So....what if your wrong?

LittleLambofJesus · Dec 27, 2018

Daniel Martinovich said:
Except for one or two people. Every one of you without exception is preaching about a visible\physical kingdom to come where God will supernaturally impose righteousness on the earth. Exactly what the religious leaders in Jesus day thought too. Yet here we are 500 years past the end of the 4th of the 4 empires named and dated in scripture and the prophecies of the age of promise are blossoming before our eyes. Even with great opposition that has caused the deaths of hundreds of millions. The world has not been able to stop it.
Yet I see very little fear about the possibility that ya'll could be wrong about the very idea of a physical \visible kingdom being the vehicle in which righteousness dwells on our planet.
Another, (very popular) article I wrote. About it never being about a physical \visible Kingdom bringing the earthly promises of God to pass. If your interested.
What Is The Government Of God?

Very interesting site!
Have you heard of Preston Eby?

Kindgdom Bible Studies Kingdom of God Part 1

THE RULE OF GOD

It is significant to note that the phrases “Kingdom of God” and “Kingdom of Heaven” are not to be found in the Old Testament. They are strictly New Testament terms beginning with John the Baptist and Jesus. When Jesus came He did not preach a message called grace, or salvation, or justification, or sanctification, or regeneration, or even the Church. Could there be any more glorious message than the one that fell from His lips as He began His sonship ministry declaring, “The KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND!”

From that time forward the great teaching of the Lord centered in the truth of THE KINGDOM. His gospel was the gospel (good news) of the Kingdom of God. He only lightly touched on the other subjects which today are considered the great doctrines of the Church and then only as they related to the Kingdom. All of these things are included within the Kingdom, but the Kingdom is none of them. The Kingdom is THE RULE OF GOD. It is the DOMINION OF GOD. That is exactly what it is.............

THE KINGDOM OF GOD

There are a great many ideas, opinions, interpretations, conceptions and mis-conceptions among believers as to what constitutes the Kingdom of God. Vast multitudes of people believe that any minute Jesus will appear in the sky and whisk away (rapture) those who are saved and take them to heaven to enjoy the Kingdom of God. They teach that the Kingdom of God is heaven and that it has no relationship with the earth. For these the “end time” means the cataclysmic end of the universe, the destruction of the earth by fire, the sending of all unbelievers and wicked people to eternal damnation in hell, and the establishing of an eternal order of bliss for the saved in some far-off heaven somewhere.

Others teach that the Kingdom of God is purely earthly, and that it will be a political and social structure enforced on earth for a thousand years at the return of Jesus Christ with His saints to rule and reign. This theory has been popularized by the Schofield Bible..................

A variation of the above plan involves the Anglo-Saxon-Celtic nations of earth as descendants of the “lost” ten tribes of Israel — the northern kingdom of Israel carried away into captivity. There is some evidence that these tribes have become the modern nations of Britain, the United States, Australia, New Zealand, north-western Europe, etc.
According to this concept Christ comes back to reign over these great Israel nations rather than the Jews — and the capital city of the restored Israel Kingdom will be London, England, where the throne of David is now located. This Kingdom will be earthly, political, judiciary and military.

Still another teaching is that the Church (organized Christianity) is the Kingdom of God. The covenantal promises God made with Abraham and David have been transferred to and fulfilled spiritually in the Church. The Church is thus the New Israel in the earth.
This theory prevailed during the Middle Ages (also called the Dark Ages) when the supreme head of the Church (the Pope), complete with a crown, a throne, a government and an army, ruled the nations of Europe for a thousand years as the Kingdom of God on earth.
Unfortunately, this period, instead of being the most enlightening, progressive, prosperous, righteous and glorious epoch in history was in fact the darkest, most illiterate and ignorant, superstitious and backward, of earth’s generations!

Some among us even today believe that the Kingdom will come as a result of Christians becoming politically active, taking over the existing political institutions, getting elected to office, and ruling the earth through the power of politics.

This is exactly what happened when the Roman Emperor Constantine began mixing Christianity with carnal government which gave rise to the Papacy and the temporal powers of government were seized by the so-called Church.
The result was not earth’s “golden age,” “Utopia,” or “Jubilee,” but the now infamous “Dark Ages” ruled over by the kingdom of MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT...........................

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yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 27, 2018

Not quite , not exactly, not in harmony with facts , history and Scripture.
Jesus does not rule the whole world today. THat is false (and prevalent) teaching.

parousia70 · Dec 27, 2018

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Jesus does not rule the whole world today. THat is false (and prevalent) teaching.

SCRIPTURE SAYS:
Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER is given unto me in heaven AND IN EARTH.

YOU SAY MATT 28:18 IS WRONG, & JESUS WAS WRONG TO CLAIM THIS.

AGAIN, SCRIPTURE SAYS:
Revelation 1:5
...Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, AND THE PRINCE OF THE KINGS OF THE EARTH.

AND AGAIN, YOU SAY REV 1:5 IS WRONG

SCRIPTURE SAYS He is the now ruling king:

"Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth" (Rev 1:5)

"Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been made subject to him" (1 Peter 3:22)

YOU SAY, NO HE IS NOT.

When faced with deciding which of these two polar opposite views to accept as true and correct, that of scripture or that of yeshuaslavejeff, I have to side with scripture, every time.

Daniel Martinovich · Dec 27, 2018

Revealing Times said:
You have no rebut, I understand because that can't be rebutted.

