One of the most controversial issues, is the DAY OF WORSHIP

ace of hearts said:

My first question is who or what is a manservant? What do they do?

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Good question, but you do not want what I think, but rather how the scripture defines the term (manservant/s,menservants), correct (Genesis 40:8)?

The word has English scaffolding in it.

man (male of the race of Adam; 1 Corinthians 15:45)
serv - (root of word, verb; of service, serve, obedient to another - Link)
- ant (suffix; characterized by or serving in the capacity of - Link)

The word is translated from 'ebed [H5650], and is used generally and also refers to just males in certain instances (as [H519] 'amah, and [H8198] shifkaw, refer to females alongside 'ebed in varied texts):

עבד
‛ebed
Total KJV Occurrences: 801

servants, 371
Gen_9:25, Gen_14:15, Gen_20:8, Gen_21:25, Gen_26:15, Gen_26:19, Gen_26:25, Gen_26:32, Gen_27:37, Gen_32:16 (2), Gen_40:20 (2), Gen_41:10, Gen_41:37-38 (2), Gen_42:10-11 (2), Gen_42:13, Gen_44:7, Gen_44:9, Gen_44:16 (2), Gen_44:19, Gen_44:21, Gen_44:23, Gen_44:31, Gen_45:16, Gen_47:3-4 (3), Gen_47:19, Gen_47:25, Gen_50:2, Gen_50:7, Gen_50:17-18 (2), Exo_5:15-16 (3), Exo_5:21, Exo_7:10, Exo_7:20, Exo_8:3-4 (2), Exo_8:9, Exo_8:11, Exo_8:21, Exo_8:29, Exo_8:31, Exo_9:14, Exo_9:20-21 (3), Exo_9:30, Exo_9:34, Exo_10:1, Exo_10:6-7 (2), Exo_11:3, Exo_11:8, Exo_12:30, Exo_14:5, Exo_32:13, Lev_25:42, Lev_25:55 (2), Num_22:18, Num_31:49, Num_32:4-5 (2), Num_32:25, Num_32:27, Num_32:31, Deu_9:27, Deu_29:2, Deu_32:36, Deu_32:43, Deu_34:11, Jos_9:8-9 (2), Jos_9:11, Jos_9:24, Jos_10:6, Jdg_3:24, Jdg_6:27, Jdg_19:19, 1Sa_8:14-15 (2), 1Sa_8:17, 1Sa_9:3, 1Sa_12:19, 1Sa_16:15-17 (3), 1Sa_17:8-9 (3), 1Sa_18:5, 1Sa_18:22-24 (4), 1Sa_18:26, 1Sa_18:30, 1Sa_19:1, 1Sa_21:7, 1Sa_21:11, 1Sa_21:14, 1Sa_22:6-7 (2), 1Sa_22:9, 1Sa_22:14, 1Sa_22:17, 1Sa_25:8, 1Sa_25:10 (2), 1Sa_25:40-41 (2), 1Sa_28:7 (2), 1Sa_28:23, 1Sa_28:25, 1Sa_29:10, 2Sa_2:12-13 (2), 2Sa_2:15, 2Sa_2:17, 2Sa_2:30-31 (2), 2Sa_3:22, 2Sa_3:38, 2Sa_6:20, 2Sa_8:2, 2Sa_8:6-7 (2), 2Sa_8:14, 2Sa_9:10 (2), 2Sa_9:12, 2Sa_10:2-4 (4), 2Sa_10:19, 2Sa_11:1, 2Sa_11:9, 2Sa_11:11, 2Sa_11:13, 2Sa_11:17, 2Sa_11:24 (2), 2Sa_12:18-19 (3), 2Sa_12:21, 2Sa_13:24, 2Sa_13:31, 2Sa_13:36, 2Sa_14:30-31 (3), 2Sa_15:14-15 (3), 2Sa_15:18, 2Sa_16:6, 2Sa_16:11, 2Sa_17:20, 2Sa_18:7, 2Sa_18:9, 2Sa_19:5-7 (3), 2Sa_19:14, 2Sa_19:17, 2Sa_20:6, 2Sa_21:15, 2Sa_21:22, 2Sa_24:20, 1Ki_1:2, 1Ki_1:9, 1Ki_1:33, 1Ki_1:47, 1Ki_2:39-40 (4), 1Ki_3:15, 1Ki_5:1, 1Ki_5:6 (3), 1Ki_5:9, 1Ki_8:23, 1Ki_8:32, 1Ki_8:36, 1Ki_9:22, 1Ki_9:27 (2), 1Ki_10:5, 1Ki_10:8, 1Ki_10:13, 1Ki_11:17, 1Ki_12:7, 1Ki_15:18, 1Ki_20:6 (2), 1Ki_20:12, 1Ki_20:23, 1Ki_20:31, 1Ki_22:3, 1Ki_22:49 (2), 2Ki_1:13, 2Ki_2:16, 2Ki_3:11, 2Ki_5:13, 2Ki_6:3, 2Ki_6:8, 2Ki_7:11-13 (4), 2Ki_9:7 (2), 2Ki_9:11, 2Ki_9:28, 2Ki_10:5, 2Ki_10:23, 2Ki_12:20-21 (2), 2Ki_14:5, 2Ki_17:13, 2Ki_18:23-24 (2), 2Ki_18:26, 2Ki_19:5, 2Ki_21:10, 2Ki_21:23, 2Ki_22:9, 2Ki_23:30, 2Ki_24:2, 2Ki_24:10-12 (3), 2Ki_25:24, 1Ch_18:2, 1Ch_18:6-7 (2), 1Ch_18:13, 1Ch_19:2-4 (3), 1Ch_19:19, 1Ch_20:8, 1Ch_21:3, 2Ch_2:8 (3), 2Ch_2:10, 2Ch_2:15, 2Ch_6:14, 2Ch_6:23, 2Ch_6:27, 2Ch_8:9, 2Ch_8:18 (3), 2Ch_9:4, 2Ch_9:7, 2Ch_9:10 (2), 2Ch_9:12, 2Ch_9:21, 2Ch_12:7-8 (2), 2Ch_24:25, 2Ch_25:3, 2Ch_32:9, 2Ch_32:16, 2Ch_33:24, 2Ch_34:16, 2Ch_35:23-24 (2), 2Ch_36:20, Ezr_2:55, Ezr_2:58, Ezr_2:65, Ezr_9:11, Neh_1:6, Neh_1:10-11 (2), Neh_2:20, Neh_5:5, Neh_7:57, Neh_7:60, Neh_9:10, Neh_9:36 (2), Est_1:3 (2), Est_2:18, Est_3:2-3 (2), Est_5:11 (2), Job_4:18, Psa_34:22, Psa_69:36, Psa_79:2, Psa_79:10, Psa_89:50, Psa_90:13, Psa_90:16, Psa_102:14, Psa_102:28, Psa_105:25, Psa_113:1, Psa_119:91, Psa_123:2, Psa_135:1 (2), Psa_135:9, Psa_135:14, Ecc_10:7 (3), Isa_14:2, Isa_36:9, Isa_36:11, Isa_37:5, Isa_37:24, Isa_54:17, Isa_56:6, Isa_65:9, Isa_65:13-15 (5), Isa_66:14, Jer_7:25, Jer_21:7, Jer_22:2, Jer_25:4 (2), Jer_25:19, Jer_26:5, Jer_29:19, Jer_34:11 (2), Jer_34:16, Jer_35:15, Jer_36:24, Jer_36:31, Jer_37:2, Jer_37:18, Jer_44:4, Jer_46:26, Lam_5:8, Eze_46:17 (2), Dan_1:12-13 (2), Dan_9:6, Dan_9:10, Joe_2:29, Amo_3:7, Mic_6:4, Zec_1:6

