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hint: the answer to every Bible detail and detail in history is not "I don't like SDAs"...
Well I don't particularly agree, but then again I don't disagree. -- Perhaps it would help if "church" doctrines (ALL church doctrines) agreed with Scripture, -- including the SDA's. Unfortunately churches are run by man and thus are fallible, some more than others, but ALL are fallible.

And so we should depend on a careful rendering of Scripture, and in many cases it helps to go back to the Original text, rather than using a "nearest match" in a different language (i.e., English translation).

Or possibly the SDA doctrines supersede Scripture, which would make EVERYONE ELSE WRONG, -- including me ... and even Jesus.

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Here is an additional prophetic time listing, with a broader scope:

457 BC [begins the 2,300, and thus the portion of it, the 70 weeks [490] of KJB Daniel 9:24]
AD 26 [begins John the Baptist, the forerunner of Jesus' first Advent]
AD 27 [ends the 7 + 62 [69] weeks of KJB Daniel 9:25-26; Mark 1:15, and begins the final week, KJB Daniel 9:27]
AD 31 [ends the midst of [3 ½] the final week of the 70 [490] of KJB Daniel 9:24-27, begins the 5 anti-typical months of KJB Revelation 9:5,6,10 from Pentecost, until 1833/34 with warning of Judgment to come by William Miller in AD 1833/34]
AD 34 [ends the final week of the 70 [490] of KJB Daniel 9:24-27]
AD 70 [end of the “generation”, within 40 years of Jesus' prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem by Rome under Titus; KJB Matthew 23:36, 24:2; Mark 13:2; Luke 19:44, 21:6]
AD 303 [begins the 10 years tribulation of KJB Revelation 2:10]
AD 313 [ends the 10 years tribulation of KJB Revelation 2:10]
AD 508 [begins the 1,290 of KJB Daniel 12:11 and 1,335 of KJB Daniel 12:12]
AD 538 [begins the 1,260, forty and two months, time, times and dividing of time, of KJB Daniel 7:25, 12:7; Revelation 11:2,3, 12:6,14, 13:5; Luke 21:24]
AD 1755 [November 1, earthquake that shook the world; KJB Revelation 6:12; Luke 21:25, time of the 6th Seal]
AD 1776 [Beast out of the earth with two horns like a Lamb [Church without a pope, and State without a King, Protestantism, Republicanism], begins to arise with the aide of France, to become the USA, KJB Revelation 13:11]
AD 1780 [May 19, dark day, sun and moon, KJB Revelation 6:12; Luke 21:25, time of the 6th Seal]
AD 1793 [begins the 3 ½ years of KJB Revelation 11:9,11, in France]
AD 1797 [ends the 3 ½ years of KJB Revelation 11:9,11, in France, see also Revelation 11:13, in the political upheaval of France, 1/10 of the 10 horns of KJB Daniel 7:7]
AD 1798 [ends the 1,290 and 1,260, ending in the beginning of the time of the end [AD 1798 – 1844], and France removed from helping USA]
AD 1833 [November 13th, stars falling; KJB Luke 21:25; Revelation 6:13, time of the 6th Seal]
AD 1833/4 [ends the 5th Trumpet of KJB Revelation 9:5,6,10 in the Feast of Trumpets, 5 anti-typical months from Pentecost in AD 31.]
AD 1842-1844 [First and Second Angels messages go forward, KJB Revelation 14:6-8 and Midnight Cry of Matthew 25:6, in first phase]
AD 1844 [ends the 1,335 and 2,300, ending in the ending of the time of the end [AD 1798 – 1844], the “daily” becomes the “yearly”, and 10 years after Feast of Trumpets [1833/34] is now October 22 1844, the Day of Atonement begins; Leviticus 16 & 23; Revelation 14:7, thus given also as the hour [of His judgment, KJB Revelation 14:6-7], day [10th day, Day of Atonement; KJB Leviticus 23:26-32], month [7th month, Ethanim; KJB Leviticus 23:27; 1 Kings 8:2], year [KJB Daniel 8:14, 12:12] in Revelation 9's the sixth Trumpet introduction [KJB Revelation 9:13-15]]
AD 1844 [Third Angels Message goes forward; KJB Revelation 14:9-12]
AD 1880's-1888 [first siege, as in the days of Cestius of Rome, Sunday laws begin to be passed and persecution was happening, Blair Bill almost goes through, but is suddenly halted]
AD 1989 [Holy Alliance - USA [2nd Beast of KJB Revelation 13] teams with Vatican/Papacy [First Beast of KJB Revelation 13] to help bring down USSR]
AD 1990 [the USA, the sole remaining Super-power, “all the power”, “power over” the nations, as per KJB Revelation 13:2,3,7,12,16]
AD 1995 [Christian coalition seeking to gain Roman support]
AD 1998
AD 1999
[Catholics/Lutherans reach agreement]
AD 2001 [tower fell 9/11, just as type foretold, KJB Luke 13:4]
AD 2004 [3rd Event; Sunday being promoted more and more; Roman Catholicism joins Christian Coalition]
AD 2005 [4th Event; Leading Protestant Churches unite on common doctrines; KJB Revelation 13:11,12,14 “they should make an image to the beast” - Catholic Universal, One World Church; see KJB Revelation 13:7,8, “war” [state], “worship” [church]]
AD 2008 [5th Event; National/International money crisis truly begins, KJB Luke 12:25, “with perplexity”, which will become worldwide and in the church, KJB Genesis 47:13,15; effecting a new economic system to come, and buying and selling effected eventually, KJB Revelation 13:7; Daniel 11:43]
AD 2010 [further events between king North, and South]
AD 2011 [further events between king North, and South]
AD 2013 [July 4th; Francis I [the Jesuit], Benedict XVI [Master of the Office of the Inquisition] invoke the weapon of war, just as type foretold, Caiaphas and Annas, KJB Luke 3:2, about to finish the King of the South off [6th Head, the Beast from the bottomless pit of KJB Revelation 11], Secular Humanism/Atheism as ruling power, and the false reliance of Israel, to turn over into the Healing of the deadly wound of the First Beast of Revelation 13:1, when persecution arises in the USA]
AD 2015 [Sept. 22-27th, Francis I [the Jesuit] speaks at Washington D.C., which sits between Mary-land and Virgin-ia]
AD 2016-2017 [Donald Trump is elected President of the USA, and is "prayed" over by the Evangelical apostasy, and begins to give power back to churches to speak about political matters in pulpit; repeals the Johnson Amendment, church and state re-uniting more closely]

