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When you consider a secular job....do you consider the salary of the CEO and refuse to work there if it is too much? The job you work now.....If the man at the top made 100k more than you.....would you up and quit because it doesnt seem right?

Do you give tithes to pay salaries or help the pastor, or because you feel is a biblical command?

Im confuse why knowing about someone elses money, would take joy out of doing something for God. And if it does....I would ponder the reasons why we are doing it in the first place.

Is it the one receiving a lot of money who is serving mammon.......or the one who is making decisions based solely on the mention/knowledge of money?
 
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But if you factor in the benefits I suspect the service member is doing just fine.

Oh, yeah, he's doing okay. But he's not earning nearly as much money.

And compared to the pastor of any mega-church I've ever known, that carrier captain has spent private time with every sailor on the ship, he knows several thousand of them by name, knows all of them by face, and knows where they work and what they do.

I've never seen a mega-church pastor match that.
 
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I go to a large church. There’s probably somewhere around 4K people that come over 5 services. I found out a month or so ago that 2 pastors in my church make 6 figure incomes. I used to tithe at my church with a joy in helping out. After hearing about the income levels I haven’t tithed in a few weeks. The joy I had isn’t there anymore knowing that my money is just going to our pastor. I’m all for pastors getting paid but not at such a high level. Could I get everyone’s perspective on this topic? Am I “right” in not feeling comfortable with that income level, or is it something that is ok because they are doing God’s work? Also on a side note, I do really like my church and they are doing Gods work. Please don’t talk negatively about it. Thanks

Yeah that does sound suspicious. Don't know what to tell you. If you like your church then what can you do. Do they teach God's word?
 
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As others have said, it depends on the cost of living in your area. In general, I think it's appropriate for a pastor to make the kind of salary that someone with a master's degree and X years of experience would make in your location.

I'm not sure the comparison to CEOs helps the case, because I think many CEOs are vastly overpaid. I wouldn't refuse to work in a company with a high-priced CEO, probably, but my union might decide to go on strike if there was too much income disparity between upper management and the workers. A church isn't going to have a strike, of course, but too much income disparity between the clergy and the laity is going to cause a morale problem.
 
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I go to a large church. There’s probably somewhere around 4K people that come over 5 services. I found out a month or so ago that 2 pastors in my church make 6 figure incomes. I used to tithe at my church with a joy in helping out. After hearing about the income levels I haven’t tithed in a few weeks. The joy I had isn’t there anymore knowing that my money is just going to our pastor. I’m all for pastors getting paid but not at such a high level. Could I get everyone’s perspective on this topic? Am I “right” in not feeling comfortable with that income level, or is it something that is ok because they are doing God’s work? Also on a side note, I do really like my church and they are doing Gods work. Please don’t talk negatively about it. Thanks

Senior pastors in our denomination usually make around 100,000 per year. Part of that figure is a housing allowance which is not taxed. I believe this is a good compensation for someone doing the work of a pastor. The job requires years of experience and at least a master's degree. With the same level of training and same amount of experience they could be getting paid better in the secular world.

What's your philosophy of pastoral compensation? Do you want you pastors to be able to save money, support their families, and drive reliable cars? Do you want them to not have to worry about how they're going to pay the bills? Do you want them to be able to help out their kids with college?

Or do you want your pastor living paycheck to paycheck, driving a beater, and not being able to provide opportunities for their kids that their parishioners are able to enjoy?

I think a good rule of thumb is that pastors ought to get paid somewhere in the median range of the salary of the congregation. They should be paid enough to be able to socialize with those to whom they minister, don't you think?
 
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As others have said, it depends on the cost of living in your area. your pastor needs to buy a home. unless the church provides a low-cost house, how can this work out? still ... i sm sympathetic to your argument. the pastors making 6-figures are "surfing on warm air".