servant, 363
Gen_9:25-27 (3), Gen_18:3, Gen_18:5, Gen_19:19, Gen 24 (14), Gen_26:24, Gen_32:4, Gen_32:10, Gen_32:18, Gen_32:20, Gen_33:5, Gen_33:14, Gen_39:17, Gen_39:19, Gen_41:12, Gen_43:28, Gen_44:10, Gen_44:17-18 (3), Gen_44:24, Gen_44:27, Gen_44:30-33 (4), Exo_4:10, Exo_12:44, Exo_14:31, Exo_21:2, Exo_21:5, Exo_21:20, Exo_21:26, Lev_25:6, Num_11:11, Num_12:7-8 (2), Deu_3:24 (2), Deu_5:15, Deu_15:17, Deu_23:15, Deu_34:5, Jos_1:1-2 (2), Jos_1:7, Jos_1:13, Jos_1:15, Jos_5:14, Jos_8:31, Jos_8:33, Jos_9:24, Jos_11:12, Jos_11:15, Jos_12:6 (2), Jos_13:8, Jos_18:7 (2), Jos_22:2, Jos_22:4-5 (2), Jos_24:29, Jdg_2:8, Jdg_15:18, 1Sa_3:9-10 (2), 1Sa_17:32, 1Sa_17:34, 1Sa_17:36, 1Sa_17:58, 1Sa_19:4, 1Sa_22:7-8 (4), 1Sa_22:15 (2), 1Sa_23:10-11 (3), 1Sa_25:39, 1Sa_25:41, 1Sa_26:18-19 (2), 1Sa_27:5, 1Sa_27:12, 1Sa_29:2-3 (2), 1Sa_29:8, 1Sa_30:13, 2Sa_3:18, 2Sa_7:5, 2Sa_7:8, 2Sa_7:20-21 (2), 2Sa_7:25-29 (7), 2Sa_9:2 (2), 2Sa_9:6, 2Sa_9:8, 2Sa_9:11 (2), 2Sa_11:21, 2Sa_13:24 (3), 2Sa_13:35, 2Sa_14:19-20 (2), 2Sa_14:22 (2), 2Sa_15:2, 2Sa_15:8, 2Sa_15:21, 2Sa_15:34 (3), 2Sa_18:29 (2), 2Sa_19:19-20 (2), 2Sa_19:26-28 (5), 2Sa_19:35-37 (5), 2Sa_24:10, 2Sa_24:21, 1Ki_1:19, 1Ki_1:26-27 (3), 1Ki_1:51, 1Ki_2:38, 1Ki_3:6-9 (4), 1Ki_8:24-26 (3), 1Ki_8:28-30 (4), 1Ki_8:52-53 (2), 1Ki_8:56, 1Ki_8:59, 1Ki_8:66, 1Ki_11:11, 1Ki_11:26, 1Ki_11:32, 1Ki_11:36, 1Ki_11:38, 1Ki_14:7-8 (2), 1Ki_14:18, 1Ki_15:29, 1Ki_18:9 (2), 1Ki_18:12, 1Ki_18:36, 1Ki_20:9, 1Ki_20:32, 1Ki_20:39-40 (2), 2Ki_4:1 (2), 2Ki_5:6, 2Ki_5:15, 2Ki_5:17-18 (4), 2Ki_5:25, 2Ki_8:13, 2Ki_9:36, 2Ki_10:10, 2Ki_14:25, 2Ki_16:7, 2Ki_17:3, 2Ki_18:12, 2Ki_19:34, 2Ki_20:6, 2Ki_21:8, 2Ki_22:12, 2Ki_24:1, 2Ki_25:8, 1Ch_2:34-35 (2), 1Ch_6:49, 1Ch_16:13, 1Ch_17:4, 1Ch_17:7, 1Ch_17:18 (2), 1Ch_17:23-27 (6), 1Ch_21:8, 2Ch_1:3, 2Ch_6:15-17 (3), 2Ch_6:19-21 (4), 2Ch_6:42, 2Ch_24:6 (2), 2Ch_24:9, 2Ch_32:16, 2Ch_34:20, Neh_1:6-8 (3), Neh_1:11 (2), Neh_2:5, Neh_2:10, Neh_2:19, Neh_9:14, Neh_10:29, Job_1:8, Job_2:3, Job_3:19, Job_7:2, Job_19:16, Job_41:4, Job_42:7-8 (4), Psa_18:1, Psa_19:11, Psa_19:13, Psa_27:9, Psa_31:16, Psa_35:27, Psa_36:1, Psa_69:17, Psa_78:70, Psa_86:2, Psa_86:4, Psa_86:16, Psa_89:3, Psa_89:20, Psa_89:39, Psa_105:6, Psa_105:17, Psa_105:26, Psa_105:42, Psa_109:28, Psa_119:16-17 (3), Psa_119:23, Psa_119:38, Psa_119:49, Psa_119:65, Psa_119:76, Psa_119:84, Psa_119:122, Psa_119:124-125 (2), Psa_119:135, Psa_119:140, Psa_119:176, Psa_132:10, Psa_136:22, Psa_143:2, Psa_143:12, Psa_144:10, Pro_11:29, Pro_12:9, Pro_14:35, Pro_17:2, Pro_19:10, Pro_22:7, Pro_29:19, Pro_29:21, Pro_30:10, Pro_30:22, Ecc_7:21, Isa_20:3, Isa_22:20, Isa_24:2, Isa_37:35, Isa_41:8-9 (2), Isa_42:1, Isa_42:19 (2), Isa_43:10, Isa_44:1-2 (2), Isa_44:21 (2), Isa_44:26, Isa_48:20, Isa_49:3, Isa_49:5-7 (3), Isa_50:10, Isa_52:13, Isa_53:11, Jer_2:14, Jer_25:9, Jer_27:6, Jer_30:10, Jer_33:21-22 (2), Jer_33:26, Jer_34:16, Jer_43:10, Jer_46:27-28 (2), Eze_28:25, Eze_37:23-25 (5), Dan_9:11, Dan_10:17 (2), Hag_2:23, Zec_3:8, Mal_1:6, Mal_4:4

