Pre-Tribulation Rapture Refuted with Scripture

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Might be cool to know for sure, but it's certainly not vital by any means...
Right; knowing what will happen isn't vital or a Salvation issue.
However; God has give us a huge amount of prophecy, up to a third of the Bible.
To ignore it, to say its too hard or worse; to reject it and believe something unbiblical altogether, cannot be right. God may ask why we failed to take note of His Word.

I assure you, that it will be for your own good to be aware of what God has planned for His people in the end times. It will be those who are taken unawares, or have believed fables, who will fall on the Day the Lord takes action.
 
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This is a useless argument.
One thing we can be sure of is that when the sun explodes out a massive CME, things will never be the same again on earth.

I will clarify this; Isaiah 30:26 says the sun will explode with a very bright flash and this will be reflected by the moon; shining as brightly as the sun.
Then; Joel 2:31 and Revelation 6:12 both say that the sun will turn black and the moon will look blood red. This is explained by the CME mass, a multi billion ton cloud of superheated hydrogen, obscuring the sun from us. When this mass strikes the moon, it will glow red.
Simple, and what is plainly stated to happen.
Neither the Olivet Discourse or Revelation involves the whole world....that is absolute false teaching among futurists.

The Gehenna/Lake of refining Fire involves vengeance and wrath against a great City/Harlot/Queen and it's corrupt muderous Judean Rulers and Priesthood, located in Judea and OC Jerusalem.
Examine these verses very closely as it will change the conceptions of the sun and moon being darkened and the Gehenna/Lake of Fire.

First, not notice to whom Jesus mentions as being a "brood of vipers" and being appointed to both the 70ad wrath in BOTH Matthew and Luke:

Mat 3:7
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers!
Who warned ye to flee from the being about wrath ὀργῆς<3709> to come?

Luk 3:7
Then he said to the multitudes that came out to be baptized by him, “Brood of vipers!
Who warned ye to flee from the being about wrath/ ὀργῆς<3709> to come?


Same exact form used in Revelation

Rev 6:16 -
and they say to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne

and from the wrath/ ὀργῆς<3709> of the Lamb!

And to whom did Jesus condemn to the "Gehenna/Lake of refining Fire"

Mat 12:34
Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
Matthew 23:33
'Serpents! brood of vipers!
how may ye escape from the judgment of the gehenna?


Is the "Gehenna" of Matt 23:33 the Lake of Fire in Revelation?

Here they have already been Judged and thrown into the Gehenna/Lake of Fire of 70ad Jerusalem


Revelation 14:11
And the Smoke of the tormenting of Them is ascending into Ages to-Ages....... [Luke 16:24,26]


Jer 9:7
Therefore thus says the LORD of hosts:
“Behold, I will refine them and try them;

For how shall I deal with the daughter of My people

Daniel's people, the JEWS:

Dan 11:35

“And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them, and make them white, until the time of the end;
because it is still for the appointed time.

The JEWS:

Zec 13:9
I will bring the one-third through the fire,
Will refine them as silver is refined,

And test them as gold is tested.
They will call on My name,
And I will answer them.
I will say, ‘This is My people';
And each one will say, ‘The LORD is my God.' ”

The JEWS:

Mal 3:3

He will sit as a refiner and a purifier of silver;
He will purify the sons of Levi,

And purge them as gold and silver,
That they may offer to the LORD
An offering in righteousness.
Mal 4:1
“Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and the day that is coming will set them on fire,” says the Lord Almighty. “Not a root or a branch will be left to them.
Mal 3:2

But who can endure the day of his coming? Who is able stand when he appears?
For He will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap.

The JEWS 70ad Jerusalem:

Rev 6:17

“For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”





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Neither the Olivet Discourse or Revelation involves the whole world....that is absolute false teaching among futurists.
Wrong LLoJ:
A Worldwide Punishment, the Next Prophesied Event
Luke 21:35 ...that Day will come upon everyone, the whole world over....

Isaiah 24:1 Be warned: The Lord is about to strip the earth.... everyone will be affected.

Isaiah 24:13 So it will be throughout the world, among all the nations.

Obadiah 1:16 All the nations must drink of the Cup of Wrath.

2 Peter 3: & 10 the sky will dissipate and all the earth will be brought to judgement.

Psalms 110:5-6 The Lord judges kings on His Day of wrath, He judges the nations.

Isaiah 2:9 .....mankind will be brought low.

Ezekiel 7:2-9 The end is coming, it will affect all the earth.

