So....what if your wrong?

SkyWriting · Dec 25, 2018

Daniel Martinovich said:
The whole of scripture spoke of an age of promise where circumstances in nations were such that believers could gain the opportunity to have the earthly promises of God made to a thousand generations of saints fulfilled in their lives. Promises that never saw their fulfillment in the lives of those generations of saints. Along with other prophecies, Daniel chapter 2 and chapter 7 told us exactly when that age would begin. When the 4th of four Gentile empires named in scripture came to an end. The Roman Empire was the 4th and did not end until what had been its capitol since 333 AD, Constantinople was conquered and the last Roman Emperor killed in 1453 AD.

Only God truly knew what tool would finally give his people the power to overcome a world completely ruled by evil through despotic human government. What would bring about the change in peoples hearts necessary to overcome evil with good. That tool was the Bible in the hands of general population. This started happening immediately after the fall of that fourth empire. The Bible in the hands of the general population was the final instrument needed for the purpose of God relating to the promise of a world where righteousness dwells. The age hoped for by all those generations of saints that they could only sow the seeds necessary to bring it about; but could not have themselves. Then, the discovery of the America's, lands without modern empires 30 years after the after the age of the four gentile empires also provided a distant and safe haven for a Bible reading people. A base of operations from which God could spread his word which yields as its fruit the free world.

That is the good news. The bad news is his purpose in the earth has been greatly hampered by his peoples acceptance of false prophecy in the guise of end time prophecy teachings. False prophecy that by its very nature is designed to stifle the personal development necessary in individuals to enable them to accomplish all of Gods purposes in their lives. Which is service capable of overcoming evil in powerful places and grows the moral and free world. But false prophecy, just as it is designed to do, has robbed the vast majority of Gods people of the scriptural vision of the future necessary to personally developed in such a way as to be even remotely capable of doing ones part in Christ to crush the evils of our generation with good. To be that mountain of influence that is higher than all the mountains in the earth. Instead the Biblically illiterate application of the end time prophecies of the Old Covenant Age and the Age of the Four Gentile Empires to this Age of Promise as some kind of an end of the world apocalyptic scenario has caused Gods people to spiritually, intellectually and physically retreat into a false hope that Jesus will come some day and set up a physical\visible kingdom. Which of course requires nothing on their part to bring to pass.

Yet the world God did envision in his Word, prophesy about and promise requires everything from his people and those who ally themselves with them to bring to pass. It is his providence at work. We can accept the truth and the sure prophetic word of scripture and work with that. Or, we can accept false prophecy in the guise of pop culture end time teachings and reap what we sow. The wicked will reign and rule over us and seize the inheritance of the saints, which is this world, for themselves. Now I'm not saying Gods plan will fail. But I am saying he will just let generations die in the wilderness until he finds some that will trust him , trust his Word and work with him to enter into that promised land.

Pop culture is a thing. Generally the polar opposite of prophetic.

Daniel Martinovich · Dec 25, 2018

SkyWriting said:
Pop culture is a thing. Certainly not known to be prophetic.

Exactly

Messenger 3k · Dec 25, 2018

Daniel Martinovich said:
The whole of scripture spoke of an age of promise where circumstances in nations were such that believers could gain the opportunity to have the earthly promises of God made to a thousand generations of saints fulfilled in their lives. Promises that never saw their fulfillment in the lives of those generations of saints. Along with other prophecies, Daniel chapter 2 and chapter 7 told us exactly when that age would begin. When the 4th of four Gentile empires named in scripture came to an end. The Roman Empire was the 4th and did not end until what had been its capitol since 333 AD, Constantinople was conquered and the last Roman Emperor killed in 1453 AD.

Only God truly knew what tool would finally give his people the power to overcome a world completely ruled by evil through despotic human government. What would bring about the change in peoples hearts necessary to overcome evil with good. That tool was the Bible in the hands of general population. This started happening immediately after the fall of that fourth empire. The Bible in the hands of the general population was the final instrument needed for the purpose of God relating to the promise of a world where righteousness dwells. The age hoped for by all those generations of saints that they could only sow the seeds necessary to bring it about; but could not have themselves. Then, the discovery of the America's, lands without modern empires 30 years after the after the age of the four gentile empires also provided a distant and safe haven for a Bible reading people. A base of operations from which God could spread his word which yields as its fruit the free world.