Revelation 17, 7 heads and an 8th:

1. [Babylon] - Lion 1 Head

2. [Med-Persia] - Bear 1 Head

3. [Greece] - He-Goat 1 Head

4. [Pagan Rome] - Terrible/Dreadful Beast 1 Head

5. [Papal Rome] - Man of Sin (a creature, a man without indwelling of Christ, is as a beast, see Nebuchadnezzar, Daniel 4) - 1 Head

five are fallen

6. [Atheism/Secular Humanism] - Beast from Bottomless Pit 1 Head

one is after the wilderness period began for Papal Head, Beast of Rev 11. This gave the deadly wound to the 5th Head,and helped the 7th come to power (France, etc) ...

7. USA/Apostate Protestantism - Beast from the Earth 1 head

other is not yet come, continue short space, "2nd Beast" of Rev 13; 10 horns, all the kings of the earth that take counsel against God (world leaders of the U.N., which sit upon the 7th Head)

8. Combined Mystery Babylon (Religious humanism), triumvirate, final [8th] re-vived Head of Papal Power

“As we approach the last crisis, it is of vital moment that harmony and unity exist among the Lord’s instrumentalities. The world is filled with storm and war and variance. Yet under one headthe papal power—the people will unite to oppose God in the person of His witnesses. This union is cemented by the great apostate. While he seeks to unite his agents in warring against the truth he will work to divide and scatter its advocates. Jealousy, evil surmising, evilspeaking, are instigated by him to produce discord and dissension. The members of Christ’s church have the power to thwart the purpose of the adversary of souls. At such a time as this let them not be found at variance with one another or with any of the Lord’s workers. Amidst the general discord let there be one place where harmony and unity exist because the Bible is made the guide of life. Let the people of God feel that a responsibility rests upon them to build up His instrumentalities. …” - Testimonies for the Church Volume 7, p. 182.2 (1) see also The Publishing Ministry, p. 114.4 (1) see also Testimony Treasures Volume 3, p. 171.2 (1) see also Maranatha, p. 187.2 (1) see also Last Day Events, p. 131.5 (1)

Here is another:

