ICE just drops migrants off in El Paso

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Yep, didn't think you could address it. Like I said, all there in black and white. But at least i got your attention long enough to see, I did nothing to deserve your little judgment and to bring on your doubts I was a christian. That'll be all now.
Was that your evidence?
 
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Fair enough. However, none of those make him good at business or qualified to be president.

His multiple bankruptcies and many banks refusing to lend him money suggest he is not good at business.

Financial Times person of the year in 2016 probably wasn't given to him for being bad at business.
 
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Your the one needing evidence, or better yet, actual facts.
The word "your" is a possessive pronoun, while the word "you're" is a contraction of the words "you" and "are". So, I looked through only a few of your other recent posts and very soon discovered you like to argue, what a surprise! A 60-something user of winky faces who likes to argue, and repeatedly mentions how more or less right someone else is compared to him; and while also mentioning if the other person wants to "win" the exchange they will have to provide this or that for the 60-something user of winky faces to concede that his trolling is both ego-based and puerile. Goodbye pretender.
 
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Used to be in my territory when I was an ergonomist. I looked forward to it; much nicer people there than in many larger cities.
It's a lovely town. I shot a man there, just to watch him...oh wait, wrong town, wrong shooting.
 
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Well, normally the best articles are written by the experts...no middle man.

And I don't know where you get the idea that Trump can't get a loan. Donald Trump has had no trouble getting big loans at competitive rates

Still, most major banks won’t lend to him - he has Deutche Bank left and a slew of smaller outfits. Ladder Capital isn’t a bank.
When major firms could no longer stomach the risk, Trump turned to this shadow bank

Financial Times person of the year in 2016 probably wasn't given to him for being bad at business.

Did you read the FT article? He got the award for overtaking the US political system, not his business sense. The article itself is really not that flattering.
“Yet he vowed to be an iconoclastic president in which no rules, institution or even constitutional principle would be sacred...If he meant it, the long-term damage to American democracy could be incalculable.”
“Sometimes, such as in his six bankruptcies, his gut apparently failed him — though he wheedled his way out of those as well. He reportedly used a $916m business loss as a write-off to avoid paying taxes for two decades, a feat he boasted about.”
“It is also hard to discern ideological consistency in Mr Trump’s cabinet choices. Having run an anti-elitist campaign in which Wall Street bankers were held up as parasites, Mr Trump is populating his administration with Goldman Sachs alumni.“
“Having vowed to “drain the swamp” of money politics in Washington, Mr Trump is clearly betting that his voters did not take him literally.”
“Similar traits apply to Vladimir Putin, Russia’s president, who US intelligence agencies believe was covertly assisting Mr Trump’s campaign through leaks and fake news — a claim Mr Trump dismisses.”
“A bigger concern may be a lack of knowledge about the world beyond his business empire.”
“What he knows better than anyone is how to divert public attention.“
“But the methods that served Mr Trump so well on the campaign trail could prove highly destabilising when he is president.“
“Unlike Berzelius “Buzz” Windrip, Sinclair Lewis’s fictional American fascist, Mr Trump has no deep ideology. But he appears to have few scruples about demonising those who get in his way.”
Subscribe to read | Financial Times
 
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ICE, though informed that a shelter would take them, just dropped off asylum seekers off in downtown El Paso with no help or information. Merry Christmas migrants from Donald a Trump.

And if someone broke into your home illegally, would you be morally-bound to give them whatever they needed? I don't see how. And what if they broke into your home in such numbers you couldn't possibly supply for them all even if you wanted to? Only an idiot would feel morally-obliged to put his own home at risk, to impoverish his home, to supply for those who have no legal right to be in it.

We know those in the article were likely illegal immigrants since they were fitted with ankle bracelets and assigned court dates before they were released.
 
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And if someone broke into your home illegally, would you be morally-bound to give them whatever they needed?
Depends on what they needed.
I don't see how.
Don't you read scripture?
And what if they broke into your home in such numbers you couldn't possibly supply for them all even if you wanted to?
They can have what is there.
Only an idiot would feel morally-obliged to put his own home at risk, to impoverish his home, to supply for those who have no legal right to be in it.
Not nice to call Jesus an idiot.
We know those in the article were likely illegal immigrants since they were fitted with ankle bracelets and assigned court dates before they were released.
You can't say they were illegals unless you have proof. They that ask for asylum at ports of entry are not illegals. The ankle bracelet is to try and ensure they return for their hearing.
 
