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On what are you basing - the future person destroys Jerusalem and the temple?

In Zechariah 14, Jesus returns to Jerusalem.

Yes... of course.. still in Dan. 9...

and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

It happened once by Titus... it was a type of what will happen again through the Beast.

Why do you insert here that Jesus returns to Jerusalem? Of course He does. But it says just above, with all clarity... that those things are going to happen to Jerusalem and the sanctuary. Destroy.

Reflexive Dougg. It happened once with Titus... who I claim is the 6th king. It will happen again with the 7th king who will be able to claim lineage through Titus to Alexander to the gods that came down. It's my opinion based on how the scriptures led me. It is a thesis.
 
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and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

It happened once by Titus... it was a type of what will happen again through the Beast.
What I am asking you is what end times prophecy says the beast is going to destroy the city and sanctuary?

The Romans, at the time of Titus did destroy the city and sanctuary. But it is not prophesied that the city and sanctuary would be destroyed again in the end times.
 
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This documentary offers an angle to Rev. 17:8, 10-11 perhaps not considered before. I welcome all input. This was created with laymen and scholars alike. It builds a foundation and then pulls it all together in its summation. There are views here that I have not seen before.

Look at Rev. 17:18 the kings are part of this rule and that city is the city at John's time that reigned (not shall reign) over the kings of the earth and that can only be Rome. So the five roman emperors who had come and gone were Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius and Nero
 
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This documentary offers an angle to Rev. 17:8, 10-11 perhaps not considered before. I welcome all input. This was created with laymen and scholars alike. It builds a foundation and then pulls it all together in its summation. There are views here that I have not seen before.
I want to re-post a link to the book i posted earlier did not realize amazon had it listed for $115.00 (they are crazy asking this)

The book can be purchased here for $9:00
Power to Make War – Grace Evangelical Society
 
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Look at Rev. 17:18 the kings are part of this rule and that city is the city at John's time that reigned (not shall reign) over the kings of the earth and that can only be Rome. So the five roman emperors who had come and gone were Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius and Nero
yes almost

Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius
Nero was the sixth
the beast and its heads = pagan Roman empire under the Julius Caesar dynasty

70AD ended both the High priesthood of Ananias and Caiaphas in Jerusalem (=Babylon) as well as the Caesar dynasty...

everyone who played a direct role in the Crucifixion

then come the 10 horns growing out of the beast = subsequent pagan emperors

Daniel's little horn is the last and greatest of those = Diocletian whose persecution targeted and destroyed every church, every bible, and every church Bishop or leader

but preaching the gospel empowered the Church body of Christ to victory under Constantine = Revelation 19
 
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yes almost

Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius
Nero was the sixth
the beast and its heads = pagan Roman empire under the Julius Caesar dynasty

70AD ended both the High priesthood of Ananias and Caiaphas in Jerusalem (=Babylon) as well as the Caesar dynasty...

everyone who played a direct role in the Crucifixion

then come the 10 horns growing out of the beast = subsequent pagan emperors

Daniel's little horn is the last and greatest of those = Diocletian whose persecution targeted and destroyed every church, every bible, and every church Bishop or leader

but preaching the gospel empowered the Church body of Christ to victory under Constantine = Revelation 19

You are right D... there were 6 Caesars till John, not 5. But I am totally amazed and bewildered as to your following interpretation of the scriptures.... you truly believe that Constantine was Christian? you believe that Christianity being made the state religion and what followed was a victory for the body of Christ? For the "Church"... oh yes, that was a victory. But for the body of Christ... it would become what we call... the dark ages.

And to say Diocletian was the little horn.. my gracious D, what then do we do with all other prophecies througout the Bible of this little horn? was he thrown into the lake of fire already? was there an image made of him that is made to speak?
 
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You are right D... there were 6 Caesars till John, not 5...Constantine was Christian? you believe that Christianity being made the state religion and what followed was a victory for the body of Christ? For the "Church"... oh yes, that was a victory
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The 7th and 8th king are one... intertwined together... = 1.

1. Alexander
2. Ptolemy
3. Seleucus
4. Lysimachus
5. Cassander
6. Titus
7. Man of Sin/Son of Perdition

But the 8th is OF the seven.

"Even he is the eighth, and is of the seven"

He shall exalt himself and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak astonishing things against the God of gods.

He shall not pay attention to any other god, for he shall magnify himself above all.

He will throw truth to the ground

And never the twain shall meet.

When the "man" of sin is revealed as the 8th king, he will take over from the existing 7.

Why don't i just tell Y'all what the seven heads, the seven mountains of the composite beast are?

I wonder if conglomerate beast sounds better.