bondmen, 16
Gen_43:18, Gen_44:9, Lev_25:42, Lev_25:44 (2), Lev_26:13, Deu_6:21, Deu_7:8, Deu_28:68, Jos_9:23, 1Ki_9:22, 2Ki_4:1, 2Ch_28:10, Ezr_9:9, Est_7:4, Jer_34:13

manservant, 12
Exo_20:10, Exo_20:17, Exo_21:32, Deu_5:14 (2), Deu_5:21, Deu_12:18, Deu_16:11, Deu_16:14, Job_31:13, Jer_34:9-10 (2)

bondage, 10
Exo_13:3, Exo_13:14, Exo_20:2, Deu_5:6, Deu_6:12, Deu_8:14, Deu_13:5, Deu_13:10, Jos_24:17, Jdg_6:8

menservants, 9
Gen_12:16, Gen_20:14, Gen_24:35, Gen_30:43, Gen_32:5, Exo_21:7, Deu_12:12, 1Sa_8:16, 2Ki_5:26

servant’s, 8
Gen_19:2, 2Sa_7:19, 1Ki_11:13, 1Ki_11:34, 2Ki_8:19, 1Ch_17:17, 1Ch_17:19, Isa_45:4

bondman, 5
Gen_44:33, Deu_15:15, Deu_16:12, Deu_24:18, Deu_24:22

servants’, 4
Gen_46:34, Exo_8:24, Isa_63:17, Isa_65:8

bondservant, 1
Lev_25:39

manservant’s, 1
Exo_21:27

manservants, 1
Neh_7:67

Here is how the Bible (KJB) uses the term in English:

"manservant":

Exo_20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Exo_20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Exo_21:27 And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.

Exo_21:32 If the ox shall push a manservant or a maidservant; he shall give unto their master thirty shekels of silver, and the ox shall be stoned.

Deu_5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

Deu_5:21 Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Deu_12:18 But thou must eat them before the LORD thy God in the place which the LORD thy God shall choose, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite that is within thy gates: and thou shalt rejoice before the LORD thy God in all that thou puttest thine hands unto.

Deu_16:11 And thou shalt rejoice before the LORD thy God, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite that is within thy gates, and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, that are among you, in the place which the LORD thy God hath chosen to place his name there.

Deu_16:14 And thou shalt rejoice in thy feast, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite, the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, that are within thy gates.

Job_31:13 If I did despise the cause of my manservant or of my maidservant, when they contended with me;

Jer_34:9 That every man should let his manservant, and every man his maidservant, being an Hebrew or an Hebrewess, go free; that none should serve himself of them, to wit, of a Jew his brother.

Jer_34:10 Now when all the princes, and all the people, which had entered into the covenant, heard that every one should let his manservant, and every one his maidservant, go free, that none should serve themselves of them any more, then they obeyed, and let them go.

"manservants":

Neh_7:67 Beside their manservants and their maidservants, of whom there were seven thousand three hundred thirty and seven: and they had two hundred forty and five singing men and singing women.

"menservants:

Gen_12:16 And he entreated Abram well for her sake: and he had sheep, and oxen, and he asses, and menservants, and maidservants, and she asses, and camels.

Gen_20:14 And Abimelech took sheep, and oxen, and menservants, and womenservants, and gave them unto Abraham, and restored him Sarah his wife.

Gen_24:35 And the LORD hath blessed my master greatly; and he is become great: and he hath given him flocks, and herds, and silver, and gold, and menservants, and maidservants, and camels, and asses.

Gen_30:43 And the man increased exceedingly, and had much cattle, and maidservants, and menservants, and camels, and asses.

Gen_32:5 And I have oxen, and asses, flocks, and menservants, and womenservants: and I have sent to tell my lord, that I may find grace in thy sight.

Exo_21:7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.

Deu_12:12 And ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God, ye, and your sons, and your daughters, and your menservants, and your maidservants, and the Levite that is within your gates; forasmuch as he hath no part nor inheritance with you.

1Sa_8:16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.

2Ki_5:26 And he said unto him, Went not mine heart with thee, when the man turned again from his chariot to meet thee? Is it a time to receive money, and to receive garments, and oliveyards, and vineyards, and sheep, and oxen, and menservants, and maidservants?

