Rev 11- 1st 3.5 years of Final 7 not a time of peace, after all?

tranquil said:

imo, you have this entirely backward. The beast from the sea will confirm the covenant at the end of 7 years (see Deuteronomy 31:10) (May 14, 2025: the 77th anniversary of Jerusalem's desolations), & the beast from the earth (False Prophet) will confirm it on Sukkot/ Feast of Booths/ Tabernacles (Oct 8, 2025), but this will be simultaneous with the outpouring of God's wrath/ 7 bowls of wrath (which starts at the 'city'/ Jerusalem forcing the woman to live in a sukkah/ tent for Sukkot).

Psalm 68:21-

21But God will strike the heads of his enemies,
the hairy crown of him who walks in his guilty ways.
22The Lord said,
“I will bring them back from Bashan,
I will bring them back from the depths of the sea,
23that you may strike your feet in their blood,
that the tongues of your dogs may have their portion from the foe.”

24Your procession is seen, O God,
the procession of my God, my King, into the sanctuary—
25the singers in front, the musicians last,
between them virgins playing tambourines:
26“Bless God in the great congregation,
the Lord, O youe who are of Israel’s fountain!”
27There is Benjamin, the least of them, in the lead,
the princes of Judah in their throng,
the princes of Zebulun, the princes of Naphtali.
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Deuteronomy 31:10

And Moses commanded them, “At the end of every seven years, at the set time in the year of release, at the Feast of Booths, 11when all Israel comes to appear before the Lord your God at the place that he will choose, you shall read this law before all Israel in their hearing. 12Assemble the people, men, women, and little ones, and the sojourner within your towns, that they may hear and learn to fear the Lord your God, and be careful to do all the words of this law, 13and that their children, who have not known it, may hear and learn to fear the Lord your God, as long as you live in the land that you are going over the Jordan to possess.”​

Deuteronomy 16:13

“You shall keep the Feast of Booths seven days, when you have gathered in the produce from your threshing floor and your winepress.
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This Deuteronomy 16:13 verse is describing Revelation 14 (and the False Prophet is imitating it.)

Revelation 14

14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and seated on the cloud one like a son of man, with a golden crown on his head, and a sharp sickle in his hand. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, calling with a loud voice to him who sat on the cloud, “Put in your sickle, and reap, for the hour to reap has come, for the harvest of the earth is fully ripe.” 16 So he who sat on the cloud swung his sickle across the earth, and the earth was reaped.

17 Then another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. 18 And another angel came out from the altar, the angel who has authority over the fire, and he called with a loud voice to the one who had the sharp sickle, “Put in your sickle and gather the clusters from the vine of the earth, for its grapes are ripe.” 19 So the angel swung his sickle across the earth and gathered the grape harvest of the earth and threw it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. 20 And the winepress was trodden outside the city, and blood flowed from the winepress, as high as a horse's bridle, for 1,600 stadia.
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On Sukkot/ Feast of Tabernacles is when the woman, the 'city' is burned by the 11th horn in Revelation 17 and she is forced into the wilderness: the Revelation 12 woman is pursued by the dragon at May 14, 2025 and then woman is forced into the wilderness when she is burned on Sukkot/ Feast of Tabernacles (she is thusly forced to live in a tent/ sukkah/ tabernacle in the wilderness) (this seems to be the meaning of this Feast day).

We know that the 7 bowls of wrath goes out on Sukkot/ Feast of Tabernacles also from Zechariah 14:18-19.

Roughly:
the 2nd woe:
the 2 witnesses 1260 days start on a 24 Kislev (Haggai 2:18) (signs indicate this is dusk Nov 27, 2021, then go forward 1260 days to May 10, 2025, then 3.5 days (Revelation 11:9) to May 14, 2025 which is when the 'holy place' is anointed at Daniel 9:24 - the 70 '7' translates as '77'th anniversary',

then the 7th Trumpet kicks Satan out of 'heaven' and starts the beast from the sea. (God is bringing up the enemies so as to be destroyed as per Psalm 68:22 above. - which means that the 'antichrist & false prophet' are imitating the 3.5 days of laying dead of the real 2 witnesses, on the same exact days.)