Conglomerate
con·glom·er·ate
noun
/kənˈɡlämərət/
  1. 1.
    a number of different things or parts that are put or grouped together to form a whole but remain distinct entities.
    "the Earth is a specialized conglomerate of organisms"
    synonyms: mixture, mix, combination, amalgamation, union, marriage,fusion, composite, synthesis; More
  2. 2.
    GEOLOGY
    a coarse-grained sedimentary rock composed of rounded fragments (> 2 mm) within a matrix of finer grained material.
    "the sediments vary from coarse conglomerate to fine silt and clay"
adjective
/kənˈɡlämərət/
  1. 1.
    relating to a conglomerate, especially a large corporation.
    "conglomerate businesses"
    synonyms: aggregate, agglomerate, amassed, combined
    "a conglomerate mass"
verb
/kənˈɡläməˌrāt/
  1. 1.
    gather together into a compact mass.
    "atoms that conglomerate at the center"
    synonyms: coalesce, unite, join, combine, merge, fuse, consolidate,amalgamate, integrate, mingle, intermingle
    "the debris conglomerated into planets"
Out of one of them came a little horn.

And instead of it there came up four conspicuous horns toward the four winds of heaven.

9Out of one of them came a little horn, which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the glorious land. 10It grew great, even to the host of heaven. And some of the host and somea of the stars it threw down to the ground and trampled on them. 11It became great, even as great as the Prince of the host. And the regular burnt offering was taken away from him, and the place of his sanctuary was overthrown.12And a host will be given over to it together with the regular burnt offering because of transgression,b and it will throw truth to the ground, and it will act and prosper. 13Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to the one who spoke, “For how long is the vision concerning the regular burnt offering, the transgression that makes desolate, and the giving over of the sanctuary and host to be trampled underfoot?” 14And he said to me,c “For 2,300 evenings and mornings. Then the sanctuary shall be restored to its rightful state.”​

The Interpretation of the Vision

The "THEM" of verse 9 is not talking about four earthly kings anymore. There has been a shift in the geography, AND in the time, a jump from the days of antiquity, to the end of the world. Both at verse 9, and at verse 23. There has to be a jump because the vision is for the time of the end.

How long is the vision concerning the regular burnt offering, the transgression that makes desolate, and the giving over of the sanctuary and host to be trampled underfoot?” It would be a LONG time. Much would need to transpire between THEN and NOW. Even including the Sanctuary, which would need to be restored to it's rightful state, and that would not even begin to take place until 2300 years after 457BC. The "Sanctuary" mentioned here is the True Tent, the place of His Sanctuary, the temple in Heaven.

"And he said to me, “For 2,300 evenings and mornings. Then the sanctuary shall be restored to its rightful state.”​

So the "THEM" of verse 9 are NOT Alexanders four generals, they can't be. That is where the shift in time occurs. The "THEM" of verse 9 are: "the FOUR WINDS of HEAVEN". Out of one of THEM, "the FOUR WINDS of HEAVEN", comes a little horn. Out of one of the four winds of Heaven comes a little horn. Cast out from the North wind of Heaven, comes our end time "man" of sin, our end time Antichrist.

Even as great as the Prince of the host.

We are also talking about DIRECTION now as this little horn grows to the south, toward the east, and toward the United States Glorious Land which is west. This means that the little horn comes from the North. The little horn is the stern faced King of the North from Daniel 11. The little horn is Lucifer. Even as great as the Prince of the host? Only the dragon can empower our end time composite beast. Only the "man" of sin, "is this the "man" that made the nations tremble", can fulfill all the other specifications of Daniel 8 and 11. Only Lucifer could rise up to the Prince of the host, to the Place of His Sanctuary, in Heaven's Temple.

The dragon was cast out of Heaven on Resurrection Sunday, "now is the time for the god of this world to be cast out", he was immediately thrown into the earth, into the abyss, he will soon come up from the abyss and go to his destruction. He is the son of destruction, the son of perdition. And we are living at the latter end of his kingdom, the kingdom of the transgressors.

"And at the latter end of their kingdom, when the transgressors have reached their limit, a king of bold face, one who understands riddles, shall arise.​

We are here. We are living at the latter end of the kingdom of the rebels, the kingdom of the transgressors.

1) The Netherlands (2000)
2) Belgium (2003)
3) canada (2005)
4) Spain (2005)
5) South Africa (2006)
6) Norway (2009)
7) Sweden (2009)
8) Argentina (2010)
9) Iceland (2010)
10) Portugal (2010)
11) Denmark (2012)
12) Brazil (2013)
13) England and Wales (2013)
14) France (2013)
15) New Zealand (2013)
16) Uruguay (2013)
17) Luxembourg (2014)
18) Scotland (2014)
19) Finland: (signed 2015, effective 2017)
20) Ireland: (2015)
21) United States: (2015)<-------1290 Days------->Sun/Moon.

"And at the latter end of their kingdom,
when the transgressors have reached their limit,
a king of bold face, one who understands riddles, shall arise.