“Strange, eventful history is being recorded in the books of heaven. Everything in our world is in agitation. Events are changing to bring about the day of God, which hasteth greatly. The world is filled with storm and war and variance. Under one head, the papal power, it has united to oppose God in the person of His faithful witnesses. This union is cemented by the great apostate. All jealousy, evil surmising, and evil speaking are of him, and tend to produce discord and disunion. Then shall God’s people be at variance with one another? Shall they not be cemented together by the Holy Spirit, each worker filled with love and sympathy for his fellow-worker, each filling his appointment with faithful effort, seeking earnestly to prepare the way of the Lord? In the general discord there should be one place where harmony and unity should exist because the Bible is the guide. When the principles of God’s Word are followed, it becomes a bright light shining in a dark place. All who build on this Rock can be sure that their house will stand amid the tempest.” - ST February 7, 1900, par. 3


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Just more SDA teaching and non Biblical propaganda.


hint: the answer to every Bible detail and detail in history is not "I don't like SDAs"...


Well I don't particularly agree, but then again I don't disagree. -- Perhaps it would help if "church" doctrines (ALL church doctrines) agreed with Scripture, -- including the SDA's. Unfortunately churches are run by man and thus are fallible, some more than others, but ALL are fallible.

The issue is not "what do you think of such-and-such denomination" the issue on this thread is Daniel 7 and in the post of historic dates and events... what do you know about those dates/events and how they line up with Daniel 7.

No matter the list of pejoratives and name-calling or accusations - the basic facts/claims in the posts should be addressed at some point.
 
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The final 7 weeks have yet to be fulfilled, as those involve the time of the Second Coming itself!

All Bible timelines are contiguous - so then the 70 years of Daniel 9:1-8 are all contiguous. And the 70 weeks of years (490 years) at the end of Daniel 9 are all contiguous -- each time line remains in tact.

Your proposal in your post requires imagining that Bible timelines can be sliced-diced and spread all over history with bits and pieces of them dropped hear and there as per whim or fancy.
 
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All Bible timelines are contiguous - so then the 70 years of Daniel 9:1-8 are all contiguous. And the 70 weeks of years (490 years) at the end of Daniel 9 are all contiguous -- each time line remains in tact.

Your proposal in your post requires imagining that Bible timelines can be sliced-diced and spread all over history with bits and pieces of them dropped hear and there as per whim or fancy.
Truth.

All (every single one of the) time prophecies in scripture are indeed 'contiguous', and not a single one not so.

[1] Genesis prophecy (Genesis 1-2; Isaiah 46:9-10; Matthew 13:35) of six days and the 7th of rest - being "a day with the LORD is as a thousand years" (2 Peter 3:8; Psalms 90:4), and 1000 years as a watch in the night (4 watches at night, leading into day, Jesus is the Sun of Righteousness, after 4,000 years of the darkness of sin, He came to deliver from sin), thus 6,000 years and the 7,000th (final 1,000) of earth's battle with sin is over (Revelation 20:1-7) - see TinyUpload.com - best file hosting solution, with no limits, totaly free

There are numerous typological aspects as well of this.

[2] Noah's prophecy of "an hundred and twenty years" years for the flood, coming at the death of Methuselah, unto the very "day" - 120 years (Genesis 6:3, 7:11,13)

[3] Joseph's "seven years of great plenty" (Genesis 41:29) and "seven years of famine" (Genesis 41:27) - which were 14 years together back to back, consecutive (Genesis 41:17-36,47,53-54)

[4] Moses' prophecy of wandering the desert in relation to spying the land of Canaan - 40 days = 40 years; (Numbers 14:34)

[5] David's prophecy of "three days" of pestilence - 3 days exactly (2 Samuel 24:13-25; 1 Chronicles 21:12-30)

[6] Isaiah's prophecy unto Hezekiah "add unto thy days fifteen years" - and Hezekiah died after that time of exactly 15 years (2 Kings 20:6,21)

[7] Isaiah's prophecy unto Moab, "three years" - fulfilled (Isaiah 16:14)

[8] Isaiah's prophecy unto Kedar "within a year" - fulfilled (Isaiah 21:16)

[9] Isaiah's prophecy unto Tyre - 70 years; (Isaiah 23:15,17).