Matt 24

15“So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),

[Daniel tells us when the holy place is anointed: on the 70th week from the 70th anniversary & also at the 77th anniversary (May 14, 2025)​

16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, 18and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. 19And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days!

20Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. 21For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.

the 1st great tribulation in the 3rd Temple is Dec 21, 2020 and is cut short at Feb 4, 2021.
2nd woe/ 2 witnesses starts at a 24 Kislev (Zerubabbel & Joshua) (dusk Nov 27, 2021 through May 10, 2025), then dead for 3.5 days (May 10-14, 2025)
Start 7th Trumpet May 14, 2025, the abomination is in the holy place: Ezekiel's temple now
start 7 bowls of wrath at Sukkot (Oct 8, 2025), the woman / Revelation 17, 12 woman is burned on Sukkot & thus is living in a sukkah/ tent / tabernacle.
the 2nd great tribulation is the 7th Bowl of wrath on 24 Kislev's 'great earthquake' (Haggai 2:18-23​

22And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.

the beast from the sea comes up at May 14, 2025 and is given 42 months to continue at Sukkot 5 months later. This is cut short because the abomination occurs here and are destroyed starting at the upcoming 'winter' 24 Kislev (dusk Dec 13, 2025/ 7th bowl of wrath

the beast is destroyed early (it should have had until Nov 27, 2028), but the woman is still in the wilderness for the allotted 1260 days.​

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Douggg is right, the covenant is confirmed at the BEGINNING...maybe a 7 year agreement. But the Beast will break that agreement at the midpoint of the 7 years.

Douggg said:

The 2300 day time frame begins on day 220 - which day 220, imo, is when the daily sacrifices resume (from being stopped when the second temple was destroyed in 70 AD).

Day 220 is about 7 months into the 7 years. The sacrifices go on for about three years.

So once the sacrifices start this time around, some undeterminable time passes till it gets to the middle part of the week (not exact middle day)... that the person, being the King of Israel (illegitimate, and huge mistake by Israel to think of him as their messiah) stops the daily sacrifice, right before going into the temple sitting, claiming to be God (the transgression of desolation). Which will not only get the person impeached, but also mortally wounded.

The 2300 day time frame ends on the Day Jesus returns, descends down to this earth, and his feet stands on the Mount olives.

Julian, if you go down near the bottom of my chart, you will see the spacing between the transgression of desolation and the abomination of desolation.

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There is no 220 days found anywhere in Revelation.
There is no 7 months anywhere in Revelation.

The new temple gets built and the daily sacrifices begin - we don't know when - but probably before or at the start of the 7 years. The daily sacrifices just may be a part of the covenant that is confirmed.

AT the exact midpoint - day 1260 - the man of sin will enter the temple and declare he is god - supposedly the God of Israel. His entering the temple will pollute it - so the daily sacrifices will cease. There will be NO TIME to cleanse the temple until after the Beast is taken by Jesus upon His return.

Many people imagine the Beast as a man gets wounded - but that is what what is written: the Beast as a KINGDOM will have seven heads - and it is one of these heads that is mortally wounded and the king put to death. This perhaps could be Iraq under its king: Saddam. Iraq was wounded to death and so was its king. Therefore, it will not be the MAN that received a deadly wound. It will be one of heads - a nation with a king.

Readers, FORGET the 2300 days in relation to Revelation: it is about Antiochus, NOT the Beast of Revelation.

Julian King said:

Do you have the Beast's 42 months of authority beginning on Day 1260?

And if so, do you have them ending when the Beast is cast into the lake of fire on the day of the battle of Armageddon?

If so, then that would mean that the Battle of Armageddon will occur on Day 2520, which since Jesus is victorious in that battle would surely mean that He returns to earth either on or before Day 2520.