Think of it like the "abomination that makes desolate" is when the "transgressors have reached their limit". Notice a Divine "limit to transgression", it's the kingdom of the transgressors now, not the kingdom of the 4 horns anymore. This is not talking about a specific nation or kingdom on earth. This is referring to the prevailing number, or group of world wide transgressing individuals. This is the kingdom we are living in now of rebellious peoples and nations and tongues that the composite beast has risen from.

The composite beast is here. I can hear it open it's mouth to blaspheme God and his dwelling place and those who live in Heaven. So that means that the dragon is here now too, giving IT his power and his throne and his great authority. That authority he does not give to five or six dead human kings.

The seven heads are here with us and all alive right now. They are ALSO seven mountains which have blasphemous names written on their heads. The composite beast could not rise from the sea without them.

John was seeing the vision of this conglomerate beast at a time when it was not fully formed:

"The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast.​

With ten CROWNS on its ten horns, and on each religious head a blasphemous name written. The "ten horns" are the government portion of the composite beast, the seven mountains, the seven kings, are the seven religious authorities. Each of them having a "blasphemous" name written of them should be a hint that they had something to do with religion. The composite beast is church and state. The composite beast represents the governments and religions of the many nations and peoples and tongues of the world that this beast rises from.

Every person that dwells upon the face of the whole earth can trace a connection to one of the seven heads of this composite beast. So know therefore and understand that the explanation can at times drift a bit close to where some of us live. I, on the other hand, consider myself a virgin, not to be defiled by churches women.

This calls for a mind with wisdom.

The only way this riddle can be solved is if the reader can consider one of the "historicist" positions on Daniel 7 and Revelation 12. It won't work or make sense any other way. And that is because identifying the "head" that was wounded by the sword and yet lives is the key.

In 1798 during the French Revolution, Pope Pius was captured and died in a French jail cell. The Vatican was put out of commission until 1929 when Benito Mussolini got it going again during the Lateran treaty.

If one can at least consider the possibility that this wounded "head" was the 6th king in 1798, then the remaining "heads" must be something of the same kind of thing. He was looking fairly healed in this video i saw where he was addressing congress.

“This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.​

If this calls for a mind with wisdom, and it does, then only He can give that wisdom to the wise. I recommend the translations that use the word:"mountains", not hills.

And there's four beasts in Revelation's narrative. The first beast, the composite beast of Revelation 13, is NOT the "man" of sin.

This beast is also not same as Daniel 7's beast, it's the end time version of it. Daniel 7's beast had three kings plucked up by the roots. These were in the Foxe Book days of the middle ages. Our end time composite beast will not have three of it's kings plucked up by their roots. All ten of these end time kings will be thrown, WITH the composite beast that they are a part of, into the lake of fire as part of the second coming events.

The composite beast is a conglomerate of church and state that will ultimately be controlled by the devil himself. So my story on it is spooky because i am saying that the composite beast is now, we are in it's 42 months of authority now. I can hear it open it's mouth to blaspheme God and His dwelling place and those who live in Heaven. It is saying unheard of things against the God of gods. So then if that's true, it also means that the man of sin is here as well. Because it is he who gives his power and his throne and his great authority to the composite beast.

And don't worry about finding the ten kings right now because they are not here yet. But realizing that the ten horns with the crowns are the "kings", that have the "ten diadems on its horns", should be indicative of these being the governments or the civil portion of the composite beast's authority. For now just go looking for the seven major religious authorities that are preeminent in their class.

Heads and mountains and kings that have fallen. And lions and tigers and bears, Oh My. Loosen up a little on the language Dorothy and google some definitions. "Fallen" does not always mean out of business or out of commission. Think about a fallen woman, she's not dead, just fallen from grace.

And think about how the mountains are more than symbolic for places of worship or where the deities are thought to dwell. Mount Zion, God's Holy hill, mount Moriah, the high places of the OT where they erected the ashterah poles. And how the pagans in south America would make a pilgrimage up the mountain to worship their gods.

"As for me, I have set my King on Zion, my Holy Hill.​

"He will pitch the tents of his royal pavilion between the seas and the beautiful Holy Mountain; yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him.
Budweiser is the "king" of beers.

And "king" doesn't always mean the ruler of a kingdom, it can also be used to refer to something preeminent in it's class. In the USA, Budweiser is the "king" of beers. In Europe, soccer is the "king" of sports. And in the middle east, Islam is the "king" of religion. Cotton may no longer be "king", but remains the chief cash crop.

king
noun

\ ˈkiŋ \
Definition of King
(Entry 1 of 9)

1a: a male monarch of a major territorial unitespecially : one whose position is hereditary and who rules for life
b: a paramount chief

2 capitalized : GOD, CHRIST… to worship the King, the Lord of hosts …—Zechariah 14:16 (Revised Standard Version)

3: one that holds a preeminent position especially : a chief among competitors the cattle kings rode up from the south—Alan Moorehead even if no longer king, cotton remains the chief cash crop—Howell Walker

"This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while.​

The Seven Heads.

