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The passion, death, and resurrection of Jesus, the Easter story, is one that I have heard many times before too. It's always so sad to hear how cruelly He was treated and how much He suffered for us at His death. Look at just how much He loves us, that He suffered and died so we might have eternal life. But soon after that comes His glorious resurrection, which is always quite joyful to hear about.
 
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by the way, can you give me the title of the bible kind where it has the original type of writing?
analysis:trust me, i tried one time i think legitimately to get into christianity and the first line in John 14, it basically says believe in god and trust in him and that's hard...it's hard for many i hear and see...i can't track that full 'knowing' feeling and so instead i just believe and not 'know' so therefore i am an agnostic. but of course there's a way since there are already christian believers and who knows God. in line 2, where there are many mansions in the house of god, i'd be glad if god or jesus is indeed preparing a personal room, let alone a mansion for me. well, all i gotta say more is that if jesus is the truth and the way to heaven, unless if there's a better truth, i'd snap that chance if there were no other choice...it seems a good deal. thanks for the sharing of your most recent bible passage.
 
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by the way, can you give me the title of the bible kind where it has the original type of writing?

I am sorry, Drifter. The very original manuscripts of the books that compose the Bible as they were - so we Christians believe - first inspired by the Spirit upon human men to write? That I would not know. I find it hard to believe they would even still exist today.



basically says believe in god and trust in him and that's hard...it's hard for many i hear and see...i can't track that full 'knowing' feeling and so instead i just believe and not 'know' so therefore i am an agnostic.
all i gotta say more is that if jesus is the truth and the way to heaven, unless if there's a better truth,

You seem doubtful, sir, if I may say that with all due respect, and are not "certain", such that so far you know only to believe, but do not have that "head knowledge" that Jesus is real and that He is the way to eternal life. Am I understanding this correctly?

All I can tell you is, I am not sure a person can ever truly, truly KNOW, with 100% accuracy. For me, I choose to believe, because I just cannot see it any other way. I cannot imagine life without trusting and believing in Jesus Christ, but I am not going to pretend to be all super religious and claim that I KNOW Him - that He is Son of God and Savior of mankind from its evils and can grant us immortality and forgiveness of sins - to be proven and as real as the things we physically see around us on planet Earth every day. There's a reason it is called faith, and not science, after all. :) And if my beliefs are indeed not in vain, I suppose I will find in the end that it was the Spirit Himself who witnessed to me and caused me to believe as I do now, so perhaps I never actually chose for myself, completely of my own accord, to believe. But rather, because He already proved Himself to me. :angel:

I hope I have not made incorrect or insulting assumptions about you with this post, or rambled on about myself too long?
 
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I am sorry, Drifter. The very original manuscripts of the books that compose the Bible as they were - so we Christians believe - first inspired by the Spirit upon human men to write? That I would not know. I find it hard to believe they would even still exist today.






You seem doubtful, sir, if I may say that with all due respect, and are not "certain", such that so far you know only to believe, but do not have that "head knowledge" that Jesus is real and that He is the way to eternal life. Am I understanding this correctly?

All I can tell you is, I am not sure a person can ever truly, truly KNOW, with 100% accuracy. For me, I choose to believe, because I just cannot see it any other way. I cannot imagine life without trusting and believing in Jesus Christ, but I am not going to pretend to be all super religious and claim that I KNOW Him - that He is Son of God and Savior of mankind from its evils and can grant us immortality and forgiveness of sins - to be proven and as real as the things we physically see around us on planet Earth every day. There's a reason it is called faith, and not science, after all. :) And if my beliefs are indeed not in vain, I suppose I will find in the end that it was the Spirit Himself who witnessed to me and caused me to believe as I do now, so perhaps I never actually chose for myself, completely of my own accord, to believe. But rather, because He already proved Himself to me. :angel:

I hope I have not made incorrect or insulting assumptions about you with this post, or rambled on about myself too long?
i meant the bible version that i can buy in the stores, which version is the earliest besides the very original manuscript i meant. i just hear people throwing the word around, 'know,' a lot when it comes to the bible. i get it's a faith thing. but i'm no religious expert, so thank you for reminding me these things.
 
