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Ummmmmm, I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but the seventieth week is complete,

True the 70 weeks of Daniel 9 ended 2000 years ago just like the 70 years of Daniel 9:1-5 ended 2500 years ago...all Bible timelines are contiguous within their own timeline. No exceptions.

The "reason" we even have the Daniel 9 details on the Daniel 7 thread is because Daniel 9 uses day-for-year in its 70 weeks (of years)

That's not what the angle instructed (Ref. 12:4 & 9), and it might be perilous to disobey an angel.
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I find your logic illusive just then.
 
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Please do a word search on mashiyach (H4899).

CEV:
9.25 the Chosen Leader: Or “a chosen leader.” In Hebrew the word “chosen” means “to pour oil (on someone’s head).” In Old Testament times it was the custom to pour oil on a person’s head when that person was chosen to be a priest or a king

... or be content in the commentator's error.

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The anointed one -- Christ was anointed by the Holy Spirit for ministry at His baptism. IT would be 69 weeks of years (483 years) from the time of the decree in Ezra 6 and 7 (457 B.C.) - to rebuild Jerusalem --- to the time of Christ anointed for ministry in 27 A.D.

But the point is that in such a long time span the only pattern that works for that greatest of all Messianic timeilne prophecies - is "day for a year".

the same pattern used in Rev 11, 12, 13
The same pattern used in Daniel 7 and 8.

All apocalyptic timelines use day for a year.
Each and every Bible timeline is contiguous
 
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... It is not an "it is written", ...
Ummmmmm, yes it is! GOD provided a sequence which contradicts the commentators and conforms to world history (this is to say that there is no "Revived Roman Empire -- 4a/4b). But if you like the commentators, then please be content.

2:45 ... the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE
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No sir. That is PRETEARISM and it is not Biblical a=and neither is it logical or historicaly true.
Ummmmm, no. Preterism is false, -- Scripture and History are TRUE. Follow Scripture and History, it's a lot of work, but they are both TRUE, and they agree with each other, just like GOD intended.

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Nope. Daniel wrote that he perceived (biyn -- Ref. 1 Kings 3, simple wisdom -shama vs Solomon wisdom - biyn) the Books, which turns out to the be Book of Psalms.

Nope - "all scripture is inspired by God" - 2 Tim 3:16
"holy men of old moved by the Holy Spirit - spoke FROM GOD" 2 Peter 1:19-21
"10 As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries, 11 seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow." 1 Peter 1:10-11
Gal 3:8 "the gospel was preached to Abraham".
John 8 "Abraham SAW My day and was glad"

Dan 9
In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of Median descent, who was made king over the kingdom of the Chaldeans— 2 in the first year of his reign, I, Daniel, observed in the books the number of the years which was revealed as the word of the Lord to Jeremiah the prophet for the completion of the desolations of Jerusalem, namely, seventy years.

Jer 29:10 10 “For thus says the Lord, ‘When seventy years have been completed for Babylon, I will visit you and fulfill My good word to you, to bring you back to this place.
 
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... ALL the prophets had TWO visions in mind. One was THEIR time and the other was way on down the road of time. ...
That's not correct:

10:13 The prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; but Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, so I left him there with the prince of the kingdom of Persiaa]">[a] 14 and came to make you understand what is to befall your people in the latter days. For the vision is for days yet to come.”

12:4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”
9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end.

Don't believe everything you're told!
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That cannot be correct for several scriptural reasons,

[1] the 70 weeks (490 years) is simply a subsection of the greater 2,300, as per (Daniel 9:23,24, "the vision", "determined"), which would mean, that after the 490 years, 1810 years remain to be accounted for (Daniel 8:13,14,26; Revelation 9:15, 14:6-7, etc)

[2] Jesus fulfilled the requirements in Daniel 9:24, "to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness":

Everlasting righteousness began with Jesus.