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Depends on what they needed.

Does it? You seem to think nothing ought to be withheld.

Don't you read scripture?

Quite a bit. I see nothing in it that obliges me morally to throw out all defense of my home simply because a person has broken into it and intends to pillage it.

They can have what is there.

And your family? Do your wife and kids take a back seat to the illegal interloper? Are they to suffer so that you can virtue signal? It seems like you would have no problem putting your family in harm's way so that you can claim charitable virtue. Except, of course, in showing "charity" to the illegal interloper you have shown disregard and perhaps even cruelty toward your own kith and kin. Not much virtue in that, I think.

1 Timothy 5:8
8 But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

Not nice to call Jesus an idiot.

Oh, I'm not calling Jesus an idiot. He didn't have a wife and kids and an earthly home to call his own.

You can't say they were illegals unless you have proof. They that ask for asylum at ports of entry are not illegals. The ankle bracelet is to try and ensure they return for their hearing.

Why wouldn't they return for their hearing uncompelled? If they are legitimate asylum seekers, why the need to force them to follow the rules of proper immigration? Very likely because they are not really legitimate asylum seekers but illegal immigrants.
 
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Does it? You seem to think nothing ought to be withheld.
You like to assume with nothing to back up your assumption.
Quite a bit. I see nothing in it that obliges me morally to throw out all defense of my home simply because a person has broken into it and intends to pillage it.
What did Jesus say if someone asks you for a clock?
Luke 6:29-30. To him to strikes you on the one cheek, offer the other also. And from him who takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic either. Give to everyone who asks of you. And from him to takes away your goods do not ask them back.


And your family? Do your wife and kids take a back seat to the illegal interloper?
We can replace material things.
Are they to suffer so that you can virtue signal?
We are to follow God's will, not the world. You must like all of the things you own but they are of this world. Don't lose heaven for material things.
It seems like you would have no problem putting your family in harm's way so that you can claim charitable virtue.
I have faith in God, not man.
Except, of course, in showing "charity" to the illegal interloper you have shown disregard and perhaps even cruelty toward your own kith and kin. Not much virtue in that, I think.

1 Timothy 5:8
8 But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

I thought that you read scripture. If so, you would know that you completely misused that verse. Read more and better.


Oh, I'm not calling Jesus an idiot.
Sure you did.
He didn't have a wife and kids and an earthly home to call his own.
Jesus had sheep which he cared for and he allowed many of those brethren to be killed. The first being Stephen. The only Apostle to die of natural causes was John. They were stoned, thrown off the Temple, beheaded, crucified, etc, but did not defend themselves.
Far worse than what you claim I may do. Maybe you should study scripture far more than you seem to have.
 
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The word "your" is a possessive pronoun, while the word "you're" is a contraction of the words "you" and "are". So, I looked through only a few of your other recent posts and very soon discovered you like to argue, what a surprise! A 60-something user of winky faces who likes to argue, and repeatedly mentions how more or less right someone else is compared to him; and while also mentioning if the other person wants to "win" the exchange they will have to provide this or that for the 60-something user of winky faces to concede that his trolling is both ego-based and puerile. Goodbye pretender.

All that mess you just wrote only because you would still rather try to weasel out of something it's clear you did instead of simply admitting you were wrong, but, on top of that, you cannot even see that the arguing you accused me of is not only 50% you, but 100% because of you. Classic blame the victim.

You know, what you did wasn't even that bad, we all make mistakes, and some have enough class to just admit it when we do, and when we do that we often find its not even that painful because others realize they make mistakes as well, and because of that, they often don't even require an apology, it's simply a big nothing if handled right, but what your doing now...that's not handling it right at all.

Too painful to watch you do this to yourself anymore, so once again, that'll be all.
 
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You like to assume with nothing to back up your assumption.

I assumed nothing. Note my use of the word "seem."

What did Jesus say if someone asks you for a clock?

Luke 6:29-30. To him to strikes you on the one cheek, offer the other also. And from him who takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic either. Give to everyone who asks of you. And from him to takes away your goods do not ask them back.

Yes, well, you are taking a very shallow view of this verse for one who is quick to criticize others of doing so. A bit...hypocritical, I think.

