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It was God that called me a hypocrite, and yes I'm sure it was, since the objective was my repentence. God is always loving, and sometimes that means being blunt. He was calling me to a church with women pastors and I was resisting, so He felt with me in the way necessary to bring repentence.
God would not call you or anyone to a church with a female pastor .
It would contradict His Word.
There is no such thing as a Scripturally sounded female pastor.
I wasn't going to say anything , but I was prompted by The Holy Spirit to correct that erroneous statement.
Times change , but The Holy Word of God NEVER changes.
 
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I agree with the scripture quoted, but I don't agree with your last statement. I turned Joyce off when I caught her being pro women with snide remarks ... so I went click and never watched her after that. She is powerful influence and her audience is full of women that need her. As for the OP I would remind you that Oswald Chambers said, "Do not allow any experience or emotions to come between you and your Lord jesus Christ"

How many women preach and teach on Christian TV? Not that many and most have fallen by the way side. I do like a couple of women preachers like Evelynn Wyatt and Aimee Semple McPherson, but they are both long gone by now.

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:heart: Hello my dear friend. i pray all is well. Joyce has been graciously edifying and supportive of husbands in the messages that i have listened to, for instance in the video that i posted in post #84.

I find it a very precious message.

God bless you :heart:
 
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Yes thanks .we know the scripture.
And as i said i agree with pauls reasoning.
But as i also said .. This is Pauls own declaration of what HE personaly disallowed And why.
Paul is not moses. He is writing a letter NOT a new law book.
It is of interest that many things he wrote he repeated to many differing groups.. But not this issue.
Nor head covering either.
No it wasn't what Paul "personally " disallowed.
He wrote down the inspired word of God not his opinion.
To think differently is HIGHLY DANGEROUS and not of God.
 
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Any man who does find it wise to learn about women, or the feminine side of their own nature, is a fool in my book...

The only kind of authority she would have over a or any man, is only of the kind and type he would give to her...

And to think that no woman or some women can't teach a man anything or "minister" sometimes or be in a position to minister sometimes, even to a man, is a very backwards way of thinking... And is not very Biblical as well... In The Bible we see even Jesus and his apostles being ministered to by women sometimes, "Martha" was mentioned as one for one... And there are or were others...

God Bless!
 
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I think the key words we are over looking are simply this St Paul said, "I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man" -- 1 Timothy 2

See the difference "I Paul do not allow" meaning that some men do and some men don't in that day.

Some women turn me on to listen and some women turn me off to change the channel ... Joyce Meyer turns me off. Like someone else said I just don't have time for her.
 
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God would not call you or anyone to a church with a female pastor .
It would contradict His Word.
There is no such thing as a Scripturally sounded female pastor.
I wasn't going to say anything , but I was prompted by The Holy Spirit to correct that erroneous statement.
Times change , but The Holy Word of God NEVER changes.
Do you go to church. Do they allow women to speak there? Can a woman give a testimony, or sing during worship? Do women give announcements in your church. Do women have any type of leadership over men at all there? I had just left a church that used that very debatable as it's reason to keep woman from the pastoral staff, but women had leadership positions and spoke quite a bit. They had a woman worship leader, and after she left and they hired a far less qualified man, they made it a paid pastoral position. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy they hired, but he had far less passion, anointing and talent than his woman predecessor.

The scriptures do not condemn Deborah for leading Israel. They do say that in Christ there is man/woman/Jew/Gentile.
 
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Do you go to church. Do they allow women to speak there? Can a woman give a testimony, or sing during worship? Do women give announcements in your church. Do women have any type of leadership over men at all there? I had just left a church that used that very debatable as it's reason to keep woman from the pastoral staff, but women had leadership positions and spoke quite a bit. They had a woman worship leader, and after she left and they hired a far less qualified man, they made it a paid pastoral position. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy they hired, but he had far less passion, anointing and talent than his woman predecessor.