Jesus/Michael stood up in AD 34 [Acts 7:55-56 KJB], the end of the 70 weeks, in Daniel 9, and thus the close of the probation of the Jews as a nation, the sanhedrin, having rejected the Head and the body. He will so stand again [Daniel 12:1; Luke 13:25; Revelation 22:11 KJB, etc]

AD 27 + 3 1/2 = AD 31; crucifixion. The first of the final week of the 70 weeks, as Jesus told Peter [Matthew 18:22 KJB]

AD 31 + 3 1/2 = AD 34; Stephen martyred. End of the 70 weeks, as we see in Hebrews 2:3 KJB

Parallels [the short version, two rainbows]:

Jesus in AD 27 Anointed with the Holy Ghost, ministry 3 1/2 years, miracles, taken captive AD 31, rejected by the sanhedrin, condemned to death, dies outside the city
.

Amen

69 weeks -- = 483 literal (solar) years.

457BC --> 27 A.D (Baptism of Christ - annointing. starts His ministry as Messiah) 683 year point.

Dan 9:25 So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress. (NASB)

25 “Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The street shall be built again, and the wall,
Even in troublesome times. NKJV

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.KJV

Dan 9: 25 Know thou therefore, and take notice: that from the going forth of the word, to build up Jerusalem again, unto Christ the prince, there shall be seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks: and the street shall be built again, and the walls in straitness of times. (Douay Rhimes)

Please do a word search on mashiyach (H4899).

CEV:
9.25 the Chosen Leader: Or “a chosen leader.” In Hebrew the word “chosen” means “to pour oil (on someone’s head).” In Old Testament times it was the custom to pour oil on a person’s head when that person was chosen to be a priest or a king

... or be content in the commentator's error.

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DaDad

Do you mean "translators error"? Are you correcting the translators because you are a recognized expert in the Hebrew language and know that the context in the text of Daniel 9 does not allow the Messiah to be Christ?
 
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That's not correct:

10:13 The prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days; but Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, so I left him there with the prince of the kingdom of Persiaa]">[a] 14 and came to make you understand what is to befall your people in the latter days. For the vision is for days yet to come.”

12:4 But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”
9 He said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end.

Don't believe everything you're told!
DaDad

How is that helping you? what is your point?
 
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you said...….
MOST of us are -- Smarter than GOD!
Please tell me that you were being sarcastic or fooling us.
If my wife can make a shopping list (chrolonogical - Intelligent Design), and then rewrite it according to the aisles of the store (Intelligent Design); and then when GOD does the same, HIS critics assert that GOD didn't use Intelligent Design for HIS second sequence order, -- then obviously GOD's not very smart, per his critics.

2:45 ... the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold ... = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE

Hope this helps,
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... the fact that this is a Messianic prophecy is not up for debate. ...
Then you agree with my favorite aunt when she used to tease: My mind's made up, don't confuse me with the facts. -- But you're not teasing.

Perhaps your perspective lacks many of the facts. I'm more than willing to present them for your research and validation, -- or not.

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Are you asking them why they are not born speaking the ancient form of Hebrew?? Do you speak it?
If you like the English translation between Jesus and Peter where Jesus asked if Peter loved him and Peter said he loved him, -- the by all means keep that misrepresented account. But if you want to know what actually transpired, then you need the original text.

Please check your "translation" with the original text to make sure what you think was said, was actually said!

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DaDad said:
That's not what the angle instructed (Ref. 12:4 & 9), and it might be perilous to disobey an angel.
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I find your logic illusive just then.
I believe you find GOD's logic illusive.
Thanks,
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DaDad said:
... Daniel wrote that he perceived (biyn -- Ref. 1 Kings 3, simple wisdom -shama vs Solomon wisdom - biyn) the Books, which turns out to the be Book of Psalms.

Dan. 9:2 in the first year of his reign, I, Daniel, perceived [H995] (biyn) in the books the number of years which, according to the word of the Lord to Jeremiah the prophet, must pass before the end of the desolations of Jerusalem, namely, seventy years.

1 Kings 3:12 behold, I now do according to your word. Behold, I give you a wise and discerning
[H995] (biyn) mind, so that none like you has been before you and none like you shall arise after you.

You know, it would be great if you'd do your own research before you made your unsubstantiated assertions ...

Perhaps you need some assistance in perceiving exactly what Daniel is attempting to explain in this 9th Chapter. -- Or maybe you're content with what you ~believe~.