Also, it's possible that Zechariah 14 is speaking of the Battle of Armageddon, and if it is, then I think by telling us in verse 9 that "the Lord will become king of the earth on the day", it could be telling us that Jesus Millennial reign will begin when the Battle finishes, which since the chapter often speaks of the "day of the battle", and since verse 7 tells us that it will be "continuous day", it's possible that the battle will be over in a day, which would mean that Jesus' Millennial reign will also begin on Day 2520.

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Sorry, but it is a myth that Jesus returns on day 2520. Why not just believe John? The events of chapters 17 & 18 come between the end of the week (the 7th vial) and Jesus coming at the end of chapter 19. Then there will be the marriage and feast between the two events also. Just a wild guess? Jesus may return 30 days after the week ends. He is not going to show up on day 2520, else all would KNOW when He comes.

Douggg said:

None of the events revealed by the seals having been opened by Jesus have taken place yet. The first seal is the rider on the white horse given a crown, the person anointed as the King of Israel to become the Antichrist.

John called up to heaven was not a vision, it was an actual out of body experience. Daniel in Daniel 7 had a night vision, a dream. That was a vision.

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The moment John arrived in heaven, He was seeing a VISION. And contrary to what you think, seals 1 through 5 were opened in 32 AD and the events took place as soon as the seal was opened.

iamlamad said:

The moment John arrived in heaven, He was seeing a VISION. And contrary to what you think, seals 1 through 5 were opened in 32 AD and the events took place as soon as the seal was opened.

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The seals being opened were not a vision. John was there in heaven. Opening the seals allowed to see what was in the book. Opening the seals did not enact any event.

1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

iamlamad said:

There is no 220 days found anywhere in Revelation.
There is no 7 months anywhere in Revelation.

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Comes from Daniel 8, the 2300 days. The beginning of the 7 years from Daniel 9:27.

iamlamad said:

The new temple gets built and the daily sacrifices begin - we don't know when - but probably before or at the start of the 7 years. The daily sacrifices just may be a part of the covenant that is confirmed.

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The daily sacrifices are part of the Mt. Sinai covenant, that the Antichrist will confirm.

iamlamad said:

AT the exact midpoint - day 1260 - the man of sin will enter the temple and declare he is god - supposedly the God of Israel. His entering the temple will pollute it - so the daily sacrifices will cease. There will be NO TIME to cleanse the temple until after the Beast is taken by Jesus upon His return.

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What verse(s) are you referring to? I think you need to go to my post #121, #123 in this thread.

iamlamad said:

Many people imagine the Beast as a man gets wounded - but that is what what is written: the Beast as a KINGDOM will have seven heads - and it is one of these heads that is mortally wounded and the king put to death. This perhaps could be Iraq under its king: Saddam. Iraq was wounded to death and so was its king. Therefore, it will not be the MAN that received a deadly wound. It will be one of heads - a nation with a king

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In Revelation 17:10 the heads represent seven kings. The have crowns in Revelation 12. That's the metaphor. What you are doing is making the kings into kingdoms - i.e. making a metaphor out a metaphor.... changing the meaning.

Douggg said:

The seals being opened were not a vision. John was there in heaven. Opening the seals allowed to see what was in the book. Opening the seals did not enact any event.

1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

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We KNOW it is a vision because He is seeing a throne room of the past. However, since you have strong preconceptions, you simply do not understand chapters 4 & 5 - which are CRITICAL to understanding the rest of the book.

It is no wonder we disagree on almost everything: I know John is seeing a vision but you imagine John is seeing things take place in real time.

OF COURSE John was in heaven. But that is about all we will agree on. Therefore, no need to continue any further. When or if you ever discover this is a vision, then we can talk.

Douggg said:

Comes from Daniel 8, the 2300 days. The beginning of the 7 years from Daniel 9:27.
The daily sacrifices are part of the Mt. Sinai covenant, that the Antichrist will confirm.
What verse(s) are you referring to? I think you need to go to my post #121, #123 in this thread.


In Revelation 17:10 the heads represent seven kings. The have crowns in Revelation 12. That's the metaphor. What you are doing is making the kings into kingdoms - i.e. making a metaphor out a metaphor.... changing the meaning.

