Persecuted in America

SkyWriting said:

Acts covers things that were done in history. Yes, they were wrong.
All the apostles died defending Christ. No one has indicated since that time that we should follow their lead and die opposing the local laws.

Oh people do play that they have permission to die for Christ. But you don't hear any cheers when people do. It's wrong to ignore local law. We all know that.

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*Sigh* Not at the expense of God's moral laws.
We ought to obey God rather than men.
Yes, we are to obey the government but only if it does not conflict with God's laws. You seem to place government authority as being above God's laws which is really odd and strange.

Jason0047 said:

*Sigh* Not at the expense of God's moral laws.
We ought to obey God rather than men.
Yes, we are to obey the government but only if it does not conflict with God's laws. You seem to place government authority as being above God's laws which is really odd and strange.

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Go ahead. Follow scripture then if that suits you:


Romans 13:1-7
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

1 Peter 2:13-17
Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.

Titus 3:1
Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,

1 Timothy 2:1-3
First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior,

Psalm 22:28
For kingship belongs to the Lord, and he rules over the nations.

Daniel 2:20-21
Daniel answered and said: “Blessed be the name of God ... He changes times and seasons; he removes kings and sets up kings

Deuteronomy 16 Justice, and only justice, you shall follow, that you may live and inherit the land that the Lord your God is giving you.

Proverbs 21:1
The king's heart is a stream of water in the hand of the Lord; he turns it wherever he will.

John 19:11
Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above.

1 Peter 2:13
Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good.

Proverbs 8:15
By me kings reign, and rulers decree what is just;


Very odd and strange. The opposite is true of course.
Nobody breaks the law claiming religious exception.
Some have tried.

Never obey God over the law of man.
Jonestown 1978

Jason0047 said:

Does this include future sin?
Most in your camp believe that future sin is forgiven them but nowhere does the Bible teach such a thing.

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Did you check first? These passages explain that there is no
pa-rt-ial sal-vat-ion that only covers certain times or areas.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Isaiah 43:25
“I, I am he who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins.

Hebrews 8:12
For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more.”

Psalm 103:12
As far as the east is from the west, so far does he remove our transgressions from us.

Hebrews 10:17
Then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”

Micah 7:19
He will again have compassion on us; he will tread our iniquities underfoot. You will cast all our sins into the depths of the sea.

Jeremiah 31:34
And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

Isaiah 1:18
“Come now, let us reason together, says the Lord: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool.

Ephesians 1:7
In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace,

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

Ephesians 4:32
Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.

Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Isaiah 55:7
Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; let him return to the Lord, that he may have compassion on him, and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Matthew 6:15
But if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Ezekiel 18:22
None of the transgressions that he has committed shall be remembered against him; for the righteousness that he has done he shall live.

Jason0047 said:

*Sigh* Not at the expense of God's moral laws. We ought to obey God rather than men. Yes, we are to obey the government but only if it does not conflict with God's laws. You seem to place government authority as being above God's laws which is really odd and strange.

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Crucifixion. Mans laws are given by God's plans.

Brian Mcnamee said:

I have ripped my garments and thrown ashes on my head at your view of what it right and wrong.

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Jesus obeyed the local government. His death had a bit o' value.

W2L said:

Please answer my past 2 posts too, thank you.

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Anything else?

SkyWriting said:

Anything else?

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Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. 8 For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.