If the Bible is so cut and dry why do no two Christians agree on doctrine?

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I quoted you already.Maybe I misunderstood your meaning in post #116. I took that to mean that grace and truth did not come by Jesus Christ.
Why?
I did not even imply that, let alone say that.
Remember Yahweh is unchanged and unchangable, eternity past thru eternity future and outside time forever...
Grace and Truth have not changed as He has not changed.
 
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Why?
I did not even imply that, let alone say that.
Remember Yahweh is unchanged and unchangable, eternity past thru eternity future and outside time forever...
Grace and Truth have not changed as He has not changed.
Yes you did imply that. That is why I asked the question. But I know from dealing with you on other posts that you like the circular argument. I will not be baited into your double speaking.
 
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Yes you did imply that. That is why I asked the question. But I know from dealing with you on other posts that you like the circular argument. I will not be baited into your double speaking.
So you did not understand my post,
you inferred or deduced what you thought
based on false information from somewhere else... (could be a serious problem, or nothing) ...
 
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So you did not understand my post, and don't like the truth ? You did the mis-understanding and false post, not me.

p.s. the bias/ unBiblical teachings common today could lead and have lead to that misunderstanding of truth and grace for millions of people, not just for you.

Here is the truth I posted
John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

If you say grace and truth came some other way, then you err, I will not argue further about it.
 
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Here is the truth I posted
John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

If you say grace and truth came some other way, then you err, I will not argue further about it.
All Scripture is True - I did not argue with what you posted from Scripture.
I did not say anywhere that grace and truth came from anyone else besides Jesus.
If you believe Jesus was not gracious and merciful ALWAYS, including ever since Creation,
then you err, opposed to Scripture.
 
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Because they try and bend God's word, to fit their church doctrines. Also, they try and interpret the scriptures, rather than letting scripture interpret scripture. Also, they think everything physical, and they understand very little spiritually.
 
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I've heard of a few who believe that we are saved by works and completely disregard Paul's teachings. Do a Google for was Paul a heretic? And you'll come across a lot of sites that call Paul's teachings not in line with the teachings of Jesus. But its all fallacy.
Yeah, there are a lot of crazy stuff in the Internet
 
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There are no recorded groups until the Reformation believing what most Protestants/evangelicals believe. There weren't even any groups outside the mainstream church that believed in the communional elements not being the real body and blood of Christ, with the exception. Of docetists who claimed Christ wasn't actually God.
Not that it matters but Luther seemed to have a compromise belief about transubstantiation calling it 'sacramental union.' So the protestants, who are chiefly criticized for being sola scriptura, and wanting to adhere to scripture as the primary authority over the traditions of men, can have no claim to have roots in 1st century Christianity, the century when the New Testament was written? Luther was 1st a Catholic anyway, so his Catholic lineage takes him back to the schism and beyond.

All the way up to the schism when Rome decided one man could lead the church instead of many and split away, and then the Protestant Reformation amplified that to every individual.
Protestants have organizational structures. They don't use the same titles, but they do have leadership structures, confessions, statements of faith.
 
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When you think about what scripture says that God has given every person THE measure of faith, that it is the faith (that is a gift that we have been given) that works. So whatever you DO is by faith. You feed the hungry by faith. You heal the sick by faith. You cannot do these things without faith.
Atheists and non-Christians do that kind of stuff and they don't have faith.
 
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The Christian Faith is not by works it’s by grace alone.
Works comes under the Law. Christians are not under the Law but under Grace. Christians cannot earn salvation or please God with works. Jews on the other hand are given works by faith. Our Lord Jesus Christ in the gospels peached the Gospel of the Kingdom to Jews not Gentiles. Our Lord Jesus Christ in Paul’s letters preached the Gospel of Grace to the Gentiles.
If you are a Christian don’t put yourself back under the Law where we don’t belong. That’s folly.
Salvation is not about "pleasing God" but being partakers of the divine nature.
 
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Yahweh gives atheists and non-christians good things every day, and they don't have faith.

Every good gift is from Yahweh.
Didn't say otherwise, I implied that even those who don't have faith do good works, so it is not "faith" which makes us do good works.
 
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I agree.

All the Bible is for us (Christians) but it’s not all to us (Christians).
Only Romans to Philemon is directed to Christians because Paul is the Apostle to the Gentiles and all his letters say I’m writing to you the Gentiles.
Genesis to the middle of Acts and Hebrews - Revelation is all to Isreal.
It’s there in the text clear as black and white.
Rightly divide the word.
Isreal and the Body of Christ.
Don’t take my word for it read it and discover it for yourself it’s amazing!

I know your first instinct is to ignore it because it’s new and that was my instinct too but now I see it and I want every believer too to.

Peace be with you.
Read the King James.
All Scriptures is for us.
 
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Revelation is also about Isreal.
Christians are not under judgment.
Christ takes our sins away with His blood if this is false then the cross was in vain and our faith in Him in vain.
The Church is Israel.
 
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So is every man saved?
No. While every man has the measure of faith, every man does not exercise their faith to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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