The scriptures do not condemn Deborah for leading Israel. They do say that in Christ there is man/woman/Jew/Gentile.
Deborah wasn't a pastor my friend.
We all are equal at the foot of the Cross.
But, we have different callings.
Times change , but The Word of God does not.
No one is above another .
Every calling is precious,
no matter what is done in Christ.
 
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Deborah wasn't a pastor my friend.
We all are equal at the foot of the Cross.
But, we have different callings.
Times change , but The Word of God does not.
No one is above another .
Every calling is precious,
no matter what is done in Christ.
As a judge Deborah was the highest human authority in the land, as appointed by God. It sounds like you are making excuses. God's word does not change, but man's doctrines are fallible, even the old doctrines. The context of the whole of scripture makes those few verses of Paul's debatable. Given a the choice between, man's doctrine and the Holy Spirit's explanation of scripture, I will take the Holy Spirit. You are free to disagree with me on your interpretation. The verses are debatable within the context of the entirety of scripture, so either view holds weight.
 
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As a judge Deborah was the highest human authority in the land, as appointed by God. It sounds like you are making excuses. God's word does not change, but man's doctrines are fallible, even the old doctrines. The context of the whole of scripture makes those few verses of Paul's debatable. Given a the choice between, man's doctrine and the Holy Spirit's explanation of scripture, I will take the Holy Spirit. You are free to disagree with me on your interpretation. The verses are are debatable within the context of the entirety of scripture, so either view holds weight.
How in the world do you come up with the idea that I have an excuse muchless excuses as you stated regarding this subject?
Seriously? Where are the so called excuses?
I have offered nor need to offer any excuse or excuses regarding the subject.
 
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How in the world do you come up with the idea that I have an excuse muchless excuses as you stated regarding this subject?
Seriously? Where are the so called excuses?
I have offered nor need to offer any excuse or excuses regarding the subject.
It sounded to me as though you were diminishing Deborah's authority as a judge of Israel to excuse you from examining how it applies to Paul's instructions.
 
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It sounded to me as though you were diminishing Deborah's authority as a judge of Israel to excuse you from examining how it applies to Paul's instructions.
Nothing of the sort friend.
 
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As a judge Deborah was the highest human authority in the land, as appointed by God. It sounds like you are making excuses. God's word does not change, but man's doctrines are fallible, even the old doctrines. The context of the whole of scripture makes those few verses of Paul's debatable. Given a the choice between, man's doctrine and the Holy Spirit's explanation of scripture, I will take the Holy Spirit. You are free to disagree with me on your interpretation. The verses are debatable within the context of the entirety of scripture, so either view holds weight.

Even taking the rest of Paul's own words about women into account, those two verses stand out of character.

IMO, they were intended to be applied very narrowly to be a prohibition specifically against a man being discipled under a woman master the way Paul was discipled under Gamaliel and the way the Apostles had been discipled under Jesus. That's what "teaching" meant in Paul's era.
 
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That guy isn't quite lying, but he's not being truthful either, in that clip. He did what CARM and MacArthur, and the self-declared "Bible Answer Man," do. He edited an edited clip, and played a guilty by association game. I have a hard time trusting anything that someone who posts such a deceptive video posts after that.
 
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That guy isn't quite lying, but he's not being truthful either, in that clip. He did what CARM and MacArthur, and the self-declared "Bible Answer Man," do. He edited an edited clip, and played a guilty by association game. I have a hard time trusting anything that someone who posts such a deceptive video posts after that.
I didn't post it for you to trust me and how do you know he has edited that,
 
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That guy isn't quite lying, but he's not being truthful either, in that clip. He did what CARM and MacArthur, and the self-declared "Bible Answer Man," do. He edited an edited clip, and played a guilty by association game. I have a hard time trusting anything that someone who posts such a deceptive video posts after that.
In your first part, you say he isn't quite lying he either is or he isn't
 
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