Sure I did. You provided me a whole article that you didn’t write. I provided you with an article I did write that owned yours. You just didn’t read it. I read yours.

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 27, 2018

Whenever someone wants to stand by their false doctrines, they thereby admit in essence they don't want to hear nor to seek the truth.
Thus nothing posted would be for their benefit, but if for anyone else to be warned about anything false or dangerous, then perhaps that's why.

parousia70 · Dec 27, 2018

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Whenever someone wants to stand by their false doctrines, they thereby admit in essence they don't want to hear nor to seek the truth.
Thus nothing posted would be for their benefit, but if for anyone else to be warned about anything false or dangerous, then perhaps that's why.

Our readers can determine quite easily who's view has the scriptural support and who's does not.

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 27, 2018

parousia70 said:
Our readers can determine quite easily who's view has the scriptural support and who's does not.

Since the readers may be anyone in the whole world with access;
and since most of all the people in the whole world have no clue as to what is right and what is wrong, what is truth and what is the lie,
it is wrong to assume that the readers will have any idea of truth most of the time.
Those who are seeking truth, seeking Yahweh's Kingdom, may learn.
Those already born again, new creations, true saints, Ekklesia called by God and set apart by God for Himself,
yes, they already know, before ever reading this forum.

Revealing Times · Dec 27, 2018

Daniel Martinovich said:
Sure I did. You provided me a whole article that you didn’t write. I provided you with an article I did write that owned yours. You just didn’t read it. I read yours.

No thanks, I glanced at it and saw it was not to my taste at all........You couldn't own me on anything in the bible, especially Prophecy. You just dreaming.

parousia70 · Dec 27, 2018

As the world continues not ending and not ending and not ending, folks continue to come around and start actually believing the words from scripture that they already recite, "World without end, Amen"

keras · Dec 27, 2018

parousia70 said:
SCRIPTURE SAYS:
Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER is given unto me in heaven AND IN EARTH.

YOU SAY MATT 28:18 IS WRONG, & JESUS WAS WRONG TO CLAIM THIS.

AGAIN, SCRIPTURE SAYS:
Revelation 1:5
...Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, AND THE PRINCE OF THE KINGS OF THE EARTH.

AND AGAIN, YOU SAY REV 1:5 IS WRONG

SCRIPTURE SAYS He is the now ruling king:

"Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth" (Rev 1:5)

"Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been made subject to him" (1 Peter 3:22)

YOU SAY, NO HE IS NOT.

When faced with deciding which of these two polar opposite views to accept as true and correct, that of scripture or that of yeshuaslavejeff, I have to side with scripture, every time.

We all agree with scripture, it is correct that Jesus has the Power and the Authority to be the King of this world, but it is plain, in your face; that He has not yet taken up His Throne on earth.
So your strident and overly highlighted post is wrong and we await and pray for His Kingdom to come.

Daniel Martinovich · Dec 27, 2018

Revealing Times said:
No thanks, I glanced at it and saw it was not to my taste at all........You couldn't own me on anything in the bible, especially Prophecy. You just dreaming.

Well, why fib and say I couldn’t provide an answer when I did? You could have just left The conversation.

Daniel Martinovich · Dec 27, 2018

devin553344 said:
That's interesting but perhaps your giving the bible too much power over man in that rendition. God has power over man thru the holy spirit to compel and change the outcome of wars and rulings, etc. But the bible is a record of teachings and yes some of it is prophecy, which prophecy can only be interpreted from God himself. So if you interpreting it for everyone then I would have to disagree with you most likely. Since there are very few who can interpret prophecy.

You do seem to have a lot of faith in the bible which is good, but maybe it would be good to have a little balance?

I coined a phrase for what I believe. Especially when it comes to Bible prophecy. I call it scriptualist, or scripturalism. I don't believe Bible prophecy is interpret-able by human beings, period. I further do not believe the Holy Spirit gives human beings the interpretation of Bible prophecy, unless......Or shall I say the only way the Holy Spirit shows people the interpretation of Bible prophecy is by showing them where the Bible interprets a Bible prophecy. The only exception to this rule is where there is a prophecy contained within the context of another prophecy that the Bible already interpreted. Then at least one knows approximately where to look.
Another cog in this wheel is there can be no authoritative interpretation until the prophecy has come to pass. Hindsight is a a necessary tool due to the human condition. That went for the Apostles as well as every other human being that walks the planet. They were absolutely authoritative in their understanding of prophecy that had come to pass. Not so much on prophecy that had not and the Lord himself told them thus: Acts: 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not given you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

What about the prophecy in the Bible that has no interpretation? And there is a lot of it. Like the thousand years. (Which is why it is a main focus of the uninformed.) Very simple. If you are going to give a shot at interpreting Bible prophecy that does not have an interpretation given in the Bible. Then it cannot disagree with prophecy already interpreted.

The good news about all this is the Bible does indeed interpret the big picture of prophecy for us. There is no debate once one discovers the places where it interprets that big picture. Like for instance. There are not just 2 chapters on the Bible about the New Jerusalem. There are at least 3 dozen chapters and the verses in Revelation all come out of those chapters. Taken together they paint a completely different picture than what 90% of Christians believe the New Jerusalem is prophecy about. What they are doing is what Peter warned about. He said no prophecy of scripture is of any private interpretation. They are looking at those 2 chapters and interpreting them according to what they think it all means. The proper interpretation comes from all 3 dozen chapters taken together. As far as the New Jerusalem is concerned. That is why God put so many chapters about it in the Bible. He wants us to understand what is being prophesied. I have been telling people for 3 decades now. If you want to get a real understanding of Bible prophecy. Start at the end and go backwards. Find those dozens of chapters and read them. Then you'll have a basis to proceed on to other area's.