When John spoke with the angel in AD95 these following five religious belief systems had "fallen", been proven false, by Jesus' birth, death and resurrection:

1) Atheism. This is defined as the belief that there is no God or gods. It might not sound like a religion, but it's a system of belief that remains today as i can see them still arguing on different forums.

2) Paganism. A type of polytheism. A belief in a number of subordinate gods.

3) Eastern Mysticism. Including Buddhism and Hinduism. The idea that man can transcend himself and reincarnate into a god.

4) Judaism. The failed attempt at salvation coming through works alone.

5) Islam. Also Mohammedanism. The middle eastern religion that sprang from Ishmael's 12 sons.​

The early christian church was just forming when John spoke with the angel in AD95 and would become known as the one that is:

6) Catholicism. The traditions and beliefs of Catholic Churches became bigger than it's religion. Their theology, liturgy, ethics and spirituality. The Holy See. See Popery. The Catholic Church is the main and the earliest form of Christianity.​

The one that had not yet come in AD95 got started in around 1517. It's "little" while appears to be about over. For the message now is that faith without works is dead.

"I will show you my faith BY my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?​

7) Protestantism. The second largest form of Christianity. Protestantism is popularly considered to have begun in Germany in 1517 when Martin Luther published his Ninety-five Theses as a reaction against abuses in the sale of indulgences by theRoman Catholic Church.​

When the 8th king is revealed he will complete this picture. The 8th king is also an identifier of the seven heads. The 8th is OF the seven. He is of the same KIND. The 8th king is Lucifer's theocratic church state, the MOTHER of all the harlots. For he will have no gods before him. He will not have the desire of women, the desire of churches, which is Jesus.

When the Man of Sin is revealed, he will take over the role of all other religions. He will make a carbon copy "image" of that 6th head that was wounded by the sword in 1798, began it's healing in 1929, and yet lives and will cause everyone to worship it.

"And all who dwell on earth will worship it,
everyone whose name has NOT been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.
A long note on a,
Peaceful Sabbath.

"And he shall pitch his palatial tents between the sea and the glorious Holy Mountain. Yet he shall come to his end, with none to help him.​
 
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But the 8th is OF the seven.

"Even he is the eighth, and is of the seven"

He shall exalt himself and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak astonishing things against the God of gods.

He shall not pay attention to any other god, for he shall magnify himself above all.

He will throw truth to the ground

And never the twain shall meet.

When the "man" of sin is revealed as the 8th king, he will take over from the existing 7.

Why don't i just tell Y'all what the seven heads, the seven mountains of the composite beast are?

I wonder if conglomerate beast sounds better.

Conglomerate
con·glom·er·ate
noun
/kənˈɡlämərət/
  1. 1.
    a number of different things or parts that are put or grouped together to form a whole but remain distinct entities.
    "the Earth is a specialized conglomerate of organisms"
    synonyms: mixture, mix, combination, amalgamation, union, marriage,fusion, composite, synthesis; More
  2. 2.
    GEOLOGY
    a coarse-grained sedimentary rock composed of rounded fragments (> 2 mm) within a matrix of finer grained material.
    "the sediments vary from coarse conglomerate to fine silt and clay"
adjective
/kənˈɡlämərət/
  1. 1.
    relating to a conglomerate, especially a large corporation.
    "conglomerate businesses"
    synonyms: aggregate, agglomerate, amassed, combined
    "a conglomerate mass"
verb
/kənˈɡläməˌrāt/
  1. 1.
    gather together into a compact mass.
    "atoms that conglomerate at the center"
    synonyms: coalesce, unite, join, combine, merge, fuse, consolidate,amalgamate, integrate, mingle, intermingle
    "the debris conglomerated into planets"
Out of one of them came a little horn.

And instead of it there came up four conspicuous horns toward the four winds of heaven.

9Out of one of them came a little horn, which grew exceedingly great toward the south, toward the east, and toward the glorious land. 10It grew great, even to the host of heaven. And some of the host and somea of the stars it threw down to the ground and trampled on them. 11It became great, even as great as the Prince of the host. And the regular burnt offering was taken away from him, and the place of his sanctuary was overthrown.12And a host will be given over to it together with the regular burnt offering because of transgression,b and it will throw truth to the ground, and it will act and prosper. 13Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to the one who spoke, “For how long is the vision concerning the regular burnt offering, the transgression that makes desolate, and the giving over of the sanctuary and host to be trampled underfoot?” 14And he said to me,c “For 2,300 evenings and mornings. Then the sanctuary shall be restored to its rightful state.”​

The Interpretation of the Vision

The "THEM" of verse 9 is not talking about four earthly kings anymore. There has been a shift in the geography, AND in the time, a jump from the days of antiquity, to the end of the world. Both at verse 9, and at verse 23. There has to be a jump because the vision is for the time of the end.

