Is "Calvinism" Biblical?

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You were asked to give a basis as to why God would save some and not others and yet you could not come up with one. Not being able to give a basis left you in a hole where man would have no idea if he is saved or not. To avoid this theological hole and get out of it, you keep playing the "you don't understand Reformed Theology or the "you're misrepresenting Reformed Theology" when neither are valid.

So in this 'conversation' give us a basis or admit Reformed Theology leaves man in the dark on whether he is saved or not.

There are those goggles again.

I could refer to at least half a dozen posts where I provided the scriptural reason for God's choice. It is your decision whether or not to accept it. But, as I have said repeatedly, if you have a problem with the reasons God himself gives in his Word (for I didn't make them up), then take it up with him.

I have a hard time believing that this is such a hard concept to grasp. The fact that you just keep repeating the same things in response shows not that you can't understand what I am saying, but that you do understand what I am saying, and you merely won't have any of it.

That's your problem, not mine.
 
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I wrote a series of posts that offer scriptural support for "Calvinism." Five of the thirteen posts have been added to the blog, the rest are scheduled to be added over the next two weeks.

I hope you find them useful.

IS CALVINISM BIBLICAL – Feileadh Mor

Yours in The Lord,

jm

My man! I copied all 49 pages of what you posted into MS Word. Great posts, keep up the Lord's good work, this is edifying and helpful to defending these truths we hold so dear. Take heart brother, be of good cheer, the Lord can work in mysterious ways through us and we may be unaware of how or what God may use to effect in us His good and perfect will. Sincerely in Christ, ay

P.S. sorry I have not been more talkative, metaphorically life be kickin' me in all sorts of directions, love, marriage and changing poopy pants, you know the stinky drills. There is light at the end of the tunnel, boy starts school in about a month! I'm so excited! And sad all at the same time...sigh.
 
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My man! I copied all 49 pages of what you posted into MS Word. Great posts, keep up the Lord's good work, this is edifying and helpful to defending these truths we hold so dear. Take heart brother, be of good cheer, the Lord can work in mysterious ways through us and we may be unaware of how or what God may use to effect in us His good and perfect will. Sincerely in Christ, ay

P.S. sorry I have not been more talkative, metaphorically life be kickin' me in all sorts of directions, love, marriage and changing poopy pants, you know the stinky drills. There is light at the end of the tunnel, boy starts school in about a month! I'm so excited! And sad all at the same time...sigh.

Thank you AW. Forgive my many errors, that was an attempt and a feeble one at that. I will pray for you and your family brother knowing that the God of all will hear and attend accordingly.

Yours in the Lord,

jm
 
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I've decided Calvinism is too complicated.

Reality is complicated, it is multi-layered. Look at the human body for example. One can understand it from just looking on the outside, but on the inside, things get really complicated, and with microscopic technology, things get even more complicated. Please do not take offense, because this is not meant to be, God the Creator the universe, is no simpleton. Now us, yeah sometimes we might have to back off and take a breather and just relax and take things in, simply trust and rest in the Lord. Maybe look at spiritual truth and growing in a manner similar to how children are educated, in how as they grow older and learn more, the more complicated the same truths are revealed. Reading and vocabulary levels is a way of looking at reality and truth. Much can be known at the earliest levels of reading and vocabulary, and God knows our limitations the varying individual extent of them. God bless.
 
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not offended,
i converted to Christ, God is Merciful, no problem with Christ.
but in trying to understand Calvinism (i have been attending a Reformed church so wish to understand Calvinism to evaluate whether to stay there) one must make so many leaps in Scripture to accomodate what to me seem quite odd interpretations. i am surprised Scripture is not just taken as it is read in context, but instead stretched and twisted which of course bothers me.
i hope this does not offend as it is truely just an observation from someone coming into a Calvinist church and being surprised that this is done.
i do not feel the need to convert to Calvin, as i have already converted to Christ and found peace, but i am here to try and understand where this different belief system is coming from.
 
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My life experiences made me a Calvinist. I am still learning about it. Romans 8 was the kicker for me.

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified
. - Romans 8:29-30
 
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I wrote a series of posts that offer scriptural support for "Calvinism." Five of the thirteen posts have been added to the blog, the rest are scheduled to be added over the next two weeks.

I hope you find them useful.

IS CALVINISM BIBLICAL | Feileadh Mor

Yours in The Lord,

jm

“Calvinistic Baptists” are Semi-Calvinists:


Since the original Calvinists practiced infant baptism in place of circumcision (doctrine of the Judaisers), and claimed to get children into the Church through infant baptism, and drowned Anabaptists, no true "Baptist" can be a true "Calvinist". They would have to be a "semi-Calvinist" at best. The 1689 London Baptists attempted to correct the Westminster Confession of Faith's errors regarding baptism, but ignored many of the other errors in the document. Anybody who fails to discuss the baptism of the Holy Spirit, has failed to discuss the most important aspect of baptism. The most important thing about the word "baptism" in the New Testament has nothing to do with water. See Luke 3:16, and John 3:1-16, and 1 Corinthians 3:16, and Ephesians 1:13, and 1 John 2:27. The power to overcome sin is found in the Spirit, instead of in the water. Watch the YouTube video "New Covenant Baptism, 3:16". Any "Baptist" who claims to be a "Calvinist" has attempted to trim rotten fruit, without looking at the core where the seeds are located.