Now believe it or not. What I said at the start of the thread is that big picture interpreted by the Bible itself. I have written hundreds of pages of articles on Bible prophecy that focus on one big thing. Pointing out in the Bible where the Bible interprets a Bible prophecy. Then once that is established. Finding the answer to prophecies that are contained within the Prophecy already interpreted by the Bible. Unless people have read my articles. They don't even know that the Bible prophesied the date of the end of the Roman Empire, 1453 AD 6 times. That was 2000 years before it happened.

If that kind of thing interests you here. Here is a link to the Bible prophecy section of the site. It is not all convoluted. It really does focus on pointing out where the Bible interprets its own prophecy.
Bible Prophecy

Revealing Times · Dec 27, 2018

Daniel Martinovich said:
Well, why fib and say I couldn’t provide an answer when I did? You could have just left The conversation.

You can't provide an answer because you are wrong. I don't go to peoples sites to read propaganda.

If you can't post in the thread I am not interested.

Daniel Martinovich · Dec 27, 2018

Revealing Times said:
You can't provide an answer because you are wrong. I don't go to peoples sites to read propaganda.

If you can't post in the thread I am not interested.

You and Doctor Reagan say the world as we know it is coming to an end and growing more and more evil as every day goes by.

Revealing Times said:
Wow, now I understand the OP. Seems you are confused as per the doctrine of Jesus Christ in General. I agree it's not "THE SECOND COMING" per se, Jesus came back after going to Heaven to offer his Sacrifice and stayed 40 days. Jesus is in our midst when two or more are gathered together, but the Second Coming JUDGMENT being nigh is scriptural brother. And the Holy word shows us it is upon us at this very time. Below I will detail it where no one can deny it !! It is called being able to see the signs of the times. Jesus stated we would know the signs. The days of Noah, the Fig Tree parable etc. etc. says that we will know the season.

The BELOW by Dr. David Reagan.

One hundred years ago in 1917 there was not one single, tangible, measurable sign that indicated we were living in the season of the Lord’s return. The first to appear was the Balfour Declaration which was issued by the British government later in that year, on November 2, 1917.

The declaration was prompted by the fact that during World War I the Turks sided with the Germans. And thus, when Germany lost the war, so did the Turks, and the victorious Allies decided to divide up both the German and Turkish empires. The Turkish territories, called the Ottoman Empire, contained the ancient homeland of the Jewish people, an area the Romans had named Palestine after the last Jewish revolt in 132 AD. Now, what most people do not realize is that in 1917 Palestine included all of modern day Israel and Jordan. And in the scheme the Allies concocted for dividing up the German and Turkish territories, Britain was allotted Palestine. This decision is what prompted the Balfour Declaration. In that document, Lord Balfour, the British Foreign Secretary, declared that it was the intention of the British government to establish in Palestine quote, “a national home for the Jewish people.”

The leading Evangelical Christian spokesman in England at the time was a man by the name of F. B. Meyer. He immediately recognized the prophetic significance of the declaration, for he was aware that the Scriptures prophesy that the Jewish people will be regathered to their homeland in unbelief right before the return of the Messiah. Meyer sent out a letter to the Evangelical leaders of England asking them to gather in London in mid-December to discuss the prophetic implications of the Balfour Declaration. In that letter, he stated, “The signs of the times point toward the close of the time of the Gentiles and the return of Jesus can be expected any moment.”

Since the time of the Balfour Declaration in 1917, we have witnessed throughout the 20th Century the appearance of sign after sign pointing to the Lord’s soon return. There are so many of these signs in fact, that one would have to be either biblically illiterate or spiritually blind not to realize that we are living on borrowed time. There are six categories of End Time Signs:

1.) The First Category of End Time Signs is The Signs of Nature. In Luke 21:11, Jesus mentioned this category when He said: “And there will be great earthquakes.

2.) The Second Category of End Time Signs is The Signs of Society. Paul mentioned this category of signs in 2 Timothy 3.

3.) The Third Category of End Time Signs is The Spiritual Signs. There are more signs in this category than any other. Many are evil in nature, but there are also some very positive ones. Concerning the negative signs, a typical passage is the following one found in 2 Timothy 4.

4.) The Fourth Category of End Time Signs is The Signs of World Politics. Jesus mentioned that category in Matthew 24 when He said: “You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. For nations will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.”

5.) The Fifth Category of Signs is The Signs of Technology. Jesus mentioned this sign in Luke 21 when He said: “Men will faint from fear over the expectation of the things which are coming upon the world; for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.” Daniel chapter 12 also mentions this.

6.) The Sixth Category of Signs is The Signs of Israel. An example of such signs can be found in Zechariah 12:3 where it says: “And it shall come about in that day that I will make Jerusalem a heavy stone for all the peoples; and all who lift it will be severely injured. And all the nations of the earth will be gathered against it.”