That is the good news. The bad news is his purpose in the earth has been greatly hampered by his peoples acceptance of false prophecy in the guise of end time prophecy teachings. False prophecy that by its very nature is designed to stifle the personal development necessary in individuals to enable them to accomplish all of Gods purposes in their lives. Which is service capable of overcoming evil in powerful places and grows the moral and free world. But false prophecy, just as it is designed to do, has robbed the vast majority of Gods people of the scriptural vision of the future necessary to personally developed in such a way as to be even remotely capable of doing ones part in Christ to crush the evils of our generation with good. To be that mountain of influence that is higher than all the mountains in the earth. Instead the Biblically illiterate application of the end time prophecies of the Old Covenant Age and the Age of the Four Gentile Empires to this Age of Promise as some kind of an end of the world apocalyptic scenario has caused Gods people to spiritually, intellectually and physically retreat into a false hope that Jesus will come some day and set up a physical\visible kingdom. Which of course requires nothing on their part to bring to pass.

Yet the world God did envision in his Word, prophesy about and promise requires everything from his people and those who ally themselves with them to bring to pass. It is his providence at work. We can accept the truth and the sure prophetic word of scripture and work with that. Or, we can accept false prophecy in the guise of pop culture end time teachings and reap what we sow. The wicked will reign and rule over us and seize the inheritance of the saints, which is this world, for themselves. Now I'm not saying Gods plan will fail. But I am saying he will just let generations die in the wilderness until he finds some that will trust him , trust his Word and work with him to enter into that promised land.

Wait, so Jesus is not coming again?

shilohsfoal · Dec 25, 2018

Daniel Martinovich said:
Lol, That is a pretty narrow vision. God's is a tad bit bigger.
Matt. 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Psalm 37:11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
And again, keep this within my context. Either this is going to happen because the saints are so influential that the world accepts their judgements of right and wrong, (the saints shall judge the world.) That nations order their affairs according to varying degrees Biblical principle. (Which has been happening for centuries.) Problem is the saints have to believe that this is their responsibility and with Gods guidance and help possible. It's what they'd have to believe the Bible prophesied would happen. That it is the the way where there would be a world where righteousness exists.

Or it will happen according to the various pop culture end time teachings where Jesus comes back riding a white horse and supernaturally imposes righteousness on the world. In which case our only real mandate is winning the lost so they can go to heaven.

Problem is; What if I'm right? What kind of effect are these end time doctrines having on the saints? On their personal growth in grace? Seeing how they have accepted false prophecy about their futures as gospel truth. It didn't end well for ancient Israel when they did this.

Im not one of those who are to rule the nations.I am one of the nations.In other words,i am not of the kingdom now belonging to the beast.I live in the northetn kingdom which destroys most of the middle east.

Douggg · Dec 25, 2018

David Kent said:
Well I didn't write the OP but I would say futurism in general and didpensationalism in particular

I was wondering about the pop culture connection. What was being referred to with that comment?

Douggg · Dec 25, 2018

SkyWriting said:
Pop culture is a thing. Generally the polar opposite of prophetic.

"thing" is pretty ambigious. I am not understanding the connection to pop culture.

Daniel Martinovich · Dec 25, 2018

Messenger 3k said:
Wait, so Jesus is not coming again?

Here is what I am trying to communicate. Jesus said this to the religious leaders of his day. Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye. One of he things he meant was that their traditions which were false renderings of the Word of God were making the truth of scripture powerless to bear the fruit of righteousness. The coming of the Lord is an established Old Testament experience and therefore doctrine. But a tradition of men has arisen that renders the Word of God's teaching on the subject false and powerless to effect righteousness. That doctrine adds the extra Biblical phrase "the second" coming. The phrase "the second coming" is not found in the New Testament. It takes the OT record of their experiences of the physical\ literal coming of the Lord in judgement. Or to establish his will or promise or salvation and turns it into an apocalyptic end of the world as we know it scenario that is complete void of any scriptural basis. Here is a list I started but have not finished of the coming of the Lord throughout history in the Bible.

