Christs second coming

LittleLambofJesus · Dec 25, 2018

thesunisout said:
Christ is coming in the future. How do we know this?
Because He is coming after the abomination of desolation:..................

This is all yet in the future. Biblical prophecy is coming true before our eyes because these are the last days. We are in the last part of the last days, I believe, and we may live to see the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Why do you suppose Luke didn't mention the AoD in his Gospel?

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
The AoD

#2050 used only in these 3 verses

2050. eremosis from 2049; despoliation:--desolation.

Matthew 24:15
Whenever then, ye may be seeing the abomination<946> of the desolation<2050>.......

Mark 13:14
Whenever yet ye may be seeing see the abomination<946> of the desolation<2050>

Luke 21:20
Whenever yet may be seeing the Jerusalem surrounded by war-troops,
then be knowing that come nigh the desolating<2050> of Her

2049. eremoo er-ay-mo'-o from 2048;
to lay waste (literally or figuratively):--(bring to, make) desolate(-ion), come to nought.

Rev 17:16
“And the ten horns which you saw on[fn] the beast, these will hate the harlot, make Her desolate<2049> and naked,
eat her flesh and burn her with fire.

Revelation 18:19
“They threw dust on their heads and cried out, weeping and wailing, and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great city, in which all who had ships on the sea became rich by her wealth!
For in one hour She is made desolate<2049>.’

The greek word, #946, is used only 6 times in the NT,
1 each in Matt, Mar and Luk and 3 times in Revelation.

946. bdelugma from 948; a detestation, i.e. (specially) idolatry:--abomination.
[equivalent hebrew word:
8251 shiqquwts from 8262; disgusting, i.e. filthy; especially idolatrous or (concretely) an idol:-- abominable filth (idol, -ation), detestable (thing)]

Matthew 24:15
Whenever then, ye may be seeing the abomination/βδέλυγμα<946> of the desolation
Mark 13:14
Whenever yet ye may be seeing see the abomination/βδέλυγμα<946>. of the desolation,
Luke 16:
14 And also the Pharisees, being lovers of money, were hearing all these things, and were deriding him,
15 and he said to them, ‘Ye are those declaring yourselves righteous before men, but God doth know your hearts;
because that which among men is high, [is] abomination/βδέλυγμα<946> before God

The exact form of the greek word #946 used in those 3 verses is used in 1 other verse, Revelation 21:27

Revelation 21:27
and there may not at all enter into it any thing defiling and doing abomination/βδέλυγμα<2050> and a lie,
but — those written in the scroll of the life of the Lamb.

Where is the abomination of desolation of Daniel, Matt and Mark shown in Revelation

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shilohsfoal · Dec 25, 2018

claninja said:
I believe Jesus when He stated Caiaphas would FROM NOW ON see the son of man coming on the clouds of heaven.
Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Do you believe Jesus was wrong? Caiaphus didn't really FROM NOW ON see Jesus coming on the clouds of heaven?

Quoting from scripture: From now on
Matthew 24:64 Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

So you believe the minut jesus told caiaphus he would see him at the right hans of God,Caiaphus saw Jesus at the right hand of God?

No i dont believe caiaphus saw Jesus at the right hand of God while Jesus stood before Caiaphus teling him he wouldsee him at the right hand of God.
I do believe i know when this would take place though.

Douggg · Dec 25, 2018

shilohsfoal said:
Now if you insist that jesus is wrong and "Jerusalem" is not responsible for all of the righteous blood shed upon earth,can you prove this with scripture and nit your own words?

You maybe are not fully grasping the message. The religious leaders there in Jerusalem were following Satan's footsteps. And thus shared in the guilt. And that Jesus wanted them to come to repentance, but they would not.

Matthew 23:33 You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape the sentence of hell?
Matthew 23:34 Because of this, I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify, and others you will flog in your synagogues and persecute in town after town.
Matthew 23:35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
Matthew 23:36 Truly I tell you, all these things will come upon this generation.
Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling!

Matthew 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Matthew 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
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The Jews will turn to Jesus in the middle of the 70th week.

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

LittleLambofJesus · Dec 25, 2018

shilohsfoal said:
So you believe the minut jesus told caiaphus he would see him at the right hans of God,Caiaphus saw Jesus at the right hand of God?

No i dont believe caiaphus saw Jesus at the right hand of God while Jesus stood before Caiaphus teling him he wouldsee him at the right hand of God.
I do believe i know when this would take place though.