I used to do jobs in the city that paid well, but the pressure on the daily workload was immense.

boom, boom, boom!!!
get the work done ... get the work product out the door!! thats the reality for people with the high-dollar salaries. and i have never seen pastors putting that kind of intensity into their daily workload. chatting with people and sipping coffee ... just doesnt cut it. so there's the rub ... pastors will be judged against real world standards. it is unavoidable.

back to the OP. your tithe is between you and God. use it to help poor people in the world who really need the help. Use your money wisely.

Blessings!!
 
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. I’m all for pastors getting paid but not at such a high level. Could I get everyone’s perspective on this topic? Am I “right” in not feeling comfortable with that income level, or is it something that is ok because they are doing God’s work? s

Its not OK cause they don't need that amount of money. Salvation Army minsters don't get paid very much at all.
 
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I go to a large church. There’s probably somewhere around 4K people that come over 5 services. I found out a month or so ago that 2 pastors in my church make 6 figure incomes. I used to tithe at my church with a joy in helping out. After hearing about the income levels I haven’t tithed in a few weeks. The joy I had isn’t there anymore knowing that my money is just going to our pastor. I’m all for pastors getting paid but not at such a high level. Could I get everyone’s perspective on this topic? Am I “right” in not feeling comfortable with that income level, or is it something that is ok because they are doing God’s work? Also on a side note, I do really like my church and they are doing Gods work. Please don’t talk negatively about it. Thanks

hmmmm ... not sure ... but maybe the Parable of the land owner should be considered?
with the land owner being the church?

Matthew 20:1-16

13″But he answered one of them, ‘Friend, I am not being unfair to you. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14Take your pay and go. I want to give the man who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’
16″So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”
 
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If you are of a certain age and have kids, depending on where you live, if your are talking 100k /yr that figure may be very reasonable, especially if the pastor has to pay for his own health insurance, and has to save for his own retirement, kids college etc. Of course if that's over and above free housing, utilities, and medical than he is doing quite well for himself. A banker friend of mine does a lot of pastor mortgage refis and he claims on average the full time professionals make about 130 k which is comfortable imho.
 
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I go to a large church. There’s probably somewhere around 4K people that come over 5 services. I found out a month or so ago that 2 pastors in my church make 6 figure incomes. I used to tithe at my church with a joy in helping out. After hearing about the income levels I haven’t tithed in a few weeks. The joy I had isn’t there anymore knowing that my money is just going to our pastor. I’m all for pastors getting paid but not at such a high level. Could I get everyone’s perspective on this topic? Am I “right” in not feeling comfortable with that income level, or is it something that is ok because they are doing God’s work? Also on a side note, I do really like my church and they are doing Gods work. Please don’t talk negatively about it. Thanks
When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?” Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.” (John 21:21-22, 1984 NIV)
 
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I go to a large church. There’s probably somewhere around 4K people that come over 5 services. I found out a month or so ago that 2 pastors in my church make 6 figure incomes. I used to tithe at my church with a joy in helping out. After hearing about the income levels I haven’t tithed in a few weeks. The joy I had isn’t there anymore knowing that my money is just going to our pastor. I’m all for pastors getting paid but not at such a high level. Could I get everyone’s perspective on this topic? Am I “right” in not feeling comfortable with that income level, or is it something that is ok because they are doing God’s work? Also on a side note, I do really like my church and they are doing Gods work. Please don’t talk negatively about it. Thanks

Yeah I was part of a church with a similar set up for a while. I don’t think it’s at all healthy, and with some perspective you can see how the influence of cash and power kind of seeps into everything after a while.
 
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I go to a large church. There’s probably somewhere around 4K people that come over 5 services. I found out a month or so ago that 2 pastors in my church make 6 figure incomes. I used to tithe at my church with a joy in helping out. After hearing about the income levels I haven’t tithed in a few weeks. The joy I had isn’t there anymore knowing that my money is just going to our pastor. I’m all for pastors getting paid but not at such a high level. Could I get everyone’s perspective on this topic? Am I “right” in not feeling comfortable with that income level, or is it something that is ok because they are doing God’s work? Also on a side note, I do really like my church and they are doing Gods work. Please don’t talk negatively about it. Thanks
Ask what message this sends. If a pastor is doing God's work, he shouldn't want a large income.