In Genesis 2-3. The first record of the Jehovah The Word, (Jesus) coming down to the earth bringing judgment and salvation.
Genesis 2: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the day that you eat to it you shall surely die....6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Genesis 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden. Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Genesis 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them. (A figure and prophecy of the atonement to come.) Romans 5:11.... but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

In Genesis 7. Jehovah comes down in a world wide judgment of the flood and shuts the door on the ark bringing salvation to righteous.
Genesis 7:15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life. 16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.
In Genesis 18, as addressed by Abraham. Jehovah and two angels come down to earth, have dinner with Abraham.
Genesis 18:1 And Jehovah appeared to Abraham in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
After dinner the Lord promises to return to Abraham to fulfill his promise. Sort of the same language Jesus uses in the NT returning to fulfill promise.
10 And he said, I will certainly return to you according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah your wife shall have a son. John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you to myself; that where I am, there you may be also.
Then they discuss the pending judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah and the salvation of the righteous. This was fulfilled shortly after and Lot and whoever would believe him would find salvation from it.
20 And the Jehovah said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; 21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.

Here is a prophecy and fulfillment about the coming of the Lord in judgment against Egypt and to bring salvation and fulfill a promise and purpose in his people. Fulfilled in Exodus
Genesis15:13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that your seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; 14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

Exodus 3:7 And the LORD said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows; 8 And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large....

This is a prophecy about four generations of Israelites enslaved in Egypt with a promise to Abraham of purpose. That when the iniquity of the Amorites idolatry runs its full course into the depths of depravity. God will judge them and give their land to the children of Israel. The Lord came to fulfill this in the time of Joshua.
Genesis 15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come here again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
Joshua 5:13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went to him, and said to him, Are you for us, or for our adversaries? 14 And he said, No; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said to him, What says my lord to his servant?

In Micah 1 the coming the Lord to judge the kingdom of Israel and Judah. This came to pass when the Assyrians annexed the kingdom of Israel and Babylon annexed Judea and razed Jerusalem to the ground.
Micah 1: 3 For, behold, the LORD comes forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread on the high places of the earth. 4 And the mountains shall be molten under him, and the valleys shall be cleft, as wax before the fire, and as the waters that are poured down a steep place. 5 For the transgression of Jacob is all this, and for the sins of the house of Israel. What is the transgression of Jacob? is it not Samaria? and what are the high places of Judah? are they not Jerusalem? 6 Therefore I will make Samaria as an heap of the field, and as plantings of a vineyard: and I will pour down the stones thereof into the valley, and I will discover the foundations thereof.
Notice in verse 4 that the same language used to describe the destruction of these two Old Testament kingdoms is used by Peter to prophesy what many think is some end of the world scenario but in reality is a prophecy of the end of the Old Covenant Age and the end of the age of the four gentile empires.

Here is a reference to show that the Apostle Paul calling the coming of the Lord and the day of the Lord the same thing.
2:1 Now we beseech you, brothers, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together to him, 2 That you be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
This is a prophecy about the day of the Lord coming upon Nebuchadnezzar's Babylon at the hands of the Medo\Persians. Fulfilled almost 200 years later in 539 BC.
Isaiah 13: 6 Howl you; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty. 7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt: 8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travails: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames. 9 Behold, the day of the LORD comes, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. 10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. 11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogance of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. 12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir. 13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it. 18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children. 19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
Notice Jesus uses the same language to prophecy the Destruction of Jerusalem. Fulfilled approx. 40 years later in 70AD.
Mark 13:24. But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25. And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. Or, Johns prophecy about the destruction of Jerusalem. Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, look, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, even as a fig tree casts her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Same language used in Isaiah's prophecy about the destruction of Edom fulfilled in the 4th-5th century BC.
Isaiah 34: 3 Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcasses, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood. 4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falls off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. 5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down on Idumea, and on the people of my curse, to judgment...... 8 For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompenses for the controversy of Zion.

Now I apologize that the list of these days of the coming of the lord is not complete. I do have another article on that goes through some of the others if your interested on this link.
The Coming Or The Day Of The Lord

My point being. There is no such thing as "a second" coming of the Lord. Only his coming of which there are numerous prophecies in the NT of different times he would come in judgement. One of them was at the end of the OT age. Another in judgement against the city of Rome. Later against the entire empire and to usher in this age of promise. But he still literally and physically comes in judgment against nations and peoples for their wrong doings and murder of the saints just like in the OT. Likewise he comes to churches just like he did in Revelation. THIS IS THE DOCTRINE OF THE COMING OF THE LORD. The "second coming," a future end of the world scenario that erroneously uses the end time prophecies of the old covenant age and then the end time prophecies about the end of the age of the four gentile empires is false prophecy. Its design is to do exactly what I pointed out.

