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Hi, I'm new. I'm concerned about the times, but not sure where to post this.
2015 was marked by seven “when-then” signs that signal the “kingdom of God”--the other phrase in Christ’s announcement…

“The sun shall be darkened and the moon turned to blood before the day of the Lord.”
The rare solar eclipse on the equinox and a blood moon two weeks later on Passover fulfilled Joel 2:31 above where the word for ‘before’ is paniym. It means face or facing.

Those events are facing the end-time ‘day of the Lord,’ along with the other signs.

What did Christ mean, the kingdom of God is at hand in Mark 1:15?

When Christ proclaimed this 2000 years ago He had an internal kingdom in mind, saying ‘Blessed are the meek, the merciful--the kingdom is within us if we have God’s Spirit from a surrender of our lives to Him, Lk 17:21

The disciples understood that, but that’s not what they were looking for when they asked if Christ would restore the kingdom, Acts 1.

Christ replied, “It is not for you to know the times and seasons…” That phrase is found only once before, in Daniel 2:21 where God sets up kings.

That chapter also proves the Bible correct for 2500. Since the four kingdoms of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Grecia and Rome, no kingdom has ruled the world. The Roman Empire, was represented by the legs of iron.

Christ’s “times and seasons” when the kingdom will be restored is ALSO found in 1Thessalonians 5:1-3…

Paul said “you know the times and seasons, for the day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night, for when they shall say ‘Peace and safety,’ sudden destruction comes on them.”

The Iran Nuclear Treaty in 2015 was ‘Peace and safety,’ and it was updated by the UN theme for 2017 that included those words.

Other signs in 2015 need explaining…
“When you see the abomination…standing where it ought not…flee” Mark 13:14

Three signs in 2015 could qualify as an abomination. The Bible calls same sex union an abomination in Leviticus 18:22 and it was ‘standing where it ought not’ in the US Supreme Court. Obama’s White House gave approval with the rainbow lights above.

Early Christians understood Christ’s words to mean the Roman army that came to Jerusalem in 66 AD, so they fled and were spared the siege by Titus in 70 AD

In 2015, a JADE HELM drill meant Homeland Eradication of Local Militants that some say was a test for when martial law is set up.
The pope also represents the "mother of abominations" in Rev 17:5 and he was "standing where he ought not" (Mark 13:14) in the US Congress in 2015.
More could be said, but the point is, the Bible has many references to 3 1/2 years like Elijah's ministry, Christ's time and in Daniel 12 or Rev 11:3, 13:5. The Roman General Cestius coming to Jerusalem in the fall of 66 AD was the sign that early believers took to flee as Christ said before Titus came 3 1/2 years later. We had the signs 3 years ago, but most Christians are numb from signs and are stuck in cities when they should consider an exit plan to be in harmony with Christ's words. When martial law comes, "one shall be taken and the other left" may have a new meaning for dreamy people who think it's about a rapture. They should read the last verse of Luke 17 to see the real meaning.
 

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Hi, I'm new. I'm concerned about the times, but not sure where to post this.
2015 was marked by seven “when-then” signs that signal the “kingdom of God”--the other phrase in Christ’s announcement…

“The sun shall be darkened and the moon turned to blood before the day of the Lord.”
The rare solar eclipse on the equinox and a blood moon two weeks later on Passover fulfilled Joel 2:31 above where the word for ‘before’ is paniym. It means face or facing.

Those events are facing the end-time ‘day of the Lord,’ along with the other signs.

What did Christ mean, the kingdom of God is at hand in Mark 1:15?

When Christ proclaimed this 2000 years ago He had an internal kingdom in mind, saying ‘Blessed are the meek, the merciful--the kingdom is within us if we have God’s Spirit from a surrender of our lives to Him, Lk 17:21

The disciples understood that, but that’s not what they were looking for when they asked if Christ would restore the kingdom, Acts 1.

Christ replied, “It is not for you to know the times and seasons…” That phrase is found only once before, in Daniel 2:21 where God sets up kings.

That chapter also proves the Bible correct for 2500. Since the four kingdoms of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Grecia and Rome, no kingdom has ruled the world. The Roman Empire, was represented by the legs of iron.

Christ’s “times and seasons” when the kingdom will be restored is ALSO found in 1Thessalonians 5:1-3…

Paul said “you know the times and seasons, for the day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night, for when they shall say ‘Peace and safety,’ sudden destruction comes on them.”

The Iran Nuclear Treaty in 2015 was ‘Peace and safety,’ and it was updated by the UN theme for 2017 that included those words.

Other signs in 2015 need explaining…
“When you see the abomination…standing where it ought not…flee” Mark 13:14

Three signs in 2015 could qualify as an abomination. The Bible calls same sex union an abomination in Leviticus 18:22 and it was ‘standing where it ought not’ in the US Supreme Court. Obama’s White House gave approval with the rainbow lights above.