Luk_12:45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;

Here is the Alpha use of the word, translated from 'ebed, from the OT:

Gen 9:25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

Here is the Omega use of the word, translated from 'ebed', from the OT:

Mal 4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

The Gospel of Luke, translates the word from pais [G3816] (basically, one under authority):

παῖς
pais
Total KJV Occurrences: 24

servant, 8
Mat_8:6, Mat_8:8, Mat_8:13, Mat_12:18, Luk_1:54, Luk_1:69, Luk_7:7, Act_4:25

child, 5
Mat_17:18, Luk_2:43, Luk_9:42, Act_4:27, Act_4:30

son, 3
Joh_4:51, Act_3:13, Act_3:26

children, 2
Mat_2:16, Mat_21:15

servants, 2
Mat_14:2, Luk_15:26

maid, 1
Luk_8:54

maiden, 1
Luk_8:51

menservants, 1
Luk_12:45

young, 1
Act_20:12

Thus the word means, scripturally, one who 'serves' (works for) another (see Genesis 29:15, [H5647, 'abad, from which [H5650; 'ebed] comes from], and thus whether service for a lord (Exodus 3:12 [5647]; Isaiah 42:1 [H5650], the 'ebed JEHOVAH, Jesus Christ, servant of the Father; 1 Kings 9:21), officer, relative, etc), or is under the authority of another (through various means (father to son, etc), or (slavery (Exodus 1:14), owe for debt ([H7916], sakiyr), for earnings (wages; Genesis 29:15), or by choice)). Additional useful references may be also found here - The amazing name Ebed: meaning and etymology

JohnB445 said:

I've been told the sabbath is optional, and just a day of rest from work. I took his word by faith. Then I hear different perspectives I can't figure out which one is true. The Bible doesn't seem to support Sabbath-keeping in the new covenant from when I read.

Where can I find an undeniable fact that it's either optional or that we are meant to still keep it? I am still confused on this controversy, and on top of that even if the 7th day is the day of worship there are literally no churches around me that even worship on the 7th day. And if its not even a big deal, I have no problem worshipping on Sunday.

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I thought it was a day of rest? I have Saturday's off. I think that's typically the case as well.

Yekcidmij said:

I thought it was a day of rest? I have Saturday's off. I think that's typically the case as well.

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Lev 23:1-3 it is a day of "Holy Convocation" as well
Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship"
Is 58:13 it is a day for not engaging in any secular activity.
It is a day for evangelism, visiting/healing the sick, meditation and worship.

BobRyan said:

Lev 23:1-3 it is a day of "Holy Convocation" as well

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Maybe, but is the Sabbath in Leviticus 23 the same as the Sabbath commands in Ex 20, 34, Deut 5? Because the Sabbath commands in Lev 23 are observed on specific days of the month. And the "Holy Convocation" must be read in the Lev 23 context as well - so it's not talking about weekly church service. Do you obverse the convocations as prescribed in Lev 23? So I would think Lev 23 is pretty explicit about what it's meaning by "sabbath" and "holy convocation."

BobRyan said:

People in the stores and restaurants serve the customer that arrives "for service".

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True. Is that you complete definition and discussion of manservant?

liberty of conscience said:

Good question, but you do not want what I think, but rather how the scripture defines the term (manservant/s,menservants), correct (Genesis 40:8)?

The word has English scaffolding in it.

man (male of the race of Adam; 1 Corinthians 15:45)

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Obviously.

serv - (root of word, verb; of service, serve, obedient to another - Link)

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Here is where I would like some of your personal commentary. I to have books and could quote on and on. But for what? So let's cut to the chase and discuss the "serve" and "-ant" part of the word. Yes I am wanting your idea and not a list of verses with the word or variant thereof contained within.

- ant (suffix; characterized by or serving in the capacity of - Link)

The word is translated from 'ebed [H5650], and is used generally and also refers to just males in certain instances (as [H519] 'amah, and [H8198] shifkaw, refer to females alongside 'ebed in varied texts):

