How to we make sure of our end-time beliefs? Jesus says, "be ready" (Luke 12:40)

com7fy8 · Dec 28, 2018

It looks to me like we have people who say they are very sure of what they say about the end times. And they have scripture for what they say, plus things they get from the news and history. And they possibly have prayed for God to show them.

But . . . yet . . . possibly, people have prayed and checked what the Bible says, but still they do not agree with one another.

Our character can effect what we are able to believe, and our real nature has a lot to do with if we are honest enough to make sure with God, about things. So, we need how You, O God our Father, truly correct our character so we get what You tell us, through Your word and how You make us clear about what You desire to share with us.

Also, in order to get the end times history right, what comes first? Do we first need to study and read and listen, all while praying?

Or, does our attention first need to be to what Jesus says to do so we are "ready"? >

"'Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.'" (Luke 12:20)

Or . . . may be there is another possibility > like, do both at the same time

l o l o l o l o l

In this thread anyone is welcome to share how you make sure.

And I would appreciate giving our attention to what Jesus means by being "ready", and how do we go about this?

Does being ready mean we know He is coming and we are waiting and believe the correct end-time beliefs?

I personally now understand how our attention mainly needs to be to how we need to become in our . . . nature. We need however our Father corrects us and changes us to be like Jesus, so we are pleasing to God the way He will want us to be for all eternity and this will also make us compatible with our Groom Jesus and with one another.

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

This is included. What else would you share about how we need to be "ready" for Jesus, and for all which He knows will happen?

God bless you, thank you

JohnB445 · Dec 28, 2018

Its time to be rapture ready just in case

eleos1954 · Dec 28, 2018

com7fy8 said:
It looks to me like we have people who say they are very sure of what they say about the end times. And they have scripture for what they say, plus things they get from the news and history. And they possibly have prayed for God to show them.

But . . . yet . . . possibly, people have prayed and checked what the Bible says, but still they do not agree with one another.

Our character can effect what we are able to believe, and our real nature has a lot to do with if we are honest enough to make sure with God, about things. So, we need how You, O God our Father, truly correct our character so we get what You tell us, through Your word and how You make us clear about what You desire to share with us.

Also, in order to get the end times history right, what comes first? Do we first need to study and read and listen, all while praying?

Or, does our attention first need to be to what Jesus says to do so we are "ready"? >

"'Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.'" (Luke 12:20)

Or . . . may be there is another possibility > like, do both at the same time l o l o l o l o l

In this thread anyone is welcome to share how you make sure.

And I would appreciate giving our attention to what Jesus means by being "ready", and how do we go about this?

Does being ready mean we know He is coming and we are waiting and believe the correct end-time beliefs?

I personally now understand how our attention mainly needs to be to how we need to become in our . . . nature. We need however our Father corrects us and changes us to be like Jesus, so we are pleasing to God the way He will want us to be for all eternity and this will also make us compatible with our Groom Jesus and with one another.

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

This is included. What else would you share about how we need to be "ready" for Jesus, and for all which He knows will happen?

God bless you, thank you

the answer is in the following verses of the parable.

47That servant who knows his master’s will but does not get ready or follow his instructions will be beaten with many blows. 48But the one who unknowingly does things worthy of punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and from him who has been entrusted with much, even more will be demanded.

Continuously living in the ways of the Lamb (the master). Knowing the ways of the Lamb through His Holy Word. Follow the Lamb ... always and continuously. That way we are always ready.

God Bless.

“Paisios” · Dec 28, 2018

com7fy8 said:
It looks to me like we have people who say they are very sure of what they say about the end times. And they have scripture for what they say, plus things they get from the news and history. And they possibly have prayed for God to show them.

But . . . yet . . . possibly, people have prayed and checked what the Bible says, but still they do not agree with one another.

Our character can effect what we are able to believe, and our real nature has a lot to do with if we are honest enough to make sure with God, about things. So, we need how You, O God our Father, truly correct our character so we get what You tell us, through Your word and how You make us clear about what You desire to share with us.

Also, in order to get the end times history right, what comes first? Do we first need to study and read and listen, all while praying?

Or, does our attention first need to be to what Jesus says to do so we are "ready"? >

"'Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.'" (Luke 12:20)

Or . . . may be there is another possibility > like, do both at the same time l o l o l o l o l

In this thread anyone is welcome to share how you make sure.