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Nope. Daniel wrote that he perceived (biyn -- Ref. 1 Kings 3, simple wisdom -shama vs Solomon wisdom - biyn) the Books, which turns out to the be Book of Psalms.

Nope - "all scripture is inspired by God" - 2 Tim 3:16
"holy men of old moved by the Holy Spirit - spoke FROM GOD" 2 Peter 1:19-21
"10 As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries, 11 seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow." 1 Peter 1:10-11
Gal 3:8 "the gospel was preached to Abraham".
John 8 "Abraham SAW My day and was glad"

Dan 9
In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, of Median descent, who was made king over the kingdom of the Chaldeans— 2 in the first year of his reign, I, Daniel, observed in the books the number of the years which was revealed as the word of the Lord to Jeremiah the prophet for the completion of the desolations of Jerusalem, namely, seventy years.

Jer 29:10 10 “For thus says the Lord, ‘When seventy years have been completed for Babylon, I will visit you and fulfill My good word to you, to bring you back to this place.

Dan. 9:2 in the first year of his reign, I, Daniel, perceived [H995] (biyn) in the books the number of years which, according to the word of the Lord to Jeremiah the prophet, must pass before the end of the desolations of Jerusalem, namely, seventy years.

1 Kings 3:12 behold, I now do according to your word. Behold, I give you a wise and discerning
[H995] (biyn) mind, so that none like you has been before you and none like you shall arise after you.

You know, it would be great if you'd do your own research before you made your unsubstantiated assertions ...

I find your logic illusive.
 
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Ummmmmm, I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but the seventieth week is complete,

True the 70 weeks of Daniel 9 ended 2000 years ago just like the 70 years of Daniel 9:1-5 ended 2500 years ago...all Bible timelines are contiguous within their own timeline. No exceptions.

The "reason" we even have the Daniel 9 details on the Daniel 7 thread is because Daniel 9 uses day-for-year in its 70 weeks (of years)

That's not what the angle instructed (Ref. 12:4 & 9), and it might be perilous to disobey an angel.
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DaDad

I find your logic illusive just then.

I believe you find GOD's logic illusive.
Thanks,
DaDad

It never occurred to me that you thought you were God. In any case - I still find your logic illusive.. perhaps even more so now.
 
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Why would you dilute the literal text by using a translation?
That is an ignorant (not-knowing) statement in regards scripture, for numerous persons in the Bible quoted the Bible in a language which was not the original language given:

Who wrote Acts? What language was Acts written in originally? What language did Jesus speak in to Paul in Acts 26:14? Is Luke inspired? Is Jesus inspired? Was the "translation" diluted? Or did God perfectly "preserve" (Psalms 12:6-7) His word, by the guidance of the Holy Ghost, and knows all language of mankind?

Act_26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

Act 26:14 παντων δε καταπεσοντων ημων εις την γην ηκουσα φωνην λαλουσαν προς με και λεγουσαν τη εβραιδι διαλεκτω σαουλ σαουλ τι με διωκεις σκληρον σοι προς κεντρα λακτιζειν

When the Holy Ghost was poured out upon the disciples at Pentecost, was the gospel "diluted" when it was spoken in multiple languages and recorded in koine Greek?

Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Act 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

There is always to be "interpretation" (translation) from one tongue (language) to another:

1Co_14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

1Co 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

What language was Joseph speaking? What language is Genesis recorded in? Was Joseph inspired? Was Moses inspired when he wrote down Genesis?

Gen 42:18 And Joseph said unto them the third day, This do, and live; for I fear God:

Gen 42:23 And they knew not that Joseph understood them; for he spake unto them by an interpreter.
 
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...then you need the original text.
What "original text" are you referring to? Name the text base you are referring to (in Hebrew, Syriac and Koine Greek, etc for each book or portion of book), for all text bases rely upon multiple sources, all of which are copies of copies. There are no "original" MSS left, neither in Hebrew, Syriac, or Koine Greek. None of the "originals" were ever all together in a single location, and never needed to be. God didn't need the "originals" to be preserved and so didn't preserve them. God preserved His "word" through copies, as God did with the Ten Commandments (first copy of stone tables smashed to pieces), and with the several copies of Jeremiah/Baruch (which one "original" the king cut up and threw into the fire, and one "original" (copy of the original, but remade again with more) Jeremiah had thrown into the river), etc.