How long is the vision concerning the regular burnt offering, the transgression that makes desolate, and the giving over of the sanctuary and host to be trampled underfoot?” It would be a LONG time. Much would need to transpire between THEN and NOW. Even including the Sanctuary, which would need to be restored to it's rightful state, and that would not even begin to take place until 2300 years after 457BC. The "Sanctuary" mentioned here is the True Tent, the place of His Sanctuary, the temple in Heaven.

"And he said to me, “For 2,300 evenings and mornings. Then the sanctuary shall be restored to its rightful state.”​

So the "THEM" of verse 9 are NOT Alexanders four generals, they can't be. That is where the shift in time occurs. The "THEM" of verse 9 are: "the FOUR WINDS of HEAVEN". Out of one of THEM, "the FOUR WINDS of HEAVEN", comes a little horn. Out of one of the four winds of Heaven comes a little horn. Cast out from the North wind of Heaven, comes our end time "man" of sin, our end time Antichrist.

Even as great as the Prince of the host.

We are also talking about DIRECTION now as this little horn grows to the south, toward the east, and toward the United States Glorious Land which is west. This means that the little horn comes from the North. The little horn is the stern faced King of the North from Daniel 11. The little horn is Lucifer. Even as great as the Prince of the host? Only the dragon can empower our end time composite beast. Only the "man" of sin, "is this the "man" that made the nations tremble", can fulfill all the other specifications of Daniel 8 and 11. Only Lucifer could rise up to the Prince of the host, to the Place of His Sanctuary, in Heaven's Temple.

The dragon was cast out of Heaven on Resurrection Sunday, "now is the time for the god of this world to be cast out", he was immediately thrown into the earth, into the abyss, he will soon come up from the abyss and go to his destruction. He is the son of destruction, the son of perdition. And we are living at the latter end of his kingdom, the kingdom of the transgressors.

"And at the latter end of their kingdom, when the transgressors have reached their limit, a king of bold face, one who understands riddles, shall arise.​

We are here. We are living at the latter end of the kingdom of the rebels, the kingdom of the transgressors.

1) The Netherlands (2000)
2) Belgium (2003)
3) canada (2005)
4) Spain (2005)
5) South Africa (2006)
6) Norway (2009)
7) Sweden (2009)
8) Argentina (2010)
9) Iceland (2010)
10) Portugal (2010)
11) Denmark (2012)
12) Brazil (2013)
13) England and Wales (2013)
14) France (2013)
15) New Zealand (2013)
16) Uruguay (2013)
17) Luxembourg (2014)
18) Scotland (2014)
19) Finland: (signed 2015, effective 2017)
20) Ireland: (2015)
21) United States: (2015)<-------1290 Days------->Sun/Moon.

"And at the latter end of their kingdom,
when the transgressors have reached their limit,
a king of bold face, one who understands riddles, shall arise.


Think of it like the "abomination that makes desolate" is when the "transgressors have reached their limit". Notice a Divine "limit to transgression", it's the kingdom of the transgressors now, not the kingdom of the 4 horns anymore. This is not talking about a specific nation or kingdom on earth. This is referring to the prevailing number, or group of world wide transgressing individuals. This is the kingdom we are living in now of rebellious peoples and nations and tongues that the composite beast has risen from.

The composite beast is here. I can hear it open it's mouth to blaspheme God and his dwelling place and those who live in Heaven. So that means that the dragon is here now too, giving IT his power and his throne and his great authority. That authority he does not give to five or six dead human kings.

The seven heads are here with us and all alive right now. They are ALSO seven mountains which have blasphemous names written on their heads. The composite beast could not rise from the sea without them.

John was seeing the vision of this conglomerate beast at a time when it was not fully formed:

"The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast.​

With ten CROWNS on its ten horns, and on each religious head a blasphemous name written. The "ten horns" are the government portion of the composite beast, the seven mountains, the seven kings, are the seven religious authorities. Each of them having a "blasphemous" name written of them should be a hint that they had something to do with religion. The composite beast is church and state. The composite beast represents the governments and religions of the many nations and peoples and tongues of the world that this beast rises from.

Every person that dwells upon the face of the whole earth can trace a connection to one of the seven heads of this composite beast. So know therefore and understand that the explanation can at times drift a bit close to where some of us live. I, on the other hand, consider myself a virgin, not to be defiled by churches women.

This calls for a mind with wisdom.

The only way this riddle can be solved is if the reader can consider one of the "historicist" positions on Daniel 7 and Revelation 12. It won't work or make sense any other way. And that is because identifying the "head" that was wounded by the sword and yet lives is the key.

In 1798 during the French Revolution, Pope Pius was captured and died in a French jail cell. The Vatican was put out of commission until 1929 when Benito Mussolini got it going again during the Lateran treaty.

If one can at least consider the possibility that this wounded "head" was the 6th king in 1798, then the remaining "heads" must be something of the same kind of thing. He was looking fairly healed in this video i saw where he was addressing congress.