And I would appreciate giving our attention to what Jesus means by being "ready", and how do we go about this?

Does being ready mean we know He is coming and we are waiting and believe the correct end-time beliefs?

I personally now understand how our attention mainly needs to be to how we need to become in our . . . nature. We need however our Father corrects us and changes us to be like Jesus, so we are pleasing to God the way He will want us to be for all eternity and this will also make us compatible with our Groom Jesus and with one another.

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

This is included. What else would you share about how we need to be "ready" for Jesus, and for all which He knows will happen?

God bless you, thank you

I don’t quite understand why so many focus on the end times (I do not mean to offend - I really just don’t get it). If we have made the decision to follow Jesus, then don’t we start that now? If we start the walk now, and do as He asks us to, and try to grow in our faith, and walk more closely with Him, then does it matter if the end times happen tomorrow, or next week or in another thousand years? If we seek shelter with Him and walk in His shadow, then what do the external and worldly circumstances matter? (Not that I am there yet by any means - I worry constantly about everything most of the time ... but at least sometimes I see there is another way ...)

LittleLambofJesus · Dec 28, 2018

Shoetoyou said:
I don’t quite understand why so many focus on the end times (I do not mean to offend - I really just don’t get it). If we have made the decision to follow Jesus, then don’t we start that now? If we start the walk now, and do as He asks us to, and try to grow in our faith, and walk more closely with Him, then does it matter if the end times happen tomorrow, or next week or in another thousand years? If we seek shelter with Him and walk in His shadow, then what do the external and worldly circumstances matter? (Not that I am there yet by any means - I worry constantly about everything most of the time ... but at least sometimes I see there is another way ...)

I understand your concern on that and agree.
What else would we discuss on the Eschatology board?
I posit that if every Christian in the world stopped debating the so called end times/end of the world, that is when Jesus will come..... :angel:

Mat 6:34
“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things.
Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.

Jas 4
13 Come now, you who say, “Today or tomorrow we will go to such and such a city, spend a year there, buy and sell, and make a profit”;
14 whereas you do not know what will happen tomorrow. For what is your life?
It is even a vapor that appears for a little time and then vanishes away.

Luk 12:20
“But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul will be required of you;
then whose will those things be which you have provided?'

We are all but dust in the wind...............

Lam 2:10
The elders of the daughter of Zion Sit on the ground and keep silence;
They throw dust on their heads And gird themselves with sackcloth.
The virgins of Jerusalem Bow their heads to the ground.

Psa 83:13
O my God, make them like the whirling dust,
Like the chaff before the wind!

Luk 13
34 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! ...............................
35 “See! Your house is left to you desolate;

Rev 18:19
“They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and wailing, and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great City, in which all who had ships on the sea became rich by her wealth!
For in one hour she is made desolate.'

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

History records few events more generally interesting than the destruction of Jerusalem, and the subversion of the Jewish state, by the arms of the Romans. --
Their intimate connexion with the dissolution of the Levitical economy, and the establishment of Christianity in the world ; the striking verification which they afford of so many of the prophecies, both of the Old and New Testament, and the powerful arguments of the divine authority of the Scriptures which are thence derived ;
the solemn warnings and admonitions which they hold out to all nations, but especially such as are favoured with the light and blessings of REVELATION ; together with the impressive and terrific grandeur of the events themselves -

.....................

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 28, 2018

com7fy8 said:
But . . . yet . . . possibly, people have prayed and checked what the Bible says, but still they do not agree with one another.

hmmm...... really? ... ... yes, obviously..!

continue>

com7fy8 said:
Also, in order to get the end times history right, what comes first? Do we first need to study and read and listen, all while praying?

LISTEN

com7fy8 said:
Or, does our attention first need to be to what Jesus says to do so we are "ready"? >
"'Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.'" (Luke 12:20)

LISTEN

com7fy8 said:
And I would appreciate giving our attention to what Jesus means by being "ready", and how do we go about this?

JESUS says "you must be born again, by the Will of the Father in heaven"
It is the Father's DOING, or it is not done.
A little analagous like , when a woman gives birth naturally (has a baby),
the earthly father did DO something. Neither the woman nor the baby could cause the baby to be born , if the father did not DO what was needed. So also no Ekklesia is set apart, born again, except by the FATHER IN HEAVEN, when He Does this.

com7fy8 said:
Does being ready mean we know He is coming and we are waiting and believe the correct end-time beliefs?