Stephen did.
Coincidentally, that event is when Saul/Paul arrives on the scene.....Looks like Jesus is standing in judgement of those stoning Stephen.....

Stoning of Stephen against the Law

Acts 7:
56 and said, "Look! I see the heavens having been opened
and the Son of the Man standing out of rights of the God!"
58 They dragged him out of the city and began to stone him.
Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their garments at the feet of a young man named Saul.

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DreamerOfTheHeart · Dec 25, 2018

shilohsfoal said:
Do you believe jesus is right or wrong?
Matthew 23:33 You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape the sentence of hell?
Matthew 23:34 Because of this, I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify, and others you will flog in your synagogues and persecute in town after town.
Matthew 23:35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
Matthew 23:36 Truly I tell you, all these things will come upon this generation.
Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling!

Now jesus just condemned the leaders of the jewish people calling them by the name "Jerusalem" saying they are quilty of the blood of every righteous person on the earth.This eould include the blood spilt in this place spiritually called babylon if it is found anywhere on the earth.

Now it appears you are saying Jesus is wrong and that someone else is responsible for all of the righteous blood shed upon earth.

Now if you insist that jesus is wrong and "Jerusalem" is not responsible for all of the righteous blood shed upon earth,can you prove this with scripture and nit your own words?

I already supplied verses. It does not matter how one wishes to add and take away, judgment is on the way.

Anyone can do further research.

The judgment is clear and sealed.

The beast will destroy Babylon, before the whole world's eyes. Then, the Beast and False Prophet will come against the Kingdom of God to judgment.

The saying goes, 'extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence'. Right now, it seems impossible, to those who are blinded. But the axe is already at the tree.

Everything Jesus said about the Jewish religious establishment happened, already. Now, how can those who did the same, and worse, for much longer survive the same judgment.

But, those who keep to the words of Christ do not worship the Beast, and will be victorious.

shilohsfoal · Dec 25, 2018

Douggg said:
You maybe are not fully grasping the message. The religious leaders there in Jerusalem were following Satan's footsteps. And thus shared in the guilt. And that Jesus wanted them to come to repentance, but they would not.

Matthew 23:33 You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape the sentence of hell?
Matthew 23:34 Because of this, I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify, and others you will flog in your synagogues and persecute in town after town.
Matthew 23:35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
Matthew 23:36 Truly I tell you, all these things will come upon this generation.
Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling!

Matthew 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Matthew 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
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The Jews will turn to Jesus in the middle of the 70th week.

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Perhaps you didnt understand.
Jesus said jerusalem is responsible for ALL THE RITEOUS BLOOD SHED UPON EARTH. Not some.Not much.He said ALL THE RIGHTEOUS BLOOD UPON EARTH.
ALL.
That would include ALL of thisblood.Not some.Not much.But ALL OF THIS RIGHTEOUS BLOOD in this verse.
Revelation 18:24 And there was found in her the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who had been slain on the earth.

shilohsfoal · Dec 25, 2018

DreamerOfTheHeart said:
I already supplied verses. It does not matter how one wishes to add and take away, judgment is on the way.

Anyone can do further research.

The judgment is clear and sealed.

The beast will destroy Babylon, before the whole world's eyes. Then, the Beast and False Prophet will come against the Kingdom of God to judgment.

The saying goes, 'extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence'. Right now, it seems impossible, to those who are blinded. But the axe is already at the tree.

Everything Jesus said about the Jewish religious establishment happened, already. Now, how can those who did the same, and worse, for much longer survive the same judgment.

But, those who keep to the words of Christ do not worship the Beast, and will be victorious.

Yes jesus said Jerusalem would be destroyed.Not Rome.Not New York.Not Hong Kong.
Jesus said Jerusalem wouldbe destroyed.

Lost4words · Dec 25, 2018

shilohsfoal said:
Yes jesus said Jerusalem would be destroyed.Not Rome.Not New York.Not Hong Kong.
Jesus said Jerusalem wouldbe destroyed.

I agree

Douggg · Dec 25, 2018

shilohsfoal said:
Perhaps you didnt understand.
Jesus said jerusalem is responsible for ALL THE RITEOUS BLOOD SHED UPON EARTH. Not some.Not much.He said ALL THE RIGHTEOUS BLOOD UPON EARTH.
ALL.
That would include ALL of thisblood.Not some.Not much.But ALL OF THIS RIGHTEOUS BLOOD in this verse.
Revelation 18:24 And there was found in her the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who had been slain on the earth.