עבד
‛ebed
Total KJV Occurrences: 801

servants, 371
Gen_9:25, Gen_14:15, Gen_20:8, Gen_21:25, Gen_26:15, Gen_26:19, Gen_26:25, Gen_26:32, Gen_27:37, Gen_32:16 (2), Gen_40:20 (2), Gen_41:10, Gen_41:37-38 (2), Gen_42:10-11 (2), Gen_42:13, Gen_44:7, Gen_44:9, Gen_44:16 (2), Gen_44:19, Gen_44:21, Gen_44:23, Gen_44:31, Gen_45:16, Gen_47:3-4 (3), Gen_47:19, Gen_47:25, Gen_50:2, Gen_50:7, Gen_50:17-18 (2), Exo_5:15-16 (3), Exo_5:21, Exo_7:10, Exo_7:20, Exo_8:3-4 (2), Exo_8:9, Exo_8:11, Exo_8:21, Exo_8:29, Exo_8:31, Exo_9:14, Exo_9:20-21 (3), Exo_9:30, Exo_9:34, Exo_10:1, Exo_10:6-7 (2), Exo_11:3, Exo_11:8, Exo_12:30, Exo_14:5, Exo_32:13, Lev_25:42, Lev_25:55 (2), Num_22:18, Num_31:49, Num_32:4-5 (2), Num_32:25, Num_32:27, Num_32:31, Deu_9:27, Deu_29:2, Deu_32:36, Deu_32:43, Deu_34:11, Jos_9:8-9 (2), Jos_9:11, Jos_9:24, Jos_10:6, Jdg_3:24, Jdg_6:27, Jdg_19:19, 1Sa_8:14-15 (2), 1Sa_8:17, 1Sa_9:3, 1Sa_12:19, 1Sa_16:15-17 (3), 1Sa_17:8-9 (3), 1Sa_18:5, 1Sa_18:22-24 (4), 1Sa_18:26, 1Sa_18:30, 1Sa_19:1, 1Sa_21:7, 1Sa_21:11, 1Sa_21:14, 1Sa_22:6-7 (2), 1Sa_22:9, 1Sa_22:14, 1Sa_22:17, 1Sa_25:8, 1Sa_25:10 (2), 1Sa_25:40-41 (2), 1Sa_28:7 (2), 1Sa_28:23, 1Sa_28:25, 1Sa_29:10, 2Sa_2:12-13 (2), 2Sa_2:15, 2Sa_2:17, 2Sa_2:30-31 (2), 2Sa_3:22, 2Sa_3:38, 2Sa_6:20, 2Sa_8:2, 2Sa_8:6-7 (2), 2Sa_8:14, 2Sa_9:10 (2), 2Sa_9:12, 2Sa_10:2-4 (4), 2Sa_10:19, 2Sa_11:1, 2Sa_11:9, 2Sa_11:11, 2Sa_11:13, 2Sa_11:17, 2Sa_11:24 (2), 2Sa_12:18-19 (3), 2Sa_12:21, 2Sa_13:24, 2Sa_13:31, 2Sa_13:36, 2Sa_14:30-31 (3), 2Sa_15:14-15 (3), 2Sa_15:18, 2Sa_16:6, 2Sa_16:11, 2Sa_17:20, 2Sa_18:7, 2Sa_18:9, 2Sa_19:5-7 (3), 2Sa_19:14, 2Sa_19:17, 2Sa_20:6, 2Sa_21:15, 2Sa_21:22, 2Sa_24:20, 1Ki_1:2, 1Ki_1:9, 1Ki_1:33, 1Ki_1:47, 1Ki_2:39-40 (4), 1Ki_3:15, 1Ki_5:1, 1Ki_5:6 (3), 1Ki_5:9, 1Ki_8:23, 1Ki_8:32, 1Ki_8:36, 1Ki_9:22, 1Ki_9:27 (2), 1Ki_10:5, 1Ki_10:8, 1Ki_10:13, 1Ki_11:17, 1Ki_12:7, 1Ki_15:18, 1Ki_20:6 (2), 1Ki_20:12, 1Ki_20:23, 1Ki_20:31, 1Ki_22:3, 1Ki_22:49 (2), 2Ki_1:13, 2Ki_2:16, 2Ki_3:11, 2Ki_5:13, 2Ki_6:3, 2Ki_6:8, 2Ki_7:11-13 (4), 2Ki_9:7 (2), 2Ki_9:11, 2Ki_9:28, 2Ki_10:5, 2Ki_10:23, 2Ki_12:20-21 (2), 2Ki_14:5, 2Ki_17:13, 2Ki_18:23-24 (2), 2Ki_18:26, 2Ki_19:5, 2Ki_21:10, 2Ki_21:23, 2Ki_22:9, 2Ki_23:30, 2Ki_24:2, 2Ki_24:10-12 (3), 2Ki_25:24, 1Ch_18:2, 1Ch_18:6-7 (2), 1Ch_18:13, 1Ch_19:2-4 (3), 1Ch_19:19, 1Ch_20:8, 1Ch_21:3, 2Ch_2:8 (3), 2Ch_2:10, 2Ch_2:15, 2Ch_6:14, 2Ch_6:23, 2Ch_6:27, 2Ch_8:9, 2Ch_8:18 (3), 2Ch_9:4, 2Ch_9:7, 2Ch_9:10 (2), 2Ch_9:12, 2Ch_9:21, 2Ch_12:7-8 (2), 2Ch_24:25, 2Ch_25:3, 2Ch_32:9, 2Ch_32:16, 2Ch_33:24, 2Ch_34:16, 2Ch_35:23-24 (2), 2Ch_36:20, Ezr_2:55, Ezr_2:58, Ezr_2:65, Ezr_9:11, Neh_1:6, Neh_1:10-11 (2), Neh_2:20, Neh_5:5, Neh_7:57, Neh_7:60, Neh_9:10, Neh_9:36 (2), Est_1:3 (2), Est_2:18, Est_3:2-3 (2), Est_5:11 (2), Job_4:18, Psa_34:22, Psa_69:36, Psa_79:2, Psa_79:10, Psa_89:50, Psa_90:13, Psa_90:16, Psa_102:14, Psa_102:28, Psa_105:25, Psa_113:1, Psa_119:91, Psa_123:2, Psa_135:1 (2), Psa_135:9, Psa_135:14, Ecc_10:7 (3), Isa_14:2, Isa_36:9, Isa_36:11, Isa_37:5, Isa_37:24, Isa_54:17, Isa_56:6, Isa_65:9, Isa_65:13-15 (5), Isa_66:14, Jer_7:25, Jer_21:7, Jer_22:2, Jer_25:4 (2), Jer_25:19, Jer_26:5, Jer_29:19, Jer_34:11 (2), Jer_34:16, Jer_35:15, Jer_36:24, Jer_36:31, Jer_37:2, Jer_37:18, Jer_44:4, Jer_46:26, Lam_5:8, Eze_46:17 (2), Dan_1:12-13 (2), Dan_9:6, Dan_9:10, Joe_2:29, Amo_3:7, Mic_6:4, Zec_1:6