Early Christians understood Christ’s words to mean the Roman army that came to Jerusalem in 66 AD, so they fled and were spared the siege by Titus in 70 AD

In 2015, a JADE HELM drill meant Homeland Eradication of Local Militants that some say was a test for when martial law is set up.
The pope also represents the "mother of abominations" in Rev 17:5 and he was "standing where he ought not" (Mark 13:14) in the US Congress in 2015.
More could be said, but the point is, the Bible has many references to 3 1/2 years like Elijah's ministry, Christ's time and in Daniel 12 or Rev 11:3, 13:5. The Roman General Cestius coming to Jerusalem in the fall of 66 AD was the sign that early believers took to flee as Christ said before Titus came 3 1/2 years later. We had the signs 3 years ago, but most Christians are numb from signs and are stuck in cities when they should consider an exit plan to be in harmony with Christ's words. When martial law comes, "one shall be taken and the other left" may have a new meaning for dreamy people who think it's about a rapture. They should read the last verse of Luke 17 to see the real meaning.
Well welcome to the boards, looks like you have done some study and serious thought on the subject matter, good for you. In the eschatology forum you will find that they love to go over this sort of thing endlessly, I hope you get the chance to exchange notes on the subject.

It's a deep topic, take your time and enjoy what God will bring you as a result of study. You have some trouble navigating the board feel free to ask your questions here or drop me a PM.

Grace and peace,
Mark
 
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Hi, I'm new. I'm concerned about the times, but not sure where to post this.
2015 was marked by seven “when-then” signs that signal the “kingdom of God”--the other phrase in Christ’s announcement…

“The sun shall be darkened and the moon turned to blood before the day of the Lord.”
The rare solar eclipse on the equinox and a blood moon two weeks later on Passover fulfilled Joel 2:31 above where the word for ‘before’ is paniym. It means face or facing.

Those events are facing the end-time ‘day of the Lord,’ along with the other signs.

What did Christ mean, the kingdom of God is at hand in Mark 1:15?

When Christ proclaimed this 2000 years ago He had an internal kingdom in mind, saying ‘Blessed are the meek, the merciful--the kingdom is within us if we have God’s Spirit from a surrender of our lives to Him, Lk 17:21

The disciples understood that, but that’s not what they were looking for when they asked if Christ would restore the kingdom, Acts 1.

Christ replied, “It is not for you to know the times and seasons…” That phrase is found only once before, in Daniel 2:21 where God sets up kings.

That chapter also proves the Bible correct for 2500. Since the four kingdoms of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Grecia and Rome, no kingdom has ruled the world. The Roman Empire, was represented by the legs of iron.

Christ’s “times and seasons” when the kingdom will be restored is ALSO found in 1Thessalonians 5:1-3…

Paul said “you know the times and seasons, for the day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night, for when they shall say ‘Peace and safety,’ sudden destruction comes on them.”

The Iran Nuclear Treaty in 2015 was ‘Peace and safety,’ and it was updated by the UN theme for 2017 that included those words.

Other signs in 2015 need explaining…
“When you see the abomination…standing where it ought not…flee” Mark 13:14

Three signs in 2015 could qualify as an abomination. The Bible calls same sex union an abomination in Leviticus 18:22 and it was ‘standing where it ought not’ in the US Supreme Court. Obama’s White House gave approval with the rainbow lights above.

Early Christians understood Christ’s words to mean the Roman army that came to Jerusalem in 66 AD, so they fled and were spared the siege by Titus in 70 AD

In 2015, a JADE HELM drill meant Homeland Eradication of Local Militants that some say was a test for when martial law is set up.
The pope also represents the "mother of abominations" in Rev 17:5 and he was "standing where he ought not" (Mark 13:14) in the US Congress in 2015.
More could be said, but the point is, the Bible has many references to 3 1/2 years like Elijah's ministry, Christ's time and in Daniel 12 or Rev 11:3, 13:5. The Roman General Cestius coming to Jerusalem in the fall of 66 AD was the sign that early believers took to flee as Christ said before Titus came 3 1/2 years later. We had the signs 3 years ago, but most Christians are numb from signs and are stuck in cities when they should consider an exit plan to be in harmony with Christ's words. When martial law comes, "one shall be taken and the other left" may have a new meaning for dreamy people who think it's about a rapture. They should read the last verse of Luke 17 to see the real meaning.

Olivet Timing Revealed by Luke’s Gospel:

Compare Luke's Gospel to that of Matthew if you want to understand the timing.

Jesus Foretells Destruction of the Temple (These subtitles are found in e-Sword.)



Luk 21:5  Then, as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations, He said, 

Luk 21:6  "These things which you see—the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down." 

(Mat 24:2  And Jesus said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down." )




Luk 21:7  So they asked Him, saying, "Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?" 

(Mat 24:3  Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?")

( Mar 13:3  Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked Him privately, 

Mar 13:4  "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign when all these things will be fulfilled?") 




Luk 21:8  And He said: "Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am He,' and, 'The time has drawn near.' Therefore do not go after them. 

(Mat 24:5  For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. )



Luk 21:9  But when you hear of wars and commotions, do not be terrified; for these things must come to pass first, but the end will not come immediately."

(Mat 24:6  And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.) 


Jesus Foretells Wars and Persecution



Luk 21:10  Then He said to them, "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 

(Mat 24:7  For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. )



Luk 21:11  And there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven. 

(Mat 24:7  For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. )



Luk 21:12  But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and rulers for My name's sake. 

(Mat 24:9  "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.) (Read Acts 22:19-20, where Paul reveals that he fulfilled this text.)



Luk 21:13  But it will turn out for you as an occasion for testimony. 

Luk 21:14  Therefore settle it in your hearts not to meditate beforehand on what you will answer; 

Luk 21:15  for I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries will not be able to contradict or resist. 

Luk 21:16  You will be betrayed even by parents and brothers, relatives and friends; and they will put some of you to death. 

