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Here is a question we all need to ponder. If Love is the real acid test of our Christianity, how are we doing?

We are told that love is the true test of the validity of our Christian walk. Not our doctrine. Not our church affiliation. It is simply whether we love God with all of our hearts and whether we love our neighbor as we love ourselves. Some say this is a moot point because God sees us as holy, then regardless, all is fine. But is that really the truth?

Let’s be real here. In the book of Acts, men would exclaimed those in the early church "Behold how they love one another!" The love of God was manifested through them so that God would be glorified. Can we honestly say the same, or are we reduced to hiding under our "positional" love when it cannot be seen by any in the world? Is it any wonder they often call us hypocrites? As was foretold, the children of darkness are wiser than the children of light. Ah, but there is good news…. not for long!

Is our situation irreversible? Absolutely not. God longs to make us fruitful, and adorn us with love, joy, peace, and yes, praise God, even self control for those overcome by black addictive sins as I was. BUT..... these fruits cannot grow in the rocky soul of the flesh nature. We must finally bow low before our God and admit what is obvious to everyone except ourselves. We are NOT loving God with all of our hearts. Nor are we loving others as we love ourselves. Self still rules the roost and self must die.

We have heard the call to pick up our cross and deny ourselves. But how?? We cannot kill it, discipline it, ignore it, or tie it up tight enough to allow us to let God love through us. There is a narrow way, and obviously the early church was walking in it. What are we missing? Look, as long as we refuse to admit we need an infusion of God’s love, it will never happen, for it is only when we finally break before Him and cry out for Him to fill us and change us with out WHOLE heart will we find what we so desperately need. Let us remember, He dwells with those who are of a contrite heart, those who hunger and thirst for righteousness.

When we finally confess to Him that we need new hearts, loving hearts, hearts that He can FULLY possess, we will witness..... no, no..... be a part of... the greatest move of God the world has ever seen, and yes, that includes the book of Acts. Impossible, you say? Look, I get it, in this age of a Christianity that only wants to tickle our ears, how can we ever hope to see the joy of our salvation brought back from lukewarm to a full boil, spilling out on others. Many see only the great falling away, and not the promised end gathering that will precede our Lord’s return.

But praise God, even now the Lord is beginning to awaken us to what He has for us in these last days. We as His church have not been born in unity, power, and great love, only to see us limp across the finish line, with self quite intact, sin still overcoming us, with the world laughing at our multitude of divisions, which we call denominations, all bickering and arguing.

And why has this sad state occurred? It is simple. We have limited the Holy one of Israel by our unbelief. We have become satisfied with having our names written in Heaven, but with precious few truly lamenting their fleshliness or hungering after God to change us from the inside out. Jesus has promised to set us free indeed and longs to according to HIS definition, not ours. He has assured us that He will keep us from falling and He will change us from carnal children to overcoming saints. This is our destiny. But we simply have not believed it possible.

But that is all about to change. No more trading our birthright of walking as true overcomers for a mess of pottage. It is time we take possession of the land He has promised us. No more running laps in the wilderness of worldliness, compromise and lukewarm Sunday-go-to-church Christianity. It makes God sick. Should it not do the same to us? He is awakening us to who we are, and who He is in us. And when we do… and believe me, we will, the world will again say "Look! That which bore only briars and thorns has become again like the garden of Eden!" I cannot wait! How about you?

Let it be so, Lord. We are dry bones, but praise God, life is about to flow through us again. The world will marvel, but praise God, we will marvel more. Amaze us Lord with how potent your grace really is. Open our blinded eyes and break our satisfied hearts. Let us, like Paul, see ourselves as wretched men without real victory. And to all who do, wash away their unbelief and realize that we serve the God who will do abundantly above and beyond all that we ask or even think.

Live, bones, live.

Blessings to all.

Gideon


Nearly all of the Christians I speak with will agree that we should love everyone and put on a pretty good show until you bring up patriotism, war, capital punishment, and sitting on juries condemning the enemies of society. The vast majority of these loving Christians are all about "love" until you cross the line of self-defense or gun ownership to protect against intruders. These loving Christians will invariably return to the Old Testament to prove that God is really okay with murder in certain circumstances of which they are so thankful. Constantine and Augustine opened this Pandora's Box and Christians jump for joy at this new freedom to kill and condemn.
 
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Here is a question we all need to ponder. If Love is the real acid test of our Christianity, how are we doing?

We are told that love is the true test of the validity of our Christian walk. Not our doctrine. Not our church affiliation. It is simply whether we love God with all of our hearts and whether we love our neighbor as we love ourselves. Some say this is a moot point because God sees us as holy, then regardless, all is fine. But is that really the truth?

Let’s be real here. In the book of Acts, men would exclaimed those in the early church "Behold how they love one another!" The love of God was manifested through them so that God would be glorified. Can we honestly say the same, or are we reduced to hiding under our "positional" love when it cannot be seen by any in the world? Is it any wonder they often call us hypocrites? As was foretold, the children of darkness are wiser than the children of light. Ah, but there is good news…. not for long!

Is our situation irreversible? Absolutely not. God longs to make us fruitful, and adorn us with love, joy, peace, and yes, praise God, even self control for those overcome by black addictive sins as I was. BUT..... these fruits cannot grow in the rocky soul of the flesh nature. We must finally bow low before our God and admit what is obvious to everyone except ourselves. We are NOT loving God with all of our hearts. Nor are we loving others as we love ourselves. Self still rules the roost and self must die.

We have heard the call to pick up our cross and deny ourselves. But how?? We cannot kill it, discipline it, ignore it, or tie it up tight enough to allow us to let God love through us. There is a narrow way, and obviously the early church was walking in it. What are we missing? Look, as long as we refuse to admit we need an infusion of God’s love, it will never happen, for it is only when we finally break before Him and cry out for Him to fill us and change us with out WHOLE heart will we find what we so desperately need. Let us remember, He dwells with those who are of a contrite heart, those who hunger and thirst for righteousness.

When we finally confess to Him that we need new hearts, loving hearts, hearts that He can FULLY possess, we will witness..... no, no..... be a part of... the greatest move of God the world has ever seen, and yes, that includes the book of Acts. Impossible, you say? Look, I get it, in this age of a Christianity that only wants to tickle our ears, how can we ever hope to see the joy of our salvation brought back from lukewarm to a full boil, spilling out on others. Many see only the great falling away, and not the promised end gathering that will precede our Lord’s return.

But praise God, even now the Lord is beginning to awaken us to what He has for us in these last days. We as His church have not been born in unity, power, and great love, only to see us limp across the finish line, with self quite intact, sin still overcoming us, with the world laughing at our multitude of divisions, which we call denominations, all bickering and arguing.

And why has this sad state occurred? It is simple. We have limited the Holy one of Israel by our unbelief. We have become satisfied with having our names written in Heaven, but with precious few truly lamenting their fleshliness or hungering after God to change us from the inside out. Jesus has promised to set us free indeed and longs to according to HIS definition, not ours. He has assured us that He will keep us from falling and He will change us from carnal children to overcoming saints. This is our destiny. But we simply have not believed it possible.

But that is all about to change. No more trading our birthright of walking as true overcomers for a mess of pottage. It is time we take possession of the land He has promised us. No more running laps in the wilderness of worldliness, compromise and lukewarm Sunday-go-to-church Christianity. It makes God sick. Should it not do the same to us? He is awakening us to who we are, and who He is in us. And when we do… and believe me, we will, the world will again say "Look! That which bore only briars and thorns has become again like the garden of Eden!" I cannot wait! How about you?