Isaiah 66:16-17 The Lord will judge with fire and test all mankind. All the wicked will die

Isaiah 34:1-5 My wrath is upon all the nations. My sword appears in the heavens, it descends in judgement.

Psalms 50:1-3The Lord speaks and summons the world, sending consuming fire and storms

Zephaniah 3:8 The Day I accuse the whole earth, it will be enveloped by My burning anger. I will pour out My wrath upon the nations.

Jeremiah 25:29-33 I am bringing punishment upon the inhabitants of the world. Ruin spreads from nation to nation from a worldwide mighty tempest.

Ezekiel 30:2-3 A Day of reckoning for the nations. All the Middle East lands devastated.

Habakkuk 3:12 Furiously You traverse the earth, trampling the nations.

Isaiah 63:2 ...I trampled the nations in My anger.

Psalm 77:18 Your arrows flashed around the world.

Psalm 97:2-5 His lightning flashes light up the whole world.

Joel 2:11 All the nations are in anguish.

Isaiah 30:30 The Lord shakes the nations in a sieve of destruction.

Isaiah 52:10 The Lord bared His holy arm in the sight of all the nations, the whole world will see the deliverance of His people. Ref: REB. Some verses abridged.
 
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Wrong LLoJ:
A Worldwide Punishment, the Next Prophesied Event
Luke 21:35 ...that Day will come upon everyone, the whole world over....
I vehemently disagree with that false teaching of a worldwide vengeance/wrath.

Here is where punishment is coming/did come:

Mat 24:16
“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Mar 13:14
“So when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,'[fn] spoken of by Daniel the prophet,[fn] standing where it ought not” (let the reader understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Luke 21
21 “Then let those who are in Judea flee
to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.
23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
For there will be Great Distress in the land and wrath upon this people. [1 Thess 2:16]

Mat 23:37
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!
Luk 13:34
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem
, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!

EZEKIEL 22 "GATHER HOUSE OF ISRAEL INTO JERUSALEM TO MELT IN FURNACE/GEHENNA"

Matthew 23:33
Serpents, brood of vipers!
How may ye escape the judging of the gehenna?

Ezekiel 22
19 your all becoming dross, Therefore, behold!
I am gathering you unto the midst of Jerusalem,
20 A gathering of silver, and brass, and iron, and lead, and tin, Unto the midst of a furnaceto blow on it fire, to melt it,
So do I gather in Mine anger and in My fury, And I have let rest, and have melted you.
21 And I have heaped you up, And blown on you in the fire of My wrath<5678>,
And ye have been melted<5413> in its midst.
22 As the melting of silver in the midst of a furnace, So are ye melted in its midst,
And ye have known that I, Yahweh, I have poured out My fury<2534> upon you.’

Revelation 15:1
And I perceived another sign in the heaven, great and marvelous. Seven Messengers having seven stripes/blows, the last,
that in them is finished the fury<2372> of the GOD..............

Is the "Gehenna" of Matt 23:33 the Lake of Fire in Revelation?

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I vehemently disagree with that false teaching of a worldwide vengeance/wrath.
So you 'vehemently disagree' with the 21 scriptures in #324?
Your mistake is to mix up the various Judgements of the Lord.
First; He did have the Romans wipe out the Jews who killed Him. In 66-135 AD
Next; will come the great and terrible Day of the Lord's wrath against the nations, which the verses I posted, describe.
Then; in the last 3 1/2 years of this age, the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls of the Great Tribulation will take place.
After the Millennium, will come the final Judgement and the New heavens and new earth.
 
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After the Millennium, will come the final Judgement and the New heavens and new earth.
The Gog-Magog war comes after that, then the judgement and New Jerusalem.........
Armageddon was Jerusalem 70ad..........

Eze 38:2
'Son of man, set thy face unto Gog, of the land of Magog, prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy concerning him,

Rev 20:8
and he shall go forth to lead the nations astray, that are in the four corners of the earth -- Gog and Magog --
to gather them together to war, of whom the number is as the sand of the sea;

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Wrong LLoJ:
A Worldwide Punishment, the Next Prophesied Event
Thunder Around the World
REv 6 is global in scale and not accomplished in 70AD. Jer 16 is clearly about the days Jer prophesied in and does not appear to be a prophecy with a double fulfillment. Jesus predicted that Jerusalem would fall and the temple be destroyed and also that it would be trampled under the foot until the time of the Gentiles was over. This is obvious that there is still a prophetic distinction between Jew and Gentile. Rev also speaks of Jerusalem being trampled for 42 months. This is the middle of the 70th week of Daniel.
What sin has Jerusalem paid for in Isaiah 40:2?