Luk 21:17  And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. 

(Mat 24:10  And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. )



Luk 21:18  But not a hair of your head shall be lost. 

Luk 21:19  By your patience possess your souls. 

(Mat 24:13  But he who endures to the end shall be saved.) 



Jesus Foretells Destruction of Jerusalem


Luk 21:20  "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. (See also Luke 19:41-44)

(Mat 24:15  "Therefore when you see the 'ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand), 



Luk 21:21  Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 

(Mat 24:16  "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.) 



Luk 21:22  For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 

Luk 21:23  But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 

(Mat 24:19  But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! ) (See Luke 23:27-31 where Jesus warned the women weeping for Him.)



Luk 21:24  And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. 
(Almost all Bible scholars agree that the first part of the verse above is about 70 AD. At the end of the verse we find a period of time known as “the times of the Gentiles”. In the verses that follow we find the future Second Coming of Christ.)


The Coming of the Son of Man


Luk 21:25  "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 

(Mat 24:29  "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.) 



Luk 21:26  men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 

Luk 21:27  Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 

(Mat 24:30  Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.) 



Luk 21:28  Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near." 

(Mat 24:33  So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!)

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From "Antiquities of the Jews" by Josephus, Book 12, chapter 7

"6. When therefore the generals of Antiochus's armies had been beaten so often, Judas assembled the people together, and told them, that after these many victories which God had given them, they ought to go up to Jerusalem, and purify the temple, and offer the appointed sacrifices. But as soon as he, with the whole multitude, was come to Jerusalem, and found the temple deserted, and its gates burnt down, and plants growing in the temple of their own accord, on account of its desertion, he and those that were with him began to lament, and were quite confounded at the sight of the temple; so he chose out some of his soldiers, and gave them order to fight against those guards that were in the citadel, until he should have purified the temple. When therefore he had carefully purged it, and had brought in new vessels, the candlestick, the table [of shew-bread], and the altar [of incense], which were made of gold, he hung up the veils at the gates, and added doors to them. He also took down the altar [of burnt-offering], and built a new one of stones that he gathered together, and not of such as were hewn with iron tools. So on the five and twentieth day of the month Casleu, which the Macedonians call Apeliens, they lighted the lamps that were on the candlestick, and offered incense upon the altar [of incense], and laid the loaves upon the table [of shew-bread], and offered burnt-offerings upon the new altar [of burnt-offering]. Now it so fell out, that these things were done on the very same day on which their Divine worship had fallen off, and was reduced to a profane and common use, after three years' time; for so it was, that the temple was made desolate by Antiochus, and so continued for three years. This desolation happened to the temple in the hundred forty and fifth year, on the twenty-fifth day of the month Apeliens, and on the hundred fifty and third olympiad: but it was dedicated anew, on the same day, the twenty-fifth of the month Apeliens, on the hundred and forty-eighth year, and on the hundred and fifty-fourth olympiad. And this desolation came to pass according to the prophecy of Daniel, which was given four hundred and eight years before; for he declared that the Macedonians would dissolve that worship [for some time].

7. Now Judas celebrated the festival of the restoration of the sacrifices of the temple for eight days, and omitted no sort of pleasures thereon; but he feasted them upon very rich and splendid sacrifices; and he honored God, and delighted them by hymns and psalms. Nay, they were so very glad at the revival of their customs, when, after a long time of intermission, they unexpectedly had regained the freedom of their worship, that they made it a law for their posterity, that they should keep a festival, on account of the restoration of their temple worship, for eight days. And from that time to this we celebrate this festival, and call it Lights. I suppose the reason was, because this liberty beyond our hopes appeared to us; and that thence was the name given to that festival. Judas also rebuilt the walls round about the city, and reared towers of great height against the incursions of enemies, and set guards therein. He also fortified the city Bethsura, that it might serve as a citadel against any distresses that might come from our enemies. "


Josephus confirms above the understanding of the Jews of his time, who knew that Daniel had predicted the events of 167 BC, by Antiochus Epiphanes.
Josephus confirms it as a historical fact.


John 10:22 is a reference to the celebration of Hanukkah each year by the Jews of Jesus time.


The Book of Matthew was addressed mainly to a Jewish audience. Jesus was telling the Jews of His time that something similar to 167 BC would happen during 70 AD. Not only did Antiochus desecrate the temple, but he also attacked the city killing thousands of Jews and stopped the temple sacrifices. The temple sacrifices would also stop in 70 AD, due to the destruction of the temple. Based on John 10:22, the Jews were well aware of this historical fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy. Luke’s Gospel was written to more of a Gentile audience, so he spelled it out for them.


Matthew 24:15-16 and Luke 21:20-21 are clearly parallel accounts, because we have the exact same warning to flee from Judea to the mountains in the second verse of each Gospel.


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Hi, I'm new. I'm concerned about the times, but not sure where to post this.
2015 was marked by seven “when-then” signs that signal the “kingdom of God”--the other phrase in Christ’s announcement…
Richard, I read your opening post. And you are all over the place, my friend.

You need to get some order.

To begin to get that order, Richard, the end times are best understood by studying about the arch villain of that timeframe, and the different roles he will be in. Here is a chart I made about the path of the person.

These are the concepts. The timeframes you are examining are relevant to the person's progression. So you have to know the progression first.