So yes, Jesus has and will continue to come again. No he will not be coming the way the various pop culture end time prophecy teachings have him come.

Daniel Martinovich · Dec 25, 2018

Douggg said:
I was wondering about the pop culture connection. What was being referred to with that comment?

Popular culture. Christianity has a popular culture and traditions every bit as onerous as the religious leaders had in ancient Israel. I'll give you some examples. I live in the southwest USA. Its the land of mega churches. There are hundreds of them. My city has a dozen Christian radio stations. I can channel surf any time of the day and I will hear teachings on the "end times" 24-7. I can go to 90% of the churches and hear the same teachings on the end times. There are a few that have dominionist teachings but their teachings still end up in the end times. I can go to churches that teach the left behind series as Biblical doctrine. I could turn on TBN and hear numerous teachings and movies on the end times and that is world wide 24-7. There are tens of thousands of books and hundreds of corny stupid movies on various flavors of end time teachings. It is a billion dollar a year media industry.
I might find an old James D Kennedy radio broadcast on that at least teaches the ah-millenialism of the founders of the free world. But that is about it.
That is what I mean by pop culture end time teachings. The church, Christian sects like Mormonism, the world, Hollywood movies unless it involves aliens, and the worlds false religions like Islam, Hinduism etc etc are engulfed and taken captive by apocalyptic end of the world scenarios. Isn't it just like God to speak the opposite in his Word?

I do have to give credit to the Catholics for being a little more circumspect with scripture on this issue.

Douggg · Dec 25, 2018

Daniel Martinovich said:
That doctrine adds the extra Biblical phrase "the second" coming. The phrase "the second coming" is not found in the New Testament.

Hebrew 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Douggg · Dec 25, 2018

Daniel Martinovich said:
That is what I mean by pop culture end time teachings.

The abbreviated form of popular culture to me has to do with one form of music associated with young people.

ItIsFinished! · Dec 25, 2018

SMH.
It should be obviously clear without a doubt that we are on the cusp of the end of days.
Google how many genders there are for starters .
Imagine this God forsaken world when the Church and restraints of the Holy Spirit are gone.
I shudder to even imagine.
But , that time is coming.
The Bride needs to prepare for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.
Therefore, the Groom (Christ) will remove her (the Church) before His divine judgment falls upon a world filled with depravity and rejection.
Let it be known.

Douggg · Dec 25, 2018

Daniel Martinovich said:
Popular culture. Christianity has a popular culture and traditions every bit as onerous as the religious leaders had in ancient Israel. I'll give you some examples. I live in the southwest USA. Its the land of mega churches. There are hundreds of them. My city has a dozen Christian radio stations. I can channel surf any time of the day and I will hear teachings on the "end times" 24-7. I can go to 90% of the churches and hear the same teachings on the end times. There are a few that have dominionist teachings but their teachings still end up in the end times. I can go to churches that teach the left behind series as Biblical doctrine. I could turn on TBN and hear numerous teachings and movies on the end times and that is world wide 24-7. There are tens of thousands of books and hundreds of corny stupid movies on various flavors of end time teachings. It is a billion dollar a year media industry.
I might find an old James D Kennedy radio broadcast on that at least teaches the ah-millenialism of the founders of the free world. But that is about it.
That is what I mean by pop culture end time teachings. The church, Christian sects like Mormonism, the world, Hollywood movies unless it involves aliens, and the worlds false religions like Islam, Hinduism etc etc are engulfed and taken captive by apocalyptic end of the world scenarios. Isn't it just like God to speak the opposite in his Word?

I do have to give credit to the Catholics for being a little more circumspect with scripture on this issue.

Would you rather live in Iran where you would find none of those Christian preaching? Criticize where there are errors being made,yes, but don't condemn their presence. You are blessed to be living in a country where the preaching of the gospel and things pertaining to Christianity and the end times is widespread.

Daniel Martinovich · Dec 25, 2018

Douggg said:
Hebrew 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Not the phrase "the second coming." It does not exist in the NT. The Greek word for appear is not the Greek word for coming. Not a variant or anything close.

Daniel Martinovich · Dec 25, 2018

Douggg said:
Would you rather live in Iran where you would find none of those Christian preaching? Criticize where there are errors being made,yes, but don't condemn their presence. You are blessed to be living in a country where the preaching of the gospel and things pertaining to Christianity and the end times is widespread.