If Reve 18:6 isn't 70ad, then I suppose Jerusalem will once again have to pay "double doubles" again.......


Isaiah 40:2
Comfort, comfort my people, says your God. Speak tenderly to Jerusalem and proclaim to her that her hard service has been completed, that her sin has been paid for,
that she has received from the Lord's hands, doubles/<1362> for all her sins.

Revelation 18:6
Render to Her as also she did render to ye, and double<1363> to Her doubles<1362> according to Her works;
in the cup/pothriw <4221> that She did mingle, mingle to Her double<1362>.



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What sin has Jerusalem paid for in Isaiah 40:2?

If Reve 18:6 isn't 70ad, then I suppose Jerusalem will once again have to pay "double doubles" again.......


Isaiah 40:2
Comfort, comfort my people, says your God. Speak tenderly to Jerusalem and proclaim to her that her hard service has been completed, that her sin has been paid for,
that she has received from the Lord's hands, doubles/<1362> for all her sins.

Revelation 18:6
Render to Her as also she did render to ye, and double<1363> to Her doubles<1362> according to Her works;
in the cup/pothriw <4221> that She did mingle, mingle to Her double<1362>.



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if you read Zech 14 and see the day the LORD comes with all of his saints Jerusalem is being completely over run when the LORD fights to save them on the same day He is declared king over all the earth. Isaiah 40 is looking to that day as well. Read Ezekiel 36. It is talking about a day when God will take away the reproach of Israel permanently from all the nations. He also says that this happens at the time when Israel has been brought back from being scattered into all the other nations. God says they profaned Gods name in all the nations they were scattered too and that they will be revered in the day that the LORD is glorified in them. This promise also says Israel will not bereave the other nations anymore nor will they be bereaved and that this happens at the time when Israel will be given a new heart. This is future. israel has been brought back and the transformation happens when they are saved. This is when they will know the I am the LORD...Jesus is the LORD they will know it. The 2nd coming is wonderful like Joseph revelaing himself to his brothers;so too will the glory be when Israel sees it is Jesus come to save them. The punishment Isaiah 40 talks about has been seen in the last 2000 years and ends when God is sanctified in Israel when tehy believe in Jesus as God, savior, messiah and Christ when he comes in that day.
 
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if you read Zech 14 and see the day the LORD comes with all of his saints Jerusalem is being completely over run when the LORD fights to save them on the same day He is declared king over all the earth.
Zechariah 14:1-2 is 3 1/2 years before Jesus Returns.
Proved by Revelation 13:5-8

Jesus will Return accompanied by the angel army. Zechariah 14:5b says holy ones. but we know from Matthew 16:27 and Matthew 25:31, that they are angels.
They cannot be humans, as there is nowhere in the Bible that says humans go to heaven; a fable that Jesus soundly refutes. John 3:13
 
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Zechariah 14:1-2 happens 3.5 years before the Second Coming, Zechariah 14:3-4 is the Second Coming. Revelation ch. 19 tells us plainly that the Saints who Marry the Lamb returns with him, this of course does not preclude the Angles from returning with him not vice versa neither do the passages that site the Angles return with God preclude the Saints returning with Jesus.

If I write a report and say the Yanks invaded Germany in 1945, and write elsewhere the Russians invaded Germany, what does that tell us ? They both invaded Germany. So the Angels and the Saints return to earth with Jesus at the Second Coming, reading it any other way is just someone denying what the scriptures say in order to try and make their understandings true, but it doesn't work that way the truth is the truth, only a pre trib rapture fits.
 
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Zechariah 14:1-2 happens 3.5 years before the Second Coming, Zechariah 14:3-4 is the Second Coming. Revelation ch. 19 tells us plainly that the Saints who Marry the Lamb returns with him, this of course does not preclude the Angles from returning with him not vice versa neither do the passages that site the Angles return with God preclude the Saints returning with Jesus.

If I write a report and say the Yanks invaded Germany in 1945, and write elsewhere the Russians invaded Germany, what does that tell us ? They both invaded Germany. So the Angels and the Saints return to earth with Jesus at the Second Coming, reading it any other way is just someone denying what the scriptures say in order to try and make their understandings true, but it doesn't work that way the truth is e truth, only a pre trib rapture fits.
"only a pre trib rapture fits."

This is a true statement.
 