Let it be so, Lord. We are dry bones, but praise God, life is about to flow through us again. The world will marvel, but praise God, we will marvel more. Amaze us Lord with how potent your grace really is. Open our blinded eyes and break our satisfied hearts. Let us, like Paul, see ourselves as wretched men without real victory. And to all who do, wash away their unbelief and realize that we serve the God who will do abundantly above and beyond all that we ask or even think.

Live, bones, live.

Blessings to all.

Gideon

It starts by defining love the way Jesus did, not the way it is defined today. Then, we can check what we think by the way the early church lived it.

First, here is what Jesus said: "Love one another as I have loved you." (John 13:34, 15:12). As one example, Jesus washed the disciples feet. It wasn't the service as much as it was the humility of putting another before yourself that He was teaching. He had the position, but He didn't use it for His own gain. As another, He laid down His life "for His friends" and then He defined what made them a friend: "You are My friends, if you do whatever I command you." (John 15:14) Jesus defined loving Him, too: "He that has My commandments, and keeps them, he it is that loves Me: and he that loves me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him." (John 14:21) "As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My commandments, you shall abide in My love, even as I have kept My Father's commandments, and abide in His love." (John 15:9-10) "These things I command you, that you love one another" (John 15:17).

They reached outside the church, because the church grew. When they weren't thinking big enough, God moved (dispersing believers, Peter's vision, Saul/Paul); but, they were genuinely concerned with taking care of those who were in their own body, not just expanding. I don't see anywhere in Scripture where the monetary resources of the church were given out to non-Christians in evangelistic efforts. I don't see any mention of a pig roast or turkey dinner or hot dogs for all comers. People came because God showed up in powerful ways and they came for that AND God's testimony is what led to their want to convert not that they liked the hot dogs and the people were nice. Apostles and Evangelists went out. I am sure the house churches grew because those in them talked with others, too. Scripture says that the money and food resources were distributed as those in the church had need, so nobody was lacking. When people were lacking, a fix was put in place. I don't see anywhere in Scripture where the church building or pastor's homes were so extravagant that they couldn't allow fellow Christians to come in or in time of a "natural disaster"--allow the community to partake of the shelter, because they have too much of value they are afraid to have stolen.

Today, look in most visible american churches and you will see the "haves" and the "have nots" sitting in the same church and leaving just as they came--the haves and the havenots. But, that isn't what the earliest church looked like at all. Granted and sadly, that seems to have changed once the gentile churches started arriving on the scene. But, prior to the addition of the gentiles, there were minimal questions on whose doctrine was right, because God was confirming the Word preached with accompanying signs. Now, much of the visible church would call those who have those same accompanying signs frauds or at least completely disregard them to protect their own income stream. Even before the church kicked off, John the Baptist didn't worry about losing his to Jesus. He wasn't trying to win a people or baptism war with Jesus. He was trying to do what he was called to do and acknowledged: "He must increase and I must decrease." If only that could be seen consistently somewhere in what calls itself the visible church. Though they were used by God to do mighty deeds, Peter and Paul would never let anyone bow to them or worship them. Now, there are people who expect and encourage bowing to them leading what calls itself a church. You say doctrine doesn't matter. But, that isn't what the early church thought. In fact, though I don't subscribe to "scholars", most believe the epistles were written to correct errors and warn against errors. Paul, Himself, in his last address to the Ephesian elders--knowing he would never see them again (Acts 20) includes: "For I know this, that fter my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also OF YOUR OWN SELVES SHALL MEN ARISE, SPEAKING PERVERSE THINGS, TO DRAW AWAY DISCIPLES AFTER THEM." (Acts 20:29-30). And, it wasn't only Paul that warned of stuff like that. Jesus, Himself, and almost every New Testament writer did. Even Jesus addressing the churches in Revelation refers to "doctrine". The Apostles appointed Deacons in Acts 6, because they said: "It is not reason that we should leave the Word of God and serve tables.... But, we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the Word." (Acts 6:2, 4) "And, daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ." (Acts 5:42).

The biggest differences between them and most, if not all, visible churches today: "And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that aught of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things in common. And with great power gave the Apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus; and great grace was upon them all. Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, and laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made to every man according as he had need. (Acts 4:32-35)

Do you know of one example of that today? That is the love that people saw from the outside that those who were on the inside had toward each other. They didn't protect themselves, their retirement, their success. They sold it and gave it to the group to distribute as people needed. Wow! You rarely, if ever, see that today. You see people who donate some of their overabundance, but rarely someone who sells what they have and gives it away for the sake of those in need.

So, it is important that we understand what Jesus called love and what His closest followers actively displayed as love. So, it is easy to talk about love, but we have to know what love is from God's perspective. And it is a lot more sacrificial than what is around today.

How do you get back to that, when you have people so indoctrinated into capitalism that the idea of sharing commonly among Christians will be declared socialism or communism?
 
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It starts by defining love the way Jesus did, not the way it is defined today. Then, we can check what we think by the way the early church lived it.

First, here is what Jesus said: "Love one another as I have loved you." (John 13:34, 15:12). As one example, Jesus washed the disciples feet. It wasn't the service as much as it was the humility of putting another before yourself that He was teaching. He had the position, but He didn't use it for His own gain. As another, He laid down His life "for His friends" and then He defined what made them a friend: "You are My friends, if you do whatever I command you." (John 15:14) Jesus defined loving Him, too: "He that has My commandments, and keeps them, he it is that loves Me: and he that loves me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him." (John 14:21) "As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My commandments, you shall abide in My love, even as I have kept My Father's commandments, and abide in His love." (John 15:9-10) "These things I command you, that you love one another" (John 15:17).

They reached outside the church, because the church grew. When they weren't thinking big enough, God moved (dispersing believers, Peter's vision, Saul/Paul); but, they were genuinely concerned with taking care of those who were in their own body, not just expanding. I don't see anywhere in Scripture where the monetary resources of the church were given out to non-Christians in evangelistic efforts. I don't see any mention of a pig roast or turkey dinner or hot dogs for all comers. People came because God showed up in powerful ways and they came for that AND God's testimony is what led to their want to convert not that they liked the hot dogs and the people were nice. Apostles and Evangelists went out. I am sure the house churches grew because those in them talked with others, too. Scripture says that the money and food resources were distributed as those in the church had need, so nobody was lacking. When people were lacking, a fix was put in place. I don't see anywhere in Scripture where the church building or pastor's homes were so extravagant that they couldn't allow fellow Christians to come in or in time of a "natural disaster"--allow the community to partake of the shelter, because they have too much of value they are afraid to have stolen.

Today, look in most visible american churches and you will see the "haves" and the "have nots" sitting in the same church and leaving just as they came--the haves and the havenots. But, that isn't what the earliest church looked like at all. Granted and sadly, that seems to have changed once the gentile churches started arriving on the scene. But, prior to the addition of the gentiles, there were minimal questions on whose doctrine was right, because God was confirming the Word preached with accompanying signs. Now, much of the visible church would call those who have those same accompanying signs frauds or at least completely disregard them to protect their own income stream. Even before the church kicked off, John the Baptist didn't worry about losing his to Jesus. He wasn't trying to win a people or baptism war with Jesus. He was trying to do what he was called to do and acknowledged: "He must increase and I must decrease." If only that could be seen consistently somewhere in what calls itself the visible church. Though they were used by God to do mighty deeds, Peter and Paul would never let anyone bow to them or worship them. Now, there are people who expect and encourage bowing to them leading what calls itself a church. You say doctrine doesn't matter. But, that isn't what the early church thought. In fact, though I don't subscribe to "scholars", most believe the epistles were written to correct errors and warn against errors. Paul, Himself, in his last address to the Ephesian elders--knowing he would never see them again (Acts 20) includes: "For I know this, that fter my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also OF YOUR OWN SELVES SHALL MEN ARISE, SPEAKING PERVERSE THINGS, TO DRAW AWAY DISCIPLES AFTER THEM." (Acts 20:29-30). And, it wasn't only Paul that warned of stuff like that. Jesus, Himself, and almost every New Testament writer did. Even Jesus addressing the churches in Revelation refers to "doctrine". The Apostles appointed Deacons in Acts 6, because they said: "It is not reason that we should leave the Word of God and serve tables.... But, we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the Word." (Acts 6:2, 4) "And, daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ." (Acts 5:42).