John Calvin: Infant Baptism
by Rev. Bryn MacPhail

https://www.reformedtheology.ca/baptism.html


John Calvin’s defense of infant baptism in his own words.

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“Calvinistic Baptists” are Semi-Calvinists:


Read Spurgeon much? Obviously not or you would not make such a spurious claim.

Since the original Calvinists practiced infant baptism in place of circumcision (doctrine of the Judaisers),

First of all, the name "Calvinist" originates from the Lutherans and used as in insult, another way of calling those taught by and in basic agreement with essentially all of the Reformers except Luther. Presbyterians find their heritage in the Reformers and the Reformers, along with Catholics and Lutherans practiced infant baptism. It should also be noted, the role of what is called covenant theology and the progressive nature of the covenants, such that infant baptism is to the New Covenant as to what infant circumcision was to the Old Testament.

and claimed to get children into the Church through infant baptism,

What a poor way of framing the position, maybe try reading the Belgic Confession (1561) on Baptism:

Article 34: Of Holy Baptism
We believe and confess that Jesus Christ, who is the end of the law (Rom 10:4), hath made an end, by the shedding of his blood, of all other sheddings of blood which men could or would make as a propitiation or satisfaction for sin; and that he, having abolished circumcision, which was done with blood, hath instituted the Sacrament of Baptism instead thereof (Col 2:11; 1 Pet 3:21; 1 Cor 10:2), by which we are received into the Church of God, and separated from all other people and strange religions, that we may wholly belong to him (Exod 12:48†; 1 Pet 2:9†) whose ensign and banner we bear, and which serves as a testimony unto us that he will forever be our gracious God and Father. Therefore he has commanded all those who are his to be baptized with pure water, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost(Matt 28:19): thereby signifying to us, that as water washeth away the filth of the body, when poured upon it, and is seen on the body of the baptized, when sprinkled upon him, so doth the blood of Christ, by the power of the Holy Ghost internally sprinkle the soul (Matt 3:11†; 1 Cor 12:13†), cleanse it from its sins, and regenerate us from children of wrath unto children of God (Acts 22:16†; 1 Cor 6:11; Tit 3:5; Heb 9:14; 1 John 1:7; Rev 1:5b). Not that this is effected by the external water (1 Pet 3:21†), but by the sprinkling of the precious blood of the Son of God (John 19:34; Rom 6:3†; 1 Pet 1:2†; 2:24†); who is our Red Sea, through which we must pass (Exod 14:16†; 1 Cor 10:1-4†) to escape the tyranny of Pharaoh, that is, the devil, and to enter into the spiritual land of Canaan. Therefore, the Ministers, on their part, administer the Sacrament, and that which is visible (Matt 3:11; 1 Cor 3:5, 7; Rom 6:3), but our Lord giveth that which is signified by the Sacrament, namely, the gifts and invisible grace; washing, cleansing, and purging our souls of all filth and unrighteousness (1 Cor 6:11†; Eph 5:26; Acts 22:16; 1 Pet 3:21); renewing our hearts and filling them with all comfort; giving unto us a true assurance of his fatherly goodness; putting on us the new man, and putting off the old man with all his deeds (Rom 6:4†; Gal 3:27; 1 Cor 12:13; Eph 4:22-24).

Therefore, we believe that every man who is earnestly studious of obtaining eternal life ought to be but once baptized with this only Baptism, without ever repeating the same (Mark 16:16 [TR]; Matt 28:19; Eph 4:5; Heb 6:2): since we can not be born twice. Neither doth this Baptism only avail us at the time when the water is poured upon us and received by us, but also through the whole course of our life (Acts 2:38; 8:16). Therefore we detest the error of the Anabaptists, who are not content with the one only baptism they have once received, and moreover condemn the baptism of the infants [French: des petits enfants] of believers, who, we believe, ought to be baptized and sealed with the sign of the covenant (Matt 19:14; 1 Cor 7:14), as the children [French: les petits enfants] in Israel formerly were circumcised (Gen 17:11-12) upon the same promises which are made unto our children. And, indeed, Christ shed his blood no less for the washing the children [French: les petits enfants] of the faithful than for adult persons (Col 2:11-12); and, therefore, they ought to receive the sign and sacrament of that which Christ hath done for them; as the Lord commanded in the law, that they should be made partakers of the sacrament of Christ’s suffering and death shortly after they were born, by offering for them a lamb, which was a sacrament of Jesus Christ (Exod 13:13†; 34:20†; John 1:29; Lev 12:6). Moreover, what Circumcision was to the Jews, that Baptism is to our children [French: nos enfants]. And for this reason Paul calls Baptism the Circumcision of Christ(Col 2:11).


and drowned Anabaptists,

Never make such a claim without evidence, solid evidence. Names and trusted source of information, or I chalk it up as false accusation from someone with a clear agenda to divide and cause contention among other things.