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Exactly: just one more error on your part. The 2300 days was for the temple to be cleansed after what Antiochus did. It has NOTHING to do with our future. However, since you are so sure it does, we will have no common reference to go from, so we are wasting our time. With that said, I want readers to get the truth - so I may continue to reply to some of your posts.

Julian King said:

I agree I don't think the Bible enables us to work out the day that Jesus will return. However, I think it enables us to work out that He will not return after Day 2520, as the following train of deduction shows.

I think it's reasonable to conclude that the Battle of Armageddon will occur on Day 2520, because I think the Bible enables us to work out that the Beast's 42 months of authority will end on Day 2520, and I think it's likely that the Beast being cast into the lake of fire during the Battle of Armageddon is the event that will mark the end of his 42 months of authority. And since Jesus fights in that Battle, it means that He won't return to earth after Day 2520: He must return either on, or before, that day.

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Did you not notice that there is TIME between the 42 months of trampling, 11:1-2, and the 42 months of authority given to the Beast in chapter 13? In other words, all these countdowns have a staggered beginning, and the 42 months of authority begins last. Therefore it will END last, just as John shows us in Revelation, with chapters 17 & 18 coming between the end of the week and Jesus return. There goes your argument - right into the trash.

iamlamad said:

Exactly: just one more error on your part. The 2300 days was for the temple to be cleansed after what Antiochus did. It has NOTHING to do with our future. However, since you are so sure it does, we will have no common reference to go from, so we are wasting our time. With that said, I want readers to get the truth - so I may continue to reply to some of your posts.

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Respond all you want. Antiochus is not the little horn person of Daniel 8.

The vision of the 2300 days and the transgression of desolation is "time of the end". Not in Antiochus's day. 215-164 BC.

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

15 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.

16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
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And just about every futurist commentator regards the covenant to be confirmed in Daniel 9:27 says it is some sort of peace treaty. They get this from Daniel 8:25 of the little horn person.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

They are not right concerning what the covenant is, but the Jews and the world will be drawn into the illusion of they have entered the messianic age of peace and safety. Before the person commits the transgression of desolation. I show this on my chart.

It has nothing to do with the little horn person being Antiochus.

iamlamad said:

We KNOW it is a vision because He is seeing a throne room of the past. However, since you have strong preconceptions, you simply do not understand chapters 4 & 5 - which are CRITICAL to understanding the rest of the book.

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It was not the throne room in John's past, but John's present.

Julian King said:

I agree I don't think the Bible enables us to work out the day that Jesus will return. However, I think it enables us to work out that He will not return after Day 2520, as the following train of deduction shows.

I think it's reasonable to conclude that the Battle of Armageddon will occur on Day 2520, because I think the Bible enables us to work out that the Beast's 42 months of authority will end on Day 2520, and I think it's likely that the Beast being cast into the lake of fire during the Battle of Armageddon is the event that will mark the end of his 42 months of authority. And since Jesus fights in that Battle, it means that He won't return to earth after Day 2520: He must return either on, or before, that day.

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Here is how I know that the idea of all of the events of Revelation fitting into the mythical 'Daniel's 70th week' is incorrect:

Matt 24
15“So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),

Putting aside the fact that 'abomination of desolation' doesn't strictly mean an idol (hence the differentiation between beast from the sea & earth: the 'sea' refers to the abomination as a person standing in the Christian body/ church; the 'earth' refers to the abomination as the living idol in a (living?) temple):

the abomination has to 'stand' in the 'holy place' (moreover, it is spoken of by Daniel).

Where is the 'holy place'? (translated as 'topos hagio' in the Greek Strong's Greek: 5117. τόπος (topos) -- a place & Strong's Greek: 40. ἅγιος (hagios) -- sacred, holy

If you or Dougg or Iamlamad could answer this question, I would be on board with a '70th week'. (there is a '7 year period' but that is only in the context of the 70th year of Jerusalem desolations through the 77th year per Daniel 9:2 & Daniel 9:24/// Alternately, if VP Pence takes over Israel in Oct/ Nov 2021, that would constitute 'breaking the covenant' (Pence 'confirmed' on May 14, 2018 that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel) in the middle of this '7 year covenant').

