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"Context" in "all it's forms" is very important, in considering what was said, actions taken and/or did, ect...
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I don't think they were specific to that location or time, but I do think they were very specific in application. Both of those verses were about men being discipled under women and vice versa. By "discipled," I'm talking about the master-disciple relationship that Paul had under Gamaliel and the apostles had under Jesus, in which the master had nearly total authority over the life of the disciple. Paul demanded that relationship be man-to-man or woman-to-woman.
That's what both of those passages are about. In the second passage, Paul's "if you want to ask questions" hearkens back to how the master-disciple relationship worked (see Luke 2:46). Those women were trying insinuate themselves into discipleship under men.
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Joyce Meyer sent a personal letter to my daughter at a very dark time when she was in crisis because of a boyfriend. Dave, Joyce's husband reports that many times, Joyce is in her prayer room crying and praying over the issues that her listeners write to her about.
I've watched Joyce many times, and she is spot on about us, turning to God, about ev'ry thing, and about us praying about and embracing an "attitude of mercy" and "forgiveness", etc.
She took care of, and provided graciously for her father and her mother in their old age. Before he died, her father accepted Christ and asked her forgiveness for all the heinous things he had done to her.
Joyce has said that when she dies, she wants on her gravestone "She loved God".
I suspect it will be written there.
She DOES love God.
She's spot on with this message about spending time with God, etc.
I've watched Joyce many times, and she is spot on about us, turning to God, about ev'ry thing, and about us praying about and embracing an "attitude of mercy" and "forgiveness", etc.
She took care of, and provided graciously for her father and her mother in their old age. Before he died, her father accepted Christ and asked her forgiveness for all the heinous things he had done to her.
Joyce has said that when she dies, she wants on her gravestone "She loved God".
I suspect it will be written there.
She DOES love God.
She's spot on with this message about spending time with God, etc.
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I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man -- 1 Timothy 2
when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly. -- Acts 18
In Paul's time and experience, a teacher was a person who took firm authority over his disciple in all aspects of that disciple's life, such authority as Gamaliel had over Paul and Jesus had over his disciples, even to changing the name of his disciple from the name his own parents had given him. That's what being a teacher meant to Paul: Teaching meant authority.
Paul did not permit men to be discipled under women masters. By the same token, Paul also instructed that younger women be discipled under older women. In other words, Paul prohibited co-ed discipleship.
And frankly, that would be smart today. My church does not, for instance, set male "youth pastors" over young women, but has young women under older women and young men under older men.
"Expounding" is merely the conveyance of information without the implication of authority. Joyce Meyer assumes no authority over men sitting in her audience or listening to one of her CDs.
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I agree with the scripture quoted, but I don't agree with your last statement. I turned Joyce off when I caught her being pro women with snide remarks ... so I went click and never watched her after that. She is powerful influence and her audience is full of women that need her. As for the OP I would remind you that Oswald Chambers said, "Do not allow any experience or emotions to come between you and your Lord jesus Christ"
How many women preach and teach on Christian TV? Not that many and most have fallen by the way side. I do like a couple of women preachers like Evelynn Wyatt and Aimee Semple McPherson, but they are both long gone by now.
Aimee Semple McPherson - Wikipedia
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Paul is talking about a woman having authority over men. Authority, at its base, is the power to hold accountable and to punish--the harsh side of "discipline."
Joyce Meyer has no power to punish anyone, or to hold anyone accountable, or even to require them in any way to listen to her. She can't even report their "absences" to anyone in authority over them.
"Influence" --to whatever extent Meyer may have it beyond the inherent influence of the Gospel itself--is not authority.
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I see what you see ...
and do believe she does ...
I, too, suspect it will be written there ...
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I like your post, because it is reasonable and not a command without exception.
Priscilla and Aquila were a Husband and Wife who worked with Paul for years.
They working together mentored Apollos in the Gospel.
This would not put Priscilla in direct authority over Apollos.
My main point is we must reconcile the hard parts of God's Word.
Often commands taken in the wrong context, makes God's Word seem in conflict.
We know it's not God we just need to study and find the truth.
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Can we assume that Phillips daughters taught Women?
The Bible does not say, so some research is needed to understand the duties of a Prophetess.
The Bible does not say, so some research is needed to understand the duties of a Prophetess.
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Having a gift on of foretelling things to come. Is completely different to teaching doctrine.
Teaching is speech that explains and applies what God has revealed. Teaching provides instruction not revelation.
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A Prophet speaks the word of God.
It is not the work of divination.
A Prophet provides teaching, of the will of God.
They rebuke, warn or speak of the consequences of a group or a persons actions.
In that day a Prophetess or prophet had better be correct or they would be killed.
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A passage to ponder.
Galatians 3: 26. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
This tells me, in Christ there exist no race or gender.
We know God is no respecter of person's so were the women Paul spoke of Christians or Pagan?
Did they worship Idols in the Church?
IDK.
Galatians 3: 26. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
This tells me, in Christ there exist no race or gender.
We know God is no respecter of person's so were the women Paul spoke of Christians or Pagan?
Did they worship Idols in the Church?
IDK.
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You may want to take your last sentence and apply it to your first sentence. The Lord might use Joyce Meyer one day to provide you with information you need, so you wouldn't want to let any experience or emotion prevent that from happening.
If Joyce Meyer were preaching something inherently wrong, that would be one thing. But that's not the complaint I hear about her. The complaints are basically that she's a woman.
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When I had first watched her sermon on Television, I enjoyed what she said.
I visited her live at our arena, I was impressed by the whole experience.
I was expecting to be hit for donations at every turn.
It was like a regular Church service, they took a offering the old fashioned way by passing a bag,to the ushers.
That was the extent of it all, Her books were on sale in the lobby yet when you consider the cost of the arena ,I have no problems with selling Books or CDs.
Most good WOF ministries do not pound the entire time for money.
Their are others you simply cannot watch with out the entire time spent on seed blessing and what other money scam they can try to drag you into.
Their is a difference between teaching prosperity in balance and seed blessing junk.
I was brought up in a conservative Church and a woman preaching was unheard of.
I have learned that old fashioned conservative Churches can be just as wrong on theology,
as any other ministries going on today.
I do not follow Joyce much,not due to being wrong or a woman, I have many other sermons I listen to, and only so much time.
I will say this.. she did not buy a 2 thousand dollar toilet.
I enjoy Antiques and looked at a marble top French commode.
It is simply a bath vanity in our language.
As nice as the one I looked at was, i wouldn't begrudge anyone for buying it.
I visited her live at our arena, I was impressed by the whole experience.
I was expecting to be hit for donations at every turn.
It was like a regular Church service, they took a offering the old fashioned way by passing a bag,to the ushers.
That was the extent of it all, Her books were on sale in the lobby yet when you consider the cost of the arena ,I have no problems with selling Books or CDs.
Most good WOF ministries do not pound the entire time for money.
Their are others you simply cannot watch with out the entire time spent on seed blessing and what other money scam they can try to drag you into.
Their is a difference between teaching prosperity in balance and seed blessing junk.
I was brought up in a conservative Church and a woman preaching was unheard of.
I have learned that old fashioned conservative Churches can be just as wrong on theology,
as any other ministries going on today.
I do not follow Joyce much,not due to being wrong or a woman, I have many other sermons I listen to, and only so much time.
I will say this.. she did not buy a 2 thousand dollar toilet.
I enjoy Antiques and looked at a marble top French commode.
It is simply a bath vanity in our language.
As nice as the one I looked at was, i wouldn't begrudge anyone for buying it.
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I don't know about a prophetess, but Priscilla expounded the gospel more completely to Apollos.
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