Hidden Treasure parable.

Bible Highlighter · Dec 30, 2018

icxn said:
Christ, in whom all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are hidden (Colossians 2:3), is ultimately the treasure hidden (or planted), in the field of our heart through faith (Ephesians 3:17). We find it, or rather Him, through the study of the scriptures, when we seek God in prayer and in many other ways as there are commandments. We actually buy this field, that is to say, we finally own our heart and Christ who dwells in it, when we uproot from it all the passions and distractions for material concerns (the selling of all that we have), as if thorns and thistles.

I like this one, too.

7 “But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;
10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
(2 Corinthians 4:7-10).

So yes; The treasure is Jesus (indeed).

W2L · Dec 30, 2018

devin553344 said:
Well let me ask a question, what would happen to you in this day and age if you sold all that you owned and gave to the poor? The police often arrest homeless people in my area just for trespassing in the middle of the night in the city areas. I was homeless once and got arrested for taking refuge under a business eve that wasn't far from the street sidewalk when it was snowing and I was freezing cold. I do thank God that those days are over.

But I remember a guy some years back in the city center that carried a large Jesus sized wooden cross and yelled gospel preaching as he walked up and down the sidewalk near the court house. I was feeling more like "OK that guy is just weird and taking it too far".

The cross carrying guy had little to no effect on my eventual conversion to Christianity.

But then our current society is nothing like the killings of Jesus time in the city centers. Thieves on the cross and such things, stoning adulterers to death etc. Maybe the guy that carried his cross up the city center would end up a martyr in Jesus' time as they might have put him to death

I think some people take religion too far and end up looking crazy for it maybe. Sorry BTW if I'm raining on anyone's parade.

I just take care of the less fortunate when I can. I have a couple people I help like that. And I think that's the general message of that scripture

Thank you.

W2L · Dec 30, 2018

martymonster said:
Mat 13:52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.

In this parable, Christ is talking about the teachings of the old testament and the new testament. Consequently, the treasure is also Christ, being that Christ is the word of God. I've seen people argue about the word of God either being, the Bible, or Christ, but actually, it's both. Also, just because you have riches, doesn't mean that they are good riches. There a plenty of examples of riches being used negatively, in scripture.

Jas 5:1 Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.
Jas 5:2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.
Jas 5:3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.
Jas 5:4 Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.
Jas 5:5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.
Jas 5:6 Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.

In this context, it's clearly talking about doctrine that is contrary to the teaching of Christ. A lot of people have what they believe to be the truths of God, when in reality, all they have, are the teachings of men. Imagine thinking that you have a lot of knowledge of God, only one day find out, that you don't know a thing. You though you were rich, but really, you are dirt poor, and desperately in debt.

Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

Thanks for the reply.

martymonster · Dec 30, 2018

W2L said:
Thanks for the reply.

No worries! I hope that offers some insight, even if it doesn't answer the question directly.

W2L · Dec 31, 2018

martymonster said:
No worries! I hope that offers some insight, even if it doesn't answer the question directly.

Nice talking to you, thanks again.

WilliamBo · Dec 31, 2018

I'm glad you made this thread.

The parable means this:

The treasure is living for God/Jesus Christ. When the man finds Christ, he realizes that living for Christ is soooooooooooo much better than everything else in this world, so he sells everything he owns (material possessions, worldly desires and lusts, selfish ambition, etc) so he can have Christ and the Kingdom of Heaven.

This is, and always has been, my favorite parable. If you notice, its the shortest of all the parables. It says so much in just a few words.

corinth77777 · Dec 31, 2018

W2L said:
What is your interpretation of this parable? Its taught alongside the parable of the sower. I wonder if this parable refers to the good soil, i.e without the thorns (thorns refer to thew deceitfulness of wealth) Also, does this parable refer to Jesus teaching about selling everything we own and following Him?

Matthew 13:44 “The kingdom of heaven is like a treasure hidden in the field, which a man found and hid again; and from joy over it he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field.

Sounds like conversion

dougangel · Dec 31, 2018

JackRT said:
I find this saying very problematic and troubling. The man was snooping around on property that did not belong to him. After finding the treasure he conceals it and to cap it off he buys the field without disclosing his knowledge of the treasure. The treasure rightfully belongs to the original owner of the field whether he knows it or not. By acting in this way he has defrauded the owner.

Wow. I think your way over thinking that.
It's a metaphor.
the treasure is the spiritual realm.
When you find the spiritual realm in life you should go to a great deal of trouble to acquire it.
So it's not really about a material piece of treasure in a field lol.