The signs that relate to Israel are the most important of all because the Jews are God’s prophetic time clock. What I mean by this is that the Scriptures will often tie a prophesied future event with something that will happen to the Jews. We are told to watch the Jews, and when the prophesied event concerning them occurs, we can be sure that the other prophesied event will also occur.

An example can be found in Luke 21:24 where Jesus prophesied that the Jews would be dispersed from Jerusalem and be led captive among all the nations. But, then He added that one day they would return to re-occupy Jerusalem, and when that happens, the end time events will occur that will lead to His return. There are many, many prophecies concerning the Jews in the end times, many of which began to be fulfilled in the 20th Century, but there are four key ones. The first is their worldwide regathering in unbelief which you can read about in Isaiah 11.

In 1900 there were only 40,000 Jews in Palestine. By the end of World War II their number had risen to 600,000. Today, there are more than six and a half million who have come from all over the world.

Okay, I have summarized for you six different categories of signs, each category containing many prophecies concerning the end times, all of which are being fulfilled before our very eyes. Let me conclude now by specifically listing 50 of those prophecies:

Increasing instability of nature.

Increasing lawlessness and violence.

Increasing immorality.

Increasing materialism.

Increasing Hedonism.

Increasing influence of Humanism.

Depraved entertainment.

Calling evil good and good evil.

Increasing use of drugs.

Increasing blasphemy.

Increasing paganism.

Increasing despair.

Signs in the heavens.

Increasing knowledge.

Increasing travel.

The explosion of cults.

The proliferation of false christs.

Increasing apostasy in the Church.

Increasing attacks on Jesus.

Increasing attacks on the Bible.

Increasing persecution of Christians.

Increasing occultism.

Wars and rumors of wars.

Weapons of mass destruction.

Increasing famine.

Increasing pestilence.

Computer technology.

Television.

Satellite technology.

Virtual reality.

Unification of Europe.

Far Eastern military powers.

Movement toward world government.

Regathering of the Jews.

Re-establishment of Israel.

Reclamation of the land of Israel from desolation to abundance.

Revival of Biblical Hebrew.

Re-occupation of Jerusalem.

Resurgence of the Israeli military.

Re-focusing of world politics on Israel.

Russian threat to Israel.

Arab threat to Israel.

Denial of the Second Coming.

Denial of creation by God.

Outpouring of the Holy Spirit.

Translation of the Bible into many languages.

Preaching of the Gospel worldwide.

The revival of Messianic Judaism.

The revival of Davidic praise worship.

The understanding of Bible prophecy.

Folks, this list could be greatly expanded, but the 50 examples I’ve just given you should be sufficient to show that we are living in the season of the Lord’s return. The Bible clearly teaches that God never pours out His wrath without warning for He is a just and loving God who does not wish that any should perish. That’s why He has provided so many signs to alert us to the fact that we are living on the threshold of the Tribulation.

Believe it or not, after listing all those signs of the times, I still have not mentioned the most important sign of all. Collectively, the Signs of Israel are the most important category. But there is one sign that does not fit into any category because it overreaches all the categories, and it is the most important sign of all. What I have in mind is the Sign of Convergence; the fact that all the signs are converging for the first time ever.

Folks, the bottom line message of all these signs is that we are living on borrowed time. And the crucial question for every human being is Are you ready? Are you ready for the return of Jesus? Will He come as your Blessed Hope or your Holy Terror? It will be one or the other, for God is determined to deal with sin, and He does so with either grace or wrath.

The above is by Dr. David Reagan.........

I say this is what is happening.
I will make you as a light for the nations, that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth.
Isaiah 42:1“Behold, My Servant, whom I uphold; My chosen one in whom My soul delights. I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the nations. 2“He will not cry out or raise His voice, Nor make His voice heard in the street. 3“A bruised reed He will not break And a dimly burning wick He will not extinguish; He will faithfully bring forth justice. 4“He will not be disheartened or crushed Until He has established justice in the earth; And the coastlands will wait expectantly for His law.” 5Thus says God the LORD, Who created the heavens and stretched them out, Who spread out the earth and its offspring, Who gives breath to the people on it And spirit to those who walk in it, 6“I am the LORD, I have called You in righteousness, I will also hold You by the hand and watch over You, And I will appoint You as a covenant to the people, As a light to the nations, 7To open blind eyes, To bring out prisoners from the dungeon
Psalm 72:2 He shall judge thy people with righteousness, and thy poor with judgment. 3 The mountains shall bring peace to the people, and the little hills, by righteousness. 4 He shall judge the poor of the people, he shall save the children of the needy, and shall break in pieces the oppressor. 5 They shall fear thee as long as the sun and moon endure, throughout all generations.
Psalm 22:26 The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the LORD that seek him: your heart shall live for ever. 27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the families of the nations shall worship before you. 28 For the kingdom is the LORD'S: and he is the governor among the nations.
Isaiah 60: 3 And nations shall come to your light, and kings to the brightness of your rising. 4 Lift up your eyes all around, and see; they all gather together, they come to you; your sons shall come from afar, and your daughters shall be carried on the hip. 5 Then you shall see and be radiant; your heart shall thrill and exult, because the abundance of the sea shall be turned to you, the wealth of the nations shall come to you. (ESV)
Isaiah 49:6 He says: “It is too light a thing that you should be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob and to bring back the preserved of Israel; I will make you as a light for the nations, that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth.”...8 Thus said the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard you, and in a day of salvation have I helped you: and I will preserve you, and give you for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;
Isaiah 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Isaiah 52:7 How beautiful on the mountains are the feet of him that brings good tidings, that publishes peace; that brings good tidings of good, that publishes salvation; that said to Zion, Your God reigns! ..... 10 The LORD has made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.... 13 Behold, my servant (the messiah) shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high. 14 As many were astonished at you; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: 15 So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.
Psalm 67: 1 God be merciful to us, and bless us; and cause his face to shine on us; Selah. 2 That your way may be known on earth, your saving health among all nations. 3 Let the people praise you, O God; let all the people praise you. 4 O let the nations be glad and sing for joy: for you shall judge the people righteously, and govern the nations on earth. Selah. 5 Let the people praise you, O God; let all the people praise you. 6 Then shall the earth yield her increase; and God, even our own God, shall bless us. 7 God shall bless us; and all the ends of the earth shall fear him.
Psalm 82: 8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for you shall inherit all nations.
Psalm 86: 9 All nations whom you have made shall come and worship before you, O Lord; and shall glorify your name.