Well, it is not me who didn't understand what Jesus was saying.

Jesus was speaking to the religious leaders who would plot to have him put to death, and charged them in following in the footsteps of Satan. He did not say Jerusalem in the text, but "you" them his was speaking to... the religious leaders of Jerusalem who were following in Satan's footsteps.

Jerusalem and the Jewish people did reject Jesus. And the Kingdom of God was taken from that generation, and would be given to another nation of Israel, i.e. another generation of Israel who will receive him.

Jesus is returning to rescue the Jews after they receive the gospel in the middle part of the 70th week and will say of him, blessed is he who come in the name of the Lord.

In Zechariah 14, God does battle against them of the nations who attack Jerusalem, and rescues the Jews in the city of Jerusalem, when Jesus's feet stand on the mount of olives.

Zechariah 14:
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
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Revelation 18 is talking about Satan and his kingdom of fallen angels, referred to as Babylon the Great.

Revelation 18:24 And there was found in her the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who had been slain on the earth.

shilohsfoal · Dec 25, 2018

Douggg said:
Well, it is not me who didn't understand what Jesus was saying.

Jesus was speaking to the religious leaders who would plot to have him put to death, and charged them in following in the footsteps of Satan. He did not say Jerusalem in the text, but "you" them his was speaking to... the religious leaders of Jerusalem who were following in Satan's footsteps.

Jerusalem and the Jewish people did reject Jesus. And the Kingdom of God was taken from that generation, and would be given to another nation of Israel, i.e. another generation of Israel who will receive him.

Jesus is returning to rescue the Jews after they receive the gospel in the middle part of the 70th week and will say of him, blessed is he who come in the name of the Lord.

In Zechariah 14, God does battle against them of the nations who attack Jerusalem, and rescues the Jews in the city of Jerusalem, when Jesus's feet stand on the mount of olives.

Zechariah 14:
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
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Revelation 18 is talking about Satan and his kingdom of fallen angels, referred to as Babylon the Great.

Revelation 18:24 And there was found in her the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who had been slain on the earth.

Jesus said Jerusalem in the context.Here is the proof.
Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling!

Douggg · Dec 25, 2018

shilohsfoal said:
Jesus said Jerusalem in the context.Here is the proof.
Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling!

Here's the whole context.

Matthew 23:
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you [scribes and pharisees]may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Now for the verse 37, you are calling "proof" regarding your position (but is not proof), claiming guilt of the blood of the righteous Abel to Zacharias upon Jerusalem, which Jesus was actually referring to the scribes and pharisees, in verse 35.

In context, Jesus was blasting the scribes and pharisees for their conduct and aire of self righteousness, starting in verse 2 all the way to verse 36. But Jesus was dong so in the presence of a large crowd, called a multitude, and the disciples.

Matthew 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

In verse 37, Jesus is lamenting to the crowd, who was present listening to him...

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling!

So your "proof" text is not being understood by you ( I say with humility) regarding the whole context of Matthew 23. The verse 35 about the guilt of all the righteous blood between Abel and Zacharias was against the scribes and pharisees. But verses 37-39 is Jesus lamenting to the crowd who was listening, representing Jerusalem.

For the populus of Jerusalem had a history of not heeding the prophets and killed many of them, influenced by their religious leaders. And Jesus knew that many or at least some present, later, would be influenced by the scribes and pharisees who being yeast in the crowd fired up the crowd, when Pilate asked, crucify your king?, to give rise that they would reply - crucify him.

shilohsfoal · Dec 25, 2018

Douggg said:
Here's the whole context.

Matthew 23:
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you [scribes and pharisees]may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Now for the verse 37, you are calling "proof" regarding your position (but is not proof), claiming guilt of the blood of the righteous Abel to Zacharias upon Jerusalem, which Jesus was actually referring to the scribes and pharisees, in verse 35.

In context, Jesus was blasting the scribes and pharisees for their conduct and aire of self righteousness, starting in verse 2 all the way to verse 36. But Jesus was dong so in the presence of a large crowd, called a multitude, and the disciples.

Matthew 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

In verse 37, Jesus is lamenting to the crowd, who was present listening to him...

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling!