“This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.​

If this calls for a mind with wisdom, and it does, then only He can give that wisdom to the wise. I recommend the translations that use the word:"mountains", not hills.

And there's four beasts in Revelation's narrative. The first beast, the composite beast of Revelation 13, is NOT the "man" of sin.

This beast is also not same as Daniel 7's beast, it's the end time version of it. Daniel 7's beast had three kings plucked up by the roots. These were in the Foxe Book days of the middle ages. Our end time composite beast will not have three of it's kings plucked up by their roots. All ten of these end time kings will be thrown, WITH the composite beast that they are a part of, into the lake of fire as part of the second coming events.

The composite beast is a conglomerate of church and state that will ultimately be controlled by the devil himself. So my story on it is spooky because i am saying that the composite beast is now, we are in it's 42 months of authority now. I can hear it open it's mouth to blaspheme God and His dwelling place and those who live in Heaven. It is saying unheard of things against the God of gods. So then if that's true, it also means that the man of sin is here as well. Because it is he who gives his power and his throne and his great authority to the composite beast.

And don't worry about finding the ten kings right now because they are not here yet. But realizing that the ten horns with the crowns are the "kings", that have the "ten diadems on its horns", should be indicative of these being the governments or the civil portion of the composite beast's authority. For now just go looking for the seven major religious authorities that are preeminent in their class.

Heads and mountains and kings that have fallen. And lions and tigers and bears, Oh My. Loosen up a little on the language Dorothy and google some definitions. "Fallen" does not always mean out of business or out of commission. Think about a fallen woman, she's not dead, just fallen from grace.

And think about how the mountains are more than symbolic for places of worship or where the deities are thought to dwell. Mount Zion, God's Holy hill, mount Moriah, the high places of the OT where they erected the ashterah poles. And how the pagans in south America would make a pilgrimage up the mountain to worship their gods.

"As for me, I have set my King on Zion, my Holy Hill.​

"He will pitch the tents of his royal pavilion between the seas and the beautiful Holy Mountain; yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him.
Budweiser is the "king" of beers.

And "king" doesn't always mean the ruler of a kingdom, it can also be used to refer to something preeminent in it's class. In the USA, Budweiser is the "king" of beers. In Europe, soccer is the "king" of sports. And in the middle east, Islam is the "king" of religion. Cotton may no longer be "king", but remains the chief cash crop.

king
noun

\ ˈkiŋ \
Definition of King
(Entry 1 of 9)

1a: a male monarch of a major territorial unitespecially : one whose position is hereditary and who rules for life
b: a paramount chief

2 capitalized : GOD, CHRIST… to worship the King, the Lord of hosts …—Zechariah 14:16 (Revised Standard Version)

3: one that holds a preeminent position especially : a chief among competitors the cattle kings rode up from the south—Alan Moorehead even if no longer king, cotton remains the chief cash crop—Howell Walker

"This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while.​

The Seven Heads.

When John spoke with the angel in AD95 these following five religious belief systems had "fallen", been proven false, by Jesus' birth, death and resurrection:

1) Atheism. This is defined as the belief that there is no God or gods. It might not sound like a religion, but it's a system of belief that remains today as i can see them still arguing on different forums.

2) Paganism. A type of polytheism. A belief in a number of subordinate gods.

3) Eastern Mysticism. Including Buddhism and Hinduism. The idea that man can transcend himself and reincarnate into a god.

4) Judaism. The failed attempt at salvation coming through works alone.

5) Islam. Also Mohammedanism. The middle eastern religion that sprang from Ishmael's 12 sons.​

The early christian church was just forming when John spoke with the angel in AD95 and would become known as the one that is:

6) Catholicism. The traditions and beliefs of Catholic Churches became bigger than it's religion. Their theology, liturgy, ethics and spirituality. The Holy See. See Popery. The Catholic Church is the main and the earliest form of Christianity.​

The one that had not yet come in AD95 got started in around 1517. It's "little" while appears to be about over. For the message now is that faith without works is dead.

"I will show you my faith BY my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?​

7) Protestantism. The second largest form of Christianity. Protestantism is popularly considered to have begun in Germany in 1517 when Martin Luther published his Ninety-five Theses as a reaction against abuses in the sale of indulgences by theRoman Catholic Church.​

When the 8th king is revealed he will complete this picture. The 8th king is also an identifier of the seven heads. The 8th is OF the seven. He is of the same KIND. The 8th king is Lucifer's theocratic church state, the MOTHER of all the harlots. For he will have no gods before him. He will not have the desire of women, the desire of churches, which is Jesus.

When the Man of Sin is revealed, he will take over the role of all other religions. He will make a carbon copy "image" of that 6th head that was wounded by the sword in 1798, began it's healing in 1929, and yet lives and will cause everyone to worship it.

"And all who dwell on earth will worship it,
everyone whose name has NOT been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.
A long note on a,
Peaceful Sabbath.