The biggest differences between them and most, if not all, visible churches today: "And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that aught of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things in common. And with great power gave the Apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus; and great grace was upon them all. Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, and laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made to every man according as he had need. (Acts 4:32-35)

Do you know of one example of that today? That is the love that people saw from the outside that those who were on the inside had toward each other. They didn't protect themselves, their retirement, their success. They sold it and gave it to the group to distribute as people needed. Wow! You rarely, if ever, see that today. You see people who donate some of their overabundance, but rarely someone who sells what they have and gives it away for the sake of those in need.

So, it is important that we understand what Jesus called love and what His closest followers actively displayed as love. So, it is easy to talk about love, but we have to know what love is from God's perspective. And it is a lot more sacrificial than what is around today.

How do you get back to that, when you have people so indoctrinated into capitalism that the idea of sharing commonly among Christians will be declared socialism or communism?
Interesting reply. I am not going to ask this question to take away from what you share, rather I am curious of the answer.

Have you sold all that you have and distributed the proceeds to the poor or such community that you referred to?

In peace
 
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Nearly all of the Christians I speak with will agree that we should love everyone and put on a pretty good show until you bring up patriotism, war, capital punishment, and sitting on juries condemning the enemies of society. The vast majority of these loving Christians are all about "love" until you cross the line of self-defense or gun ownership to protect against intruders. These loving Christians will invariably return to the Old Testament to prove that God is really okay with murder in certain circumstances of which they are so thankful. Constantine and Augustine opened this Pandora's Box and Christians jump for joy at this new freedom to kill and condemn.
Here is my take on what you share, and your points are excellent. We, whether we have awaken to the fact or not yet, are not of this world. We are citizens of Heaven, right here, right now.

The calling we have as believers is not to get saved, go to church, prosper as much as possible in however we view prosperity, and then die and be whisked off to Heaven. Multitudes now hold this view though, and are walking through life with blinders on to who we really are. We have all... myself included... been asleep.

All that you have listed are a part of this world, and this world is not our home. In these last days, God will awaken us from our spiritual slumber, by gently tosssling is in our spirit. But if that fails to arouse us from our slumber, if needs be He will put a bullhorn to our ear. It is THAT important.

I pray that my words encourage. The army of which is being spoken of will not be made up of religious zealots, but simply saints returning to their first love and, like Saul on the road to Damascus, say “What would you have me to do, Lord?”

Blessings,

Gids
 
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It starts by defining love the way Jesus did, not the way it is defined today. Then, we can check what we think by the way the early church lived it.

First, here is what Jesus said: "Love one another as I have loved you." (John 13:34, 15:12). As one example, Jesus washed the disciples feet. It wasn't the service as much as it was the humility of putting another before yourself that He was teaching. He had the position, but He didn't use it for His own gain. As another, He laid down His life "for His friends" and then He defined what made them a friend: "You are My friends, if you do whatever I command you." (John 15:14) Jesus defined loving Him, too: "He that has My commandments, and keeps them, he it is that loves Me: and he that loves me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him." (John 14:21) "As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My commandments, you shall abide in My love, even as I have kept My Father's commandments, and abide in His love." (John 15:9-10) "These things I command you, that you love one another" (John 15:17).

They reached outside the church, because the church grew. When they weren't thinking big enough, God moved (dispersing believers, Peter's vision, Saul/Paul); but, they were genuinely concerned with taking care of those who were in their own body, not just expanding. I don't see anywhere in Scripture where the monetary resources of the church were given out to non-Christians in evangelistic efforts. I don't see any mention of a pig roast or turkey dinner or hot dogs for all comers. People came because God showed up in powerful ways and they came for that AND God's testimony is what led to their want to convert not that they liked the hot dogs and the people were nice. Apostles and Evangelists went out. I am sure the house churches grew because those in them talked with others, too. Scripture says that the money and food resources were distributed as those in the church had need, so nobody was lacking. When people were lacking, a fix was put in place. I don't see anywhere in Scripture where the church building or pastor's homes were so extravagant that they couldn't allow fellow Christians to come in or in time of a "natural disaster"--allow the community to partake of the shelter, because they have too much of value they are afraid to have stolen.

Today, look in most visible american churches and you will see the "haves" and the "have nots" sitting in the same church and leaving just as they came--the haves and the havenots. But, that isn't what the earliest church looked like at all. Granted and sadly, that seems to have changed once the gentile churches started arriving on the scene. But, prior to the addition of the gentiles, there were minimal questions on whose doctrine was right, because God was confirming the Word preached with accompanying signs. Now, much of the visible church would call those who have those same accompanying signs frauds or at least completely disregard them to protect their own income stream. Even before the church kicked off, John the Baptist didn't worry about losing his to Jesus. He wasn't trying to win a people or baptism war with Jesus. He was trying to do what he was called to do and acknowledged: "He must increase and I must decrease." If only that could be seen consistently somewhere in what calls itself the visible church. Though they were used by God to do mighty deeds, Peter and Paul would never let anyone bow to them or worship them. Now, there are people who expect and encourage bowing to them leading what calls itself a church. You say doctrine doesn't matter. But, that isn't what the early church thought. In fact, though I don't subscribe to "scholars", most believe the epistles were written to correct errors and warn against errors. Paul, Himself, in his last address to the Ephesian elders--knowing he would never see them again (Acts 20) includes: "For I know this, that fter my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also OF YOUR OWN SELVES SHALL MEN ARISE, SPEAKING PERVERSE THINGS, TO DRAW AWAY DISCIPLES AFTER THEM." (Acts 20:29-30). And, it wasn't only Paul that warned of stuff like that. Jesus, Himself, and almost every New Testament writer did. Even Jesus addressing the churches in Revelation refers to "doctrine". The Apostles appointed Deacons in Acts 6, because they said: "It is not reason that we should leave the Word of God and serve tables.... But, we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the Word." (Acts 6:2, 4) "And, daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ." (Acts 5:42).

The biggest differences between them and most, if not all, visible churches today: "And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that aught of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things in common. And with great power gave the Apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus; and great grace was upon them all. Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, and laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made to every man according as he had need. (Acts 4:32-35)

Do you know of one example of that today? That is the love that people saw from the outside that those who were on the inside had toward each other. They didn't protect themselves, their retirement, their success. They sold it and gave it to the group to distribute as people needed. Wow! You rarely, if ever, see that today. You see people who donate some of their overabundance, but rarely someone who sells what they have and gives it away for the sake of those in need.

So, it is important that we understand what Jesus called love and what His closest followers actively displayed as love. So, it is easy to talk about love, but we have to know what love is from God's perspective. And it is a lot more sacrificial than what is around today.

How do you get back to that, when you have people so indoctrinated into capitalism that the idea of sharing commonly among Christians will be declared socialism or communism?
I agree wholeheartedly with everything you have said. We have ALL slept. And your question at the end is a valid one. But the answer is easy. God is going to awaken them (us) all and they will do what God says, they will light their lamps. Having the oil (the Holy Spirit) is wonderful indeed but should it not concern us that despite that, we walk just like men walk in the world, blinded to the call from our Lord to come up higher?

Let us make sure, however, that we ourselves are fully awakened and have by faith put off our old nature like it is a filthy rag. In doing so, we are removing the stick from our own eye, so that we can truly help others awaken and find the glorious walk God has for them.