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The Gog-Magog war comes after that, then the judgement and New Jerusalem.........
Armageddon was Jerusalem 70ad..........

Eze 38:2
'Son of man, set thy face unto Gog, of the land of Magog, prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy concerning him,

Rev 20:8
and he shall go forth to lead the nations astray, that are in the four corners of the earth -- Gog and Magog --
to gather them together to war, of whom the number is as the sand of the sea;
"Armageddon was Jerusalem 70ad."

In the common vernacular, hogwash! God did not call the nations of the world to participate in 70 AD. But He WILL in our future.
 
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So you 'vehemently disagree' with the 21 scriptures in #324?
Your mistake is to mix up the various Judgements of the Lord.
First; He did have the Romans wipe out the Jews who killed Him. In 66-135 AD
Next; will come the great and terrible Day of the Lord's wrath against the nations, which the verses I posted, describe.
Then; in the last 3 1/2 years of this age, the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls of the Great Tribulation will take place.
After the Millennium, will come the final Judgement and the New heavens and new earth.
You are mistaken, as usual, but got off to a good start. The truth is, the trumpets come in the first half of the week, and the vials late in the second half of the week.
The 7th trumpet will sound to mark (in heaven) the moment the man of sin enters the temple in Jerusalem and declares he is God.
 
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I vehemently disagree with that false teaching of a worldwide vengeance/wrath.

Here is where punishment is coming/did come:

Mat 24:16
“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Mar 13:14
“So when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,'[fn] spoken of by Daniel the prophet,[fn] standing where it ought not” (let the reader understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Luke 21
21 “Then let those who are in Judea flee
to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.
23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
For there will be Great Distress in the land and wrath upon this people. [1 Thess 2:16]

Mat 23:37
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!
Luk 13:34
“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem
, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!

EZEKIEL 22 "GATHER HOUSE OF ISRAEL INTO JERUSALEM TO MELT IN FURNACE/GEHENNA"

Matthew 23:33
Serpents, brood of vipers!
How may ye escape the judging of the gehenna?

Ezekiel 22
19 your all becoming dross, Therefore, behold!
I am gathering you unto the midst of Jerusalem,
20 A gathering of silver, and brass, and iron, and lead, and tin, Unto the midst of a furnaceto blow on it fire, to melt it,
So do I gather in Mine anger and in My fury, And I have let rest, and have melted you.
21 And I have heaped you up, And blown on you in the fire of My wrath<5678>,
And ye have been melted<5413> in its midst.
22 As the melting of silver in the midst of a furnace, So are ye melted in its midst,
And ye have known that I, Yahweh, I have poured out My fury<2534> upon you.’

Revelation 15:1
And I perceived another sign in the heaven, great and marvelous. Seven Messengers having seven stripes/blows, the last,
that in them is finished the fury<2372> of the GOD..............

Is the "Gehenna" of Matt 23:33 the Lake of Fire in Revelation?

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Perhaps you should just study the word "future" for a while. Most of what you posted here is FUTURE, not past.
 
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Wrong LLoJ:
A Worldwide Punishment, the Next Prophesied Event
Luke 21:35 ...that Day will come upon everyone, the whole world over....

Isaiah 24:1 Be warned: The Lord is about to strip the earth.... everyone will be affected.

Isaiah 24:13 So it will be throughout the world, among all the nations.

Obadiah 1:16 All the nations must drink of the Cup of Wrath.

2 Peter 3: & 10 the sky will dissipate and all the earth will be brought to judgement.

Psalms 110:5-6 The Lord judges kings on His Day of wrath, He judges the nations.

Isaiah 2:9 .....mankind will be brought low.

Ezekiel 7:2-9 The end is coming, it will affect all the earth.

Isaiah 66:16-17 The Lord will judge with fire and test all mankind. All the wicked will die

Isaiah 34:1-5 My wrath is upon all the nations. My sword appears in the heavens, it descends in judgement.

Psalms 50:1-3The Lord speaks and summons the world, sending consuming fire and storms

Zephaniah 3:8 The Day I accuse the whole earth, it will be enveloped by My burning anger. I will pour out My wrath upon the nations.

Jeremiah 25:29-33 I am bringing punishment upon the inhabitants of the world. Ruin spreads from nation to nation from a worldwide mighty tempest.

Ezekiel 30:2-3 A Day of reckoning for the nations. All the Middle East lands devastated.

Habakkuk 3:12 Furiously You traverse the earth, trampling the nations.

Isaiah 63:2 ...I trampled the nations in My anger.