no true "Baptist" can be a true "Calvinist". They would have to be a "semi-Calvinist" at best. The 1689 London Baptists attempted to correct


First of all, the essentials of what is called "Calvinism" is the doctrines of Grace, read about the Synod of Dort and their formal response to the Remonstrance. Calvinism is not defined by Covenant Theology or the doctrine of baptism concerning infants, obviously not, Catholic and Lutherans (Anglicans?) also baptized infants, and obviously they're not Calvinists, which I understand is hurtful to the argument you're attempting to get across, without success I might add.

the Westminster Confession of Faith's errors regarding baptism,

Rather than making claims without evidence, perhaps you could point out what are errors in your opinion, here I will make it easy for you, from The Westminster Confession of Faith (1643-49):

Chapter XXVIII: Of Baptism

1. Baptism is a sacrament of the new testament, ordained by Jesus Christ (Matt 28:19; Mark 16:16†[TR]), not only for the solemn admission of the party baptized into the visible church (1 Cor 12:13; Gal 3:27-28†); but also, to be unto him a sign and seal of the covenant of grace (Rom 4:11; Col 2:11-12), or his ingrafting into Christ (Gal 3:27; Rom 6:5), of regeneration (John 3:5†; Tit 3:5), of remission of sins (Mark 1:4; Acts 2:38†; 22:16†), and of his giving up unto God, through Jesus Christ, to walk in newness of life (Rom 6:3-4). Which sacrament is, by Christ’s own appointment, to be continued in his church until the end of the world (Matt 28:19-20).

2. The outward element to be used in this sacrament is water, wherewith the party is to be baptized, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, by a minister of the gospel, lawfully called thereunto (Matt 3:11; John 1:33; Acts 10:47†; 8:36, 38†; Matt 28:19-20).

3. Dipping of the person into the water is not necessary; but baptism is rightly administered by pouring, or sprinkling water upon the person (Heb 9:10, 19-22; Acts 2:41; 16:33; Mark 7:4; Luke 11:38†).

4. Not only those that do actually profess faith in and obedience unto Christ (Mark 16:15-16 [TR]; Acts 2:41†; 8:12–13†; 8:37–38 [TR]; 16:14–15†), but also the infants of one, or both, believing parents, are to be baptized (Gen 17:7, 9; Gal 3:9, 14; Col 2:11-12; Acts 2:38-39; Rom 4:11-12; 1 Cor 7:14; Matt 19:13†; 28:19; Mark 10:13-16; Luke 18:15; Acts 16:14-15, 33†).

5. Although it be a great sin to contemn or neglect this ordinance (Gen 17:14†; Matt 28:19†; Luke 7:30; Exod 4:24-26; Acts 2:38†), yet grace and salvation are not so inseparably annexed unto it, as that no person can be regenerated, or saved, without it (Rom 4:11; Acts 10:2, 4, 22, 31, 45, 47): or, that all that are baptized are undoubtedly regenerated (Acts 8:13, 23).

6. The efficacy of baptism is not tied to that moment of time wherein it is administered (John 3:5, 8); yet, notwithstanding, by the right use of this ordinance, the grace promised is not only offered, but really exhibited, and conferred, by the Holy Ghost, to such (whether of age or infants) as that grace belongeth unto, according to the counsel of God’s own will, in his appointed time (Rom 6:3-6†; Gal 3:27; Tit 3:5; Eph 5:25-26; 1 Pet 3:21†; Acts 2:38, 41).

7. The Sacrament of baptism is but once to be administered unto any person (Rom 6:3-11†; Tit 3:5).


I recommend reading carefully before responding, this is not one person's interpretation or statement of faith, it is not modern, and as you can see with Scripture references. This Confession is considered authoritative in Presbyterian Churches, and I have not read a creed, confession, statement of faith nearer to Scripture. Maybe you could reveal or share a creed, confession, or statement of faith you consider authoritative that affirms details on Baptism?


but ignored many of the other errors in the document.

LOL now you're really in a pickle, because you claim many errors in both the WCF and LBCF without evidence or an argument.

Anybody who fails to discuss the baptism of the Holy Spirit, has failed to discuss the most important aspect of baptism. The most important thing about the word "baptism" in the New Testament has nothing to do with water. See Luke 3:16, and John 3:1-16, and 1 Corinthians 3:16, and Ephesians 1:13, and 1 John 2:27. The power to overcome sin is found in the Spirit, instead of in the water. Watch the YouTube video "New Covenant Baptism, 3:16". Any "Baptist" who claims to be a "Calvinist" has attempted to trim rotten fruit, without looking at the core where the seeds are located.

Seriously, ever read much about the beliefs of the early American Baptists? History calls them Calvinists, but you would re-write history? Shame on you!

Evidently you missed this part in reading the WCF:

6. The efficacy of baptism is not tied to that moment of time wherein it is administered (John 3:5, 8); yet, notwithstanding, by the right use of this ordinance, the grace promised is not only offered, but really exhibited, and conferred, by the Holy Ghost, to such (whether of age or infants) as that grace belongeth unto, according to the counsel of God’s own will, in his appointed time (Rom 6:3-6†; Gal 3:27; Tit 3:5; Eph 5:25-26; 1 Pet 3:21†; Acts 2:38, 41).