Thank you for an excellent post.

Blessings,

Gideon
 
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Interesting reply. I am not going to ask this question to take away from what you share, rather I am curious of the answer.

Have you sold all that you have and distributed the proceeds to the poor or such community that you referred to?

In peace
I pray we all realize that such an action was God driven. These same people lived out their lives pretty much as they always had done until the Holy Spirir awakened them on the day of Pentecost.

But it is important that we all count the cost of following Him. He is always asking for all from us. Not to rob us but because that alone is where we can be blessed and abide in Him. It is important we be made willing to do whatsoever the Spirit of the Lord asks of us, even if we know that at present we cannot do as He asks.... yet.

How do we get from point A to point B? We do not. God has promised to cause us to will and to do of His good pleasure. It is His job to align us with His will. Our part is to center ourselves as lumps of clay on the potter’s wheel and submit ourselves to Him in faith. That is all.

“Faithful is He who caller you who also will do it.”

Each one of our eyes must first be on our own hearts. God is gentle and will draw us back to Him. Let us trust Him unswervinglay and have our hope ignited that our walk cannot only match the walks of the early saints, but exceed them. The early rain was world shaking lay powerful, but glory to God, the latter shall be greater than the former!

Blessings,

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Here is a question we all need to ponder. If Love is the real acid test of our Christianity, how are we doing?

We are told that love is the true test of the validity of our Christian walk. Not our doctrine. Not our church affiliation. It is simply whether we love God with all of our hearts and whether we love our neighbor as we love ourselves. Some say this is a moot point because God sees us as holy, then regardless, all is fine. But is that really the truth?

Let’s be real here. In the book of Acts, men would exclaimed those in the early church "Behold how they love one another!" The love of God was manifested through them so that God would be glorified. Can we honestly say the same, or are we reduced to hiding under our "positional" love when it cannot be seen by any in the world? Is it any wonder they often call us hypocrites? As was foretold, the children of darkness are wiser than the children of light. Ah, but there is good news…. not for long!

Is our situation irreversible? Absolutely not. God longs to make us fruitful, and adorn us with love, joy, peace, and yes, praise God, even self control for those overcome by black addictive sins as I was. BUT..... these fruits cannot grow in the rocky soul of the flesh nature. We must finally bow low before our God and admit what is obvious to everyone except ourselves. We are NOT loving God with all of our hearts. Nor are we loving others as we love ourselves. Self still rules the roost and self must die.

We have heard the call to pick up our cross and deny ourselves. But how?? We cannot kill it, discipline it, ignore it, or tie it up tight enough to allow us to let God love through us. There is a narrow way, and obviously the early church was walking in it. What are we missing? Look, as long as we refuse to admit we need an infusion of God’s love, it will never happen, for it is only when we finally break before Him and cry out for Him to fill us and change us with out WHOLE heart will we find what we so desperately need. Let us remember, He dwells with those who are of a contrite heart, those who hunger and thirst for righteousness.

When we finally confess to Him that we need new hearts, loving hearts, hearts that He can FULLY possess, we will witness..... no, no..... be a part of... the greatest move of God the world has ever seen, and yes, that includes the book of Acts. Impossible, you say? Look, I get it, in this age of a Christianity that only wants to tickle our ears, how can we ever hope to see the joy of our salvation brought back from lukewarm to a full boil, spilling out on others. Many see only the great falling away, and not the promised end gathering that will precede our Lord’s return.

But praise God, even now the Lord is beginning to awaken us to what He has for us in these last days. We as His church have not been born in unity, power, and great love, only to see us limp across the finish line, with self quite intact, sin still overcoming us, with the world laughing at our multitude of divisions, which we call denominations, all bickering and arguing.

And why has this sad state occurred? It is simple. We have limited the Holy one of Israel by our unbelief. We have become satisfied with having our names written in Heaven, but with precious few truly lamenting their fleshliness or hungering after God to change us from the inside out. Jesus has promised to set us free indeed and longs to according to HIS definition, not ours. He has assured us that He will keep us from falling and He will change us from carnal children to overcoming saints. This is our destiny. But we simply have not believed it possible.

But that is all about to change. No more trading our birthright of walking as true overcomers for a mess of pottage. It is time we take possession of the land He has promised us. No more running laps in the wilderness of worldliness, compromise and lukewarm Sunday-go-to-church Christianity. It makes God sick. Should it not do the same to us? He is awakening us to who we are, and who He is in us. And when we do… and believe me, we will, the world will again say "Look! That which bore only briars and thorns has become again like the garden of Eden!" I cannot wait! How about you?

Let it be so, Lord. We are dry bones, but praise God, life is about to flow through us again. The world will marvel, but praise God, we will marvel more. Amaze us Lord with how potent your grace really is. Open our blinded eyes and break our satisfied hearts. Let us, like Paul, see ourselves as wretched men without real victory. And to all who do, wash away their unbelief and realize that we serve the God who will do abundantly above and beyond all that we ask or even think.

Live, bones, live.

Blessings to all.

Gideon
Without reading replies here I'll assume that some might object that faith, not love, is what we'll be judged on, or will render us free from judgment to put it another way. But this would be a complete misunderstanding of the gospel and New Covenant. Faith is meant to justify us, to lead to real justice in man, and certainly not to serve as an excuse to escape the obligation to be just. And the name of that justice or righteousness is love. IOW faith is meant to establish communion with God and communion with God necessarily establishes love in us as it begins to transform us into His image. This is God's work in us, a work we must nevertheless cooperate with and participate in.

Love is the heart and soul of the gospel, it's the reason Jesus came and the motivation behind everything He said and did. And it's what God wants us to develop a hunger and thirst for; it's the light that He wants us to be attracted by, and follow Him in radiating. It's what God wants from-and for-us; it's what makes us beings of true worth. And love acts, by its nature. My church understands this to the point of being able to sum up love's importance this way, quoting a 16th century believer:
"At the evening of life we shall be judged on our love."

That pretty well puts it all into perspective IMO.
 
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It starts by defining love the way Jesus did, not the way it is defined today. Then, we can check what we think by the way the early church lived it.

First, here is what Jesus said: "Love one another as I have loved you." (John 13:34, 15:12). As one example, Jesus washed the disciples feet. It wasn't the service as much as it was the humility of putting another before yourself that He was teaching. He had the position, but He didn't use it for His own gain. As another, He laid down His life "for His friends" and then He defined what made them a friend: "You are My friends, if you do whatever I command you." (John 15:14) Jesus defined loving Him, too: "He that has My commandments, and keeps them, he it is that loves Me: and he that loves me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him." (John 14:21) "As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My commandments, you shall abide in My love, even as I have kept My Father's commandments, and abide in His love." (John 15:9-10) "These things I command you, that you love one another" (John 15:17).

They reached outside the church, because the church grew. When they weren't thinking big enough, God moved (dispersing believers, Peter's vision, Saul/Paul); but, they were genuinely concerned with taking care of those who were in their own body, not just expanding. I don't see anywhere in Scripture where the monetary resources of the church were given out to non-Christians in evangelistic efforts. I don't see any mention of a pig roast or turkey dinner or hot dogs for all comers. People came because God showed up in powerful ways and they came for that AND God's testimony is what led to their want to convert not that they liked the hot dogs and the people were nice. Apostles and Evangelists went out. I am sure the house churches grew because those in them talked with others, too. Scripture says that the money and food resources were distributed as those in the church had need, so nobody was lacking. When people were lacking, a fix was put in place. I don't see anywhere in Scripture where the church building or pastor's homes were so extravagant that they couldn't allow fellow Christians to come in or in time of a "natural disaster"--allow the community to partake of the shelter, because they have too much of value they are afraid to have stolen.