[10] Jeremiah's prophecy of the captivity - 70 years; (2 Chronicles 36:21; Jeremiah 25:11,12, 29:10; Daniel 9:2)

[11] Jeremiah's prophecy of the death of Hananiah "this year" - fulfilled (Jeremiah 28:16-17)

[12] Ezekiel's prophecy of the sins of Israel and Judah in the siege [Israel] "three hundred ninety days", and [Judah] "forty days" - 390 days = 390 years, and 40 days = 40 years, for a grand total of 430 days = 430 years (Ezekiel 4:4-8)

[13] Daniel's prophecy of "a time and times and the dividing of time" (Daniel 7:25), "a time, times, and an half" (Daniel 12:7) which combined with Revelation's prophecy of "forty and two months" (Revelation 11:2), "a thousand two hundred and threescore days" (Revelation 11:3), "a thousand two hundred and threescore days" (Revelation 12:6), "a time, and times, and half a time" (Revelation 12:14), "forty and two months" (Revelation 13:5), also known as "the times of the Gentiles" (Luke 21:24), "the Gentiles" (Revelation 11:2) - which are all the same timeframe of 1,260 years, which is a subsection of 2,300 of Daniel 8:13,14,26; Revelation 9:15, 10:6, 14:6-7.

[14] Daniel's prophecy of the "two thousand and three hundred days" - 2,300 years encompassing the whole of the time from the start in the Persian-Median Kingdom, through Grecia, into Roman Kingdom, and it's divisions, the uprising of the little horn to power, its deadly wound, and the entering in of Christ Jesus into the Most Holy Place with the Father and the opening of the books in Heaven - Daniel 8:13,14,26; Revelation 9:15, 10:6, 14:6-7.

[15] Daniel's prophecy of the "seventy weeks" (Daniel 9:24) which is subdivided into "seven weeks" (Daniel 9:25a) and "threescore" (Daniel 9:25b) "and two weeks" (Daniel 9:25c), of which the final "one week" (70th; Daniel 9:27) is again subdivided into two parts, "in the midst of the week" (Daniel 9:27), being exacly 3 1/2 and 3 1/2 days of the final week - 490 years, being subdivided into 49 years, 434 years = 483 years with 7 years left, half of the 7 final years being fulfilled and confirmed by Jesus from Baptism (Messiah the Prince) unto Crucifixion ("cut off"), which is 3 1/2 years from AD 27 to AD 31 ("causing the sacrfice and oblation to cease", which was "after threescore" "and two weeks" (Daniel 9:26), which has no 'gaps'), and the final portion of the final week, being confirmed by the apostles/disciples in Jesus' stead (John 20:21; Hebrews 2:3, etc) unto the toning of Stephen, in AD 34. This 70 weeks is merely a portion ("determined" (Daniel 9:24), for Jesus is the "certain" saint (the wonderful numberer; Daniel 8:13, which sections, "determines" (Acts 17:26) the times unto man from the greater time (Genesis) alotted) see also Daniel 8:1,15,16,17,19, 27, 9:21,22, "vision", "understand", "Gabriel", "at the first", etc) of the greater time prophecy of 2,300 (Daniel 8:13,14,26; Revelation 9:15, 10:6, 14:6-7).

[16] Daniel's prophecy of the "a thousand two hundred and ninety days" - being 1,290 years, ending the same time as the 1,260 (Daniel 12:11)

[17] Daniel's prophecy of "the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days" - being 1,335 years, beginning the same time as the 1,290, and ending the same time as the 2,300 (Daniel 12:11; Revelation 14:13, "blessed")

[18] Jonah's "forty days" - Ninevah was given this exact time to repent or perish (Jonah 3:4)

[19] Jesus' prophecy of "three days" - in three days Jesus was resurrected (Matthew 16:21; Luke 18:33, 24:7,21; John 2:19-20, etc), no 'gaps' (inspite of all those erroneous wednesday/thursday crucifictionists convoluted ideas)

[20] Jesus' prophecy of his final days of ministry, "I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected (finished, completed)" and "to day, and to morrow, and the day following" - which refers to his last 3 days of workings of miracles among the people before being taken captive - (Luke 13:32-33).