Hazelelponi · Dec 31, 2018

JackRT said:
I would understand the meaning completely if there was not fraud involved. Fraud is a detail that cannot be ignored --- it is not superfluous.

The man was legally (if not morally) obtaining the land through a legal purchase.

So you must ask yourself, while it was perfectly legal for Christ to pay the debt for your sin on the cross, and make a path for your reconciliation to God, was it exactly moral?

do you feel particularly moral when an innocent man died in your stead for crimes you committed?

Christ taking my place is a HUGE thing; not entirely moral for me to allow an innocent man to sacrifice his life that I may live, but its definitely legal.

I find the parable quite relevant. We all defrauded Christ for legal gain..

W2L · Dec 31, 2018

WilliamBo said:
I'm glad you made this thread.

The parable means this:

The treasure is living for God/Jesus Christ. When the man finds Christ, he realizes that living for Christ is soooooooooooo much better than everything else in this world, so he sells everything he owns (material possessions, worldly desires and lusts, selfish ambition, etc) so he can have Christ and the Kingdom of Heaven.

This is, and always has been, my favorite parable. If you notice its also the shortest of all the parables.

Thank you.

W2L · Dec 31, 2018

corinth77777 said:
Sounds like conversion

Thanks for the reply.

timothyu · Dec 31, 2018

W2L said:
What is your interpretation of this parable? Its taught alongside the parable of the sower. I wonder if this parable refers to the good soil, i.e without the thorns (thorns refer to thew deceitfulness of wealth) Also, does this parable refer to Jesus teaching about selling everything we own and following Him?

The parable of the sower refers to those who hear the Gospel of the Kingdom and how each reacts to it. Some understand the two opposing wills (man's and God's) and chose one over the other, while some who do so fail to remain loyal to God's will. Others just plain don't get it and often many fall for man's gospel of salvation which is reward without repentance.

When we sell everything we own, we rid ourselves of everything mankind wants us to believe is essential to show our loyalty to the ways of mankind. We no longer play the game, having found true value in the Kingdom (place and government) of God. Blessed are the poor in spirit for in spirit they no longer value the material. Yet in doing so Jesus said we are not to rebel against the ways of man, just live along side them in peace loving neighbour as self, in effect flying under the radar.

corinth77777 · Dec 31, 2018

timothyu said:
The parable of the sower refers to those who hear the Gospel of the Kingdom and how each reacts to it. Some understand the two opposing wills (man's and God's) and chose one over the other, while some who do so fail to remain loyal to God's will. Others just plain don't get it and often many fall for man's gospel of salvation which is reward without repentance.

When we sell everything we own, we rid ourselves of everything mankind wants us to believe is essential to show our loyalty to the ways of mankind. We no longer play the game, having found true value in the Kingdom (place and government) of God. Blessed are the poor in spirit for in spirit they no longer value the material. Yet in doing so Jesus said we are not to rebel against the ways of man, just live along side them in peace loving neighbour as self, in effect flying under the radar.

Explain why they are poor in spirit?

timothyu · Dec 31, 2018

corinth77777 said:
Explain why they are poor in spirit?

I did. They are no longer rich in the ideals and ways of man, the flesh.

GTW27 · Dec 31, 2018

"Indeed I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For His sake I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as refuse, in order that I may gain Christ and be found in Him"

timothyu · Dec 31, 2018

Or as some might say it, you know and accept what Jesus taught about the Kingdom as an alternative to the traditional ways of mankind you have rejected?

corinth77777 · Dec 31, 2018

timothyu said:
I did. They are no longer rich in the ideals and ways of man, the flesh.

And that makes them poor in spirit...?
Maybe I missed something....what does it mean to be poor in spirit? So if one doesn't
Seek after the flesh their poor in spirit?

timothyu · Dec 31, 2018

If one no longer pursues what man foolishly calls valuable, then they are poorer because they are no longer in the flesh but of the spirit. In this world there is nothing of value. All their treasure is in the Kingdom.

JackRT · Jan 1, 2019

corinth77777 said:
Explain why they are poor in spirit?

I think that the phrase "poor in spirit" refers to those suffering from depression or other mental illnesses.

corinth77777 · Jan 1, 2019

timothyu said:
If one no longer pursues what man foolishly calls valuable, then they are poorer because they are no longer in the flesh but of the spirit. In this world there is nothing of value. All their treasure is in the Kingdom.

I think Willard had another view at hand.
To maybe try to put in my own words....It is because the redemptive power has come over the one poor in Spirit. Another words in the midst of what ever condition they may be in they are blessed.
But of course I'm not sure....tks for clarifying though

Hidden Treasure parable.

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

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