Dougg & Iamlamad seem to subscribe to the typical notion that there is a 'covenant' and then there is an idol after 1260 days/ middle of 7 years later. But this idea cannot be true within the context of 'all things have to fit in the 7 years'.

Where is the 'holy place'?

Daniel 9:24 says
By the standard model, it takes all of Daniel's '70th week' to get the 'holy place' that will be defiled by the abomination idol! In other words, there has to be another 1260 days past the '70th week' by that reasoning.

Dan 9:24 explains why there is a double meaning to the 7th Trumpet: There is indeed a holy place being anointed (the arrival of the kingdom of heaven) but simultaneously it is being attacked by the presence of the abomination of desolation person & idol that is being 'anointed' also. It is the idol & mark that is the prompts the 7 bowls of wrath that start to go out immediately upon those that worship the idol & take the mark.

When Revelation 13:2 says
2And the beast that I saw was like a leopard; its feet were like a bear’s, and its mouth was like a lion’s mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority.

this is revealing the other meaning of Daniel 12:11's 'abomination of desolation is 'set up' which can actually be translated as: 'detestable thing causing desolation is appointed'
Strong's Hebrew: 8251. שִׁקּוּץ (shiqquts) -- detested thing
Strong's Hebrew: 8074. שָׁמֵם (shamem) -- to be desolated or appalled
Strong's Hebrew: 5414. נָתַן (nathan) -- to give, put, set

in fact, 'set up'/ nathan/ H5414 above is very commonly translated as 'appointed' ie 'given power & a throne' and also relates to Paul's 2 Thessalonians 2:4 man of sin 'sitting' in the temple. That Greek word 'sitting' also means 'appointed'

Strong's Greek: 2523. καθίζω (kathizó) -- to make to sit down, to sit down

Douggg said:

Respond all you want. Antiochus is not the little horn person of Daniel 8.

The vision of the 2300 days and the transgression of desolation is "time of the end". Not in Antiochus's day. 215-164 BC.

12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

15 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.

For further proof, read this chapter in the Amplified Bible.
16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.

17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
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And just about every futurist commentator regards the covenant to be confirmed in Daniel 9:27 says it is some sort of peace treaty. They get this from Daniel 8:25 of the little horn person.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

They are not right concerning what the covenant is, but the Jews and the world will be drawn into the illusion of they have entered the messianic age of peace and safety. Before the person commits the transgression of desolation. I show this on my chart.

It has nothing to do with the little horn person being Antiochus.

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Readers take notice: this is a classic case of pulling a verse out of its context.

Readers note what the angel Gabriel answered after Daniel was seeking for the meaning of what he had seen:

Dan 8
19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.
20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

This can be NO OTHER than Antiochus. End of Story. Douggg is in error.
Verse 17 says "the time of the end" but Gabriel makes it very clear WHAT "end." It is about the end of the Selecus Kingdom and Antiochus. Therefore the 2300 days has NOTHING to do with the 70th week.

tranquil said:

Here is how I know that the idea of all of the events of Revelation fitting into the mythical 'Daniel's 70th week' is incorrect:

Matt 24
15“So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),

Putting aside the fact that 'abomination of desolation' doesn't strictly mean an idol (hence the differentiation between beast from the sea & earth: the 'sea' refers to the abomination as a person standing in the Christian body/ church; the 'earth' refers to the abomination as the living idol in a (living?) temple):

the abomination has to 'stand' in the 'holy place' (moreover, it is spoken of by Daniel).