Isaiah 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow to it. 3 And many people shall go and say, Come you, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
A word about this last prophecy. The Lords house is his people. Indisputable NT apostolic declaration. The Mountain of the Lord in prophecy is his invisible kingdom. All nations shall flow to it and say, Come you, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: Where do people go to be taught of the Lord and to learn his ways and walk in his paths? Well for the last 2000 years to a Church, or the Bible or a Christian. They shall beat their swords and their spears into farming instruments? That is a prophecy about how this invisible kingdoms influnce is spread in the earth. The farmer sows the Word. Not by force, not by the sword.
Nations not lifting up sword against nation? The nations that are founded in Biblical principle. Where the Gospel has been been preached for centuries in power are not conquering their neighbors and looting their wealth, selling the captives into slavery. The norm of the ancient world. Or as another similar prophecy says.
Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. 7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Makes for a nice picture hanging in a child's Sunday school class. But these animals illustrate nations under the influnce of Gods Word, his People, the Gospel, .....or Gods invisible kingdom. (In this age of promise.)

Daniel Martinovich · Dec 27, 2018

Johnny4ChristJesus said:
And what if you are wrong? What if what you envision is not how God is going to bring it about? What if when God does it, it truly will be Jesus Christ returning and establishing His kingdom without man doing a thing? The Revelation I read is that there will still be people on earth who can't enter into the holy city due to sin. What if the idea that God left it into man's hands to "change the world" is the lie that people believe and sell to make a name for themselves? I'm not saying that what many others say is true is really True. What I'm asking you is the same question you asked us, what if you are wrong?

Do these verses, just a few of a hundred chapters like them sound wrong to you?
Isaiah 42:1“Behold, My Servant, whom I uphold; My chosen one in whom My soul delights. I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the nations. 2“He will not cry out or raise His voice, Nor make His voice heard in the street. 3“A bruised reed He will not break And a dimly burning wick He will not extinguish; He will faithfully bring forth justice. 4“He will not be disheartened or crushed Until He has established justice in the earth; And the coastlands will wait expectantly for His law.” 5Thus says God the LORD, Who created the heavens and stretched them out, Who spread out the earth and its offspring, Who gives breath to the people on it And spirit to those who walk in it, 6“I am the LORD, I have called You in righteousness, I will also hold You by the hand and watch over You, And I will appoint You as a covenant to the people, As a light to the nations, 7To open blind eyes, To bring out prisoners from the dungeon
Psalm 72:2 He shall judge thy people with righteousness, and thy poor with judgment. 3 The mountains shall bring peace to the people, and the little hills, by righteousness. 4 He shall judge the poor of the people, he shall save the children of the needy, and shall break in pieces the oppressor. 5 They shall fear thee as long as the sun and moon endure, throughout all generations.
Psalm 22:26 The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the LORD that seek him: your heart shall live for ever. 27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the families of the nations shall worship before you. 28 For the kingdom is the LORD'S: and he is the governor among the nations.
Isaiah 60: 3 And nations shall come to your light, and kings to the brightness of your rising. 4 Lift up your eyes all around, and see; they all gather together, they come to you; your sons shall come from afar, and your daughters shall be carried on the hip. 5 Then you shall see and be radiant; your heart shall thrill and exult, because the abundance of the sea (meaning the nations) shall be turned to you, the wealth of the nations shall come to you. (ESV)
Isaiah 49:6 He says: “It is too light a thing that you should be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob and to bring back the preserved of Israel; I will make you as a light for the nations, that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth.”...8 Thus said the LORD, In an acceptable time have I heard you, and in a day of salvation have I helped you: and I will preserve you, and give you for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;
Isaiah 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Isaiah 52:7 How beautiful on the mountains are the feet of him that brings good tidings, that publishes peace; that brings good tidings of good, that publishes salvation; that said to Zion, Your God reigns! ..... 10 The LORD has made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.... 13 Behold, my servant (the messiah) shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high. 14 As many were astonished at you; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: 15 So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.
Psalm 67: 1 God be merciful to us, and bless us; and cause his face to shine on us; Selah. 2 That your way may be known on earth, your saving health among all nations. 3 Let the people praise you, O God; let all the people praise you. 4 O let the nations be glad and sing for joy: for you shall judge the people righteously, and govern the nations on earth. Selah. 5 Let the people praise you, O God; let all the people praise you. 6 Then shall the earth yield her increase; and God, even our own God, shall bless us. 7 God shall bless us; and all the ends of the earth shall fear him.
Psalm 82: 8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for you shall inherit all nations.
Psalm 86: 9 All nations whom you have made shall come and worship before you, O Lord; and shall glorify your name.
Isaiah 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow to it. 3 And many people shall go and say, Come you, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
A word about this last prophecy. The Lords house is his people. Indisputable NT apostolic declaration. The Mountain of the Lord in prophecy is his invisible kingdom. All nations shall flow to it and say, Come you, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: Where do people go to be taught of the Lord and to learn his ways and walk in his paths? Well for the last 2000 years to a Church, or the Bible or a Christian. They shall beat their swords and their spears into farming instruments? That is a prophecy about how this invisible kingdoms influnce is spread in the earth. The farmer sows the Word. Not by force, not by the sword.
Nations not lifting up sword against nation? The nations that are founded in Biblical principle. Where the Gospel has been been preached for centuries in power are not conquering their neighbors and looting their wealth, selling the captives into slavery. The norm of the ancient world. Or as another similar prophecy says.
Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. 7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. 8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
Makes for a nice picture hanging in a child's Sunday school class. But these animals illustrate nations under the influnce of Gods Word, his People, the Gospel, .....or Gods invisible kingdom. (In this age of promise.)