servant, 363
Gen_9:25-27 (3), Gen_18:3, Gen_18:5, Gen_19:19, Gen 24 (14), Gen_26:24, Gen_32:4, Gen_32:10, Gen_32:18, Gen_32:20, Gen_33:5, Gen_33:14, Gen_39:17, Gen_39:19, Gen_41:12, Gen_43:28, Gen_44:10, Gen_44:17-18 (3), Gen_44:24, Gen_44:27, Gen_44:30-33 (4), Exo_4:10, Exo_12:44, Exo_14:31, Exo_21:2, Exo_21:5, Exo_21:20, Exo_21:26, Lev_25:6, Num_11:11, Num_12:7-8 (2), Deu_3:24 (2), Deu_5:15, Deu_15:17, Deu_23:15, Deu_34:5, Jos_1:1-2 (2), Jos_1:7, Jos_1:13, Jos_1:15, Jos_5:14, Jos_8:31, Jos_8:33, Jos_9:24, Jos_11:12, Jos_11:15, Jos_12:6 (2), Jos_13:8, Jos_18:7 (2), Jos_22:2, Jos_22:4-5 (2), Jos_24:29, Jdg_2:8, Jdg_15:18, 1Sa_3:9-10 (2), 1Sa_17:32, 1Sa_17:34, 1Sa_17:36, 1Sa_17:58, 1Sa_19:4, 1Sa_22:7-8 (4), 1Sa_22:15 (2), 1Sa_23:10-11 (3), 1Sa_25:39, 1Sa_25:41, 1Sa_26:18-19 (2), 1Sa_27:5, 1Sa_27:12, 1Sa_29:2-3 (2), 1Sa_29:8, 1Sa_30:13, 2Sa_3:18, 2Sa_7:5, 2Sa_7:8, 2Sa_7:20-21 (2), 2Sa_7:25-29 (7), 2Sa_9:2 (2), 2Sa_9:6, 2Sa_9:8, 2Sa_9:11 (2), 2Sa_11:21, 2Sa_13:24 (3), 2Sa_13:35, 2Sa_14:19-20 (2), 2Sa_14:22 (2), 2Sa_15:2, 2Sa_15:8, 2Sa_15:21, 2Sa_15:34 (3), 2Sa_18:29 (2), 2Sa_19:19-20 (2), 2Sa_19:26-28 (5), 2Sa_19:35-37 (5), 2Sa_24:10, 2Sa_24:21, 1Ki_1:19, 1Ki_1:26-27 (3), 1Ki_1:51, 1Ki_2:38, 1Ki_3:6-9 (4), 1Ki_8:24-26 (3), 1Ki_8:28-30 (4), 1Ki_8:52-53 (2), 1Ki_8:56, 1Ki_8:59, 1Ki_8:66, 1Ki_11:11, 1Ki_11:26, 1Ki_11:32, 1Ki_11:36, 1Ki_11:38, 1Ki_14:7-8 (2), 1Ki_14:18, 1Ki_15:29, 1Ki_18:9 (2), 1Ki_18:12, 1Ki_18:36, 1Ki_20:9, 1Ki_20:32, 1Ki_20:39-40 (2), 2Ki_4:1 (2), 2Ki_5:6, 2Ki_5:15, 2Ki_5:17-18 (4), 2Ki_5:25, 2Ki_8:13, 2Ki_9:36, 2Ki_10:10, 2Ki_14:25, 2Ki_16:7, 2Ki_17:3, 2Ki_18:12, 2Ki_19:34, 2Ki_20:6, 2Ki_21:8, 2Ki_22:12, 2Ki_24:1, 2Ki_25:8, 1Ch_2:34-35 (2), 1Ch_6:49, 1Ch_16:13, 1Ch_17:4, 1Ch_17:7, 1Ch_17:18 (2), 1Ch_17:23-27 (6), 1Ch_21:8, 2Ch_1:3, 2Ch_6:15-17 (3), 2Ch_6:19-21 (4), 2Ch_6:42, 2Ch_24:6 (2), 2Ch_24:9, 2Ch_32:16, 2Ch_34:20, Neh_1:6-8 (3), Neh_1:11 (2), Neh_2:5, Neh_2:10, Neh_2:19, Neh_9:14, Neh_10:29, Job_1:8, Job_2:3, Job_3:19, Job_7:2, Job_19:16, Job_41:4, Job_42:7-8 (4), Psa_18:1, Psa_19:11, Psa_19:13, Psa_27:9, Psa_31:16, Psa_35:27, Psa_36:1, Psa_69:17, Psa_78:70, Psa_86:2, Psa_86:4, Psa_86:16, Psa_89:3, Psa_89:20, Psa_89:39, Psa_105:6, Psa_105:17, Psa_105:26, Psa_105:42, Psa_109:28, Psa_119:16-17 (3), Psa_119:23, Psa_119:38, Psa_119:49, Psa_119:65, Psa_119:76, Psa_119:84, Psa_119:122, Psa_119:124-125 (2), Psa_119:135, Psa_119:140, Psa_119:176, Psa_132:10, Psa_136:22, Psa_143:2, Psa_143:12, Psa_144:10, Pro_11:29, Pro_12:9, Pro_14:35, Pro_17:2, Pro_19:10, Pro_22:7, Pro_29:19, Pro_29:21, Pro_30:10, Pro_30:22, Ecc_7:21, Isa_20:3, Isa_22:20, Isa_24:2, Isa_37:35, Isa_41:8-9 (2), Isa_42:1, Isa_42:19 (2), Isa_43:10, Isa_44:1-2 (2), Isa_44:21 (2), Isa_44:26, Isa_48:20, Isa_49:3, Isa_49:5-7 (3), Isa_50:10, Isa_52:13, Isa_53:11, Jer_2:14, Jer_25:9, Jer_27:6, Jer_30:10, Jer_33:21-22 (2), Jer_33:26, Jer_34:16, Jer_43:10, Jer_46:27-28 (2), Eze_28:25, Eze_37:23-25 (5), Dan_9:11, Dan_10:17 (2), Hag_2:23, Zec_3:8, Mal_1:6, Mal_4:4

bondmen, 16
Gen_43:18, Gen_44:9, Lev_25:42, Lev_25:44 (2), Lev_26:13, Deu_6:21, Deu_7:8, Deu_28:68, Jos_9:23, 1Ki_9:22, 2Ki_4:1, 2Ch_28:10, Ezr_9:9, Est_7:4, Jer_34:13

manservant, 12
Exo_20:10, Exo_20:17, Exo_21:32, Deu_5:14 (2), Deu_5:21, Deu_12:18, Deu_16:11, Deu_16:14, Job_31:13, Jer_34:9-10 (2)

bondage, 10
Exo_13:3, Exo_13:14, Exo_20:2, Deu_5:6, Deu_6:12, Deu_8:14, Deu_13:5, Deu_13:10, Jos_24:17, Jdg_6:8

menservants, 9
Gen_12:16, Gen_20:14, Gen_24:35, Gen_30:43, Gen_32:5, Exo_21:7, Deu_12:12, 1Sa_8:16, 2Ki_5:26

servant’s, 8
Gen_19:2, 2Sa_7:19, 1Ki_11:13, 1Ki_11:34, 2Ki_8:19, 1Ch_17:17, 1Ch_17:19, Isa_45:4

bondman, 5
Gen_44:33, Deu_15:15, Deu_16:12, Deu_24:18, Deu_24:22

servants’, 4
Gen_46:34, Exo_8:24, Isa_63:17, Isa_65:8

bondservant, 1
Lev_25:39

manservant’s, 1
Exo_21:27

manservants, 1
Neh_7:67

Here is how the Bible (KJB) uses the term in English:

"manservant":

Exo_20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Exo_20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Exo_21:27 And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.