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“The sun shall be darkened and the moon turned to blood before the day of the Lord.”
The rare solar eclipse on the equinox and a blood moon two weeks later on Passover fulfilled Joel 2:31 above where the word for ‘before’ is paniym. It means face or facing.

You are dealing with "apocalyptic language" in the statement above. This description shows up in several places in the new and old testament. It is symbolic of earthly dignitaries, great political authorities and great lights in the political or religious heavens. Symbolic of power structure.

Genesis 37:8-10, .”And this time, the sun, the moon, and the eleven stars bowed down to me. So he told it to his father and his brothers; and his father rebuked him and said to him, “What is this dream that you have dreamed? Shall your mother and I and your brothers indeed come to bow down to the earth before you?

When the word "darkened" appears it is the destruction of that power, namely Jerusalem in 70ad.
 
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Well welcome to the boards, looks like you have done some study and serious thought on the subject matter, good for you. In the eschatology forum you will find that they love to go over this sort of thing endlessly, I hope you get the chance to exchange notes on the subject.

It's a deep topic, take your time and enjoy what God will bring you as a result of study. You have some trouble navigating the board feel free to ask your questions here or drop me a PM.

Grace and peace,
Mark
Thank You, Mark, God bless you; if we keep following the light, we will meet someday, maybe sooner than we think!
 
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Thank You, Mark, God bless you; if we keep following the light, we will meet someday, maybe sooner than we think!
Just let me know if your interested in an exposition of Revelations sometime. I'm always fishing the board fir a Bible Study.
 
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Hi :handwaving:
Nice to meet you.
Hi, Love and mercy meet over the Mercy Seat in the Most Holy Place. The Ark of the Covenant represented the throne of God and while His law is the foundation of His kingdom--dominion of a king--His mercy is ever present and His goodness to provide Christ to die for us wins our hearts and compels our service of love to do the best we know. May He bless and guide you...
 
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“The sun shall be darkened and the moon turned to blood before the day of the Lord.”
The rare solar eclipse on the equinox and a blood moon two weeks later on Passover fulfilled Joel 2:31 above where the word for ‘before’ is paniym. It means face or facing.

That's what i think it is Richard. THOSE were the actual ones. I know it sounds crazy. We shall soon see.

That solar eclipse WAS rare. It rose up at the north pole. If anyone were to be sitting there, they would be expecting to see the sun rise for the first time after many weeks of darkness. And it would, but it would rise as a total eclipse.

But look again carefully at the Scripture you posted. Did you type that from memory? Because Joel's sun was not merely "darkened", it was turned into complete DARKNESS.

"The sun shall be turned into darkness,
and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD.​

It's Matthew's sun that is merely "darkened" immediately after.

I think we're getting close to something happening.

What did Christ mean, the kingdom of God is at hand in Mark 1:15?

He was talking to the first century Jews. The kingdom of God WAS at hand for them, but they missed the time of their Visitation.

Look again carefully. Jesus said that the TIME was fulfilled. What TIME did He mean was fulfilled? It was the Daniel 9 time. 62 + 7 until Messiah the Prince. The Jews were supposed to redeem the 70 weeks. The time for them, was at hand.

“The time is fulfilled,
and the kingdom of God is at hand.​

I think the time of our Visitation is coming soon.

As we speed toward the "darkened" sun and a moon that will not give her light.

Blessings to you.
 
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Olivet Timing Revealed by Luke’s Gospel:

Compare Luke's Gospel to that of Matthew if you want to understand the timing.

Jesus Foretells Destruction of the Temple (These subtitles are found in e-Sword.)



Luk 21:5  Then, as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations, He said, 

Luk 21:6  "These things which you see—the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down." 

(Mat 24:2  And Jesus said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down." )




Luk 21:7  So they asked Him, saying, "Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?" 

(Mat 24:3  Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?")

( Mar 13:3  Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked Him privately, 

Mar 13:4  "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign when all these things will be fulfilled?") 




Luk 21:8  And He said: "Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am He,' and, 'The time has drawn near.' Therefore do not go after them. 

(Mat 24:5  For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. )



Luk 21:9  But when you hear of wars and commotions, do not be terrified; for these things must come to pass first, but the end will not come immediately."

(Mat 24:6  And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.) 


Jesus Foretells Wars and Persecution



Luk 21:10  Then He said to them, "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 

(Mat 24:7  For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. )



Luk 21:11  And there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven. 

(Mat 24:7  For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. )



Luk 21:12  But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and rulers for My name's sake. 

(Mat 24:9  "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.) (Read Acts 22:19-20, where Paul reveals that he fulfilled this text.)



Luk 21:13  But it will turn out for you as an occasion for testimony. 

Luk 21:14  Therefore settle it in your hearts not to meditate beforehand on what you will answer; 

Luk 21:15  for I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries will not be able to contradict or resist. 

Luk 21:16  You will be betrayed even by parents and brothers, relatives and friends; and they will put some of you to death. 

Luk 21:17  And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. 

(Mat 24:10  And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. )



Luk 21:18  But not a hair of your head shall be lost. 

Luk 21:19  By your patience possess your souls. 

(Mat 24:13  But he who endures to the end shall be saved.) 



Jesus Foretells Destruction of Jerusalem


Luk 21:20  "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. (See also Luke 19:41-44)

(Mat 24:15  "Therefore when you see the 'ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand), 



Luk 21:21  Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 

(Mat 24:16  "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.) 