[21] Jesus prophecy of "this generation" - within 40 years exactly Jerusalem and the Temple were destroyed (Matthew 23:36; Luke 11:50,51)

[22] Revelation's prophecy of the "ten days" - 10 years (Revelation 2:10)

[23] Revelation's prophecy of the "five months", "those days" - Pentecost to Trumpets (Revelation 9:5,6,10; (type) Luke 1:24; (type) Genesis 7:24, 8:3; Leviticus 23:15-25)

[24] Revelation's prophecy of the "an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year" - the exact date of the day of Atonement, with the golden Altar in the Most Holy Place; (Revelation 9:13-15)

[25] Revelation's prophecy of the "three days and a half" - 3 1/2 years (Revelation 11:9,11)

[26] Revelation's prophecy of the "thousand years" (Revelation 20:1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - is literally a thousand years (Daniel 7:22; Isaiah 24:22; as it is the final "day" of the cosmic Week, foretold in Genesis; 2 Peter 3:8; Psalms 90:4; Isaiah 46:9-10; Matthew 13:35, etc)

Also those time prophecies, even when divided into smaller portions, are always 'contiguous':

[1] Joseph's "seven years of great plenty" (Genesis 41:29) and "seven years of famine" (Genesis 41:27) - which were 14 years together back to back, consecutive with no 'gaps' (Genesis 41:17-36,47,53-54)

[2] Jeremiah's prophecy of captivity (2 Chronicles 36:21), in which it says "threescore and ten" years. There is no 'gap' between the "threescore" and the "ten" years.

[3] Ezekiel's prophecy of the sins of Israel and Judah, though given in two portions, [Israel] 390 & [Judah] 40, are a total of 430 years. There is no 'gap' betwen the "three hundred and ninety" and "forty" years.

[4] Daniel's prophecy of the "seventy weeks" (Daniel 9:24) which is subdivided into "seven weeks" (Daniel 9:25a) and "threescore" (Daniel 9:25b) "and two weeks" (Daniel 9:25c) (which has no 'gaps' between "threescore" and "two"), of which the final "one week" (70th; Daniel 9:27) is again subdivided into two parts, "in the midst of the week" (Daniel 9:27), being exacly 3 1/2 and 3 1/2 days of the final week - 490 years, being subdivided into 49 years, 434 years = 483 years with 7 years left, half of the 7 final years being fulfilled and confirmed by Jesus from Baptism (Messiah the Prince) unto Crucifixion ("cut off"), which is 3 1/2 years from AD 27 to AD 31 ("causing the sacrfice and oblation to cease", which was "after threescore" "and two weeks" (Daniel 9:26), which has no 'gaps'), and the final portion of the final week, being confirmed by the apostles/disciples in Jesus' stead (John 20:21; Hebrews 2:3, etc) unto the stoning of Stephen, in AD 34. This 70 weeks is merely a portion ("determined" (Daniel 9:24), for Jesus is the "certain" saint (the wonderful numberer; Daniel 8:13, which sections, "determines" (Acts 17:26) the times unto man from the greater time (Genesis) alotted) see also Daniel 8:1,15,16,17,19, 27, 9:21,22, "vision", "understand", "Gabriel", "at the first", etc) of the greater time prophecy of 2,300 (Daniel 8:13,14,26; Revelation 9:15, 10:6, 14:6-7). And for those which erroneously teach that the 7 final years (of the 70 weeks) take place at the end of time ('separated' from the first 69 weeks by over 2 millenia (2,000 years)), they generally accept 'no gaps', even though the final week of the 70 weeks is divided into two, with "in the midst of the week".

They are inconsistent across the board in Daniel 9.

[bonus] Even the "years" foretold in the days of Elijah, was exactly 3 years and six months, which went from the two times of rains, early (3 years) and latter (6 months): 1 Kings 17:1 "these years"; 1 Kings 18;1, "third year"; Luke 4:25 "three years and six months"; James 5:17 "space of three years and six months".
 
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Well I don't particularly agree, but then again I don't disagree. -- Perhaps it would help if "church" doctrines (ALL church doctrines) agreed with Scripture, -- including the SDA's. Unfortunately churches are run by man and thus are fallible, some more than others, but ALL are fallible.

And so we should depend on a careful rendering of Scripture, and in many cases it helps to go back to the Original text, rather than using a "nearest match" in a different language (i.e., English translation).

Or possibly the SDA doctrines supersede Scripture, which would make EVERYONE ELSE WRONG, -- including me ... and even Jesus.

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Sda accord to Ellen White the same status as the Apostle John/peter/Paul in regards to doctrines and practices!
 
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All Bible timelines are contiguous - so then the 70 years of Daniel 9:1-8 are all contiguous. And the 70 weeks of years (490 years) at the end of Daniel 9 are all contiguous -- each time line remains in tact.