I will declare and prophesy to you that as sure as the Bible is the Word of God. Iran will someday be tamed by the Gospel the same way it tamed the antichrist Christian murdering western world. The people of Iran will be free as we are to preach and teach like we do. Islam will get "Christianized" or disappear. May happen in 30 years. May happen in 500. But it will happen.

Again. If I am right. What does that make you in regards to the future of Iran?

By the way. The free western world was created, founded and maintained by Ah millenialist thinking. That was the dominant thinking of Christians. I'm not an ah millienialist, but these pop culture end time teachings are losing what they created. Destroying the inheritance they gave us.

Daniel Martinovich · Dec 25, 2018

ItIsFinished! said:
SMH.
It should be obviously clear without a doubt that we are on the cusp of the end of days.
Google how many genders there are for starters .
Imagine this God forsaken world when the Church and restraints of the Holy Spirit are gone.
I shudder to even imagine.
But , that time is coming.
The Bride needs to prepare for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.
Therefore, the Groom (Christ) will remove her (the Church) before His divine judgment falls upon a world filled with depravity and rejection.
Let it be known.

Or if I am right and you are wrong. The fact that the culture accepts such darkness is nothing more than a reflection of the absolute powerlessness of Christians who have accepted false prophecy in the guise of pop culture end time teachings as gospel. If so, where does that leave you?
Hosea 2: says he is not taking her to heaven but sowing her into the earth....for a purpose.
19 And I will betroth thee unto me for ever; yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.
20 I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness: and thou shalt know the LORD.
21 And it shall come to pass in that day, I will hear, saith the LORD, I will hear the heavens, and they shall hear the earth;
22 And the earth shall hear the corn, and the wine, and the oil; and they shall hear Jezreel.
23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.

ItIsFinished! · Dec 25, 2018

Daniel Martinovich said:
Or if I am right and you are wrong. The fact that the culture accepts such darkness is nothing more than a reflection of the absolute powerlessness of Christians who have accepted false prophecy in the guise of pop culture end time teachings as gospel. If so, where does that leave you?
Hosea 2: says he is not taking her to heaven but sowing her into the earth....for a purpose.
19 And I will betroth thee unto me for ever; yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.
20 I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness: and thou shalt know the LORD.
21 And it shall come to pass in that day, I will hear, saith the LORD, I will hear the heavens, and they shall hear the earth;
22 And the earth shall hear the corn, and the wine, and the oil; and they shall hear Jezreel.
23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.

Save your jibberish friend.
I have no time for your nonsensical falsehoods.

Daniel Martinovich · Dec 25, 2018

By the way. To anyone talking to me. I'm not saying Christians are going to hell for teaching what amounts to false prophecy or such. I don't hold to any kind of teaching that says just because a real Christian is deceived or accepted something that is not true and is teaching it. That if they die they are not going to heaven. If you have never talked to me before. Just consider this the first installment of many from a loving heavenly father bringing much needed correction to his children for their welfare and the welfare of his whole creation. Not condemnation although you may feel condemned. Feelings of condemnation are just the attention getter so that as his children; he has our attention.

Now if one for years and years rejects many installments of truth designed to bring the heavenly correction from a father to his child. If because of the continued rejection the individual plunges himself into darkness. Then in that darkness forsakes the Lord. That is a different story.

I hate to say things like this. But I know from experience my words can cause people a lot of emotional distress. Its hard to know how you are affecting others over the internet. So.... peace.

ItIsFinished! · Dec 26, 2018

Just stop already.
Seriously.
You are not granted some special prophecy.
Stop speaking "super spiritual ".
God isn't impressed.

Douggg · Dec 26, 2018

Daniel Martinovich said:
The people of Iran will be free as we are to preach and teach like we do. Islam will get "Christianized" or disappear. May happen in 30 years. May happen in 500. But it will happen.

In the near term, this is what the bible has to say about Iran...

Ezekiel 38:
3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

And at the end of the long term,here is what it says about peoples of the Gog/Magog region at the end of the thousand years,

Revelation 20:
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Douggg · Dec 26, 2018

Daniel Martinovich said:
I will declare and prophesy to you that as sure as the Bible is the Word of God.

Sounds like you are doing what you are complaining about.

So....what if your wrong?

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