Today, look in most visible american churches and you will see the "haves" and the "have nots" sitting in the same church and leaving just as they came--the haves and the havenots. But, that isn't what the earliest church looked like at all. Granted and sadly, that seems to have changed once the gentile churches started arriving on the scene. But, prior to the addition of the gentiles, there were minimal questions on whose doctrine was right, because God was confirming the Word preached with accompanying signs. Now, much of the visible church would call those who have those same accompanying signs frauds or at least completely disregard them to protect their own income stream. Even before the church kicked off, John the Baptist didn't worry about losing his to Jesus. He wasn't trying to win a people or baptism war with Jesus. He was trying to do what he was called to do and acknowledged: "He must increase and I must decrease." If only that could be seen consistently somewhere in what calls itself the visible church. Though they were used by God to do mighty deeds, Peter and Paul would never let anyone bow to them or worship them. Now, there are people who expect and encourage bowing to them leading what calls itself a church. You say doctrine doesn't matter. But, that isn't what the early church thought. In fact, though I don't subscribe to "scholars", most believe the epistles were written to correct errors and warn against errors. Paul, Himself, in his last address to the Ephesian elders--knowing he would never see them again (Acts 20) includes: "For I know this, that fter my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also OF YOUR OWN SELVES SHALL MEN ARISE, SPEAKING PERVERSE THINGS, TO DRAW AWAY DISCIPLES AFTER THEM." (Acts 20:29-30). And, it wasn't only Paul that warned of stuff like that. Jesus, Himself, and almost every New Testament writer did. Even Jesus addressing the churches in Revelation refers to "doctrine". The Apostles appointed Deacons in Acts 6, because they said: "It is not reason that we should leave the Word of God and serve tables.... But, we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the Word." (Acts 6:2, 4) "And, daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ." (Acts 5:42).

The biggest differences between them and most, if not all, visible churches today: "And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that aught of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things in common. And with great power gave the Apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus; and great grace was upon them all. Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, and laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made to every man according as he had need. (Acts 4:32-35)

Do you know of one example of that today? That is the love that people saw from the outside that those who were on the inside had toward each other. They didn't protect themselves, their retirement, their success. They sold it and gave it to the group to distribute as people needed. Wow! You rarely, if ever, see that today. You see people who donate some of their overabundance, but rarely someone who sells what they have and gives it away for the sake of those in need.

So, it is important that we understand what Jesus called love and what His closest followers actively displayed as love. So, it is easy to talk about love, but we have to know what love is from God's perspective. And it is a lot more sacrificial than what is around today.

How do you get back to that, when you have people so indoctrinated into capitalism that the idea of sharing commonly among Christians will be declared socialism or communism?
All that you share is true, sadly. But here I would remind all of us that there is not some formula for success. What happened in the early church was God driven. If we simply say “Okay, we need to do as they did”, we will fail miserably, for the outer observations you list occurred for one reason and one alone? God changed them from the inside out. And He has shown me clearly that He will do the very same for us.

As we set our eyes on Him, and realize painfully how far we are from the walk we have all been called to, we will finally be brought to the point we truly hate our old nature. That breaking must be our beginning point. They that sow in tears will... WILL... reap in joy.

When we finally see that our flesh will never be improved, never killed off by our paltry efforts, and cry out to our God, He will then open our eyes of faith to believe that we really can put off our old nature by an act of bodacious faith. And when we do, to our joy and amazement, we discover that He transforms our minds from citizens of this world to citizens of Heaven. It is then that we can put on our new natures, natures that He promises to change into His nature as we continue to simply behold Him.

Thank you for an excellent post.

Blessings,

Gideon
 
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Without reading replies here I'll assume that some might object that faith, not love, is what we'll be judged on, or will render us free from judgment to put it another way. But this would be a complete misunderstanding of the gospel and New Covenant. Faith is meant to justify us, to lead to real justice in man, and certainly not to serve as an excuse to escape the obligation to be just. And the name of that justice or righteousness is love. IOW faith is meant to establish communion with God and communion with God necessarily establishes love in us as it begins to transform us into His image. This is God's work in us, a work we must nevertheless cooperate with and participate in.

Love is the heart and soul of the gospel, it's the reason Jesus came and the motivation behind everything He said and did. And it's what God wants us to develop a hunger and thirst for; it's the light that He wants us to be attracted by, and follow Him in radiating. It's what God wants from-and for-us; it's what makes us beings of true worth. And love acts, by its nature. My church understands this to the point of being able to sum up love's importance this way, quoting a 16th century believer:
"At the evening of life we shall be judged on our love."

That pretty well puts it all into perspective IMO.
All this is true, but it is only when with this knowledge firmly placed in our hearts, we admit we STILL are not truly loving as we should, neither God with all our hearts, or our fellow man as we love ourselves, is there any hope for the transformation to begin.

We cannot escape the valley of decision. Our church affiliation will not help us. Our knowledge cannot do so either. We must be broken and come bowed low before our loving God and admit to Him our great and desperate need. He has promised that when we do so, humble ourselves and seek Him with all that is within us to free us from US, He will then roll up His sleeves and do for us, what we could never do, cause us to love as He does.

Blessings,

Gideon
 
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Here is a question we all need to ponder. If Love is the real acid test of our Christianity, how are we doing?

The western church is doing poorly; it is lukewarm. The eastern church is much healthier and there are people all over the world who are crying out for God. It is not a hopeless case, it just seems that way if you live in a western culture and you're surrounded by lukewarm believers.

I am in ministry and trying to get the body of Christ to pray even for a half hour is like fighting a mother badger protecting her young. It's also almost impossible to bring correction because of offense. Christians will break fellowship over silly nonsense at the drop of a hat.

I believe this is because there is very little discipleship. We receive people into church who make a proclamation of faith and allow them to warm the pews for years and decades without being challenged while the community around the church goes to hell.

I also believe that the church as we know it in America isn't biblical. It's churchianity, not Christianity. I don't find the idea of church in the bible that Christians in the community gather once a week to hear one man speak and then disperse. I think church is when believers gather to form a body and then minister Christ to a lost and dying community, making that their lifes priority. That's what I see in Acts. They had everything in common, and had one heart and one soul, and no one said their own possessions were theirs.

This can turn around, when, as you said, we begin to love God and one another. We also need to pray, continuously, for the church and this nation. God is not going to move unless there is repentance in the church.
 
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All this is true, but it is only when with this knowledge firmly placed in our hearts, we admit we STILL are not truly loving as we should, neither God with all our hearts, or our fellow man as we love ourselves, is there any hope for the transformation to begin.

We cannot escape the valley of decision. Our church affiliation will not help us. Our knowledge cannot do so either. We must be broken and come bowed low before our loving God and admit to Him our great and desperate need. He has promised that when we do so, humble ourselves and seek Him with all that is within us to free us from US, He will then roll up His sleeves and do for us, what we could never do, cause us to love as He does.

Blessings,

Gideon
I agree with this. But it's not an overnight transformation either. God molds and perfects us, with struggle and challenges and refining. To love God with our whole heart, soul, mind, and strength, and our neighbor as ourselves, is a very tall order, and must be the goal.
 
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Love is simply doing that which is right. ????
I don't know for sure if we could say it that way? I have to think on that lol
Not so simple.
Well, it is.... simply a choice of the will; choose today who to serve,
and 'why call me Lord', yet do not do what I tell you to do? and so on all through Scripture in harmony, perfectly.
 
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Here is a question we all need to ponder. If Love is the real acid test of our Christianity, how are we doing?