Exo_21:32 If the ox shall push a manservant or a maidservant; he shall give unto their master thirty shekels of silver, and the ox shall be stoned.

Deu_5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

Deu_5:21 Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Deu_12:18 But thou must eat them before the LORD thy God in the place which the LORD thy God shall choose, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite that is within thy gates: and thou shalt rejoice before the LORD thy God in all that thou puttest thine hands unto.

Deu_16:11 And thou shalt rejoice before the LORD thy God, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite that is within thy gates, and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, that are among you, in the place which the LORD thy God hath chosen to place his name there.

Deu_16:14 And thou shalt rejoice in thy feast, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite, the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, that are within thy gates.

Job_31:13 If I did despise the cause of my manservant or of my maidservant, when they contended with me;

Jer_34:9 That every man should let his manservant, and every man his maidservant, being an Hebrew or an Hebrewess, go free; that none should serve himself of them, to wit, of a Jew his brother.

Jer_34:10 Now when all the princes, and all the people, which had entered into the covenant, heard that every one should let his manservant, and every one his maidservant, go free, that none should serve themselves of them any more, then they obeyed, and let them go.

"manservants":

Neh_7:67 Beside their manservants and their maidservants, of whom there were seven thousand three hundred thirty and seven: and they had two hundred forty and five singing men and singing women.

"menservants:

Gen_12:16 And he entreated Abram well for her sake: and he had sheep, and oxen, and he asses, and menservants, and maidservants, and she asses, and camels.

Gen_20:14 And Abimelech took sheep, and oxen, and menservants, and womenservants, and gave them unto Abraham, and restored him Sarah his wife.

Gen_24:35 And the LORD hath blessed my master greatly; and he is become great: and he hath given him flocks, and herds, and silver, and gold, and menservants, and maidservants, and camels, and asses.

Gen_30:43 And the man increased exceedingly, and had much cattle, and maidservants, and menservants, and camels, and asses.

Gen_32:5 And I have oxen, and asses, flocks, and menservants, and womenservants: and I have sent to tell my lord, that I may find grace in thy sight.

Exo_21:7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.

Deu_12:12 And ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God, ye, and your sons, and your daughters, and your menservants, and your maidservants, and the Levite that is within your gates; forasmuch as he hath no part nor inheritance with you.

1Sa_8:16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.

2Ki_5:26 And he said unto him, Went not mine heart with thee, when the man turned again from his chariot to meet thee? Is it a time to receive money, and to receive garments, and oliveyards, and vineyards, and sheep, and oxen, and menservants, and maidservants?

Luk_12:45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;

Here is the Alpha use of the word, translated from 'ebed, from the OT:

Gen 9:25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

Here is the Omega use of the word, translated from 'ebed', from the OT:

Mal 4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

The Gospel of Luke, translates the word from pais [G3816] (basically, one under authority):

παῖς
pais
Total KJV Occurrences: 24

servant, 8
Mat_8:6, Mat_8:8, Mat_8:13, Mat_12:18, Luk_1:54, Luk_1:69, Luk_7:7, Act_4:25

child, 5
Mat_17:18, Luk_2:43, Luk_9:42, Act_4:27, Act_4:30

son, 3
Joh_4:51, Act_3:13, Act_3:26

children, 2
Mat_2:16, Mat_21:15

servants, 2
Mat_14:2, Luk_15:26

maid, 1
Luk_8:54

maiden, 1
Luk_8:51

menservants, 1
Luk_12:45

young, 1
Act_20:12

Thus the word means, scripturally, one who 'serves' (works for) another (see Genesis 29:15, [H5647, 'abad, from which [H5650; 'ebed] comes from], and thus whether service for a lord (Exodus 3:12 [5647]; Isaiah 42:1 [H5650], the 'ebed JEHOVAH, Jesus Christ, servant of the Father; 1 Kings 9:21), officer, relative, etc), or is under the authority of another (through various means (father to son, etc), or (slavery (Exodus 1:14), owe for debt ([H7916], sakiyr), for earnings (wages; Genesis 29:15), or by choice)). Additional useful references may be also found here - The amazing name Ebed: meaning and etymology

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I see. I have a concordance. I'm not looking for cut and paste type of responses.

I would say a manservant is one who performs for the desires of his master. A manservant to me includes much more than a person in captivity (owned as property). I'm trying to get at what a manservant does

BobRyan said:

Lev 23:1-3 it is a day of "Holy Convocation" as well
Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship"
Is 58:13 it is a day for not engaging in any secular activity.
It is a day for evangelism, visiting/healing the sick, meditation and worship.

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Where do you get these ideas from?

Yekcidmij said:

I thought it was a day of rest?...

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Jim Dickey, it is the day of God's rest.

ace of hearts said:

Here is where I would like some of your personal commentary.

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No thank you. It must be scripturally defined (Genesis 40:8, for God interprets His own word).

Yekcidmij said:

Maybe, but is the Sabbath in Leviticus 23 the same as the Sabbath commands in Ex 20, 34, Deut 5? Because the Sabbath commands in Lev 23 are observed on specific days of the month. And the "Holy Convocation" must be read in the Lev 23 context as well - so it's not talking about weekly church service. Do you obverse the convocations as prescribed in Lev 23? So I would think Lev 23 is pretty explicit about what it's meaning by "sabbath" and "holy convocation."

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There is a delineation among "holy convocations".

[1] vs 3, that which is in the 7th day:

Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

which is being cited from Exodus 20:8-11.

[2] vs 4, that which is in their "seasons" (times, and months):

Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

Which are all "beside" the original Sabbath of God, the 7th Day:

Lev 23:38 Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD.