Luk 21:22  For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 

Luk 21:23  But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 

(Mat 24:19  But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! ) (See Luke 23:27-31 where Jesus warned the women weeping for Him.)



Luk 21:24  And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. 
(Almost all Bible scholars agree that the first part of the verse above is about 70 AD. At the end of the verse we find a period of time known as “the times of the Gentiles”. In the verses that follow we find the future Second Coming of Christ.)


The Coming of the Son of Man


Luk 21:25  "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 

(Mat 24:29  "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.) 



Luk 21:26  men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 

Luk 21:27  Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 

(Mat 24:30  Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.) 



Luk 21:28  Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near." 

(Mat 24:33  So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!)

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From "Antiquities of the Jews" by Josephus, Book 12, chapter 7

"6. When therefore the generals of Antiochus's armies had been beaten so often, Judas assembled the people together, and told them, that after these many victories which God had given them, they ought to go up to Jerusalem, and purify the temple, and offer the appointed sacrifices. But as soon as he, with the whole multitude, was come to Jerusalem, and found the temple deserted, and its gates burnt down, and plants growing in the temple of their own accord, on account of its desertion, he and those that were with him began to lament, and were quite confounded at the sight of the temple; so he chose out some of his soldiers, and gave them order to fight against those guards that were in the citadel, until he should have purified the temple. When therefore he had carefully purged it, and had brought in new vessels, the candlestick, the table [of shew-bread], and the altar [of incense], which were made of gold, he hung up the veils at the gates, and added doors to them. He also took down the altar [of burnt-offering], and built a new one of stones that he gathered together, and not of such as were hewn with iron tools. So on the five and twentieth day of the month Casleu, which the Macedonians call Apeliens, they lighted the lamps that were on the candlestick, and offered incense upon the altar [of incense], and laid the loaves upon the table [of shew-bread], and offered burnt-offerings upon the new altar [of burnt-offering]. Now it so fell out, that these things were done on the very same day on which their Divine worship had fallen off, and was reduced to a profane and common use, after three years' time; for so it was, that the temple was made desolate by Antiochus, and so continued for three years. This desolation happened to the temple in the hundred forty and fifth year, on the twenty-fifth day of the month Apeliens, and on the hundred fifty and third olympiad: but it was dedicated anew, on the same day, the twenty-fifth of the month Apeliens, on the hundred and forty-eighth year, and on the hundred and fifty-fourth olympiad. And this desolation came to pass according to the prophecy of Daniel, which was given four hundred and eight years before; for he declared that the Macedonians would dissolve that worship [for some time].

7. Now Judas celebrated the festival of the restoration of the sacrifices of the temple for eight days, and omitted no sort of pleasures thereon; but he feasted them upon very rich and splendid sacrifices; and he honored God, and delighted them by hymns and psalms. Nay, they were so very glad at the revival of their customs, when, after a long time of intermission, they unexpectedly had regained the freedom of their worship, that they made it a law for their posterity, that they should keep a festival, on account of the restoration of their temple worship, for eight days. And from that time to this we celebrate this festival, and call it Lights. I suppose the reason was, because this liberty beyond our hopes appeared to us; and that thence was the name given to that festival. Judas also rebuilt the walls round about the city, and reared towers of great height against the incursions of enemies, and set guards therein. He also fortified the city Bethsura, that it might serve as a citadel against any distresses that might come from our enemies. "


Josephus confirms above the understanding of the Jews of his time, who knew that Daniel had predicted the events of 167 BC, by Antiochus Epiphanes.
Josephus confirms it as a historical fact.


John 10:22 is a reference to the celebration of Hanukkah each year by the Jews of Jesus time.


The Book of Matthew was addressed mainly to a Jewish audience. Jesus was telling the Jews of His time that something similar to 167 BC would happen during 70 AD. Not only did Antiochus desecrate the temple, but he also attacked the city killing thousands of Jews and stopped the temple sacrifices. The temple sacrifices would also stop in 70 AD, due to the destruction of the temple. Based on John 10:22, the Jews were well aware of this historical fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy. Luke’s Gospel was written to more of a Gentile audience, so he spelled it out for them.


Matthew 24:15-16 and Luke 21:20-21 are clearly parallel accounts, because we have the exact same warning to flee from Judea to the mountains in the second verse of each Gospel.


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You sure put much faith in joesephus interpretation of scripture.If im,not mistaken josephus was a pharisee.You know,one of those guys Jesus said was a blind leader of the blind
But you believe josephus is a very wise man.
 
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That's what i think it is Richard. THOSE were the actual ones. I know it sounds crazy. We shall soon see.

That solar eclipse WAS rare. It rose up at the north pole. If anyone were to be sitting there, they would be expecting to see the sun rise for the first time after many weeks of darkness. And it would, but it would rise as a total eclipse.

But look again carefully at the Scripture you posted. Did you type that from memory? Because Joel's sun was not merely "darkened", it was turned into complete DARKNESS.

"The sun shall be turned into darkness,
and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD.​

It's Matthew's sun that is merely "darkened" immediately after.

I think we're getting close to something happening.



He was talking to the first century Jews. The kingdom of God WAS at hand for them, but they missed the time of their Visitation.

Look again carefully. Jesus said that the TIME was fulfilled. What TIME did He mean was fulfilled? It was the Daniel 9 time. 62 + 7 until Messiah the Prince. The Jews were supposed to redeem the 70 weeks. The time for them, was at hand.

