Does your church avoid Genesis and Revelation?

rockytopva said:

If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

God can change energy to matter... E/c2 (energy)= m (matter)
God can change matter to energy... m (matter) = E/c2 (energy)

All to his will and liking! The universe came about as mass turning to plasma energy, it came about when God uttered these words... Let there be light! And such mass turned to plasma energy and expanded out to a point of origin.

As the big bang occurred the objects projected out from a point of origin. It could have took 15 billion years from the point where God said, "Let there be light!" to the point where God put the earth around orbit of the sun, creating what would be the first day.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

So, I believe the Bible can be studied along with science.

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So God named the first monkey, not man, as Adam. And Adam's monkey wife was named Eve.

Oldmantook said:

So God named the first monkey, not man, as Adam. And Adam's monkey wife was named Eve.

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Well, science to a certain degree. I believe man has been on this planet in the neighborhood of 6,000 years and that he indeed named the animals

Calminian said:

Curious your experience. I've definitely attended some churches that seem to avoid these books, and others that preached them diligently.

You might find this article interesting:


Should Churches Avoid Genesis and Revelation?

This post is not intended to be a creation or eschatology debate, per se, just curious what your general experience is. Early on when I was saved, I recall these books being preached often and enthusiastically. This seems to be decreasing, however, in later times. But that's just my anecdotal experience. Let me know yours.

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Sadly, they aren't preached often, because many, if not most, pastors have moved into worldly knowledge instead of God-knowledge to grow their church. Their belief rests more on what the world says than what God says. But, that isn't surprising since Jesus asked if He would find faith when He returned. You could probably add all the chapters that relate to what Jesus said about the end or the end being like the flood; because they don't even preach Jesus' Words prior to revelation on the topic.

Calminian said:

Curious your experience. I've definitely attended some churches that seem to avoid these books, and others that preached them diligently.

You might find this article interesting:


Should Churches Avoid Genesis and Revelation?

This post is not intended to be a creation or eschatology debate, per se, just curious what your general experience is. Early on when I was saved, I recall these books being preached often and enthusiastically. This seems to be decreasing, however, in later times. But that's just my anecdotal experience. Let me know yours.

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My church preaches both with great enthusiasm. But I do see exactly what you are saying out there in many other denominations.

Oldmantook said:

So God named the first monkey, not man, as Adam. And Adam's monkey wife was named Eve.

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Yeah ... that is a good example of not-science!

That's probably true, but how then to explain that most of the more conservative churches which do not go in for that touchy-feely stuff also emphasize the books that present the life and teachings of Christ rather than Genesis and Revelation?

Calminian said:

I don't know, I can only say they are making a huge mistake by not preaching the whole counsel of God.

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But wait a mo. In the OP, this was the wording:

Calminian said:

I recall these books being preached often and enthusiastically. This seems to be decreasing, however, in later times.

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"Often...decreasing." Reading that, one gets the impression that the question is about emphasis or frequency, i.e. which books are MOST often cited. It doesn't suggest that if the Gospels are emphasized that Genesis and Revelation are never, ever, referred to.

Albion said:

That's probably true, but how then to explain that most of the more conservative churches which do not go in for that touchy-feely stuff also emphasize the books that present the life and teachings of Christ rather than Genesis and Revelation?

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Why can't it be for the same "appeal" reasons--just a less "touchy-feely" audience?

Calminian said:

Decreasing in the sense that more churches are starting to ignore these books for various reasons. Seems Genesis and Revelation, in my anecdotal experience, are not being preached in a lot of churches.

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So you did mean ignore, not something less. I read the OP differently. I doubt that there are very many churches which actually ignore Genesis and Revelation, so it doesn't seem like much of a worry.

Calminian said:

Decreasing in the sense that more churches are starting to ignore these books for various reasons. Seems Genesis and Revelation, in my anecdotal experience, are not being preached in a lot of churches.

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Look at the churches that try to dilute the Bible doctrine on origins - with their new-found compromise with blind-faith evolutionism... then notice how they tend to "lead" in not reading Genesis or Revelation.

Calminian said:

Yes, and this is the fruit of compromised interpretations of Genesis. When you don't preach was God reveals it's ineffective and frankly boring. I believe we're losing our youth over this.

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Amen - those same church "lead" in church growth "decline" rates

Calminian said:

Curious your experience. I've definitely attended some churches that seem to avoid these books, and others that preached them diligently.

This post is not intended to be a creation or eschatology debate, per se, just curious what your general experience is. Early on when I was saved, I recall these books being preached often and enthusiastically. This seems to be decreasing, however, in later times. But that's just my anecdotal experience. Let me know yours.

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Anecdotally, it appears that the times we live in are desperately worse than even 20 or 40 years ago.

Does not the Messiah Jesus state clearly that whoever rejects His Word rejects Him, and who ever rejects His Word or Him also has rejected the Creator Yahweh (God).

BobRyan said:

Look at the churches that try to dilute the Bible doctrine on origins - with their new-found compromise with blind-faith evolutionism... then notice how they tend to "lead" in not reading Genesis or Revelation.

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Calminian said:

Yes, and this is the fruit of compromised interpretations of Genesis. When you don't preach was God reveals it's ineffective and frankly boring. I believe we're losing our youth over this.

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The creation stories are only a small fraction of the book of Genesis. Surely, even if your church believes in 7-day creationism, you only spend a fraction of your time in Genesis discussing creationism, and then you move on to the lessons to be learned from the lives of Abraham and Sarah, Isaac and Rebekah, Jacob and his wives, and Joseph -- right?

PloverWing said:

The creation stories are only a small fraction of the book of Genesis. Surely, even if your church believes in 7-day creationism, you only spend a fraction of your time in Genesis discussing creationism, and then you move on to the lessons to be learned from the lives of Abraham and Sarah, Isaac and Rebekah, Jacob and his wives, and Joseph -- right?

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ok lets think about that.

First of all John 1 starts off reminding us that Christ is Creator -- that is the preface and foundation for the Gospel.

Rev 14:7 -- the three angels messages -- the last warning given to mankind before the end of the world - starts off reminding us to worship God who created the earth and all life in it.

Col 1 reminds us that Christ is the creator of everything. the is preface and foundation to that letter.

Hebrews 1, and Hebrews 11 both remind us that Christ created the world ..

And every single week - when we meet on the 7th day Sabbath in memorial of that event as per the Commandment - we are reminded of it.

What is more - the entire basis for the fall of mankind, the need of the Gospel, the justice and righteousness of God - is based on that fact.

when Paul goes to evangelize the Greeks in Athens - he starts with - God as Creator

there is a 'Reason' this is the baseline foundational teaching of all of scripture rather than an addendum at the end of scripture where everyone else likes to stick it these days.

It is at the foundation of everything so even though we do not rehearse creation week every time we meet for worship - those churches that choose to entirely "negate it" have cut the legs out under their own feet and their members have no foundation to with stand a great many popular ideas today that are based on belief in evolution instead of acceptance of the Bible.