yeshuaslavejeff · Dec 27, 2018

Daniel Martinovich said:
Do these verses, just a few of a hundred chapters like them sound wrong to you?

I think you know already that no one says it is the verses, and obviously it is not God's Word that is wrong.
It is twisting His Word that anyone would think wrong, if anything.

Daniel Martinovich · Dec 27, 2018

Jason0047 said:
Revelation 1:7 says,
"Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen."

Revelation 19 says,
11 "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

Jason, here are just a few OT prophecies about coming judgment against OT nations, recorded in the OT as fulfilled that use the same language as the NT concerning judgements coming to NT nations. Specifically about clouds. We could do this with about just about every prophetic illustrative phrase in the NT about judgement coming to NT nations.

What are the clouds of heaven Jesus refers to?

There are two types of clouds Jesus could be referring to in this statement. The first is the obvious. In exactly the same manner this language was used to describe days of judgment where the Lord came in the Old Testament. Days of the Lord that that proceeded this prophecy about end of the Old covenant age. Literal clouds in the sky were used in a descriptive manner about those days and this one. This first one is from Zephaniah, approximately 638 BC. The day of the Lord being prophesied here is about Nebuchadnezzar's Babylon destroying all the nations around Judea and razing Jerusalem to the ground.
Zephaniah 1: 14 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hastens greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. 15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of devastation and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
Joel's prophecy about 835 BC is also about Nebuchadnezzar's Babylon. Or it could also be viewed as a prophecy about the entire age of the four Gentile empires. Jerusalem was completely destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar. Later rebuilt in very troubling times. Then completely destroyed by the Romans.
Joel 1:15 Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come. .... 2:1 1 Blow you the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD comes, for it is near at hand; 2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread on the mountains: a great people and a strong; there has not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
Same thing with Ezekiel, a prophecy about Nebuchadnezzar's destruction of the nations around Judea.
Ezekiel 30: 1. The word of the Lord came again to me, saying, 2. Son of man, prophesy and say, Thus says the Lord God; Wail, Alas the day! 3. For the day is near, even the day of the Lord is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen. 4. And the sword shall come upon Egypt, and great pain shall be in Ethiopia, when the slain shall fall in Egypt, and they shall take away her multitude, and her foundations shall be broken down. 5. Ethiopia, and Libya, and Lydia, and all the mingled people, and Chub, and the men of the land that is in league, shall fall with them by the sword....10. Thus says the Lord God; I will also make the multitude of Egypt to cease by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon. 11. He and his people with him, the terrible of the nations, shall be brought to destroy the land: and they shall draw their swords against Egypt, and fill the land with the slain.
A prophecy about Nebuchadnezzar's Babylon destroying Egypt.
Isaiah 19:1The burden of Egypt. Behold, the LORD rides upon a swift cloud, and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it. 2 And I will set the Egyptians against the Egyptians: and they shall fight every one against his brother, and every one against his neighbor; city against city, and kingdom against kingdom. 3 And the spirit of Egypt shall fail in the midst thereof; and I will destroy the counsel thereof: and they shall seek to the idols, and to the charmers, and to them that have familiar spirits, and to the wizards. 4 And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them, says the Lord, the LORD of hosts.

So one can see in those scriptures that the language Jesus is using to describe his coming and the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD is the exact same language he used to describe his coming and the destruction of the nations around Judea centuries earlier. The language his prophecy uses of his coming in the NT is not "unique" other than the fact it is talking about the end of the Old Covenant age. Based on the scripture one cannot say it is still to be fulfilled in the future because nothing has ever happened that fits the phraseology being used. Unless of course one is not familiar enough with the Bible to see that the same wording was used in prophecies already recorded as fulfilled in the OT. There is however another type of cloud that could be construed as speaking to his coming and the fulfillment of prophecy about the messiah. The cloud of his power. A manifestation of the Holy Spirit displayed in all the works of power, miracles and healings wrought through the hands and Jesus and his disciple's that preceded the end. To put it another way. The miracles, signs and wonders that accompanied the appearing of the Messiah were part of the fulfillment of the great body of prophecy concerning the end the end of the Old Covenant Age.