“The time is fulfilled,
and the kingdom of God is at hand.​

I think the time of our Visitation is coming soon.

As we speed toward the "darkened" sun and a moon that will not give her light.

Blessings to you.
The time that is fulfilled now is what Peter said not to ignore--when 1000 years are as a day, 2Peter 3:8. How would we know?
Take Daniel's prophecy of 70 weeks (of years) and realize that it also is 10 jubilees because the 50th year in Lev 25:9,10 was ALSO the 1st year of the next sequence. 10 Jubilees to Christ, but 50 Jubilees comes to 1995 when Pope John Paul went to the UN on the Day of Atonement (the day to proclaim jubilee in Lev 25:9--amazing coincidence, and then Pope Francis ALSO went to the UN, ALSO on a Day of Atonement in 2015. But WHY the 20 year gap?
If we try to integrate the jubilees into 1000 years that Peter said not to ignore, 490 + 490 = 980. The 20 years left over are marked by the papal visits and we are out of time because God gives man six days to do all his work (4th Commandment) and 1000 years are as a day.
I believe the events of 2015 are signals pointing 3 1/2 years to next spring, like the Roman General Cestius who came to Jerusalem 3 1/2 years before Titus. Trouble will be huge next spring...
 
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You sure put much faith in joesephus interpretation of scripture.If im,not mistaken josephus was a pharisee.You know,one of those guys Jesus said was a blind leader of the blind
But you believe josephus is a very wise man.

I never said he was a "wise" man, and I never put a great deal of faith in his interpretation of scripture.
However, his interpretation of some passages does reflect the general understanding of Jews who lived during that time.

John 10:22 bears witness to the events of 167 BC, by Antiochus Epiphanes.
The writings of the Maccabbees also confirm these facts.

Bible scholars all over the world have used Josephus as a historian of his time.
Much of what we know about the destruction of Jerusalem during 70 AD has come from his writings.

What did he say that conflicts with your man-made doctrine?


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But WHY the 20 year gap?

I think it was a 21 year gap. It was a 21 YEAR delay. I'm a student of an ex-SDA Pastor who i think has this part figured out. There were actually seven sets of 70 weeks since the Jubilee calendar that was given to Moses during the Exodus in 1437BC. From 1437BC to 1994 was 490 years times seven. Daniel 9's 70 weeks were cut off, 2852. chathak, from the times of the gentiles.

"Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.​

There's precedent in the Bible for counting objects for years.

"The seven good cows are seven years,
and the seven good ears are seven years; the dreams are one.​

In 1994, after seven sets of 70 weeks since the Exodus, confirmation seemed to have been sent when Comet Shoemaker Levy 9 impacted Jupiter 21 times over a six day period. These were the largest explosions ever witnessed by mankind. Some of the holes put into Jupiter were big enough for the Earth to fit into. Over a 6 day period, the energy equivalent to 6,000,000 megatons on TNT, (600 times the world's nuclear arsenal).

"Over the next six days, 21 distinct impacts were observed, with the largest coming on July 18 at 07:33 UTC when fragment G struck Jupiter. This impact created a giant dark spot over 12,000 km (7,500 mi) across, and was estimated to have released an energy equivalent to 6,000,000 megatons of TNT (600 times the world's nuclear arsenal).[23]Two impacts 12 hours apart on July 19 created impact marks of similar size to that caused by fragment G, and impacts continued until July 22, when fragment W struck the planet.[24]

1994 + 21 years = 2015 and then the sun is turned into dark-ness.

I believe the events of 2015 are signals pointing 3 1/2 years to next spring, like the Roman General Cestius who came to Jerusalem 3 1/2 years before Titus. Trouble will be huge next spring...

You might be right Richard. But i think it's happening now, in ways that are not satisfying the standard apocalyptic expectations of the majority of the eschatological expositors.

There's just too many coincidental numbers for it to be a coincidence. From the "darkened" sun, i can measure backwards to five different other peculiar signs in the sun and in the moon and in the stars. I won't be over this until after the third week of January. Right now, i think, that the Lord is going to roll this whole place up like a scroll over a very short period of time. I think that the second coming is closer than we think. It might be why Jesus was always stressing for us to watch.

"And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.​

From the third moon of the tetrad, until the "darkened' sun is 1372 days.

From the day that Jupiter entered into Virgo to begin the Revelation 12 sign, until the "darkened" sun is 777 days.

From the last moon of the tetrad, until the conjunction of Jupiter and Venus is another 777 days.

From that same conjunction after the Revelation 12 sign, until the "darkened" sun is 420 days. The last 420 days of a 1260 day span when measured from the third moon of the tetrad.

This also is confirmed by what Isaac Newton was saying about Daniel 9 having embedded within it's enigmatic text, a provision for TWO comings of Messiah. A decree in 1535 + 62 weeks of 434 years brings us to another decree in 1969 + 7 weeks that takes us to January 2019.

"Whether He comes in the second watch, or even in the third, and finds them so, blessed are those servants.​

Three watches of the night:

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AND, it's EXACTLY 1290 DAYS from June 26, 2015 when the United States became the 21st nation on the planet to legalize same sex marriage, until a "darkened" sun and a blood moon that will not give her light.