"And he shall pitch his palatial tents between the sea and the glorious Holy Mountain. Yet he shall come to his end, with none to help him.​

He will make a carbon copy "image" of that 6th head that was wounded by the sword in 1798, began it's healing in 1929, and yet lives and will cause everyone to worship it.

Wow Dave... I really don't know what to say, except I'm sorry... I don't agree with any part of your theory. This is... well, I don't know what to say... I don't think God would make it this complicated.
 
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The Seven Heads.

When John spoke with the angel in AD95 these following five religious belief systems had "fallen", been proven false, by Jesus' birth, death and resurrection:
Dave, the 7 heads are 7 kings, men, not 7 religious systems metaphorically as kings.

The 7 heads are already described metaphorically as kings. You have gone beyond that and are making a metaphor out of a metaphor.
 
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Wow Dave... I really don't know what to say, except I'm sorry... I don't agree with any part of your theory. This is... well, I don't know what to say... I don't think God would make it this complicated.

That's pretty much what Richard Ruhling said:

Dave, I appreciate your good spirit but your information blows me away and I don't think God intended for it to be so complex.

I don't think God intended for it to be so complex.

And i think that the dear Doctor Richard is one of the smartest guys i've ever had the pleasure of speaking to. I do hope that i didn't give him a hard time.

So i wouldn't fret over it if i were you. You're in good company brasyl.

And i'm not going to write a long note this time. But what i wrote of those seven heads on the composite beast is not completely original material. I'm not the only one who thinks it's for real.

1. Alexander
2. Ptolemy
3. Seleucus
4. Lysimachus
5. Cassander
6. Titus
7. Man of Sin/Son of Perdition

Think about it like this for a second.

It is the dragon, the devil, that gives his power and his throne and his great authority to the seven headed composite beast. Why would he do that? Because the composite beast is for now, not from the past, it's job is for the last 42 months of this age.

Why would the Devil give his end time authority to 6 dead kings from antiquity?

He wouldn't, because those guys can't do anything for him.

The reason why the dragon is giving his power and his throne and his great authority TO the seven headed composite beast, is BECAUSE of the signs that he will be given the power to do ON BEHALF OF, or in the presence of, the composite beast.

The composite beast rises from the sea of many nations and peoples and tongues of ALL the world's religions. It got to do that in our modern era when the dragon, the prince of the power of the air, influenced the members of the seven heads to vote their governments into giving them whatever transgressive law they wanted, or was convenient for them. The people voted the thing in, it rose from the sea of people.

The many nations and peoples and tongues wanted legalized abortion, legalized inappropriate contentography and now legalized same sex marriage. Things that God would say NOT to do, the composite beast has legalized. That is how it speaks like a lion, opening it's mouth to blaspheme God and His dwelling place and those who live in heaven.

And inevitably when they've reached their limit, at the latter part of their reign, their bold faced king will appear. He will appear when he CAUSES the fire to fall from Heaven in the full view of men. He will appear when he CAUSES the wrath of God to fall on the sons of disobedience.

It is a bit of a spooky tale to consider that this is happening now, right before our eyes.

Check out this picture, it's cool. I think it's a Dodge Diplomat, or a Chrysler Lebanon Lebaron. My Mom had a Lebaron. It never did run right in the rain.


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It looks like they're protesting the showing of a inappropriate contento movie in this stock photo from May 31, 1980.

Look how far we've fallen.

Except there come a falling away first.

"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.'

"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.​

Prior to 1969, the private possession of inappropriate contentography was NOT legal in the USA.

In 1987, the Supreme Court legalized hardcore inappropriate contentography.

The many peoples have spoken again.

The composite beast opens it's mouth again.

Another thing is, it's the ten horns, with ten diadems on its horns, on the composite beast that ARE the civil authority, not the seven heads.

"The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast.​

Is there 17 kings on the composite beast?

I'll take a break for now, lest i get us all deleted. :) I'll just leave two links to a couple of videos by a really nice guy, Larry Wilson. Larry explains the seven heads, the seven mountains, the seven kings, better than me.

If the links work right, the first one should go to the last 10 minutes of one video that discusses the seven heads, the second link should be at the beginning of the second video which finishes the explanation..

Link#1

Link#2
 
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If the links work right, the first one should go to the last 10 minutes of one video that discusses the seven heads, the second link should be at the beginning of the second video which finishes the explanation..

Link#1

Link#2
In Link # 1, the speaker said the 8th king rules over the seven. But this is not what the text says. He also says the beast in the abyss is lucifer - which is also wrong.

That the 7 heads are said to be 7 mountains and also there being 7 kings - are already metaphors. Taking metaphors and making those metaphors into metaphors is what the speakers is doing.

The seven mountains on which the woman sits are Rome, and the seven kings are 7 kings associated with Rome, and are seven kings of the Roman Empire, the fourth kingdom in Daniel 7.

Is there 17 kings on the composite beast?