I remember when I was going to classes to join the Catholic Church, 1983, the priests made about $1, 200 a year and about $1,000
Of that went back to their order.
 
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I'm in a suburb of Los Angeles here in California. It's pretty hard to raise a family on less than $100,000 total family income. Granted, I'm considering a comfortable lifestyle that includes a car for all the teenage children and money for college, etc. So six figures it a relative sum. I want my pastor to be comfortable.

With that understanding, I do not believe a pastor should desire to live in luxury. For me, it's impossible to understand how a man of God can spend money on luxury items knowing their are people in his own congregation who are suffering financially. It makes no sense to me.
 
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I go to a large church. There’s probably somewhere around 4K people that come over 5 services. I found out a month or so ago that 2 pastors in my church make 6 figure incomes. I used to tithe at my church with a joy in helping out. After hearing about the income levels I haven’t tithed in a few weeks. The joy I had isn’t there anymore knowing that my money is just going to our pastor. I’m all for pastors getting paid but not at such a high level. Could I get everyone’s perspective on this topic? Am I “right” in not feeling comfortable with that income level, or is it something that is ok because they are doing God’s work? Also on a side note, I do really like my church and they are doing Gods work. Please don’t talk negatively about it. Thanks

I think it depends on the percentage he is getting compared to the church itself. If only half of the congregation gave $20 per week each that’s still 2,080,000 per year. Most likely more than half give at least $20 and half probably give more than $20. So if he’s around $100,000 per year that’s not really a large percentage.
 
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I go to a large church. There’s probably somewhere around 4K people that come over 5 services. I found out a month or so ago that 2 pastors in my church make 6 figure incomes. I used to tithe at my church with a joy in helping out. After hearing about the income levels I haven’t tithed in a few weeks. The joy I had isn’t there anymore knowing that my money is just going to our pastor. I’m all for pastors getting paid but not at such a high level. Could I get everyone’s perspective on this topic? Am I “right” in not feeling comfortable with that income level, or is it something that is ok because they are doing God’s work? Also on a side note, I do really like my church and they are doing Gods work. Please don’t talk negatively about it. Thanks
Hi Yuppers, our senior pastor's salary is brought up each year at one of our business meetings. We are a church of about 250 members, and his salary/benefits package combined amounts to about $90K (if memory serves). For a pastor with his education (MDIV) and experience, and a congregation of our size, that salary amount puts him on the high side of average for senior pastors in our area of the country (the Midwest).

That said, the Lord clearly intends on us choosing to give .. e.g. Proverbs 3:9-10; Matthew 10:9-10; 2 Corinthians 9:6-7; Galatians 6:6-10; 1 Timothy 5:17-18, and pastors/teachers, as you can see from several of these passages, are an important part of that giving (they are often the very focus of such passages, in fact, so take a close look and consider what the Bible has to say about this if you have not already done so).

Our churches benefit from our giving, of course, as do parachurch ministries and all kinds of missions organizations that all see to the physical, mental, emotional and/or spiritual needs/well-being of many. But there is one other group that I believe has the potential to benefit far more than any other from our giving, and that group is the "givers" themselves :) Jack Hayford wrote an interesting book with a provocative title once called, The Key to Everything. In short, the "key" that he is referring to in his book is "giving", and that most definitely includes the careful and Biblical giving of our financial resources.

Your tithe is a direct financial blessing to many people (including yourself, in the case of your own church anyway ;)), so I'm not sure how withdrawing your tithe because you believe your pastor is overpaid is beneficial to anyone .. including yourself. Instead, why not ask someone about it (perhaps one of your elders or your deacon of finance .. you can do so confidentially)? Or bring it up in a business meeting by asking what parameters were used in deciding how much to pay him. Simply withdrawing your tithe w/o saying anything will change nothing for the better (if such a change is needed), because no one will know why you are doing it, yes?

Yours and His,
David

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