Exodus 13:21 And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night: 22 He took not away the pillar of the cloud by day, nor the pillar of fire by night, from before the people.
Exodus 40:34 Then a cloud covered the tent of the congregation, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle. 35 And Moses was not able to enter into the tent of the congregation, because the cloud abode thereon, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.
Leviticus: 16:2 And the LORD said unto Moses, Speak unto Aaron thy brother, that he come not at all times into the holy place within the veil before the mercy seat, which is upon the ark; that he die not: for I will appear in the cloud upon the mercy seat.
II Chronicles 5:1 Thus all the work that Solomon made for the house of the LORD was finished: and Solomon brought in all the things that David his father had dedicated; and the silver, and the gold, and all the instruments, put he among the treasures of the house of God. 2 Then Solomon assembled the elders of Israel, and all the heads of the tribes, the chief of the fathers of the children of Israel, unto Jerusalem, to bring up the ark of the covenant of the LORD out of the city of David, which is Zion...... 11 And it came to pass, when the priests were come out of the holy place: (for all the priests that were present were sanctified, and did not then wait by course: 12 Also the Levites which were the singers, all of them of Asaph, of Heman, of Jeduthun, with their sons and their brethren, being arrayed in white linen, having cymbals and psalteries and harps, stood at the east end of the altar, and with them an hundred and twenty priests sounding with trumpets

13 It came even to pass, as the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the LORD; and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of music, and praised the LORD, saying, For he is good; for his mercy endures for ever: that then the house was filled with a cloud, even the house of the LORD; 14 So that the priests could not stand (Stand up, they fell , or modern lingo, slain in the spirit.) to minister by reason of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of God.
Ezekiel 10:1 Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament that was above the head of the cherubim there appeared over them as it were a sapphire stone, as the appearance of the likeness of a throne. 2 And he spoke to the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels, even under the cherub, and fill your hand with coals of fire from between the cherubim, and scatter them over the city. And he went in in my sight. 3 Now the cherubim stood on the right side of the house, when the man went in; and the cloud filled the inner court. 4 Then the glory of the LORD went up from the cherub, and stood over the threshold of the house; and the house was filled with the cloud, and the court was full of the brightness of the LORD's glory.
Matthew 17:1 And after six days Jesus takes Peter, James, and John his brother, and brings them up into an high mountain apart, 2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. 3 And, behold, there appeared to them Moses and Elias talking with him. 4 Then answered Peter, and said to Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if you will, let us make here three tabernacles; one for you, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. 5 While he yet spoke, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear you him. 6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid. 7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid. 8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.
Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
Revelation 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and on the cloud one sat like to the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in your sickle, and reap: for the time is come for you to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. 16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped. (Speaking of the salvation in the nations) 17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. 18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in your sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. 19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great wine press of the wrath of God. (Speaking of the judgments of the nations.)

I'll just leave it at clouds right now. But a clue. The sword that proceeds out of Jesus' mouth is an illustration of his Word. The word that we have and we preach.

Daniel Martinovich · Dec 27, 2018

yeshuaslavejeff said:
I think you know already that no one says it is the verses, and obviously it is not God's Word that is wrong.
It is twisting His Word that anyone would think wrong, if anything.

I see. Lets just start with one of them then.
Isaiah 42:1“Behold, My Servant, whom I uphold; My chosen one in whom My soul delights. I have put My Spirit upon Him; He will bring forth justice to the nations. 2“He will not cry out or raise His voice, Nor make His voice heard in the street. 3“A bruised reed He will not break And a dimly burning wick He will not extinguish; He will faithfully bring forth justice. 4“He will not be disheartened or crushed Until He has established justice in the earth; And the coastlands will wait expectantly for His law.” 5Thus says God the LORD, Who created the heavens and stretched them out, Who spread out the earth and its offspring, Who gives breath to the people on it And spirit to those who walk in it, 6“I am the LORD, I have called You in righteousness, I will also hold You by the hand and watch over You, And I will appoint You as a covenant to the people, As a light to the nations, 7To open blind eyes, To bring out prisoners from the dungeon.

Now the NT quotes this as referring to the Messiah. Matthew 12:A bruised reed he will not break, and a smoldering wick he will not snuff out, till he has brought justice through to victory.

The only thing I see twisted in this is that it does not fit the pop culture end time teachings false narrative about the future. It says what I said is happening. Jesus is doing this in the earth. I ask you to consider. What if this is what Christ is doing? What if you believe as the people of the first century believed. The Messiah will come in riding on a white horse and supernaturally impose righteousness on the world. But they were wrong. What if the prophecies about an age of promise come to pass because of the influnce of the Bible that people started getting in their hands 500 years ago. And because of the preaching and teaching of the Gospel and God's providential and miraculous work in the earth through his people? In other words through influnce not force. In other words not a utopia but a world where evil exists, but is no longer the dominate influence? Because of the influence of good, it is no longer able to dominate the world and enslave the peoples as it had for the 8 millennia prior to this age?