So your "proof" text is not being understood by you ( I say with humility) regarding the whole context of Matthew 23. The verse 35 about the guilt of all the righteous blood between Abel and Zacharias was against the scribes and pharisees. But verses 37-39 is Jesus lamenting to the crowd who was listening, representing Jerusalem.

For the populus of Jerusalem had a history of not heeding the prophets and killed many of them, influenced by their religious leaders. And Jesus knew that many or at least some present, later, would be influenced by the scribes and pharisees who being yeast in the crowd fired up the crowd, when Pilate asked, crucify your king?, to give rise that they would reply - crucify him.

Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling!

Jerusalem.Not Rome,Not New York,Not Hong Kong.But the leaders of the jewish people in Jerusalem is responsible fforALL the righteoua blood shed uponearth.Not some.Not most,but ALL the righteousblood shedupon earth.
Jesus is not wrong

shilohsfoal · Dec 25, 2018

Revelation 18:24 And there was found in her the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who had been slain on the earth.

ALL OF THE RIGHTEOUS BLOOD SHED UPON EARTH.

shilohsfoal · Dec 25, 2018

All of the righteous blood shed upon earth.
Revelation 20:4 Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Douggg · Dec 25, 2018

shilohsfoal said:
Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling!

Jerusalem.Not Rome,Not New York,Not Hong Kong.But the leaders of the jewish people in Jerusalem is responsible fforALL the righteoua blood shed uponearth.Not some.Not most,but ALL the righteousblood shedupon earth.
Jesus is not wrong

Verse 37 is not verse 35. Verse 35 is directed to the scribes and pharisess, not to the whole of Jerusalem.

Revelation 18:24 And there was found in her the blood of prophets and saints, and of all who had been slain on the earth.

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ALL OF THE RIGHTEOUS BLOOD SHED UPON EARTH.

Jesus called the scribes and pharisees, their father as being the Devil, and called them vipers. Because they were following in the footsteps of Satan.

Revelation 18:24 is about mystery, Babylon the Great, Satan's and the fallen angels' kingdom. Which the infuence is worldwide, since the time of Adam and Eve.

Satan and his angels to be cast down to the earth, at the time the 7th trumpet sounds, is Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen in Revelation 18:2 .

Satan's kingdom must be destroyed before the Kingdom of God becomes the ruling kingdom here on earth. And Revelation 18 is about the destruction of Satan's kingdom and it's influence on the nations is likened to a great trading city that is suddenly destroyed.

shilohsfoal · Dec 25, 2018

Douggg said:
Verse 37 is not verse 35. Verse 35 is directed to the scribes and pharisess, not to the whole of Jerusalem.

Jesus called the scribes and pharisees, their father as being the Devil, and called them vipers. Because they were following in the footsteps of Satan.

Revelation 18:24 is about mystery, Babylon the Great, Satan's and the fallen angels' kingdom. Which the infuence is worldwide, since the time of Adam and Eve.

Satan and his angels to be cast down to the earth, at the time the 7th trumpet sounds, is Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen in Revelation 18:2 .

Satan's kingdom must be destroyed before the Kingdom of God becomes the ruling kingdom here on earth. And Revelation 18 is about the destruction of Satan's kingdom and it's influence on the nations is likened to a great trading city that is suddenly destroyed.

As Jesus said.
Jerusalem reresponsible for ALL THE RIGHTEOUS BLOOD SHED UPON EARTH.
Not some,
Not most.
BUT ALL THE RIGHTEOUSBLOOD SHED UPON EARTH.
That would include the righteous blood of these shed in israel.

Revelation 20:4 Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

That is
ALL THE RITEOUS BLOOD SHED UPON EARTH

Douggg · Dec 25, 2018

shilohsfoal said:
As Jesus said.
Jerusalem reresponsible for ALL THE RIGHTEOUS BLOOD SHED UPON EARTH.

In verse 35, to the scribes and pharishees, not to Jerusalem. I showed you plainly in the text, and the whole context of Matthew 23.

In verse 37, Jesus said of Jerusalem of killing the prophets, not all the righteous blood shed upon the earth. And Jesus was lamenting because a portion of the multitude would take part in his crucifxion because of the influence of the scribs and pharisees - who were following in the footsteps of Satan.

shilohsfoal · Dec 25, 2018

Douggg said:
In verse 35, to the scribes and pharishees, not to Jerusalem. I showed you plainly in the text, and the whole context of Matthew 23.