1) The Netherlands (2000)
2) Belgium (2003)
3) canada (2005)
4) Spain (2005)
5) South Africa (2006)
6) Norway (2009)
7) Sweden (2009)
8) Argentina (2010)
9) Iceland (2010)
10) Portugal (2010)
11) Denmark (2012)
12) Brazil (2013)
13) England and Wales (2013)
14) France (2013)
15) New Zealand (2013)
16) Uruguay (2013)
17) Luxembourg (2014)
18) Scotland (2014)
19) Finland: (signed 2015, effective 2017)
20) Ireland: (2015)
21) United States: (2015)<-------1290 Days------->X
21) United States:
(2015)<-------1290 Days------->EofW

X= "darkened" sun

X= "End of these wonders.

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<----1260---->
<-----1290-----> 0.976744186046512
<------1335------> 0.966292134831461
<-------1372-------> 0.973032069970845

(O)14(o) <------------1588------------> (O)14(o)
(O)14(o) <----------1550----------> (O)14(o)
(O)14(o) <---------1372---------> (O)14(o)
(O)14(o) <--------1209--------> (O)14(o)
(O)14(o) <------1195------> (O)14(o)

I haven't found any other count of days that falls in between the solar and lunar eclipse groupings as does this 1372 day span.

I also think that the day for a year translation of prophetic time ended in 1994 with the logical conclusion of the Jubilee calendar after the completion of seven sets of seventy weeks since the Exodus.

That process HAD to continue though the 1260 years of the Foxe Book days, and enough to include 1844 at a minimum. But there had to be a logical end of it before our end times could begin. Because the time periods like the 1290 days of Daniel 12 and the 1260 days of Revelation 11 could not be 1260 years.

It goes without saying.

And that's a long note.
 
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I never said he was a "wise" man, and I never put a great deal of faith in his interpretation of scripture.
However, his interpretation of some passages does reflect the general understanding of Jews who lived during that time.

John 10:22 bears witness to the events of 167 BC, by Antiochus Epiphanes.
The writings of the Maccabbees also confirm these facts.

Bible scholars all over the word have used Josephus as a historian of his time.
Much of what we know about the destruction of Jerusalem during 70 AD has come from his writings.

What did he say that conflicts with your man-made doctrine?


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One valuable insight from Josephus is the description of the High Priest's golden crown "in which was engraven the Sacred Name. It consists of four vowels."
Think about that. Vowels are the music or melody of a word, punctuated by obstructions to air flow like b,c,d. God's name, like His character have no obstructions and is different from what 99% of people think when they say Yahweh (YHWH are consonents) and the Jews have profaned His name as Ezek 36:21 suggests. For more information, visit God's Name: more to it than you'd guess
 
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One valuable insight from Josephus is the description of the High Priest's golden crown "in which was engraven the Sacred Name. It consists of four vowels."
Think about that. Vowels are the music or melody of a word, punctuated by obstructions to air flow like b,c,d. God's name, like His character have no obstructions and is different from what 99% of people think when they say Yahweh (YHWH are consonents) and the Jews have profaned His name as Ezek 36:21 suggests. For more information, visit God's Name: more to it than you'd guess

The following statement comes from your link...

"Those who are not willing to identify with a strange name supported by the best evidence, don’t have His character and remain unsealed."

"Sealing" comes from the baptism of the Holy Spirit, upon coming to faith in Christ.

Luke 3:16, John 3:1-16, 1 Corinthians 3:16, Ephesians 1:13, 1 John 2:27


The "Sacred Name" movement is one of many man-made doctrines.


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The following statement comes from your link...

"Those who are not willing to identify with a strange name supported by the best evidence, don’t have His character and remain unsealed."

"Sealing" comes from the baptism of the Holy Spirit, upon coming to faith in Christ.

Luke 3:16, John 3:1-16, 1 Corinthians 3:16, Ephesians 1:13, 1 John 2:27


The "Sacred Name" movement is one of many man-made doctrines.


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Berean (Acts 17:11) is a great model--please do so on this topic. The focus of Solomon's prayer at the dedication of his temple was "so all people might know Thy name" but today 99% of Christians do not. We say, "Hallowed be Thy name" but is God honored by our ignorance? It was a focus in Christ's last prayer in John 17. We are like Israel in the days of Elijah. Do you know the translation of Baal? It means lord, so how are we any better than they? Please read Hosea 2:16--it's for our time--call me Ishi (Husband), call me no more Baali A Bride must take her husbands name and Christ isn't looking for a dumb bride like Israel worshiped a calf after their covenant. We have to be open to a broader spectrum of Bible truth than you learned from teachers who only knew what their teachers taught them. Christ said before He comes, Elijah "must first come and restore all things." Matt 17:11. That includes His name. "ALL Scripture is given by Inspiration of God and is profitable..." This is NOT a man-made doctrine. If we are afraid people might laugh at us, we should grow up--everyone but Noah's family died because they were afraid to be laughed at
 
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I think it was a 21 year gap. It was a 21 YEAR delay. I'm a student of an ex-SDA Pastor who i think has this part figured out. There were actually seven sets of 70 weeks since the Jubilee calendar that was given to Moses during the Exodus in 1437BC. From 1437BC to 1994 was 490 years times seven. Daniel 9's 70 weeks were cut off, 2852. chathak, from the times of the gentiles.

"Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.​

There's precedent in the Bible for counting objects for years.