There are seven heads and ten horns on the beast. What those represent are
seven sequential kings. Six are historic. And ten kings in the end times that rule together concurrently with each other, who have a kingdom.

The yellow vests are moving Europe in the direction of the ten kings, and it may be rapidly, depending on fast the stock markets sink.
 
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That's pretty much what Richard Ruhling said:





And i think that the dear Doctor Richard is one of the smartest guys i've ever had the pleasure of speaking to. I do hope that i didn't give him a hard time.

So i wouldn't fret over it if i were you. You're in good company brasyl.

And i'm not going to write a long note this time. But what i wrote of those seven heads on the composite beast is not completely original material. I'm not the only one who thinks it's for real.



Think about it like this for a second.

It is the dragon, the devil, that gives his power and his throne and his great authority to the seven headed composite beast. Why would he do that? Because the composite beast is for now, not from the past, it's job is for the last 42 months of this age.

Why would the Devil give his end time authority to 6 dead kings from antiquity?

He wouldn't, because those guys can't do anything for him.

The reason why the dragon is giving his power and his throne and his great authority TO the seven headed composite beast, is BECAUSE of the signs that he will be given the power to do ON BEHALF OF, or in the presence of, the composite beast.

The composite beast rises from the sea of many nations and peoples and tongues of ALL the world's religions. It got to do that in our modern era when the dragon, the prince of the power of the air, influenced the members of the seven heads to vote their governments into giving them whatever transgressive law they wanted, or was convenient for them. The people voted the thing in, it rose from the sea of people.

The many nations and peoples and tongues wanted legalized abortion, legalized inappropriate contentography and now legalized same sex marriage. Things that God would say NOT to do, the composite beast has legalized. That is how it speaks like a lion, opening it's mouth to blaspheme God and His dwelling place and those who live in heaven.

And inevitably when they've reached their limit, at the latter part of their reign, their bold faced king will appear. He will appear when he CAUSES the fire to fall from Heaven in the full view of men. He will appear when he CAUSES the wrath of God to fall on the sons of disobedience.

It is a bit of a spooky tale to consider that this is happening now, right before our eyes.

Check out this picture, it's cool. I think it's a Dodge Diplomat, or a Chrysler Lebanon Lebaron. My Mom had a Lebaron. It never did run right in the rain.


02f8917e-c62f-49c0-ae8f-0e63a79a7955.jpg


It looks like they're protesting the showing of a inappropriate contento movie in this stock photo from May 31, 1980.

Look how far we've fallen.

Except there come a falling away first.

"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.'

"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.​

Prior to 1969, the private possession of inappropriate contentography was NOT legal in the USA.

In 1987, the Supreme Court legalized hardcore inappropriate contentography.

The many peoples have spoken again.

The composite beast opens it's mouth again.

Another thing is, it's the ten horns, with ten diadems on its horns, on the composite beast that ARE the civil authority, not the seven heads.

"The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast.​

Is there 17 kings on the composite beast?

I'll take a break for now, lest i get us all deleted. :) I'll just leave two links to a couple of videos by a really nice guy, Larry Wilson. Larry explains the seven heads, the seven mountains, the seven kings, better than me.

If the links work right, the first one should go to the last 10 minutes of one video that discusses the seven heads, the second link should be at the beginning of the second video which finishes the explanation..

Link#1

Link#2

I'm not familiar with Dr. Ruhling but thank you for the accolade.

Why would the Devil give his end time authority to 6 dead kings from antiquity?

He wouldn't, because those guys can't do anything for him.

I hate to be redundant, but I can't see Rev. 13 meaning anything other than speaking of a particular man that he gives his seat of power and authority to. What the 6 dead kings do for him I believe deals with a lineage from Alexander to Titus. If there is no significance in this perspective, why does God go over and over Alexander and the 4 generals? I asked this long before I ever came to the study recorded in the documentary.

He points to it repeatedly because they are the ones that began an empire that would be divided into lands that the world has dealt with since that time. The Seleucid Empire would become Constantine's, the Eastern leg of Rome. It then moved into the Byzantine Empire, and then the Ottoman, then the British... who eventually restored Israel (more or less) to the Jews.

The lands involved in the Seleucid and Ptolemeic regions are the lands that the governments of the world are plotting for at the moment I write this. They are the lands that are in the line-up of nations presented to us that God deals with in the last days. They are the parties that are at war in Ez. 38-39.

It is out of the Seleucid and Ptolemeic dynasties that God goes into such intricate detail of descending kings and queens in Dan. 11. And from one verse, as He is describing the prototype of the antichrist, Antiochus Epiphanes, who is also dead now btw, who erected an image of a god in the temple, God, in the next verse, slips into the last days and describes the antichrist himself.... of the which an image will also be erected. Antiochus descended from Seleucus.

Dave, why would God go to such lengths in details that are so precise antagonists demand that Daniel was written after the fact?

So what have those dead guys done for Satan?...

All the above.
 
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