Psalm 77:18 Your arrows flashed around the world.

Psalm 97:2-5 His lightning flashes light up the whole world.

Joel 2:11 All the nations are in anguish.

Isaiah 30:30 The Lord shakes the nations in a sieve of destruction.

Isaiah 52:10 The Lord bared His holy arm in the sight of all the nations, the whole world will see the deliverance of His people. Ref: REB. Some verses abridged.
Good post.
 
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LittleLambofJesus said:
The Gog-Magog war comes after that, then the judgement and New Jerusalem.........
Armageddon was Jerusalem 70ad..........
"Armageddon was Jerusalem 70ad."
In the common vernacular, hogwash! God did not call the nations of the world to participate in 70 AD. But He WILL in our future.
All the prophecies by Jesus in the Olivet Disourse were future to 1st century Jerusalem and Jews.
Why is that so hard for "futurists" to see that?

Note Ezekiel 22 and the melting of the Jews in a furnace in 70ad, which essentially became a "gehenna/lake of fire".


Is the "GEHENNA" of Matt 23:33 the "LAKE OF FIRE" in Revelation? Poll thread

Ezekiel 22:
17 And there is a word of Yahweh unto me, saying, ‘Son of adam! 18 The House of Israel hath been to Me for dross, All of them [are] brass, and tin, and iron, and lead, In the midst of a furnace — dross hath silver been,
19 Therefore, thus said Adonay Yahweh: Because of your all becoming dross, Therefore, behold!
I am gathering you unto the midst of Jerusalem,
20 A gathering of silver, and brass, and iron, and lead, and tin, Unto the midst of a furnace — to blow on it fire, to melt it,
So do I gather in Mine anger and in My fury, And I have let rest, and have melted you.
21 And I have heaped you up, And blown on you in the fire of My wrath, And ye have been melted<5413> in its midst.
22 As the melting of silver in the midst of a furnace, So are you melted in its midst, And ye have known that I, Yahweh, I have poured out My fury<2534> upon you.’

I wondered how God would gather the Jews into Jerusalem for that until I read about the day/time that Titus sieged Jerusalem, the day of the Passover!!!!

Matthew 23:33
'Serpents! brood of vipers!
how may ye escape from the judgment of the gehenna?

Mat 24:20
16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
20 “And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.


The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover
; and it is deserving of the very particular attention of the reader, that this was the anniversary of that memorable period in which the Jews crucified their Messiah ! At this season multitudes came up from all the surrounding country, and from distant parts, to keep the festival.... Luke xxi. 21......................

Nevertheless, the city was at this time crowded with Jewish strangers, and foreigners from all parts, so that the whole nation may be considered as having been shut up in one prison, preparatory to the execution of the Divine vengeance ; and, according to Josephus this event took place suddenly ; thus, not only fulfilling the predictions of our LORD, that these calamities should come, like the swift-darting lightning".....................

Revelation 18:
9 “When the kings of the earth who committed adultery with her and shared her luxury see the smoke of her burning, they will weep and mourn over her. 10 Terrified at her torment, they will stand far off and cry:
“ ‘Woe! Woe to you, great city,
you mighty city of Babylon!
In one hour your doom has come!’
18 When they see the smoke of her burning, they will exclaim, ‘Was there ever a city like this great city?’ 19They will throw dust on their heads, and with weeping and mourning cry out:


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Wrong LLoJ:
A Worldwide Punishment, the Next Prophesied Event
Luke 21:35 ...that Day will come upon everyone, the whole world over....
Good post.
If I was a futurist, I would also agree :p

Please explain to me and others how this could possibly be a worldwide event [remembering this whole 70ad Temple/Jerusalem discourse starts with the Temple.


Matthew 24:16
1 And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple.
16 then those in Judea
let them be fleeing! into the mountains;

Mark 13:14
1 And He going forth out of the Temple,

14 Whenever yet ye may be seeing see the abomination of the desolation, the one being declared by Daniel the prophet, standing where it is not binding, (whoever is reading let him be understanding!)
Then those in the Judea,
let them be fleeing into the mountains

Luke 21:

5 and of some saying concerning the Temple,
20 Whenever yet ye may be seeing Jerusalem being encompassed by armies, then be ye knowing! that nigh Her desolation.
21 then those in Judea,
let them be fleeing into the mountains;
and those in her midst, let them depart out; and those in the countries, let them not come in to her;

Revelation 18:4
And I hear another voice out of the heaven saying "come forth! out of Her My people......................