The seventh day the sabbath of the Lord is never a monthly thing and not in seasons, but is a specific delineated and definitive day, the seventh day which existed before sin of mankind in Genesis 2:1-3, being the LORD's rest, His sabbath, compared to "their" sabbaths given after sin of mankind, after Mt. Sinai, and for Jerusalem, "her sabbaths", which is not God's Sabbath, which is "My sabbath" and "His" sabbath.

liberty of conscience said:

No thank you. It must be scripturally defined (Genesis 40:8, for God interprets His own word).

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Just exactly what I thought. You agreed to discussion. I ask you what a servant is and therefore does. You refuse to discuss that. Some of you passages clearly show that a servant does the will of his master. That idea exceeds immediate control over something. You pay a personal servant who provides your electricity. If you don't pay them, you don't get electricity. To condemn another for working on the sabbath and taking advantage of their sin is sin. Let's extend that. You don't have a donkey to ride. Now a car provides that. According to Exodus 20:11 that (donkey) car has to rest on the sabbath. The short of it is you don't keep the sabbath because you require service of servants (man, animals or mechanical) forbidden to work. Yes I understand your legalism stance. Say what you want. I only attempted to discuss the Scripture and its intent.

liberty of conscience said:

There is a delineation among "holy convocations".

[1] vs 3, that which is in the 7th day:

Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

which is being cited from Exodus 20:8-11.

[2] vs 4, that which is in their "seasons" (times, and months):

Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

Which are all "beside" the original Sabbath of God, the 7th Day:

Lev 23:38 Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD.

The seventh day the sabbath of the Lord is never a monthly thing and not in seasons, but is a specific delineated and definitive day, the seventh day which existed before sin of mankind in Genesis 2:1-3, being the LORD's rest, His sabbath, compared to "their" sabbaths given after sin of mankind, after Mt. Sinai, and for Jerusalem, "her sabbaths", which is not God's Sabbath, which is "My sabbath" and "His" sabbath.

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Simply not true. The word "sabbath" doesn't appear in any language in Genesis.

ace of hearts said:

Simply not true. The word "sabbath" doesn't appear in any language in Genesis.

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Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

ace of hearts said:

You pay a personal servant who provides your electricity. If you don't pay them, you don't get electricity.

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How pharisaically your interpretation, even when providing no scriptural foundation, but merely subjective and empty vape, not at all as how God interprets His own word, which you refused, as I presented.

Yet, even with that stated, I don't own a house to pay electric bills (I do not have any such bills), and even here the erroneous conclusion is drawn from a false apriori. You mispoke on both instances.

Perhaps God should shut off the sun on sabbath.

The brain is electric, you knew that, right?

You ought to apologize, but I know you will not.

ace of hearts said:

I only attempted to discuss the Scripture and its intent.

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John 8:44. Saw you a mile away. Yes, I personally think you are possessed based upon the evidence as aligned with scripture.

liberty of conscience said:

it is the day of God's rest.

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In Ex 20, 34 and Deut 5 it is commanded to be a day of rest for the people. Most people still have Saturday's off work these days.

liberty of conscience said:

There is a delineation among "holy convocations".

[1] vs 3, that which is in the 7th day:

Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.


Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

Which are all "beside" the original Sabbath of God, the 7th Day:

Lev 23:38 Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD.

The seventh day the sabbath of the Lord is never a monthly thing and not in seasons, but is a specific delineated and definitive day, the seventh day which existed before sin of mankind in Genesis 2:1-3, being the LORD's rest, His sabbath, compared to "their" sabbaths given after sin of mankind, after Mt. Sinai, and for Jerusalem, "her sabbaths", which is not God's Sabbath, which is "My sabbath" and "His" sabbath.

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When I read Lev 23, the sabbaths in the passage are explicitly attached to specific days of the month (I mean, it tells you exactly which days of which months; it couldn't be more explicit). The holy convocations in the passage are also explicitly defined in the passage. So I can't help but conclude that in Lev 23, the Sabbaths in view are specific days of the month as defined in the passage and the holy convocations are the specific feasts defined in the passage.

I know this is a problem for some people, and I don't really care how it's worked out. Some people will say that these are special sabbaths separate from the normal weekly sabbaths. If that's your solution, that's fine as a similar solution goes back quite some way in history. I think the Rabbi's came up with similar solutions.

Another solution is that Moses didn't use a Gregorian or Julian calendar, and rather used observations of the moon (and/or possibly the sun/seasons). In this case, the month begins on the first day of the week and the sabbaths in Lev 23 are simply normal weekly sabbaths with special feasts. Also in this case, nobody is observing the sabbath as commanded by Moses.

In any case, my previous claim was that based on Ex 20, 34, and Deut 5, the Sabbath is a day of rest which most people already observe by having a day off work. I further claim that the holy convocations in Lev 23 are not weekly convocations but the specific feasts defined in the passage and that the sabbaths in the passage are the specific ones attached to the specific feasts in the passage (regardless of how this is reconciled with the understanding of normal weekly sabbaths).

liberty of conscience said:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

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Sorry but your quoted text doesn't have the word sabbath in it in any language. Furthermore you fail to properly read your quoted text from Exodus.

liberty of conscience said:

How pharisaically your interpretation, even when providing no scriptural foundation, but merely subjective and empty vape, not at all as how God interprets His own word, which you refused, as I presented.

Yet, even with that stated, I don't own a house to pay electric bills (I do not have any such bills), and even here the erroneous conclusion is drawn from a false apriori. You mispoke on both instances.

Perhaps God should shut off the sun on sabbath.

The brain is electric, you knew that, right?

You ought to apologize, but I know you will not.

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Response is nothing more than the expected. If you consume electricity it's paid for somehow. To put forth you get free electricity isn't being honest. If you rent with paid utilities you even over pay for it. I know how the system works. So I do wonder if you're an inmate somewhere.

liberty of conscience said:

John 8:44. Saw you a mile away. Yes, I personally think you are possessed based upon the evidence as aligned with scripture.

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Sorry but I've no ill will about and can't dump a load of vile speech on you. You need a serious attitude check.