I realize this quote from WCF is not referring to any speaking in tongues kind of baptism in the Spirit, which you will find difficult to support in Church history before the "holiness movement" a step child of the Methodist movement, no doubt motivated by the Wesleyan doctrine of perfection to sanctification...in this life here and now.

The Reformed have always believed in a baptism of the Holy Spirit, it is in that moment of spiritual regeneration we call monergistic regeneration, or the new birth or born again experience. This is the work of God alone, and He accomplishes this supernatural work by the Holy Spirit. I suspect this why we read: "yet grace and salvation are not so inseparably annexed unto it, as that no person can be regenerated, or saved, without it (Rom 4:11; Acts 10:2, 4, 22, 31, 45, 47): or, that all that are baptized are undoubtedly regenerated (Acts 8:13, 23). Against other traditions (Catholic, Orthodox, Lutheran, and "High Church" Anglicans) we do not equivocate water baptism with spiritual regeneration.

Finally, to really put a nail in your argument, Covenant Theology can be traced in the writings of Calvinistic Baptists, such that not only are they Calvinists, but Reformed Baptists. See "1689 Federalism".

 
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I recommend reading carefully before responding, this is not one person's interpretation or statement of faith, it is not modern, and as you can see with Scripture references. This Confession is considered authoritative in Presbyterian Churches, and I have not read a creed, confession, statement of faith nearer to Scripture.

Does the Westminster Confession of Faith always agree with scripture?

Below we find in Sections I. and II. of chapter 19, text stating the law given at Mount Sinai was the same covenant of works given to Adam.
It claims it is commonly called "moral" law.


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Westminster Confession of Faith


Chapter XIX

Of the Law of God



I. God gave to Adam a law, as a covenant of works, by which He bound him and all his posterity, to personal, entire, exact, and perpetual obedience, promised life upon the fulfilling, and threatened death upon the breach of it, and endued him with power and ability to keep it.

II. This law, after his fall, continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness; and, as such, was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai, in ten commandments, and written in two tables: the first four command- ments containing our duty towards God; and the other six, our duty to man.

III. Besides this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a church under age, ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, His graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits; and partly, holding forth divers instructions of moral duties. All which ceremonial laws are now abrogated, under the New Testament.

IV. To them also, as a body politic, He gave sundry judicial laws, which expired together with the State of that people; not obliging under any now, further than the general equity thereof may require.

V. The moral law does forever bind all, as well justified persons as others, to the obedience thereof; and that, not only in regard of the matter contained in it, but also in respect of the authority of God the Creator, who gave it. Neither does Christ, in the Gospel, any way dissolve, but much strengthen this obligation.

VI. Although true believers be not under the law, as a covenant of works, to be thereby justified, or condemned; yet is it of great use to them, as well as to others; in that, as a rule of life informing them of the will of God, and their duty, it directs and binds them to walk accordingly; discovering also the sinful pollutions of their nature, hearts and lives; so as, examining themselves thereby, they may come to further conviction of, humiliation for, and hatred against sin, together with a clearer sight of the need they have of Christ, and the perfection of His obedience. It is likewise of use to the regenerate, to restrain their corruptions, in that it forbids sin: and the threatenings of it serve to show what even their sins deserve; and what afflictions, in this life, they may expect for them, although freed from the curse thereof threatened in the law. The promises of it, in like manner, show them God's approbation of obedience, and what blessings they may expect upon the performance thereof: although not as due to them by the law as a covenant of works. So as, a man's doing good, and refraining from evil, because the law encourages to the one and deters from the other, is no evidence of his being under the law: and not under grace.

VII. Neither are the fore mentioned uses of the law contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but do sweetly comply with it; the Spirit of Christ subduing and enabling the will of man to do that freely, and cheerfully, which the will of God, revealed in the law, requires to be done.

(emphasis by bold text is mine.)

from www.reformed.org/documents

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The claim above that the "moral law" was given to Adam before the fall does not match up with the words of the Apostle Paul in Galatians 3:16-29.
Paul said the law was "added" 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham "until" the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made.

This is confirmed by Exodus 34:28, which says the 10 commandments are the Sinai Covenant, and Deuteronomy 5:1-3, which reveals the Sinai Covenant was not given earlier.

The term "the moral law" is found nowhere in scripture.

Paul never divides the Sinai Covenant into three parts in an attempt to hang onto the 10 commandments.

In 2 Corinthians 3:6-8 the Apostle Paul contrasts "the ministry of death engraved on stones" to the New Covenant of the Spirit.


In Galatians 4:24-31 the Apostle Paul compels the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage".


The writer of Hebrews contrasts the Sinai Covenant (We are not come to the mountain that burns with fire.) to the New Covenant in Hebrews 12:18-24.

There are two different sets of commandments in John 15:10.

We find below that the law of Christ is a higher standard than the Sinai Covenant, not for our salvation, but for our conduct.


Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

The New Covenant is not a "new administration" of the Old Covenant, as often claimed by those promoting Reformed Covenant Theology.

Nowhere in the New Testament are Christians compelled to keep a Sabbath day. This is confirmed by Paul in Colossians 2:16-17.
Paul said the Sabbath day was a "shadow" of Christ.

Christ is our Sabbath rest every day of the week for those in the New Covenant.

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.



Below we find that the New Covenant is not like the Sinai Covenant.


Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
(The New Covenant has made the Old Covenant "obsolete".)


1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.


Those in the New Covenant are not taught by man-made confessions, like the Westminster Confession of Faith.

Those in the New Covenant receive the seal of the "holy Spirit" upon coming to faith when hearing the word, as found in the verse below.


Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,



How do we recognize the Judaisers?

Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:



Those promoting Reformed Covenant Theology have failed to "cast out" the now "obsolete" Sinai Covenant of "bondage". (Galatians 4:24-31)
They are clinging to "the mountain that burns with fire", which is found in Hebrews 12:18.
And therefore, they have failed to fully embrace the New Covenant and the law of Christ. (1 John 3:22-24)
This is one of the reasons modern church buildings contain many lost people, who think they have become a part of the Church through a ceremony involving water.

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Does the Westminster Confession of Faith always agree with scripture?

Below we find in Sections I. and II. of chapter 19, text stating the law given at Mount Sinai was the same covenant of works given to Adam.
It claims it is commonly called "moral" law.


………………………………................................................................................................


Westminster Confession of Faith


Chapter XIX

Of the Law of God



I. God gave to Adam a law, as a covenant of works, by which He bound him and all his posterity, to personal, entire, exact, and perpetual obedience, promised life upon the fulfilling, and threatened death upon the breach of it, and endued him with power and ability to keep it.

II. This law, after his fall, continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness; and, as such, was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai, in ten commandments, and written in two tables: the first four command- ments containing our duty towards God; and the other six, our duty to man.

III. Besides this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a church under age, ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, His graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits; and partly, holding forth divers instructions of moral duties. All which ceremonial laws are now abrogated, under the New Testament.

IV. To them also, as a body politic, He gave sundry judicial laws, which expired together with the State of that people; not obliging under any now, further than the general equity thereof may require.

V. The moral law does forever bind all, as well justified persons as others, to the obedience thereof; and that, not only in regard of the matter contained in it, but also in respect of the authority of God the Creator, who gave it. Neither does Christ, in the Gospel, any way dissolve, but much strengthen this obligation.

VI. Although true believers be not under the law, as a covenant of works, to be thereby justified, or condemned; yet is it of great use to them, as well as to others; in that, as a rule of life informing them of the will of God, and their duty, it directs and binds them to walk accordingly; discovering also the sinful pollutions of their nature, hearts and lives; so as, examining themselves thereby, they may come to further conviction of, humiliation for, and hatred against sin, together with a clearer sight of the need they have of Christ, and the perfection of His obedience. It is likewise of use to the regenerate, to restrain their corruptions, in that it forbids sin: and the threatenings of it serve to show what even their sins deserve; and what afflictions, in this life, they may expect for them, although freed from the curse thereof threatened in the law. The promises of it, in like manner, show them God's approbation of obedience, and what blessings they may expect upon the performance thereof: although not as due to them by the law as a covenant of works. So as, a man's doing good, and refraining from evil, because the law encourages to the one and deters from the other, is no evidence of his being under the law: and not under grace.

VII. Neither are the fore mentioned uses of the law contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but do sweetly comply with it; the Spirit of Christ subduing and enabling the will of man to do that freely, and cheerfully, which the will of God, revealed in the law, requires to be done.

(emphasis by bold text is mine.)

from www.reformed.org/documents

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The claim above that the "moral law" was given to Adam before the fall does not match up with the words of the Apostle Paul in Galatians 3:16-29.
Paul said the law was "added" 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham "until" the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made.

This is confirmed by Exodus 34:28, which says the 10 commandments are the Sinai Covenant, and Deuteronomy 5:1-3, which reveals the Sinai Covenant was not given earlier.

The term "the moral law" is found nowhere in scripture.

Paul never divides the Sinai Covenant into three parts in an attempt to hang onto the 10 commandments.

In 2 Corinthians 3:6-8 the Apostle Paul contrasts "the ministry of death engraved on stones" to the New Covenant of the Spirit.


In Galatians 4:24-31 the Apostle Paul compels the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage".


The writer of Hebrews contrasts the Sinai Covenant (We are not come to the mountain that burns with fire.) to the New Covenant in Hebrews 12:18-24.

There are two different sets of commandments in John 15:10.

We find below that the law of Christ is a higher standard than the Sinai Covenant, not for our salvation, but for our conduct.


Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

The New Covenant is not a "new administration" of the Old Covenant, as often claimed by those promoting Reformed Covenant Theology.

Nowhere in the New Testament are Christians compelled to keep a Sabbath day. This is confirmed by Paul in Colossians 2:16-17.
Paul said the Sabbath day was a "shadow" of Christ.

Christ is our Sabbath rest every day of the week for those in the New Covenant.

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.