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i meant the bible version that i can buy in the stores, which version is the earliest besides the very original manuscript i meant.

Oh, hah hah, I guess I was taking that back a bit too far in time. Far as I know, it would be the King James version - the most common one people seem to own, really - which offhand I believe was translated and written in early 1600. That would definitely be available in any book store.
 
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5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for apart from me ye can do nothing.
this for some reason makes me think as an agnostic that i should be thankful i'm not in north korea or something. it seems what...erm...john is the author, right?...that you must trust in god so that fellow christians can come to one accepting jesus(right?) and that way you can bear fruitful things in life...i see...i don't and my life turned out to be a sad one which i'm not gonna go into of course here, i'm just gonna say i'm happy but had sad turns...but doesn't everyone.
 
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I suppose that believing in God and in His Son can come from both faith and knowledge. For myself, for example, I was raised believing in Him and my belief never left me because of faith, even though I had not seen any visible "proof". However, now I have also read about and heard about historical discoveries that prove the accuracy of the Bible and the existence of Christ, there is especially no doubt in my mind. Knowledge of this and of just how amazing creation is has also led me to believe with all my heart.

As for the early Bible versions, my Bible has a section on the history of the Bible and its versions. I will see about taking a look at it tomorrow and tell you what it says.
 
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you know you didn't have to help me with these things concerning not on the topics of the thread so thanks for the information and help guys. the christian kindness is still alive and well of course. their ways are most welcome when it comes to helping others.
30 Now know we that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.

31 Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe?

32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and [yet] I am not alone, because the Father is with me.

33 These things have I spoken unto you, that in me ye may have peace. In the world ye have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
well, i guess to you Multifavs, you would take it as truth for me to analyze this that jesus is god's messenger...the thing is people get attacked and suffer still. but at least hell, then is off limits to the believers, i see. it's just that i wonder if there are any usual mixups of different situations in life to come together and make a unique situation that would make it hard for some usual person or christian to determine whether that person is going to heaven or hell.
 
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the christian kindness is still alive and well of course.

It must prevail when it seems in all times unfortunately Christian cruelty due to self-righteousness also pervades. There is a dark side of the coin when it comes to how Christians express their faith, I fear. That's why it is all the more precious when someone such as yourself finds kindness within. :angel:
 
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It must prevail when it seems in all times unfortunately Christian cruelty due to self-righteousness also pervades. There is a dark side of the coin when it comes to how Christians express their faith, I fear. That's why it is all the more precious when someone such as yourself finds kindness within. :angel:
thank you. i never thought myself as kind in other people's eyes truly speaking...i thought i was the only one who thought i was kind. we must indeed stay out of the way of bad things in our minds and bring things back into the light and true teaching of dark arts that only benefit because true teachings of dark arts is too powerful not to only benefit. which reminds me, do christian prophets get visions from dreams when they sleep or like when they're awake like a daydream kind of effect?

3 Already ye are clean because of the word which I have spoken unto you.

i guess to christians, the word of god makes one clean and right, am i understanding this wrong? it seems god gives you guys strength in general through motivation and inspiration and so on.
 
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it really seemed judas got himself into a bit of trouble but doesn't people have the chance to be redeemed for i believe at least most people are not beyond redemption...i guess judas wasn't one of them. my opinion is that one must find their own path but some people are not always in fault, not always in line with chemistry with how things are going. i guess not enough help arrived to judas' mindset before he made the wrong choices. too bad he first worked for the romans. it turned out in the end, he was not on their side. he played his part to help readers not to make the same mistake if you're looking to join up with a church to become a christian. judas eventually came back as a true christian that god is in charge and he rules people's fates with an invisible hand like he...perhaps once believed in if i remember correctly of my read through of the bible just once. what do you guys think? am i too lenient sounding for judas iscariot?
 