This verse is part of a long series of instructions and commands Christ gave to his disciples who were the first and primary representatives of Christ and the Christian faith to the world. As such, they bore unique burdens that no other believers have borne - one of which was to present a peaceful response to the fierce persecution they would face as Christ's first emissaries and establishers of the Early Church. Christ's disciples were not to rise up in political revolt against the Romans, or foment social chaos by urging slaves to throw off their masters, but to set an example of peaceableness that would preserve the Church from even more aggressive persecution. Christ's words, then, to his disciples in the passage you cite were not and are not prescriptive for all believer in all times and circumstances.

We can replace material things.

Did I say that material things could not be replaced? No, I asked you why you would put the interests of one who had broken into your home illegally before the interests of your family.

We are to follow God's will, not the world. You must like all of the things you own but they are of this world. Don't lose heaven for material things.

Of course I like the things I own. I would not own them if I did not. God's will entails you protecting and supplying for your family. How do you do that, exactly, while allowing strangers to break into your home and rob you?

I have faith in God, not man.

This is a facile and deflective response. It is one thing to trust God in circumstances over which you have no control, but quite another to purposely act such that God must make up by divine supply for your carelessness and foolish presumption upon His power.

I thought that you read scripture. If so, you would know that you completely misused that verse. Read more and better.

This is a response that says nothing, really. Why don't you show how I "misused the verse" instead of just asserting that I did. And "Read more and better" has all the argumentative value of "Says you!"

Sure you did.

No, I didn't.

Jesus had sheep which he cared for and he allowed many of those brethren to be killed.

You're kidding, right? Those "sheep" were not defenseless children living in his home, under his direct protection and supply. And Christ's prime interest was the eternal, heavenly destination of his "sheep," not their temporal circumstances. The members of God's family chose their membership in it while a child does not choose the family into which s/he is born. You see, then, that there are some important fundamental differences between circumstances that you're illegitimately trying to make parallel.

Maybe you should study scripture far more than you seem to have.

Right back at you, Yarddog.
 
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You can't say they were illegals unless you have proof. They that ask for asylum at ports of entry are not illegals. The ankle bracelet is to try and ensure they return for their hearing.
Read other articles on the same subject. They are illegals and they didn't have any room left for them so they banded them and let them go until their hearing. These illegals did break into your country. If you do feel that you should give them what they want, the shelters are desperate for money since they have been averaging 200 illegals a day since October. When I get home from work I can find that article and post the address if you want it.
 
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Maybe a humane and just process rather than this dehumanizing view of "them".
This!

We don't pick where we are born; it isn't something to feel superior about and have an ego as if we are somehow better than these people who are desperate. I have seen the poverty in Mexico. I can safely say I would scrub toilets or pick strawberries, which is backbreaking labor with little pay, in a foreign country if it meant a better life for my kids. To be so glib about this situation is truly stunning to me and not Christlike. I am in no way for an open border but I am for the abolishment of slave wages (car factories in Mexico, cell phones being made in China for abhorrent wages, unsafe factories in Bangladesh, migrant workers and child labor here in the states, chocolate and child labor abroad all for OUR benefit here in the States and other 1st world countries just to name a few) and holding the CEOs accountable who entice people over the border with a promise of a better life. God have mercy on this country!
 
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What does Christmas have to do with anything? Are we supposed to throw them a party and give them gifts?
Doing nice things for people on Christmas, is actually a great idea.
Maybe you and your Christian friends should plan exactly what you said for asylum seekers.
 
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Doing nice things for people on Christmas, is actually a great idea.
Maybe you and your Christian friends should plan exactly what you said for asylum seekers.

Here's a thought: maybe they should also think about helping the half a million or so Americans that are homeless.
 
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ICE Quietly Drops 200 Asylum Seekers at El Paso Bus Station With No Money or Shelter Right Before Christmas

ICE, though informed that a shelter would take them, just dropped off asylum seekers off in downtown El Paso with no help or information. Merry Christmas migrants from Donald a Trump.
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ICE Quietly Drops 200 Asylum Seekers at El Paso Bus Station With No Money or Shelter Right Before Christmas

ICE, though informed that a shelter would take them, just dropped off asylum seekers off in downtown El Paso with no help or information. Merry Christmas migrants from Donald a Trump.

I have read that ICE was seriously hindered by the govt shutdown. I don't foresee ICE making any high-profile arrests or doing even their the routine duties during this period.
 
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