Below we find that the New Covenant is not like the Sinai Covenant.


Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
(The New Covenant has made the Old Covenant "obsolete".)


1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.


Those in the New Covenant are not taught by man-made confessions, like the Westminster Confession of Faith.

Those in the New Covenant receive the seal of the "holy Spirit" upon coming to faith when hearing the word, as found in the verse below.


Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,



How do we recognize the Judaisers?

Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:



Those promoting Reformed Covenant Theology have failed to "cast out" the now "obsolete" Sinai Covenant of "bondage". (Galatians 4:24-31)
They are clinging to "the mountain that burns with fire", which is found in Hebrews 12:18.
And therefore, they have failed to fully embrace the New Covenant and the law of Christ. (1 John 3:22-24)
This is one of the reasons modern church buildings contain many lost people, who think they have become a part of the Church through a ceremony involving water.

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Hi BA,

WE disagree and by WE I mean Reformed folks disagree with you. You are purposefully narrowing the definition of Reformed to argue against the continuing validity of the moral Law of God. I get it.

You New Covey types are trying to justify the newness of your position by attacking a well established one.

Some differences exist but the substance of our Reformed Confessions remain the same.

Tabular Comparison of 1646 WCF and 1689 LBCF

Just an FYI the London Baptist Confession of 1689 is included in the Reformation Study Bible. It's a flagship for modern Reformed Christians.

Yours in the Lord,

jm
 
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Does the Westminster Confession of Faith always agree with scripture?

Below we find in Sections I. and II. of chapter 19, text stating the law given at Mount Sinai was the same covenant of works given to Adam.
It claims it is commonly called "moral" law.


………………………………................................................................................................


Westminster Confession of Faith


Chapter XIX

Of the Law of God



I. God gave to Adam a law, as a covenant of works, by which He bound him and all his posterity, to personal, entire, exact, and perpetual obedience, promised life upon the fulfilling, and threatened death upon the breach of it, and endued him with power and ability to keep it.

II. This law, after his fall, continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness; and, as such, was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai, in ten commandments, and written in two tables: the first four command- ments containing our duty towards God; and the other six, our duty to man.

III. Besides this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a church under age, ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, His graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits; and partly, holding forth divers instructions of moral duties. All which ceremonial laws are now abrogated, under the New Testament.

IV. To them also, as a body politic, He gave sundry judicial laws, which expired together with the State of that people; not obliging under any now, further than the general equity thereof may require.

V. The moral law does forever bind all, as well justified persons as others, to the obedience thereof; and that, not only in regard of the matter contained in it, but also in respect of the authority of God the Creator, who gave it. Neither does Christ, in the Gospel, any way dissolve, but much strengthen this obligation.

VI. Although true believers be not under the law, as a covenant of works, to be thereby justified, or condemned; yet is it of great use to them, as well as to others; in that, as a rule of life informing them of the will of God, and their duty, it directs and binds them to walk accordingly; discovering also the sinful pollutions of their nature, hearts and lives; so as, examining themselves thereby, they may come to further conviction of, humiliation for, and hatred against sin, together with a clearer sight of the need they have of Christ, and the perfection of His obedience. It is likewise of use to the regenerate, to restrain their corruptions, in that it forbids sin: and the threatenings of it serve to show what even their sins deserve; and what afflictions, in this life, they may expect for them, although freed from the curse thereof threatened in the law. The promises of it, in like manner, show them God's approbation of obedience, and what blessings they may expect upon the performance thereof: although not as due to them by the law as a covenant of works. So as, a man's doing good, and refraining from evil, because the law encourages to the one and deters from the other, is no evidence of his being under the law: and not under grace.

VII. Neither are the fore mentioned uses of the law contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but do sweetly comply with it; the Spirit of Christ subduing and enabling the will of man to do that freely, and cheerfully, which the will of God, revealed in the law, requires to be done.

(emphasis by bold text is mine.)

from www.reformed.org/documents

……………………………….................................................................................

The claim above that the "moral law" was given to Adam before the fall does not match up with the words of the Apostle Paul in Galatians 3:16-29.
Paul said the law was "added" 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham "until" the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made.

This is confirmed by Exodus 34:28, which says the 10 commandments are the Sinai Covenant, and Deuteronomy 5:1-3, which reveals the Sinai Covenant was not given earlier.

The term "the moral law" is found nowhere in scripture.

Paul never divides the Sinai Covenant into three parts in an attempt to hang onto the 10 commandments.

In 2 Corinthians 3:6-8 the Apostle Paul contrasts "the ministry of death engraved on stones" to the New Covenant of the Spirit.


In Galatians 4:24-31 the Apostle Paul compels the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage".


The writer of Hebrews contrasts the Sinai Covenant (We are not come to the mountain that burns with fire.) to the New Covenant in Hebrews 12:18-24.

There are two different sets of commandments in John 15:10.

We find below that the law of Christ is a higher standard than the Sinai Covenant, not for our salvation, but for our conduct.


Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

The New Covenant is not a "new administration" of the Old Covenant, as often claimed by those promoting Reformed Covenant Theology.