Rev 17:9
“Here is the mind which has wisdom:
The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.


Eze 6:2
“Son of adam!, set your face toward the mountains of Israel, and prophesy against them,

Eze 33:28
“For I will make the land most desolate, her arrogant strength shall cease,
and the mountains of Israel shall be so desolate that no one will pass through.





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Luke 21:35 ...that Day will come upon everyone, the whole world over....
If I was a futurist, I would also agree :p

Please explain to me and others how this could possibly be a worldwide event [remembering this whole 70ad Temple/Jerusalem discourse starts with the Temple.


Matthew 24:16
1 And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple.
16 then those in Judea
let them be fleeing! into the mountains;

Mark 13:14
1 And He going forth out of the Temple,

14 Whenever yet ye may be seeing see the abomination of the desolation, the one being declared by Daniel the prophet, standing where it is not binding, (whoever is reading let him be understanding!)
Then those in the Judea,
let them be fleeing into the mountains

Luke 21:

5 and of some saying concerning the Temple,
20 Whenever yet ye may be seeing Jerusalem being encompassed by armies, then be ye knowing! that nigh Her desolation.
21 then those in Judea,
let them be fleeing into the mountains;
and those in her midst, let them depart out; and those in the countries, let them not come in to her;

Revelation 18:4
And I hear another voice out of the heaven saying "come forth! out of Her My people......................


Rev 17:9
“Here is the mind which has wisdom:
The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.


Eze 6:2
“Son of adam!, set your face toward the mountains of Israel, and prophesy against them,

Eze 33:28
“For I will make the land most desolate, her arrogant strength shall cease,
and the mountains of Israel shall be so desolate that no one will pass through.





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I know this is of no use but that's an allusion.
 
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Matthew 23:33
'Serpents! brood of vipers!
how may ye escape from the judgment of the gehenna?


Mat_10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.


Mat_12:41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
Mat_12:42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.


2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;


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I know this is of no use but that's an allusion.
Sounds like the makings of a thread......oh wait.....there is one:

Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament

I find this person's view concerning the "allusions" found in the book of Revelation that are found in the Old Testament/Covenant rather fascinating.
Would anyone like to put down verses from Revelation and the verses from the OT/OC that are "alluded" to? I think that would be enjoyable and edifying. Thanks

THE SYMBOLISM IN BOOK OF REVELATION

One man studied and found 348 allusions (not illusions, Light) in Revelation from the Old Testament. You see the similarity in wording and the context mirrored in Revelation and the particular Old Testament story, and immediately can recognize the reference source!
That's IF you know the bible well enough to even notice that.

95 of the 348 plain references used in Revelation as taken from the Old Testament are repeated in Revelation.
That makes about 250 Old Testament passages are cited. How many chapters are in Revelation? 22. That makes about TEN OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCES FOR EVERY CHAPTER!

Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Books in Daniel Daniel 7:9 and 11:10.
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Cried and joy Temple/City: Ezra 3:12,13 and Reve 18:18, 19:4
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Ear to hear: Isaiah 6:9,10 and Matt 13:15, Reve 2,3,13
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Holy Holy Holy Isaiah 6:6 and Revelation 4:8
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Jericho, Priest and Trumpets: Joshua 6:4, Hebrews 11:30, Matt 24:31, Reve 8:6
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Lift hands to heaven and swore..: Daniel 2:7 and Reve 10:5
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Light Revelation to Israel and Nations: Isaiah 9:2, Luke 2:32, Reve 1:1
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Moses and Elijah, fire falling, as is also seen in Revelation.
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Moses and Elijah
https://www.christianforums.com/thr...om-old-testament.7588850/page-6#post-73140020
Mountain of fire cast into Sea
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Pierced: Zech 12:10 and Reve 1:7
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Sacrifice/Supper of God: Ezek 39:17 and Reve 19:17
https://www.christianforums.com/thr...om-old-testament.7588850/page-6#post-72893026
Sanctuary/Tabernacle filled with smoke
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
https://www.christianforums.com/thr...ion-from-old-testament.7588850/#post-58432014
Silence/Hush: Zech 1:7, 2:13 and Reve 8:1
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Sodom and Egypt: Matt 2:15, Reve 11:8
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Song of Moses: Exodus 15:1 and Revelation 15:3
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Spirit lifting, taking Ezekiel and John
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Stars 7
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Tree of Life and Garden: Genesis 3:24 and Reve 2:7
Allusions in Revelation from Old Testament
Whip.........Nahum 3:2, John 2:15,



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