devin553344 · Dec 28, 2018

Daniel Martinovich said:
I coined a phrase for what I believe. Especially when it comes to Bible prophecy. I'm it a scriptualist, or scripturalism. I don't believe Bible prophecy is interpret-able by human beings, period. I further do not believe the Holy Spirit gives human beings the interpretation of Bible prophecy, unless......Or shall I say the only way the Holy Spirit shows people the interpretation of Bible prophecy is by showing them where the Bible interprets a Bible prophecy. The only exception to this rule is where there is a prophecy contained within the context of another prophecy that the Bible already interpreted. Then at least one knows approximately where to look.
Another cog in this wheel is there can be no authoritative interpretation until the prophecy has come to pass. Hindsight is a a necessary tool due to the human condition. That went for the Apostles as well as every other human being that walks the planet. They were absolutely authoritative in their understanding of prophecy that had come to pass. Not so much on prophecy that had not and the Lord himself told them thus: Acts: 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not given you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

What about the prophecy in the Bible that has no interpretation? And there is a lot of it. Like the thousand years. (Which is why it is a main focus of the uninformed.) Very simple. If you are going to give a shot at interpreting Bible prophecy that does not have an interpretation given in the Bible. Then it cannot disagree with prophecy already interpreted.

The good news about all this is the Bible does indeed interpret the big picture of prophecy for us. There is no debate once one discovers the places where it interprets that big picture. Like for instance. There are not just 2 chapters on the Bible about the New Jerusalem. There are at least 3 dozen chapters and the verses in Revelation all come out of those chapters. Taken together they paint a completely different picture than what 90% of Christians believe the New Jerusalem is prophecy about. What they are doing is what Peter warned about. He said no prophecy of scripture is of any private interpretation. They are looking at those 2 chapters and interpreting them according to what they think it all means. The proper interpretation comes from all 3 dozen chapters taken together. As far as the New Jerusalem is concerned. That is why God put so many chapters about it in the Bible. He wants us to understand what is being prophesied. I have been telling people for 3 decades now. If you want to get a real understanding of Bible prophecy. Start at the end and go backwards. Find those dozens of chapters and read them. Then you'll have a basis to proceed on to other area's.

Now believe it or not. What I said at the start of the thread is that big picture interpreted by the Bible itself. I have written hundreds of pages of articles on Bible prophecy that focus on one big thing. Pointing out in the Bible where the Bible interprets a Bible prophecy. Then once that is established. Finding the answer to prophecies that are contained within the Prophecy already interpreted by the Bible. Unless people have read my articles. They don't even know that the Bible prophesied the date of the end of the Roman Empire, 1453 AD 6 times. That was 2000 years before it happened.

If that kind of thing interests you here. Here is a link to the Bible prophecy section of the site. It is not all convoluted. It really does focus on pointing out where the Bible interprets its own prophecy.
Bible Prophecy

Well it sounds like you've been studying bible prophecy quite a bit. So I'll stay out of it I think. Anyways, thanks for the reply

Revealing Times · Dec 28, 2018

Daniel Martinovich said:
You and Doctor Reagan say the world as we know it is coming to an end and growing more and more evil as every day goes by.

Wrong, Jesus is taking control of this world just like the bible says in Revelation. So the evil will END PERMANENTLY when Jesus takes over and locks Satan in the bottomless pit for 1000 years, but this earth will carry on with Jesus as the King, thus we will juxtapose the earth under Jesus vs the earth under Satan for 6000 some odd years. It will be a testament against Satan and all who love evil.

Rev. 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Daniel Martinovich said:
I say this is what is happening.
I will make you as a light for the nations, that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth.

At the Second Coming !! Jesus is the Suffering Servant and the Conquering King, he has to return before he can be the Conquering King !!

Daniel Martinovich said:
A word about this last prophecy. The Lords house is his people. Indisputable NT apostolic declaration. The Mountain of the Lord in prophecy is his invisible kingdom. All nations shall flow to it and say, Come you, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: Where do people go to be taught of the Lord and to learn his ways and walk in his paths? Well for the last 2000 years to a Church, or the Bible or a Christian. They shall beat their swords and their spears into farming instruments? That is a prophecy about how this invisible kingdoms influnce is spread in the earth. The farmer sows the Word. Not by force, not by the sword.
Nations not lifting up sword against nation? The nations that are founded in Biblical principle. Where the Gospel has been been preached for centuries in power are not conquering their neighbors and looting their wealth, selling the captives into slavery. The norm of the ancient world. Or as another similar prophecy says.

All these are post Second Coming except the plows being beating by Israel, that is in reference to a Nation (Israel) before they even accept Jesus, God is showing that after 2000 years they will be back in the land, wanting peace, but they will not get it because of course this world hates the Jews because this world is evil, because this world follows its fathe Satan.

Daniel Martinovich said:
Makes for a nice picture hanging in a child's Sunday school class. But these animals illustrate nations under the influnce of Gods Word, his People, the Gospel, .....or Gods invisible kingdom. (In this age of promise.)

Post the Second Coming, REREAD Isaiah 10, the Assyrian is the Anti-Christ who gets defeated in chapter 10, thus the Wolf will indeed lie down with the Lamb.

P.S. When I see someone that posts so much scripture, it tells me they don't know how to tie scriptures together as was intended, via their own words.

For example, I can tell you Isaiah 10 is the Anti-Christ Assyrian, God breaks his burdensome yoke on Israel, then we see that there is peace in all the world in Isaiah 11. Now that demonstrates what actually happens in a couple of sentences. REREAD Isaiah 10 and 11 together now.

So....what if your wrong?

Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

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