Nowhere in the New Testament are Christians compelled to keep a Sabbath day. This is confirmed by Paul in Colossians 2:16-17.
Paul said the Sabbath day was a "shadow" of Christ.

Christ is our Sabbath rest every day of the week for those in the New Covenant.

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.



Below we find that the New Covenant is not like the Sinai Covenant.


Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
(The New Covenant has made the Old Covenant "obsolete".)


1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.


Those in the New Covenant are not taught by man-made confessions, like the Westminster Confession of Faith.

Those in the New Covenant receive the seal of the "holy Spirit" upon coming to faith when hearing the word, as found in the verse below.


Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,



How do we recognize the Judaisers?

Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:



Those promoting Reformed Covenant Theology have failed to "cast out" the now "obsolete" Sinai Covenant of "bondage". (Galatians 4:24-31)
They are clinging to "the mountain that burns with fire", which is found in Hebrews 12:18.
And therefore, they have failed to fully embrace the New Covenant and the law of Christ. (1 John 3:22-24)
This is one of the reasons modern church buildings contain many lost people, who think they have become a part of the Church through a ceremony involving water.

.

Just an FYI BA:
  • Active promotion of views contrary to the established teachings of the Reformed Confessions are considered off topic. You may debate Reformed and Calvinistic doctrines and talk about other doctrines, but do not promote other doctrines.
What you are trying to do is against the forum rules. You are not discussing the Reformed Calvinistic Confessional understanding of the Law but activity promoting New Covenant theology.

Yours in the Lord,

jm
 
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Does the Westminster Confession of Faith always agree with scripture?

Below we find in Sections I. and II. of chapter 19, text stating the law given at Mount Sinai was the same covenant of works given to Adam.
It claims it is commonly called "moral" law.

Without spending time researching, when God commanded Adam and Eve to not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, including a consequence if they did, it involved a moral law. You see, morality is about "ought" and "ought not", essentially God said to them "you ought not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil", and law involves commands and consequences, which characterize the command to Adam and Eve. So with a little thought about what those words mean and how they apply to the historical narrative in Genesis, we find a moral law, even if informally stated, it is implied.

The time in which the law was given at Mount Sinai has nothing to do with the origins of the law, because what the Mosaic law tells us above all is that God is Holy and we are not, it speaks to the nature of God. Further the law GIVEN to Moses was not an invention of Moses, it has its origin from the mind of God from all eternity! The sovereign Lord of the universe does not make things up as they unfold in history, neither are the covenants plans a and b. The covenant of redemption, the covenant of works and the covenant of grace, have their origins from the mind of God before the foundation of the world!
 
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Without spending time researching, when God commanded Adam and Eve to not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, including a consequence if they did, it involved a moral law. You see, morality is about "ought" and "ought not", essentially God said to them "you ought not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil", and law involves commands and consequences, which characterize the command to Adam and Eve. So with a little thought about what those words mean and how they apply to the historical narrative in Genesis, we find a moral law, even if informally stated, it is implied.

The time in which the law was given at Mount Sinai has nothing to do with the origins of the law, because what the Mosaic law tells us above all is that God is Holy and we are not, it speaks to the nature of God. Further the law GIVEN to Moses was not an invention of Moses, it has its origin from the mind of God from all eternity! The sovereign Lord of the universe does not make things up as they unfold in history, neither are the covenants plans a and b. The covenant of redemption, the covenant of works and the covenant of grace, have their origins from the mind of God before the foundation of the world!

You are attempting to completely ignore the fact that the Westminster Confession of Faith claims the 10 commandments were given to Adam before the fall.
Either the confession makes this claim or it does not.


Adam was given one commandment, which is found in the text below.


Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


Are you saying the Westminster Confession does not claim the 10 commandments were given to Adam before the fall?

Would Adam have understood the following?

Do not commit adultery.
Do not steal.
Honor your father and mother.


Are you claiming the Sinai Covenant and the New Covenant are exactly the same, no matter what we find in Hebrews 7:12, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24?

(KJV+) Forasmuch asG1894 we have heard,G191 thatG3754 certainG5100 which went outG1831 fromG1537 usG2257 have troubledG5015 youG5209 with words,G3056 subvertingG384 yourG5216 souls,G5590 saying,G3004 Ye must be circumcised,G4059 andG2532 keepG5083 theG3588 law:G3551 to whomG3739 we gave no such commandment:G1291 G3756


God commanded Abraham to circumcise his male offspring.
Are we commanded to do the same today?

Was the author of the Book of Hebrews wrong in Hebrews 12:18-24?

Why did Paul compel the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage"? (Galatians 4:24-31)


Your response above contains your personal opinion, without any scripture.

Can you provide any scripture to back up what you are saying?


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You are attempting to completely ignore the fact that the Westminster Confession of Faith claims the 10 commandments were given to Adam before the fall. Either the confession makes this claim or it does not.

Simple, it does not, the Confession states A law, which is singular, and should not be equated with the Mosaic law.
 
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Simple, it does not, the Confession states A law, which is singular, and should not be equated with the Mosaic law.

Really?

Please show us your version from the text below.