There are no "originals" any more. They are all long gone, and thank God for it, otherwise people would make an idol of the paper/etc it was written on, rather than magnify the words themselves.
 
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...Please check your "translation" with the original text to make sure what you think was said, was actually said!...
Now, I am going to ask this only once, therefore, in the name of Jesus Christ, Are you personally able to read and translate old manuscript Hebrew, Syriac and Koine Greek? Yes/No.

If "Yes" I am going to test you by posting a picture of an old manuscript in each language, and I expect you to be able to translate them within 2 hours, from the time the images are posted and post those translation below the images.
 
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If you like the English translation between Jesus and Peter where Jesus asked if Peter loved him and Peter said he loved him, -- the by all means keep that misrepresented account. But if you want to know what actually transpired, then you need the original text.

Please check your "translation" with the original text to make sure what you think was said, was actually said!

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If you read the English, or even understand the Koine Greek (which you obviously have not understood, but simply re-gurgitate some scholars nonsense), there is no difference between "agape" or "phileo", in all of scripture:

Jump to Time Index 57:00 Minutes and take the Agape/Phileo Test (and if honest (ie follow the rule given), you'll fail it):


Joh 21:17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

How do you answer the Agape/Phileo test and the evidence as found in John 21:15-17 KJB, in regards "do you love [agape] me" [first time]. do you love [agape] me" [second time], and "do you love [phileo] me" [???, is this the first time, or the third time Jesus asked about love?] Jesus did not say do you love [agape] me three times. Jesus did not say "do you love [phileo] me" three times. What was asked three times?

As I read the plain English, Jesus simply asked, "Do you love me?" three times. Hence the "second" and "third" time.

It would be like me asking:

Do you want to jump over the creek?

Do you want to jump over the creek?

Do you want to leap over the creek?

How many times did I ask for the person to hop over the creek?

God uses multiple words that mean the same thing all the time, even beginning in Genesis. See:

Isa_43:7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

Mat_16:9 Do ye not yet understand, neither remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?

Mat_16:10 Neither the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?

Mar_8:19 When I brake the five loaves among five thousand, how many baskets full of fragments took ye up? They say unto him, Twelve.

Mar_8:20 And when the seven among four thousand, how many baskets full of fragments took ye up? And they said, Seven.

1 Thessalonians 4:9 -

1 Thessalonians 4:9 KJB - But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.

1Th 4:9 περιG4012 PREP δεG1161 CONJ τηςG3588 T-GSF φιλαδελφιαςG5360 N-GSF ουG3756 PRT-N χρειανG5532 N-ASF εχετεG2192 V-PAI-2P γραφεινG1125 V-PAN υμινG4771 P-2DP αυτοιG846 P-NPM γαρG1063 CONJ υμειςG4771 P-2NP θεοδιδακτοιG2312 A-NPM εστεG1510 V-PAI-2P ειςG1519 PREP τοG3588 T-ASN αγαπανG25 V-PAN αλληλουςG240 C-APM


1 Peter 1:22 -

1 Peter 1:22 KJB - Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, [see that ye] love one another with a pure heart fervently:

1Pe 1:22 ταςG3588 T-APF ψυχαςG5590 N-APF υμωνG4771 P-2GP ηγνικοτεςG48 V-RAP-NPM ενG1722 PREP τηG3588 T-DSF υπακοηG5218 N-DSF τηςG3588 T-GSF αληθειαςG225 N-GSF διαG1223 PREP πνευματοςG4151 N-GSN ειςG1519 PREP φιλαδελφιανG5360 N-ASF ανυποκριτονG505 A-ASF εκG1537 PREP καθαραςG2513 A-GSF καρδιαςG2588 N-GSF αλληλουςG240 C-APM αγαπησατεG25 V-AAM-2P εκτενωςG1619 ADV
 
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