It is written: Jesus will return for all His Ekklesia, born again ones - for everyone who is EAGERLY WATCHING FOR HIS RETURN.

com7fy8 said:
This is included. What else would you share about how we need to be "ready" for Jesus, and for all which He knows will happen?

LISTEN

"LISTEN" ....... Jesus Says" ALL MY SHEEP,
know(recognize) MY Voice"
and they follow ME (Jesus).

They will NOT FOLLOW another.

com7fy8 · Dec 28, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
We are all but dust in the wind...............

I think that as we get with God we become more stable, not always as blowing dust; so, Little Lamb, I am not sure what you mean by us all being like blowing dust.

Because > as we submit to God we discover how He is using troubles, and has His order in and through the crazy things so worldly people and things can look like they are just blowing around, but it is working even in order for our good.

Thank you for whatever you have to say. God bless you, too

In any case, I think, it is clear we need to not be trying to control what will happen, each day. This can keep us from discovering the good which God is doing . . . as we depend on our own selves and try to rig and pre-plan and rehearse how things will go.

Rest in Jesus, instead. And I see how resting in the LORD can help us prepare for His return >

"Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless;" (2 Peter 3:4)

"that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love" (in Ephesians 1:4)

Tolworth John · Dec 28, 2018

com7fy8 said:
What else would you share about how we need to be "ready" for Jesus

It is very simple.

Believe that he is coming again and try to live in the light of that knowledge.

LittleLambofJesus · Dec 28, 2018

com7fy8 said:
I think that as we get with God we become more stable, not always as blowing dust; so, Little Lamb, I am not sure what you mean by us all being like blowing dust.

Because > as we submit to God we discover how He is using troubles, and has His order in and through the crazy things so worldly people and things can look like they are just blowing around, but it is working even in order for our good.

Thank you for whatever you have to say. God bless you, too

1:4)

Dust to dust.....ashes to ashes...........[I am getting cremated myself]
Now back to the end-times........

Who were oppressing the NC Saints in the NT and trying to kill Jesus and Paul?

Eze 27:30
They will make their voice heard because of you;
They will cry bitterly and cast dust on their heads;
They will roll about in ashes;

Matt 23:34
`Because of this behold!
I am Commissioning toward ye Prophets and Wisemen and Scribes,
out of Them Ye shall be Killing and ye shall be Crucifying/staurwsete <4717> (5692),...............

1 thess 2:
14 for ye became imitators, brethren, of the assemblies of God that are in Judea in Christ Jesus, because such things ye suffered, even ye, from your own countrymen, as also they from the Jews,
15 who did both put to death the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and did persecute us, and God they are not pleasing, and to all men [are] contrary,
16 forbidding us to speak to the nations that they might be saved, to fill up their sins always, but the wrath doth come upon them — to the end!

Rev 3:9
“Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews[OC Jewish rulers] and are not, but lie—
indeed I will make them come and worship before your[NC Saints] feet, and to know that I have loved you.

Isa 49:
23
Kings shall be your foster fathers,
And their queens your nursing mothers;
They shall bow down to you with their faces to the earth,
And lick up the dust of your feet.
Then you will know that I am the LORD,
For they shall not be ashamed who wait for Me.”
26
I will feed those who oppress you with their own flesh,
And they shall be drunk with their own blood as with sweet wine.
All flesh shall know
That I, the LORD, am your Savior,
And your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.”

.

com7fy8 · Dec 28, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
Isa 49:
23
Kings shall be your foster fathers,
And their queens your nursing mothers;
They shall bow down to you with their faces to the earth,
And lick up the dust of your feet.
Then you will know that I am the LORD,
For they shall not be ashamed who wait for Me.”
26
I will feed those who oppress you with their own flesh,
And they shall be drunk with their own blood as with sweet wine.
All flesh shall know
That I, the LORD, am your Savior,
And your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.”

So, be ready by being humble about this. Being over others is not that big of a thing. Being with Jesus in His love is the most.

And have compassion on these people, now, with hope for them to be saved. I think example helps a lot.

LittleLambofJesus · Dec 28, 2018

JohnB445 said:
Its time to be rapture ready just in case

Yes indeed!..........

Rapture Index - Latest activity indicators of when the Rapture might occur.