We are told that love is the true test of the validity of our Christian walk. Not our doctrine. Not our church affiliation. It is simply whether we love God with all of our hearts and whether we love our neighbor as we love ourselves. Some say this is a moot point because God sees us as holy, then regardless, all is fine. But is that really the truth?

Let’s be real here. In the book of Acts, men would exclaimed those in the early church "Behold how they love one another!" The love of God was manifested through them so that God would be glorified. Can we honestly say the same, or are we reduced to hiding under our "positional" love when it cannot be seen by any in the world? Is it any wonder they often call us hypocrites? As was foretold, the children of darkness are wiser than the children of light. Ah, but there is good news…. not for long!

Is our situation irreversible? Absolutely not. God longs to make us fruitful, and adorn us with love, joy, peace, and yes, praise God, even self control for those overcome by black addictive sins as I was. BUT..... these fruits cannot grow in the rocky soul of the flesh nature. We must finally bow low before our God and admit what is obvious to everyone except ourselves. We are NOT loving God with all of our hearts. Nor are we loving others as we love ourselves. Self still rules the roost and self must die.

We have heard the call to pick up our cross and deny ourselves. But how?? We cannot kill it, discipline it, ignore it, or tie it up tight enough to allow us to let God love through us. There is a narrow way, and obviously the early church was walking in it. What are we missing? Look, as long as we refuse to admit we need an infusion of God’s love, it will never happen, for it is only when we finally break before Him and cry out for Him to fill us and change us with out WHOLE heart will we find what we so desperately need. Let us remember, He dwells with those who are of a contrite heart, those who hunger and thirst for righteousness.

When we finally confess to Him that we need new hearts, loving hearts, hearts that He can FULLY possess, we will witness..... no, no..... be a part of... the greatest move of God the world has ever seen, and yes, that includes the book of Acts. Impossible, you say? Look, I get it, in this age of a Christianity that only wants to tickle our ears, how can we ever hope to see the joy of our salvation brought back from lukewarm to a full boil, spilling out on others. Many see only the great falling away, and not the promised end gathering that will precede our Lord’s return.

But praise God, even now the Lord is beginning to awaken us to what He has for us in these last days. We as His church have not been born in unity, power, and great love, only to see us limp across the finish line, with self quite intact, sin still overcoming us, with the world laughing at our multitude of divisions, which we call denominations, all bickering and arguing.

And why has this sad state occurred? It is simple. We have limited the Holy one of Israel by our unbelief. We have become satisfied with having our names written in Heaven, but with precious few truly lamenting their fleshliness or hungering after God to change us from the inside out. Jesus has promised to set us free indeed and longs to according to HIS definition, not ours. He has assured us that He will keep us from falling and He will change us from carnal children to overcoming saints. This is our destiny. But we simply have not believed it possible.

But that is all about to change. No more trading our birthright of walking as true overcomers for a mess of pottage. It is time we take possession of the land He has promised us. No more running laps in the wilderness of worldliness, compromise and lukewarm Sunday-go-to-church Christianity. It makes God sick. Should it not do the same to us? He is awakening us to who we are, and who He is in us. And when we do… and believe me, we will, the world will again say "Look! That which bore only briars and thorns has become again like the garden of Eden!" I cannot wait! How about you?

Let it be so, Lord. We are dry bones, but praise God, life is about to flow through us again. The world will marvel, but praise God, we will marvel more. Amaze us Lord with how potent your grace really is. Open our blinded eyes and break our satisfied hearts. Let us, like Paul, see ourselves as wretched men without real victory. And to all who do, wash away their unbelief and realize that we serve the God who will do abundantly above and beyond all that we ask or even think.

Live, bones, live.

Blessings to all.

Gideon
Those who truly are born of the Spirit by faith in the finished work of Christ have been given the Spirit in our hearts 2 Cor 1:22, He purifies our hearts by faith, Acts 15:8, and the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit that was given to us Rom 5:5. We died we’re buried and have been raised with him, Gal 2:20. We did pick up our cross and follow him...where? To Calvary where we died, were buried and were raised with him to new life. The old man is dead. We have been raised a new man, joined to Christ. A true believer does not have to get rid of their self. They are a new self in Christ. Our life in Christ is the walk of faith to believe this trust in the work that God has done and continues to do in us. The world is promoting a secular, humanist do good and be kind to others religion to make the world a global loving community but it is void of God, and especially void of Christ. Christianity is too exclusive and is being rejected and demonized by this agenda. The churche’s role is not to change to world to make it a better place for people’s lives here. It is to be the body of Christ with Christ as the head, loving each other and being ready to give an answer to those who ask about the hope we have in Christ.
 
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In Scripture, isn't obedience specifically required ?
As Jesus Says, if you 'love' God, you will obey Him.
Love being a choice of the will in Scripture, NOT an emotion nor a feeling.

That's not what the OP was getting at. If you love God then obedience is already there. If you have obedience then love is already there. If you have Jesus the Word dwells within you. You see? It's all like looking into a mirror and reflecting what He has taught us and is teaching us now. :yellowheart:

Edit: I should also imply that young Samuel had learned obedience but did not know God. God made Himself known to Samuel by calling him 3 times. But because we are in the New Covenant, God has written His Word upon our heart.
 
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Here is a question we all need to ponder. If Love is the real acid test of our Christianity, how are we doing?

We are told that love is the true test of the validity of our Christian walk. Not our doctrine. Not our church affiliation. It is simply whether we love God with all of our hearts and whether we love our neighbor as we love ourselves. Some say this is a moot point because God sees us as holy, then regardless, all is fine. But is that really the truth?

Let’s be real here. In the book of Acts, men would exclaimed those in the early church "Behold how they love one another!" The love of God was manifested through them so that God would be glorified. Can we honestly say the same, or are we reduced to hiding under our "positional" love when it cannot be seen by any in the world? Is it any wonder they often call us hypocrites? As was foretold, the children of darkness are wiser than the children of light. Ah, but there is good news…. not for long!

Is our situation irreversible? Absolutely not. God longs to make us fruitful, and adorn us with love, joy, peace, and yes, praise God, even self control for those overcome by black addictive sins as I was. BUT..... these fruits cannot grow in the rocky soul of the flesh nature. We must finally bow low before our God and admit what is obvious to everyone except ourselves. We are NOT loving God with all of our hearts. Nor are we loving others as we love ourselves. Self still rules the roost and self must die.

We have heard the call to pick up our cross and deny ourselves. But how?? We cannot kill it, discipline it, ignore it, or tie it up tight enough to allow us to let God love through us. There is a narrow way, and obviously the early church was walking in it. What are we missing? Look, as long as we refuse to admit we need an infusion of God’s love, it will never happen, for it is only when we finally break before Him and cry out for Him to fill us and change us with out WHOLE heart will we find what we so desperately need. Let us remember, He dwells with those who are of a contrite heart, those who hunger and thirst for righteousness.

When we finally confess to Him that we need new hearts, loving hearts, hearts that He can FULLY possess, we will witness..... no, no..... be a part of... the greatest move of God the world has ever seen, and yes, that includes the book of Acts. Impossible, you say? Look, I get it, in this age of a Christianity that only wants to tickle our ears, how can we ever hope to see the joy of our salvation brought back from lukewarm to a full boil, spilling out on others. Many see only the great falling away, and not the promised end gathering that will precede our Lord’s return.

But praise God, even now the Lord is beginning to awaken us to what He has for us in these last days. We as His church have not been born in unity, power, and great love, only to see us limp across the finish line, with self quite intact, sin still overcoming us, with the world laughing at our multitude of divisions, which we call denominations, all bickering and arguing.