Your proposal in your post requires imagining that Bible timelines can be sliced-diced and spread all over history with bits and pieces of them dropped hear and there as per whim or fancy.
Jesus came and was put to death 483 year after the decree, so the final 7 years are still yet to happen!
The prophecy of Daniel concerns Israel right before the Second Coming Event happens!
 
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Sda accord to Ellen White the same status as the Apostle John/peter/Paul in regards to doctrines and practices!
John, Peter, Paul had the same 'status ... in regards doctrines and practices' as Daniel, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Samuel, & Moses. :swoon:
 
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Jesus came and was put to death 483 year after the decree
Indeed. Now, let's look more specifically at the exact when of said "decree" (Daniel 9:24-25). We need a starting date don't we? Where, oh where shall we find it do you think?

...so the final 7 years are still yet to happen!
Jesus being put to death, is the "cut off" of Daniel 9:26, which took place "in the midst of the (final, 70th) week" of the 70 weeks, wherein Jesus brought an end to the "sacrifice and oblation" as Hebrews, etc bodly declare. Therefore, based on that alone, you are in error, and further you are in error, and do not have a single leg to stand upon, since there is not a single time prophecy in the scriptures which is non-contiguous, and that is specifically evidenced here - The pre-advent Investigative Judgment of Daniel 7

Feel free to actually quote scripture otherwise.

The prophecy of Daniel concerns Israel right before the Second Coming Event happens!
As has been shown to you on numerous occasions, Jesus is the true Israel (Matthew 2:13-15; Hosea 11:1; Hebrews 2:13; Isaiah 8:16,18; Genesis 32:28; John 16:33; Revelation 3:21) and the everlasting covenant was made with Him, and thus those in Him (Hebrews 3:6; Jeremiah 31:33; Hebrews 8:10, 10:16, etc)

The 'jews' en masse (in spite of what your 'pastor' may have told you) are not looking to build any temple in earthly palestine, etc (Ezekiel's Temple is the church itself, the body of Christ Jesus, made of living stones, living pillars, living windows, living altars, and Paul says this on numerous occasions, as does John in the Revelation). Those which call themselves 'jews' are not looking to re-institute sacrifice, for most 'jews' today want nothing to do with it, and have endless traditions already in place instead, and there is no knowledge of the Levitical line long since scattered to the winds, mixed and mingled, there is no priestly, nor high preistly office, there is no Ark of the covenant (still buried from the days of Jeremiah).

Don't believe me? Contact the US Embassy in Jerusalem, contact the archeological community therein, contact the leading 'Rab' in Jerusalem, contact the local 'synagogues', 'churches' and 'mosques' therein and speak with anyone, and ask them if there is any such plans, ever. You will get a resounding, "No."

Modern so-called 'evangelical' baptist have swallowed Jesuit futurism (Link & Link & Link) (along with a bunch of other Romish doctrines) and live in an imaginary realm of fiction concerning this and they constantly have to hype themselves up every few weeks with some new phantastical date.

Genesis 40:8; 2 Peter 1:20 says that it is God which interprets His own prophecy, and therefore, what is the name of your 'pastor'? Is it JEHOVAH Elohiym? If not, a bit of advice, stick with what God did say in His word, not merely repeat what you heard at the stump.
 
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Jesus death atoned for ALL of my sins, so how I can God investigate me in order to have me lose salvation?

Actually it did not. His death made the provision for the atonement of sins. Everyone's sins was not automatically atoned for when Jesus died. The bible says in 1 John 1:9 that if you confess your sins he is faithful and just to forgive you and cleanse you from unrighteousness and 1 John 2 says that if you sin you have an advocate who is Jesus Christ.

Plus your statement is very arrogant. Who are you that God cannot investigate? If you consider yourself to be a part of the house of God didn't you know that judgement begins with you?

1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
 
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Actually it did not. His death made the provision for the atonement of sins. Everyone's sins was not automatically atoned for when Jesus died. The bible says in 1 John 1:9 that if you confess your sins he is faithful and just to forgive you and cleanse you from unrighteousness

Amen. It does not say "if Jesus died on the cross then you are forgiven of sin - so don't confess, don't repent.."
 
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Sda accord to Ellen White the same status as the Apostle John/peter/Paul in regards to doctrines and practices!

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Ellen White was a prophet and has the status that the Bible says a prophet has. Sola scriptura matters.
 
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Indeed. Now, let's look more specifically at the exact when of said "decree" (Daniel 9:24-25). We need a starting date don't we? Where, oh where shall we find it do you think?