Chapter XIX

Of the Law of God



I. God gave to Adam a law, as a covenant of works, by which He bound him and all his posterity, to personal, entire, exact, and perpetual obedience, promised life upon the fulfilling, and threatened death upon the breach of it, and endued him with power and ability to keep it.

II. This law, after his fall, continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness; and, as such, was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai, in ten commandments, and written in two tables: the first four command- ments containing our duty towards God; and the other six, our duty to man.

III. Besides this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a church under age, ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, His graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits; and partly, holding forth divers instructions of moral duties. All which ceremonial laws are now abrogated, under the New Testament.

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You are attempting to completely ignore the fact that the Westminster Confession of Faith claims the 10 commandments were given to Adam before the fall.
Either the confession makes this claim or it does not.


Adam was given one commandment, which is found in the text below.


Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


Are you saying the Westminster Confession does not claim the 10 commandments were given to Adam before the fall?

Would Adam have understood the following?

Do not commit adultery.
Do not steal.
Honor your father and mother.


Are you claiming the Sinai Covenant and the New Covenant are exactly the same, no matter what we find in Hebrews 7:12, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24?

(KJV+) Forasmuch asG1894 we have heard,G191 thatG3754 certainG5100 which went outG1831 fromG1537 usG2257 have troubledG5015 youG5209 with words,G3056 subvertingG384 yourG5216 souls,G5590 saying,G3004 Ye must be circumcised,G4059 andG2532 keepG5083 theG3588 law:G3551 to whomG3739 we gave no such commandment:G1291 G3756


God commanded Abraham to circumcise his male offspring.
Are we commanded to do the same today?

Was the author of the Book of Hebrews wrong in Hebrews 12:18-24?

Why did Paul compel the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage"? (Galatians 4:24-31)


Your response above contains your personal opinion, without any scripture.

Can you provide any scripture to back up what you are saying?


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Here are some very basic question. Think about it before answering.

Why did Christ die?

Christ died to save sinners from what?

Why was God the Father’s wrath on sinners?

If the Law is not eternal and everlasting how can it be said that all have fallen short according to it?

It's a real issue of epistemology on the part of the New Covenant folks and as R. Scott Clark pointed out it was invented by those who wanted to reject Lord's Day/Sabbath keeping.

The only answers you can come up with, scripturally speaking, is that Christ died to save us from the punishment of breaking God’s holy moral Law. The Father’s wrath was upon sinners for transgressions against that holy moral Law.

If the Law is not everlasting, eternal or applicable to all of humanity Christ died in vain.

Yours in the Lord,

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Really?

Please show us your version from the text below.


Chapter XIX

Of the Law of God

I. God gave to Adam a law, as a covenant of works, by which He bound him and all his posterity, to personal, entire, exact, and perpetual obedience, promised life upon the fulfilling, and threatened death upon the breach of it, and endued him with power and ability to keep it.

II. This law, after his fall, continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness; and, as such, was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai, in ten commandments, and written in two tables: the first four command- ments containing our duty towards God; and the other six, our duty to man.

III. Besides this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a church under age, ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, His graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits; and partly, holding forth divers instructions of moral duties. All which ceremonial laws are now abrogated, under the New Testament.

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In context the "a law" (singular) is described as "a perfect rule of righteousness" (singular). As a perfect rule of righteousness it is a general rule, where the ten commandments (plural) are particulars of the general. Every particular commandment from God comes from a perfect rule of righteousness because as the Apostle say's in Romans 7:12 "So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good." Notice how Paul wrote "commandment" and not the commandments are? Yet all of the commandments of God are Holy, because the rule reflects the nature of Him who gave them.
 
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Notice how Paul wrote "commandment" and not the commandments are? Yet all of the commandments of God are Holy, because the rule reflects the nature of Him who gave them.

Why do you think Paul identified the temporary nature of the Sinai Covenant in Galatians 3:16-29?

Why do you think Paul compelled the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" in Galatians 4:24-31?

Why do you think the author of the Book of Hebrews said we are not come to Mount Sinai and contrasted it to the New Covenant of Christ in Hebrews 12:18-24?

Do you think the commandment to circumcise is to be observed now?


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Why do you think Paul identified the temporary nature of the Sinai Covenant in Galatians 3:16-29?

Why do you think Paul compelled the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" in Galatians 4:24-31?

Why do you think the author of the Book of Hebrews said we are not come to Mount Sinai and contrasted it to the New Covenant of Christ in Hebrews 12:18-24?

Do you think the commandment to circumcise is to be observed now?


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In context, Paul addressed Judaism converts to Christianity who were turning from the New Covenant in a direction backwards to the Old Covenant. As to the "cast out" reference, the Holy law of God revealed sin as sin but as such did not produce righteousness in and of itself. All self-works of men are as filthy rags in the eyes of God, all self-efforts fall short of the glory of God. Where the law revealed the sinfulness of sin, Christ sets the believer free from the bondage of sin.

The author of the book of Hebrews addressed a similar intended audience.

New Covenant circumcision is circumcision of the heart, symbolized in baptism.

I am curious though, by what do you mean "temporary nature"?
 
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