"The seven good cows are seven years,
and the seven good ears are seven years; the dreams are one.​

In 1994, after seven sets of 70 weeks since the Exodus, confirmation seemed to have been sent when Comet Shoemaker Levy 9 impacted Jupiter 21 times over a six day period. These were the largest explosions ever witnessed by mankind. Some of the holes put into Jupiter were big enough for the Earth to fit into. Over a 6 day period, the energy equivalent to 6,000,000 megatons on TNT, (600 times the world's nuclear arsenal).

"Over the next six days, 21 distinct impacts were observed, with the largest coming on July 18 at 07:33 UTC when fragment G struck Jupiter. This impact created a giant dark spot over 12,000 km (7,500 mi) across, and was estimated to have released an energy equivalent to 6,000,000 megatons of TNT (600 times the world's nuclear arsenal).[23]Two impacts 12 hours apart on July 19 created impact marks of similar size to that caused by fragment G, and impacts continued until July 22, when fragment W struck the planet.[24]

1994 + 21 years = 2015 and then the sun is turned into dark-ness.



You might be right Richard. But i think it's happening now, in ways that are not satisfying the standard apocalyptic expectations of the majority of the eschatological expositors.

There's just too many coincidental numbers for it to be a coincidence. From the "darkened" sun, i can measure backwards to five different other peculiar signs in the sun and in the moon and in the stars. I won't be over this until after the third week of January. Right now, i think, that the Lord is going to roll this whole place up like a scroll over a very short period of time. I think that the second coming is closer than we think. It might be why Jesus was always stressing for us to watch.

"And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.​

From the third moon of the tetrad, until the "darkened' sun is 1372 days.

From the day that Jupiter entered into Virgo to begin the Revelation 12 sign, until the "darkened" sun is 777 days.

From the last moon of the tetrad, until the conjunction of Jupiter and Venus is another 777 days.

From that same conjunction after the Revelation 12 sign, until the "darkened" sun is 420 days. The last 420 days of a 1260 day span when measured from the third moon of the tetrad.

This also is confirmed by what Isaac Newton was saying about Daniel 9 having embedded within it's enigmatic text, a provision for TWO comings of Messiah. A decree in 1535 + 62 weeks of 434 years brings us to another decree in 1969 + 7 weeks that takes us to January 2019.

"Whether He comes in the second watch, or even in the third, and finds them so, blessed are those servants.​

Three watches of the night:

xV08UrA.jpg


AND, it's EXACTLY 1290 DAYS from June 26, 2015 when the United States became the 21st nation on the planet to legalize same sex marriage, until a "darkened" sun and a blood moon that will not give her light.

1) The Netherlands (2000)
2) Belgium (2003)
3) canada (2005)
4) Spain (2005)
5) South Africa (2006)
6) Norway (2009)
7) Sweden (2009)
8) Argentina (2010)
9) Iceland (2010)
10) Portugal (2010)
11) Denmark (2012)
12) Brazil (2013)
13) England and Wales (2013)
14) France (2013)
15) New Zealand (2013)
16) Uruguay (2013)
17) Luxembourg (2014)
18) Scotland (2014)
19) Finland: (signed 2015, effective 2017)
20) Ireland: (2015)
21) United States: (2015)<-------1290 Days------->X
21) United States:
(2015)<-------1290 Days------->EofW

X= "darkened" sun

X= "End of these wonders.

MgjhO72.jpg




Dh6c2Et.jpg



oGzZCa6.jpg


<----1260---->
<-----1290-----> 0.976744186046512
<------1335------> 0.966292134831461
<-------1372-------> 0.973032069970845

(O)14(o) <------------1588------------> (O)14(o)
(O)14(o) <----------1550----------> (O)14(o)
(O)14(o) <---------1372---------> (O)14(o)
(O)14(o) <--------1209--------> (O)14(o)
(O)14(o) <------1195------> (O)14(o)

I haven't found any other count of days that falls in between the solar and lunar eclipse groupings as does this 1372 day span.

I also think that the day for a year translation of prophetic time ended in 1994 with the logical conclusion of the Jubilee calendar after the completion of seven sets of seventy weeks since the Exodus.

That process HAD to continue though the 1260 years of the Foxe Book days, and enough to include 1844 at a minimum. But there had to be a logical end of it before our end times could begin. Because the time periods like the 1290 days of Daniel 12 and the 1260 days of Revelation 11 could not be 1260 years.

It goes without saying.

And that's a long note.
Dave, I appreciate your good spirit but your information blows me away and I don't think God intended for it to be so complex.
He instituted a system of jubilees that spanned the 70 weeks of Daniel 9 to Messiah and 50 bring us to 1995 and Pope John Paul's UN visit on Day of Atonement (Lev 25:9) Then a 20 year gap to 2015 with Francis ALSO in UN on Day of Atonement. The 20 years are seen as a remained when we integrate the jubilees into 1000 years ("Be not ignorant, 1000 years" 2Pet 3:8). and since 2015, we are reminded of 2Pet 3:7 with things "reserved unto fire for the day of judgment." This years had fiery volcano and unprecedented fires in California. Hurricanes Florence, Michael, Paradise fire and winter storm Diego ALL on New Moons (Sept-Dec) New Moon was the context of God telling Moses that He would execute judgment in Exod 12:2,12. The US is worse than Egypt with 60 million abortions and having enslaved most people in alcohol, tobacco, drugs, food, gambling, sex, inappropriate content, etc and God is going to execute judgment, maybe the 10th event next spring will be huge as in Egypt. I think this needs more understanding...
 
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