And why has this sad state occurred? It is simple. We have limited the Holy one of Israel by our unbelief. We have become satisfied with having our names written in Heaven, but with precious few truly lamenting their fleshliness or hungering after God to change us from the inside out. Jesus has promised to set us free indeed and longs to according to HIS definition, not ours. He has assured us that He will keep us from falling and He will change us from carnal children to overcoming saints. This is our destiny. But we simply have not believed it possible.

But that is all about to change. No more trading our birthright of walking as true overcomers for a mess of pottage. It is time we take possession of the land He has promised us. No more running laps in the wilderness of worldliness, compromise and lukewarm Sunday-go-to-church Christianity. It makes God sick. Should it not do the same to us? He is awakening us to who we are, and who He is in us. And when we do… and believe me, we will, the world will again say "Look! That which bore only briars and thorns has become again like the garden of Eden!" I cannot wait! How about you?

Let it be so, Lord. We are dry bones, but praise God, life is about to flow through us again. The world will marvel, but praise God, we will marvel more. Amaze us Lord with how potent your grace really is. Open our blinded eyes and break our satisfied hearts. Let us, like Paul, see ourselves as wretched men without real victory. And to all who do, wash away their unbelief and realize that we serve the God who will do abundantly above and beyond all that we ask or even think.

Live, bones, live.

Blessings to all.

Gideon

Blessings in Christ Jesus! Good words Gideon. It is really quit simple. Let go and let God. Jump in the backseat and let Him drive. We do not have to wait for this to be, nor do we have to wait for Him to do it. He already has.Who here is truly willing to let go(deny one self) and let God? For those that are truly His, He has already equiped us(Him in us) for every good thing. He has loved us from the beginning , how is it we can not just let go and trust Him? So the message I bring today, to The Body of Christ, is simple; just let go and trust Him. Trust Him, to lead you, and guide you, unto all righteousness. Trust Him to lead you home. This I have done for a while now. I am not worthy of it, but yet He is.
 
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So if there is something in our walks that is missing, something that makes the power and glory that was the early church seem dreamlike and unobtainable to us and what we have become as the modern church, what is it?
May I humbly share what God has asked me to share?

Gulp. here goes....

Twelve years ago, after 38 years of failure as a Christian to walk pleasing to God, I had arrived at a place of true hopelessness. I had no more new things to try. No more new leaves to turn over. If purity of heart was necessary to see God, I had no hope of ever doing so. And that was a weight that was crushing me.

It was that night of darkness of soul that God had mercy on me and appeared to me. Yes, in person. A golden light brighter than the sun filled my room and put me on my face. What did God look like? I have no clue. Even if I had looked up, which I was terrified to do, the tears would have prevented me. And it was just then, when I had cried out saying that His way was too high, too hard, impossible, that He spoke. Yes, audibly. This is what I heard.

“For this, my son, I am well pleased.”

Say what? My mind reeled. For almost four decades I had tried and failed to feel I was pleasing Him, and now, in the midst of my failure, now He tells me? My mind reeled for it made no sense.

But he did not stop there, and the confusion I felt from His words were washed away by what He then said.

“I knew all along that you could not walk the walk I had for you, but you did not yet know it.”

I finally knew it. Praise God for that three letter word YET.

He continued.

“In all your struggles and trying, did you ever do what I had instructed you through my servant Paul?”

And immediately, He opens my eyes to that of which He spoke. It was found in Romans 6. Here, Paul tells us there are two facts we must know.

1) When Christ died, so did we. DID.

2) When Christ rose from the dead, so did we. DID.

And here we finally come to the secret that had been hidden from my eyes, and the eyes of the vast majority of the church, ever since the grievous wolves Paul knew would come after His death had taken root in the bride.

And what is this great and powerful secret? Here goes. Paul instructs us then to DO something. Yes, do. And what is this task that we have missed? This critical key to walking as the overcomes we were meant to be? The flu in the ointment that has prevented us from bearing much fruit? It is this.

We are instructed.... commanded... to reckon ourselves dead to sin and alive unto Him.

Guys, in those thirty-eight years, I had read that verse hundreds of times. Heck, I had the majority of Romans 6-8 memorized. I knew a secret was hidden here. But never, not once, had I ever done what He plainly had told me... told us....to DO.

So what did I do? Heck, it was a no brainer. I did it! I reckoned! Through my tears, I spoke... out loud. I spoke loudly out loud! LOL. Loud enough for all the demons of hell to hear me. Loud enough for every angel in Heaven to hear me. But most importantly, I spoke loud enough for my own ears to hear me, for faith comes by hearing truth spoken, even if it comes from our own mouth.

I confessed that the old me, the one I had tried and failed to control, to kill, was dead. Not dying. D E A D! I confessed that sin now longer was my master and that I was a new creature in Christ, alive unto Him. And dear brothers and sisters, When I did, the chains that had bound me all those miserable years fell off with a resounding crash.

I had finally come into agreement with God. And praise God, I could say with a straight face that I actually was crucified with Christ, and it was no more I that lives but Christ who now lived in me. Glory to God!

I am sure what I have shared so far as made all sorts of questions arise in hearts of readers. I get it, lol. I am sure many will be skeptical. I get that too. In the coming days, I will do my best to answer questions any may have and to share the things God has asked me to share.

Look, I am nothing. I do not know why I was shown these things. I deserve far less than any of you here. But I cannot deny what happened, and continues to happen to me. I have far to go on my journey of faith. But in the last 12 years, God has changed me from a legalistic, angry sin-bound man into someone who I can look in the mirror and truly like. Fruits of the Spirit are actually manifesting themselves in me, not through effort on my part, but through me learning to abide in Him. It is an amazing thing to see patience replace quick anger, to see love begin to bubble up inside me. My fellow believers, God has this same thing for you. Praise you Lord!

I have stayed away from the forum lately because I have feared saying “God told me to speak”. A modern Jonah, you could say. But God would not relent and after many spankings and tribulations, , I finally am willing to be a fool for Christ. But I am a fool who loves you all and whatever happens now is His will for me.

May God open hearts to receive the truth that will set us free indeed. To those who dare do so, your lives will never again be the same.

Many blessings,

Gideon

I most love hearing your testimony to what and how the Lord opened up these truths to you. It blesses me so to hear of a believer entering into the freedom we have in Christ. Though, I believe, it is each believers personal journey that must bring them into this freedom that these truths produce. To have and see someone who is brought into these truths and testify that these truths do in fact exist, and are for all believers is a most blessed thing to see.

(Forgive the following boldness.)

As far as being thought a fool. What does it matter to a dead man what others say or think. Obedience to your personal relationship with Christ is our/your everything. This truth you have been brought into, is just the doorway to actually walking in newness of life. Now you need to walk in these/this truth. It is a life long walk. From now on, it will be to the degree(s) of death to self you appropriate to yourself that your growth in Christ consists. For just being set free from the bondage of self is not Christ being formed in the you the believer. It is just getting rid of the hinderances that prevent Him from forming Himself in the you, the believer. Which is something that only He can do. (For how can a created being form their Creator in themselves? They can’t. It has to be done by God Himself, in and to the creature.) Death to self is just the doorway that opens the possibility of it being brought to manifestation. It, actually being brought to manifestation, is to the degree the believer reckons themselves dead to sin and alive unto God (to all things and circumstances.) So that God would have free reign in the believers life to bring the believer into all the Mystery of Christ, at His speed, according to His timetable, (which is in fact to the degree the believer is capable of growing) that He could move the believer where and how He wills and the believer being pliable in His hand. We as believers are asked to “present ourselves as living sacrifices to God which is our reasonable service. It is the willingness to be a “living sacrifice” before God we are called to. Knowing that God only works and blesses righteousness, so righteousness being walked in, is the soil He needs, to grow Himself in the believer. For of a truth, nothing matters but the new creation.

Forgive the boldness, you know you are much loved.