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well, i guess to you Multifavs, you would take it as truth for me to analyze this that jesus is god's messenger...the thing is people get attacked and suffer still. but at least hell, then is off limits to the believers, i see. it's just that i wonder if there are any usual mixups of different situations in life to come together and make a unique situation that would make it hard for some usual person or christian to determine whether that person is going to heaven or hell.
Here is some input from what my Bible says on suffering and evil:

Evil and suffering came about because of sin and free will. Evil is a risk that comes from our free will, however, God sees that it is necessary for us to be free, and He allows it because it is worth the risk to create sons and daughters that are able to love. He delays the overthrow of evil so that those who are wicked will have more opportunity to repent; at the same time, our suffering can purify us now in this life and bring us closer to Him.

As for whether people will go to Heaven or not, that isn't something that Christians should determine; God is the true Judge and only He can truly determine it. We do not know all of a person's actions, words, thoughts, and intentions, but God does.

Okay, here is a little bit of what my Bible says on the history of the Bible:

The Books of the Bible were first recognized as canon in the year 393. Several portions of Books of the Bible have been found from as early as the 2nd century. It looks like there were multiple translations of the Bible in other languages between the 2nd and 15th centuries.

The first complete English Bible appeared in the 14th century, but little is known for certain about the early English Bibles. The earliest versions listed with actual names are the Wyclif translation (no longer in print) from the 1300's and the Douay-Rheims version from the 16th century.

The previously listed Bible versions were Catholic. The first Protestant Bible with an actual name listed is Coverdale's Bible (no longer in print) from 1535. There were some others afterward which were less important. Then came the King James Bible in 1611. Looks like SarahsKnight is right, then, the KJV must be the oldest version, and the oldest Protestant version, you can still buy. It looks like the oldest Catholic version you can still buy is a revision of the Douay-Rheims version from the 1700's.
 
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Here is some input from what my Bible says on suffering and evil:

Evil and suffering came about because of sin and free will. Evil is a risk that comes from our free will, however, God sees that it is necessary for us to be free, and He allows it because it is worth the risk to create sons and daughters that are able to love. He delays the overthrow of evil so that those who are wicked will have more opportunity to repent; at the same time, our suffering can purify us now in this life and bring us closer to Him.

As for whether people will go to Heaven or not, that isn't something that Christians should determine; God is the true Judge and only He can truly determine it. We do not know all of a person's actions, words, thoughts, and intentions, but God does.

Okay, here is a little bit of what my Bible says on the history of the Bible:

The Books of the Bible were first recognized as canon in the year 393. Several portions of Books of the Bible have been found from as early as the 2nd century. It looks like there were multiple translations of the Bible in other languages between the 2nd and 15th centuries.

The first complete English Bible appeared in the 14th century, but little is known for certain about the early English Bibles. The earliest versions listed with actual names are the Wyclif translation (no longer in print) from the 1300's and the Douay-Rheims version from the 16th century.

The previously listed Bible versions were Catholic. The first Protestant Bible with an actual name listed is Coverdale's Bible (no longer in print) from 1535. There were some others afterward which were less important. Then came the King James Bible in 1611. Looks like SarahsKnight is right, then, the KJV must be the oldest version, and the oldest Protestant version, you can still buy. It looks like the oldest Catholic version you can still buy is a revision of the Douay-Rheims version from the 1700's.
Thanks for the bible version of what i can buy information input there. much appreciated. you know your bible information well. i now know for christians, god guides the fates of all with an invisible hand. it seems you indeed know the bible. there are christians who are not in good terms with the almighty god. i've talked to some people who feel that way. the ones who keep their faith must indeed serve god and chart their course by the cycles of how god sees and deems worthy in their path. your faith Multifavs must be marked with numberless angles, each a fire, and everyone a sign as well as i'm sure with some other christians, am i guessing right? i just wonder about these things sometimes as a one time christian before but i gave the faith up because i knew i wasn't wholeheartedly into the relationship with god being far off from such things. do you ever read any signs in that you suspect are signs from god that come across in your life? well, i hope god will guide your steps on a comfortable, good road to your destiny in life Multifavs. thanks for the information.
 
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am i too lenient sounding for judas iscariot?


It is not for us to determine either way about the truest status of Judas' heart or whether he is destined for eternal life or destruction one day due to his actions, I have always thought. I just know that he was willing to betray Jesus, later apparently regretted it when he returned the blood money back to the Pharisees and spoke that "I have sinned, for I have shed innocent blood", but then unfortunately went away to hang himself after that (and suicide is never the answer, regardless of whether you believe that committing suicide immediately puts you out of God's grace or not - I see no good proof in Scripture that it does, myself). So I will not say whether you are being "too lenient" on him or not.
 