Jesus being put to death, is the "cut off" of Daniel 9:26, which took place "in the midst of the (final, 70th) week" of the 70 weeks, wherein Jesus brought an end to the "sacrifice and oblation" as Hebrews, etc bodly declare. Therefore, based on that alone, you are in error, and further you are in error, and do not have a single leg to stand upon, since there is not a single time prophecy in the scriptures which is non-contiguous, and that is specifically evidenced here - The pre-advent Investigative Judgment of Daniel 7

Feel free to actually quote scripture otherwise.

As has been shown to you on numerous occasions, Jesus is the true Israel (Matthew 2:13-15; Hosea 11:1; Hebrews 2:13; Isaiah 8:16,18; Genesis 32:28; John 16:33; Revelation 3:21) and the everlasting covenant was made with Him, and thus those in Him (Hebrews 3:6; Jeremiah 31:33; Hebrews 8:10, 10:16, etc)

The 'jews' en masse (in spite of what your 'pastor' may have told you) are not looking to build any temple in earthly palestine, etc (Ezekiel's Temple is the church itself, the body of Christ Jesus, made of living stones, living pillars, living windows, living altars, and Paul says this on numerous occasions, as does John in the Revelation). Those which call themselves 'jews' are not looking to re-institute sacrifice, for most 'jews' today want nothing to do with it, and have endless traditions already in place instead, and there is no knowledge of the Levitical line long since scattered to the winds, mixed and mingled, there is no priestly, nor high preistly office, there is no Ark of the covenant (still buried from the days of Jeremiah).

Don't believe me? Contact the US Embassy in Jerusalem, contact the archeological community therein, contact the leading 'Rab' in Jerusalem, contact the local 'synagogues', 'churches' and 'mosques' therein and speak with anyone, and ask them if there is any such plans, ever. You will get a resounding, "No."

Modern so-called 'evangelical' baptist have swallowed Jesuit futurism (Link & Link & Link) (along with a bunch of other Romish doctrines) and live in an imaginary realm of fiction concerning this and they constantly have to hype themselves up every few weeks with some new phantastical date.

Genesis 40:8; 2 Peter 1:20 says that it is God which interprets His own prophecy, and therefore, what is the name of your 'pastor'? Is it JEHOVAH Elohiym? If not, a bit of advice, stick with what God did say in His word, not merely repeat what you heard at the stump.
Great tribulation and Antichrist yet to come, and THEN end of Daniel prophecy is to be fulfilled!
 
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Actually it did not. His death made the provision for the atonement of sins. Everyone's sins was not automatically atoned for when Jesus died. The bible says in 1 John 1:9 that if you confess your sins he is faithful and just to forgive you and cleanse you from unrighteousness and 1 John 2 says that if you sin you have an advocate who is Jesus Christ.

Plus your statement is very arrogant. Who are you that God cannot investigate? If you consider yourself to be a part of the house of God didn't you know that judgement begins with you?

1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
God placed ALL of my sins upon Jesus, and he bore IN FULL the penalty for my sins, so once saved by Him, he is my High priest, and the Holy Spirit seals me unto the day of full redemption as in glorification, so eternally secured. There will be NO judgment made by god ever against his own saved in regards to loss of salvation, just in regards to loss of rewards!
 
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Creative writing is fascinating.

Ellen White was a prophet and has the status that the Bible says a prophet has. Sola scriptura matters.
There have been NO Prophets/Apostles given by God after John the Apostle died off!
 
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There have been NO Prophets/Apostles given by God after John the Apostle died off!

You say that as if you are God and know what you have done every minute of the last 2000 years. Why not "at least" reference something in the Bible so it is not all "you quoting you"?? Why do that?
 
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Great tribulation and Antichrist yet to come, and THEN end of Daniel prophecy is to be fulfilled!

Nope.

All Bible timelines are contiguous so that they have meaning. This is true - without exception.
 
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Actually it did not. His death made the provision for the atonement of sins.

His death is the "atoning sacrifice" 1 John 2:2 NIV that the Lev 16 "Day of Atonement" chapter depicts in the death of the sin offering. But the "Day of Atonement" does not end with the death of the sin offering because the work of the High Priest is also needed. In fact that work "is the main point" according to Hebrews 8:1
 
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God placed ALL of my sins upon Jesus, and he bore IN FULL the penalty for my sins

And not ONLY for your sins but "for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD" 1 John 2:2 --

Bible details matter.

OSAS fails the test of scripture.
 
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