Rapture Ready Index
Rapture Index: 183

100 and Below: Slow prophetic activity
100 to 130: Moderate prophetic activity
130 to 160: Heavy prophetic activity
Above 160: Fasten your seat belts

...............

.

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 28, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
.[I am getting cremated myself]

< Invitations yet ? >

Actually, sorry to hear that......

“Paisios” · Dec 28, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
I understand your concern on that and agree.
What else would we discuss on the Eschatology board?
I posit that if every Christian in the world stopped debating the so called end times/end of the world, that is when Jesus will come.....

Mat 6:34
“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things.
Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.

Jas 4
13 Come now, you who say, “Today or tomorrow we will go to such and such a city, spend a year there, buy and sell, and make a profit”;
14 whereas you do not know what will happen tomorrow. For what is your life?
It is even a vapor that appears for a little time and then vanishes away.

Luk 12:20
“But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul will be required of you;
then whose will those things be which you have provided?'

We are all but dust in the wind...............

Lam 2:10
The elders of the daughter of Zion Sit on the ground and keep silence;
They throw dust on their heads And gird themselves with sackcloth.
The virgins of Jerusalem Bow their heads to the ground.

Psa 83:13
O my God, make them like the whirling dust,
Like the chaff before the wind!

Luk 13
34 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! ...............................
35 “See! Your house is left to you desolate;

Rev 18:19
“They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and wailing, and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great City, in which all who had ships on the sea became rich by her wealth!
For in one hour she is made desolate.'

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

History records few events more generally interesting than the destruction of Jerusalem, and the subversion of the Jewish state, by the arms of the Romans. --
Their intimate connexion with the dissolution of the Levitical economy, and the establishment of Christianity in the world ; the striking verification which they afford of so many of the prophecies, both of the Old and New Testament, and the powerful arguments of the divine authority of the Scriptures which are thence derived ;
the solemn warnings and admonitions which they hold out to all nations, but especially such as are favoured with the light and blessings of REVELATION ; together with the impressive and terrific grandeur of the events themselves -

.....................

Yes, of course, this is the place to discuss such things, and it is an interesting topic to consider nad discuss. Please don’t take my post to mean or imply any kind of criticism re: discussion of such things. I’m just sometimes confused by it all.

Seadish · Dec 28, 2018

com7fy8 said:
It looks to me like we have people who say they are very sure of what they say about the end times. And they have scripture for what they say, plus things they get from the news and history. And they possibly have prayed for God to show them.

But . . . yet . . . possibly, people have prayed and checked what the Bible says, but still they do not agree with one another.

Our character can effect what we are able to believe, and our real nature has a lot to do with if we are honest enough to make sure with God, about things. So, we need how You, O God our Father, truly correct our character so we get what You tell us, through Your word and how You make us clear about what You desire to share with us.

Also, in order to get the end times history right, what comes first? Do we first need to study and read and listen, all while praying?

Or, does our attention first need to be to what Jesus says to do so we are "ready"? >

"'Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.'" (Luke 12:20)

Or . . . may be there is another possibility > like, do both at the same time l o l o l o l o l

In this thread anyone is welcome to share how you make sure.

And I would appreciate giving our attention to what Jesus means by being "ready", and how do we go about this?

Does being ready mean we know He is coming and we are waiting and believe the correct end-time beliefs?

I personally now understand how our attention mainly needs to be to how we need to become in our . . . nature. We need however our Father corrects us and changes us to be like Jesus, so we are pleasing to God the way He will want us to be for all eternity and this will also make us compatible with our Groom Jesus and with one another.

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

This is included. What else would you share about how we need to be "ready" for Jesus, and for all which He knows will happen?

God bless you, thank you

Agreed yet would like to add that we need be aware and not deceived

parousia70 · Dec 28, 2018

Tolworth John said:
It is very simple.

Believe that he is coming again and try to live in the light of that knowledge.

Hmmm... and what if someone does not?

Is the Christian who was born in 1901, who lived each day in expectation of His return, yet died without seeing it come, somehow better off than His Christian Neighbor who simply lived out his Christain Life without expecting His return, died, and ended up being correct in his lack of expectation, while the one who expected it ended up being 100% wrong?

parousia70 · Dec 28, 2018

com7fy8 said:
Or, does our attention first need to be to what Jesus says to do so we are "ready"? >

"'Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.'" (Luke 12:20)

There have been now 2 millennia full of multiple generations of Christians who have lived and died... some lived each day awaiting, expecting, being "ready for" and anticipating His certain return in their lifetimes, while others simply lived out their Christian Lives expecting no such thing.