In verse 37, Jesus said of Jerusalem of killing the prophets, not all the righteous blood shed upon the earth. And Jesus was lamenting because a portion of the multitude would take part in his crucifxion because of the influence of the scribs and pharisees - who were following in the footsteps of Satan.

Jesus was actually telling how he would send his disciples throughout israel and how they would be treated in israel.

Matthew 23:34 Because of this, I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify, and others you will flog in your synagogues and persecute in town after town.

Jesus knew they will kill his students..So many disciples killed in iisrael by unbelievers.Even deliverd to death by thier own children.

Matthew 10:21 Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rise against their parents and have them put to death.

And it will continue untill Jesus comrs and puts a stop to it.

Matthew 10:23 When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next. Truly I tell you, you will not reach all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

DreamerOfTheHeart · Dec 25, 2018

shilohsfoal said:
Yes jesus said Jerusalem would be destroyed.Not Rome.Not New York.Not Hong Kong.
Jesus said Jerusalem wouldbe destroyed.

Jerusalem was destroyed. Almost 2000 years ago, exactly as Jesus said it would.

It is a type of fulfilled prophecy, which will be repeated. But, this destruction will be spiritual. And, final for the old ways.

Babylon, in Revelation, is representative of the Roman Catholic Church. I offered evidence of that, in previous posts. Including one you responded to.

It is a standard Protestant viewpoint.

You can do your research. It is wise to consider all points of view, especially on something as serious and life and soul threatening, as Revelation.

Babylon's fall will impact the whole Christian religious establishment, so I sometimes call Babylon, 'the Christian religious establishment'. Orthodox and Protestant branches are her children, among many others.

The Catholic Church is not 'the beast', it is Babylon.

'The beast', as even Augustine said, is the world. The tares. It is the State successor to Rome.

The Catholic Church is the clay, in the feet of the statue of Nebuchadnezzar, and the beast is the iron.

Rome, the empire, has 'as if' been resurrected. Is one of those empires. But, it is not the literal Rome, as in being in Italy.

I will not identify it, as there is not just the heads of these empires which matter, but also the body.

The Kingdom of God is far above Babylon, and the Beast. But, the worshippers of the world deny it, saying nothing is greater then the Beast. In this, they worship the achievements of man, over God. Being unaware of the reality of God, and Heaven.

Babylon says she is alone, and there is no other higher organization. So, she has been covering up, en masse, horrible crimes. Instead of reporting these the the proper authorities. The beast sees this, and hates her for it.

The beast has the false prophet now, who gets people to worship it. The false prophet can be understood as modern secular religion, which says, among other things, that man is highest.

It says man was not created by God, but was, as if, self-formed from the primal chaotic forces of nature. (Which was the original Babylonian creation myth, now called 'evolution'.)

God and Heaven, however, are behind this one, as Revelation says, putting it into the heart of the beast to destroy Babylon.

Not all in these nations are of the beast. It is a sophisticated metaphor.

The number of the beast is not a single person, but humankind's number, which some bible versions footnote or say. And the Greek, as well as the context, clarify.

Just as Israel was exiled to Babylon, so too has the Church been exiled to the Catholic Church and daughter establishments.

The true Church is invisible and indivisible, for it is in the heart, and in the midst of the world, by the Holy Spirit. Not by man.

Not by manmade religions.

However, when I speak of the Kingdom, I speak of the Throne of God, of Heaven, and angels. The Bride is a part of this, but asleep.

At an individual level, they are as not yet born fetal infants, soon to be born. Or, as worms in cocoons starting to come out.

The Holy Ones, Angels, bring about these matters, not man. But the wicked do destroy the wicked in the battleground of what is mystically called 'Armageddon'.

I state all of this as documentation, for future reference, primarily. It is an obscure location, but sufficient evidence, if the Lord wishes to use it as such.

I will not be further engaging on this discussion, here, at this time. This was my duty. I have obliged it.

BABerean2 · Dec 25, 2018

Douggg said:
The Jews will turn to Jesus in the middle of the 70th week.

What you said above is not in the Bible.

Daniel Chapter 9: Dr. Kelly Varner

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Christs second coming

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Jesus I Trust In You

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Jacks or better to open

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

Jacks or better to open

Jacks or better to open

Jacks or better to open

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

Jacks or better to open

anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

Jacks or better to open

I Am What I Am

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