declares...……..
"To Him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before His glorious presence without fault and with great joy."
God's power is able to keep the believer from falling. It is up to Him, not us, to present us before His glorious presence. Our eternal security is a result of God keeping us, not us maintaining our own salvation.
John 10:28-29...………….
"I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand".
Both Jesus and the Father have us firmly grasped in their hand. Who could possibly separate us from the grip of both the Father and the Son?
How can anyone reject or not understand Romans 8:38-39...……………...
"For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Our eternal security is based on God's love for those whom He has redeemed. Our eternal security is purchased by Christ, promised by the Father, and sealed by the Holy Spirit.
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You can twist what is says all you want, but Chapters 7, 8, 9, 11, & 12 all pertain to events approximate to the 1900's and into the 2,000's. -- It's easy to believe the commentator lies, but more difficult to discover the TRUTH. And if you decide to do your own research, an easy place to start might be the Intelligent Design sequence in 2:45, Iron, Bronze, Clay, Silver, Gold = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE, which contradicts the 4a/4b premise.
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I really think I will stick with what Scripture says, and will pass on your "advice".
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... at the end of the Millennial Kingdom:
Rev. 20:7 And when the thousand years are ended, ...
13 And the sea gave up the dead in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead in them, and all were judged by what they had done.
13 And the sea gave up the dead in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead in them, and all were judged by what they had done.
... and of course they which are alive and remain on earth shall ascend (be "raptured") to the New Jerusalem.
But if you think otherwise, it might be prudent to leave your options open by planning for the worse and hoping for the best.
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Actually some who attend a DEAD church may even be participating in cult church:
2 Timothy 3:5 holding the form of religion but denying the power of it. Avoid such people. 6 For among them are those who make their way into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and swayed by various impulses, 7 who will listen to anybody and can never arrive at a knowledge of the truth. 8 As Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of corrupt mind and counterfeit faith; 9 but they will not get very far, for their folly will be plain to all, as was that of those two men.
Hmmmmm, it seems you defy Scripture:
1 Cor. 14:26 What then, brethren? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.
29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said.
29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said.
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Going back through the posts, it seems no one answered you question. So if you'll permit me, I'd like to provide the answer.
Dan. 7:20 and concerning the ten horns that were on its head, and the other horn which came up ...
Here we find TEN horns, and an ELEVENTH.
Dan. 7:20 .. and the other horn which came up and before which three of them fell ...
Now we should know that the "three" are the Three Superpowers -- Lion/Eagle, U.K./U.S.; Bear, Russia; Leopard (actually a Tiger), China -- who will yield their sovereignty to the United Nations ("other" eleventh horn). And if we consider the ten horns for which the first three are the Three Superpowers, the remaining seven horns are itemized in total as follows:
Permanent Membership on the Security Council
1. U.S.
2. U.K.
3. France
4. Russia
5. China
2. U.K.
3. France
4. Russia
5. China
NOMINATED for Permanent Membership on the Security Council *
6. Germany – economic power
7. Japan – economic power
8. Brazil – regional representative for S. America
9. Nigeria – regional representative for Africa
10. India – regional representative for the Near East
* “The Road To Reform: Towards A New Clarity,” U.N. Chronicle, UMI, Vol. 30, Issue 4, December 1993, pp. 45-46
Dan. 7:20 ...the horn which had eyes and a mouth that spoke great things, and which seemed greater than its fellows.7. Japan – economic power
8. Brazil – regional representative for S. America
9. Nigeria – regional representative for Africa
10. India – regional representative for the Near East
* “The Road To Reform: Towards A New Clarity,” U.N. Chronicle, UMI, Vol. 30, Issue 4, December 1993, pp. 45-46
Here we find that ALL eleven horns are similar, which is to suggest that they are all "little" horns, of which Dan. 8 cites one of the "little" horns, which is simply one of the ten.
But to understand the three catagories, one must understand history:
The Babylonian Empire was the first to employ the Metropolis model, which regulates trade, builds roads, builds Libraries, and even built an Amusement Park -- the Hanging Gardens, one of the Seven Wonders of the World.
This Babylonian Metropolis model as represented by the Image of Metals (Mystery Babylon) is the Great Horn; the four successive empires (Silver, Bronze, Iron, and Clay) are what could be called Regular Horns; and the end time U.N. affiliations are the Ten Little Horns, with the U.N. being the Eleventh Little Horn.
It's really pretty simple and straight forward when you think about it.
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I see your point but the little horn in Daniel 7 and Daniel 8, both these little horns arise on different beasts. They obviously represent different nations or perhaps arise at different times.
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