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Thanks for the bible version of what i can buy information input there. much appreciated. you know your bible information well. i now know for christians, god guides the fates of all with an invisible hand. it seems you indeed know the bible. there are christians who are not in good terms with the almighty god. i've talked to some people who feel that way. the ones who keep their faith must indeed serve god and chart their course by the cycles of how god sees and deems worthy in their path. your faith Multifavs must be marked with numberless angles, each a fire, and everyone a sign as well as i'm sure with some other christians, am i guessing right? i just wonder about these things sometimes as a one time christian before but i gave the faith up because i knew i wasn't wholeheartedly into the relationship with god being far off from such things. do you ever read any signs in that you suspect are signs from god that come across in your life? well, i hope god will guide your steps on a comfortable, good road to your destiny in life Multifavs. thanks for the information.
Thanks. To be honest, I didn't know as much as I should have about the Bible until recently, when I started reading it and reading about it more. Without my Bible to help me I wouldn't know a lot about it still.

Some Christians see signs in their lives, others do not. I guess it all depends on who God wants to show His signs to. As for me, I can't think of any specific signs right now. If I remember any I'll let you know.

About Judas, I am not sure what happened to him after his death; only God can know that. He betrayed Jesus which was wrongful, but then he regretted it (I never knew before that he actually regretted it later). But then he killed himself which is murder, and it sounded like from a previous part of the Gospel we read, that he was not a righteous man in the first place. But of course, we don't know everything about him, so it was up to God to judge him.
 
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Thanks. To be honest, I didn't know as much as I should have about the Bible until recently, when I started reading it and reading about it more. Without my Bible to help me I wouldn't know a lot about it still.

Some Christians see signs in their lives, others do not. I guess it all depends on who God wants to show His signs to. As for me, I can't think of any specific signs right now. If I remember any I'll let you know.

About Judas, I am not sure what happened to him after his death; only God can know that. He betrayed Jesus which was wrongful, but then he regretted it (I never knew before that he actually regretted it later). But then he killed himself which is murder, and it sounded like from a previous part of the Gospel we read, that he was not a righteous man in the first place. But of course, we don't know everything about him, so it was up to God to judge him.
you're welcome. well, one thing is for sure, judas' path was not ours and you're right-for christians' views, god is the one to determine. i suppose in a way it's comforting to know god knows our fates i guess so you know that your life has that reassurance so that we shouldn't be afraid to die because we all have a role to play in world like any story points out, high or low. it's like saying, 'just take it easy,' you know? it doesn't mean sit back and do nothing because you will know in the end, everything and everyone will eventually know their doom...but not the time of it...which to me is comforting in a sense if your ways are true guys. for not knowing one's time means that one can be not scared. and if you know the time, god has indeed blessed you. because like falling into death is scary, but if it comes as a surprise, one doesn't want it to end that way. if you know the time of your death, one can or not choose to accept that time before it comes in preparing for it. as an agnostic though, i look into the higher mysteries of things and even in terms of the afterlife, i want my opinions, power, knowledge and their compass to venture beyond the doors of death in my life since i'm in a christian forum. just letting you know where i come from as an agnostic. for i believe as an agnostic, our glory can challenge gods, other agnostics may feel the same as me. i'm actually not sure where i fit in the spiritual labels.
 
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on such things as pertaining to jesus...he just wasn't really welcomed a lot...something i hear stressed over and over again by christians. the world was divided and it still is now. total unity has not been a creation yet so far in this world it seems. the dominion of humans must come together so we can welcome anybody into this world responsibly, especially if jesus is indeed true and the best among us-people then must be accepted. by the way guys, i keep hearing from the movie da vinci code and dan brown's novels i think his name is concerning his religious books that the bloodline of jesus still lives...do you guys think an heir of his lives? if he or she lives, do you think he/she would be welcomed? do you think the most recent heir for jesus would dethrone the highest seating rank of christiainity which i would assume would be the pope, am i correct?
 
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