Where is the 'holy place'? (translated as 'topos hagio' in the Greek Strong's Greek: 5117. τόπος (topos) -- a place & Strong's Greek: 40. ἅγιος (hagios) -- sacred, holy

If you or Dougg or Iamlamad could answer this question, I would be on board with a '70th week'. (there is a '7 year period' but that is only in the context of the 70th year of Jerusalem desolations through the 77th year per Daniel 9:2 & Daniel 9:24/// Alternately, if VP Pence takes over Israel in Oct/ Nov 2021, that would constitute 'breaking the covenant' (Pence 'confirmed' on May 14, 2018 that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel) in the middle of this '7 year covenant').

Dougg & Iamlamad seem to subscribe to the typical notion that there is a 'covenant' and then there is an idol after 1260 days/ middle of 7 years later. But this idea cannot be true within the context of 'all things have to fit in the 7 years'.

Where is the 'holy place'?

Daniel 9:24 says

24“Seventy '7' are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place.
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By the standard model, it takes all of Daniel's '70th week' to get the 'holy place' that will be defiled by the abomination idol! In other words, there has to be another 1260 days past the '70th week' by that reasoning.

Dan 9:24 explains why there is a double meaning to the 7th Trumpet: There is indeed a holy place being anointed (the arrival of the kingdom of heaven) but simultaneously it is being attacked by the presence of the abomination of desolation person & idol that is being 'anointed' also. It is the idol & mark that is the prompts the 7 bowls of wrath that start to go out immediately upon those that worship the idol & take the mark.

When Revelation 13:2 says
2And the beast that I saw was like a leopard; its feet were like a bear’s, and its mouth was like a lion’s mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority.

this is revealing the other meaning of Daniel 12:11's 'abomination of desolation is 'set up' which can actually be translated as: 'detestable thing causing desolation is appointed'
Strong's Hebrew: 8251. שִׁקּוּץ (shiqquts) -- detested thing
Strong's Hebrew: 8074. שָׁמֵם (shamem) -- to be desolated or appalled
Strong's Hebrew: 5414. נָתַן (nathan) -- to give, put, set

in fact, 'set up'/ nathan/ H5414 above is very commonly translated as 'appointed' ie 'given power & a throne' and also relates to Paul's 2 Thessalonians 2:4 man of sin 'sitting' in the temple. That Greek word 'sitting' also means 'appointed'

Strong's Greek: 2523. καθίζω (kathizó) -- to make to sit down, to sit down

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You can doubt a 70th week in our future if you want. Many do. But it is going to happen whether or not you believe it.

What happened when Antiochus entered the most holy place in the temple? It was declared polluted. The daily sacrifices had to stop. It was 2300 days before it could be cleansed and the daily sacrifices began again. Antiochus was a type of the beast of Rev. 13, because the Beast will copy what Antiochus did. The moment the man of sin enters the most holy place in the new Jewish temple, the daily sacrifices must cease. It is very likely he will bring some kind of idol with him and place it there.

Douggg said:

It was not the throne room in John's past, but John's present.

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No, because if it was in John's present - around 95 AD, Jesus would have been seen at the right hand of the Father - where Stephen SAW Him. If it was in 95 AD, Jesus would have been found worthy in the first search John watched - the one that ended in failure. In fact, if it was the throne room of 95 AD, the search for one worthy would have been successful around 60 years before - around 32 AD when Jesus rose from the dead.

If it was the throne room of 95 AD the Holy Spirit would have been sent down and John would not have seen Him there in the throne room - and in chapter 5 John would not have written that Jesus ascended and the Holy Spirit was sent down. All that happened 60 years into the past.

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Readers take notice: this is a classic case of pulling a verse out of its context.

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There is nothing wrong with the context of the verses I gave. The problem is that you don't understand verses 20 thru 23.

Historic to us - verse 20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.

Historic to us - verse 21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

Historic to us - verse 22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.

End times - verse 23 And in the latter time of their kingdom [singular, the kingdom of transgressors, the kingdom of the little horn and the ten kings of Daniel 7], when the transgressors are come to the full [the ten kings of Daniel 7, Revelation 17:17], a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

The kingdom of the little horn and the ten kings is the EU in its final stage. Yellow vest uprising, brexit, backlash to mass muslim immigration, financial problems, these are all factors that will lead to the ten kings form of government for the EU.