Blessings,

Much love in Christ, Not me
 
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Here is a question we all need to ponder. If Love is the real acid test of our Christianity, how are we doing?

We are told that love is the true test of the validity of our Christian walk. Not our doctrine. Not our church affiliation. It is simply whether we love God with all of our hearts and whether we love our neighbor as we love ourselves. Some say this is a moot point because God sees us as holy, then regardless, all is fine. But is that really the truth?

Let’s be real here. In the book of Acts, men would exclaimed those in the early church "Behold how they love one another!" The love of God was manifested through them so that God would be glorified. Can we honestly say the same, or are we reduced to hiding under our "positional" love when it cannot be seen by any in the world? Is it any wonder they often call us hypocrites? As was foretold, the children of darkness are wiser than the children of light. Ah, but there is good news…. not for long!

Is our situation irreversible? Absolutely not. God longs to make us fruitful, and adorn us with love, joy, peace, and yes, praise God, even self control for those overcome by black addictive sins as I was. BUT..... these fruits cannot grow in the rocky soul of the flesh nature. We must finally bow low before our God and admit what is obvious to everyone except ourselves. We are NOT loving God with all of our hearts. Nor are we loving others as we love ourselves. Self still rules the roost and self must die.

We have heard the call to pick up our cross and deny ourselves. But how?? We cannot kill it, discipline it, ignore it, or tie it up tight enough to allow us to let God love through us. There is a narrow way, and obviously the early church was walking in it. What are we missing? Look, as long as we refuse to admit we need an infusion of God’s love, it will never happen, for it is only when we finally break before Him and cry out for Him to fill us and change us with out WHOLE heart will we find what we so desperately need. Let us remember, He dwells with those who are of a contrite heart, those who hunger and thirst for righteousness.

When we finally confess to Him that we need new hearts, loving hearts, hearts that He can FULLY possess, we will witness..... no, no..... be a part of... the greatest move of God the world has ever seen, and yes, that includes the book of Acts. Impossible, you say? Look, I get it, in this age of a Christianity that only wants to tickle our ears, how can we ever hope to see the joy of our salvation brought back from lukewarm to a full boil, spilling out on others. Many see only the great falling away, and not the promised end gathering that will precede our Lord’s return.

But praise God, even now the Lord is beginning to awaken us to what He has for us in these last days. We as His church have not been born in unity, power, and great love, only to see us limp across the finish line, with self quite intact, sin still overcoming us, with the world laughing at our multitude of divisions, which we call denominations, all bickering and arguing.

And why has this sad state occurred? It is simple. We have limited the Holy one of Israel by our unbelief. We have become satisfied with having our names written in Heaven, but with precious few truly lamenting their fleshliness or hungering after God to change us from the inside out. Jesus has promised to set us free indeed and longs to according to HIS definition, not ours. He has assured us that He will keep us from falling and He will change us from carnal children to overcoming saints. This is our destiny. But we simply have not believed it possible.

But that is all about to change. No more trading our birthright of walking as true overcomers for a mess of pottage. It is time we take possession of the land He has promised us. No more running laps in the wilderness of worldliness, compromise and lukewarm Sunday-go-to-church Christianity. It makes God sick. Should it not do the same to us? He is awakening us to who we are, and who He is in us. And when we do… and believe me, we will, the world will again say "Look! That which bore only briars and thorns has become again like the garden of Eden!" I cannot wait! How about you?

Let it be so, Lord. We are dry bones, but praise God, life is about to flow through us again. The world will marvel, but praise God, we will marvel more. Amaze us Lord with how potent your grace really is. Open our blinded eyes and break our satisfied hearts. Let us, like Paul, see ourselves as wretched men without real victory. And to all who do, wash away their unbelief and realize that we serve the God who will do abundantly above and beyond all that we ask or even think.

Live, bones, live.

Blessings to all.

Gideon

The true test of love is following Jesus His way and not our own way.

As the Christian saying goes, it's....

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Jesus said if you love me, keep my commandments (John 14:15). The Bible teaches that we can overcome grievous sin in this life (1 Peter 4:1-2, Galatians 5:16, Galatians 5:24, Romans 13:14, 1 Corinthians 10:13). Most believe contrary to these verses and that you can abide in unrepentant grievous sin and still be saved today by having a belief on Jesus. So they are starting off their faith at the wrong starting point and they are not believing their Bible. Most today believe you can willfully do evil and still be saved. This will not change until Christ comes back. For Jesus says, "...when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" (Luke 18:8). "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;" (1 Timothy 4:1-2).

1 "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was." (2 Timothy 3:1-9).

Most prefer their sin over loving Jesus by obeying Him. We can overcome grievous sin in this life by our surrendering to the Lord and telling others the truth of what God's Word really says and by loving others (According to His Word). We need to ask the Lord for help to do it His way and not our own way.
 
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I would like to consider this for a moment. If love is an action, then the weight of the failure we as Christians bear sits squarely on our shoulders. Just like under the old covenant, we are faced with the principle DO AND YOU SHALL BE. Can we simply choose to turn our cheek to someone who strikes us? Is it truly possible by a simple force of will to love our neighbor as ourselves? If so, why are none of us doing it?

Is it possible to escape Romans 7 and the constant failure by simply forcing ourselves to obey? In my case, terribly addicted to inappropriate content, I tried to stop again and again and failed miserably. As much as we may want to obey, to love God with every fiber of our heart, to truly selflessly love our neighbor as ourselves, are we? If not, why not?

What did the early believers possess that we do not? Did they simply choose to love, which places is as modern believers squarelay in the crosshairs of disobedience?

Do we remember what the servant who made no gain with his one talent told the master? “I knew you were a hard taskmaster who reaps where he has not sown.” Is this the God we serve? No. A thousand times no. If God wants love to come forth from us, and obedience to be the path we always walk in, He first must fill us full.

Is this not how the fruits of the Spirit work? Are we not promised that is we all walk in the Spirit, we WILL NOT fulfill the lusts of the flesh. Can we simply choose to be joyful? Is self control simply a choice or is it an outflow of God in us, causing us to walk as He pleases? No, dear saints. The new covenant is not Do and you shall be. It is BE AND YOU SHALL DO. Glory to God!

Is He not the potter and we the clay? Are we not promised that if we simply abide in Him, we will bear MUCH fruit? To will and to do of His good pleasure? This leaves us but one conclusion. We have not learned to abide in Him. Ouch, huh?

It is this painful fact that we have a hard time admitting. But in order to truly seek the place where we do love as Christ loves, Christ must love others through us. Love may not be defined as a feeling, but praise God, when Christ fills us with His love for us, it will by nature flow out from us..... and yes, it feels WONDERFUL! :)

If we are to ever break free of our mindset that we are in possession of all God has for us and have need of nothing, and reach up to Him to be truly filled and changed into His image, the first thing we must do is admit that the path we are on is not cutting it. Something is amiss. Only then can we receive the miracle God has for each one of us.

Scotty, it is so good to see you again. I hope you are doing well.

Blessings,

Gideon

I would recommend Alan Ballou's videos. Here is one of his recent videos that might help you.

 
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Nearly all of the Christians I speak with will agree that we should love everyone and put on a pretty good show until you bring up patriotism, war, capital punishment, and sitting on juries condemning the enemies of society. The vast majority of these loving Christians are all about "love" until you cross the line of self-defense or gun ownership to protect against intruders. These loving Christians will invariably return to the Old Testament to prove that God is really okay with murder in certain circumstances of which they are so thankful. Constantine and Augustine opened this Pandora's Box and Christians jump for joy at this new freedom to kill and condemn.

I agree. You may be interested in this CF thread I created here:

Pacifism as Taught in the New Testament is Moral and Good.
 
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