None of them ever lived to see His return, whether they were "ready" for it, or not.

Which ones were better off?

Scripture gives a clue:
Proverbs 13:12
Hope deferred makes the heart sick,
but a longing fulfilled is a tree of life.

Tolworth John · Dec 29, 2018

parousia70 said:
Hmmm... and what if someone does not?

Is the Christian who was born in 1901, who lived each day in expectation of His return, yet died without seeing it come, somehow better off than His Christian Neighbor who simply lived out his Christain Life without expecting His return, died, and ended up being correct in his lack of expectation, while the one who expected it ended up being 100% wrong?

IOt is not a case of this is a better way to serve Jesus, or if you do this you will gain a crown of glory.

We are to serve Jesus as best we can.
Ever read the narnia stories? Aslan, the representation of Jesus regularly told the heros, 'I only tell you your story, never someone elses.'

What another does, is what that peson does, they may encourage you to better service or discourage you. You are responcible for how you serve and we cannot just copy others.

com7fy8 · Dec 29, 2018

parousia70 said:
There have been now 2 millennia full of multiple generations of Christians who have lived and died... some lived each day awaiting, expecting, being "ready for" and anticipating His certain return in their lifetimes, while others simply lived out their Christian Lives expecting no such thing.

None of them ever lived to see His return, whether they were "ready" for it, or not.

Which ones were better off?

Hi, Parousia

Our Apostle Paul has answered this very well > 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18.

My personal learning along with this is that if a person is ready for Jesus to return, this means the person has been conformed to the image of Jesus the way God wants. Then, if he or she dies before the Rapture, this person is ready to be resurrected from the dead when Christ returns.

And anyone still alive on the earth at the return of Christ is ready, also, if he or she has been prepared by God conforming him or her to the image of Jesus.

By the way, Romans 8:29 guarantees that every child of God will be conformed to the image of Jesus.

Also, while I was participating in Mass, we recited that "Christ will come again." So, from this, I understand that there are Catholics who officially teach that Jesus will return.

parousia70 · Dec 31, 2018

com7fy8 said:
Hi, Parousia Our Apostle Paul has answered this very well > 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18.

Paul includes Himself in the "we who are alive and remain"...
Was he wrong to do this?

My personal learning along with this is that if a person is ready for Jesus to return, this means the person has been conformed to the image of Jesus the way God wants. Then, if he or she dies before the Rapture, this person is ready to be resurrected from the dead when Christ returns.

And again, the person who is not occupied with "preparing and readiness" for His return, but simply lives a Good Christian Life and dies before "the raputure"?

And anyone still alive on the earth at the return of Christ is ready, also, if he or she has been prepared by God conforming him or her to the image of Jesus.

Ahhh... so It's possible to be "ready" without actively "Preparing and looking" for His return then?

By the way, Romans 8:29 guarantees that every child of God will be conformed to the image of Jesus.

I guess you just answered that question.

Also, while I was participating in Mass, we recited that "Christ will come again." So, from this, I understand that there are Catholics who officially teach that Jesus will return.

All Catholics Pray the Creed and affirm the future Creedal Consummation.

Catholics also affirm Christ "Comes" to earth every day, and is Bodily "present" with us in the Eucharist, and we, the Church, are Christ's actual physical Body on earth. Many, such as myself, also affirm Christ Came in Judgment at the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem, and was the stone that crushed those wicked men to powder, as Matthew 21:33-45 teaches.

parousia70 · Dec 31, 2018

Tolworth John said:
IOt is not a case of this is a better way to serve Jesus, or if you do this you will gain a crown of glory.

We are to serve Jesus as best we can.
Ever read the narnia stories? Aslan, the representation of Jesus regularly told the heros, 'I only tell you your story, never someone elses.'

So Truth is Relative then?

What another does, is what that peson does, they may encourage you to better service or discourage you. You are responcible for how you serve and we cannot just copy others.

So there are no absolutes that apply to all?... its all in how we personally feel about things?

How to we make sure of our end-time beliefs? Jesus says, "be ready" (Luke 12:40)

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