Jesus is our sabbath

JohnB445 said:

Are Christians really required to observe the 7th day

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Yes -

See Exodus 20:8-11

BobRyan said:

Two questions

1. Are you under the New Covenant?
2 To whom is He speaking Jer 31:31-33

Two more questions.
1. Is it a sin for you to take God's name in vain Ex 20:7
2. To whom is He speaking? Ex 20:1-2

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If you answer my three, I will answer your four. That's quite a bargain.
Here's my three again.

Three questions:
1) To whom was he speaking? You say "His people". Who was it really?
2) Of what law was he speaking?
3) Do you wear tassels? (not too difficult) Don't forget the blue cord. Very important.
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Your four:

Saint Steven said:

If you answer my three, I will answer your four. That's quite a bargain.

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The answer to my questions - will answer your 3 questions as well. If you don't want to say whether you are a New Covenant Christian or not... I will gladly replace that question with a statement that most of us here are New Covenant Christians.

That's a bargain.

As "Westminster Confession of Faith" and "Baptist Confession of Faith" and almost every other statement of beliefs by all major Christian denominations will state - ceremonial "tassel" laws ended at the cross and most never applied to gentiles even in the OT. (Stating the obvious at this point)

And they also all agree that the Ten Commandments are included in the moral law of God written on the heart.

Sometimes they miss the point that Isaiah 56:6-8 specifically targets gentiles for the Sabbath observance.


Here's your three again.

Three questions:
1) To whom was he speaking? You say "His people". Who was it really?
2) Of what law was he speaking?
3) Do you wear tassels? (not too difficult) Don't forget the blue cord. Very important.
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Here is my four that would directly address your three if you had taken the time to answer them:

JohnB445 said:

Are Christians really required to observe the 7th day or else they take the mark of the beast as some SDA claim?

How do you address these verses then?

Colossians 1
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a sabbath day: 17 which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body is Christ's.

Galatians 4
8 Howbeit at that time, not knowing God, ye were in bondage to them that by nature are no gods: 9 but now that ye have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how turn ye back again to the weak and beggarly rudiments, whereunto ye desire to be in bondage over again?

10 Ye observe days, and months, and seasons, and years.

11 I am afraid of you, lest by any means I have bestowed labor upon you in vain.


So would these prove that Sabbath can be anyday? Also sabbath is a day of rest, you cannot work or go buying things, start a fire. Why would we be under the law again.

Is it a sin not to observe the 7th day Sabbath? It just doesn't seem so from the Bible. Old Covenant is different from New, if you pick and choose from old covenant why not follow the whole law then?

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Col 2:16 you are quoting is actually telling them to not let anyone judge them for actually keeping the Sabbath and Holy days when you look at it in context, as they were new converts to the path in a pagan nation.

As for Gal 4, if they have come to know God according to verse 8, how in the world would verse 9-10 be saying that they are going back into bondage by observing days they never kept in the first place if they used to be pagans. They cant go back to keeps days, they never kept in the first place, as pagan would not have been keeping the Sabbath or Holy Days, so the verse is telling them not to go back to try observing their pagan holidays.

One thing no one has yet to show is where in the New Testament does it show the Sabbath was soon to be abolished, abolsihed, or spoken of as no longer needed, since they were still keeping it after Jesus

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As for Gal 4, if they have come to know God according to verse 8, how in the world would verse 9-10 be saying that they are going back into bondage by observing days they never kept in the first place if they used to be pagans. They cant go back to keeps days, they never kept in the first place, a

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Indeed Gal 4 condemns even one observance of a pagan day.
Romans 14 approves of all observances of Bible holy days in Lev 23.

It is interesting this idea of Sabbath worship. I find it interesting because this is something that the Pharisees repeatedly tried to say Jesus was breaking. From my understanding, the Pharisees had put rules to determine what was considered work and what wasn't, and if they found someone breaking their rules, then that was considered breaking the sabbath. So, when Jesus came and told them that their rules are not God's rules, they got offended and wanted to kill him.
In present time, we have the same thing happening, but on a less malicious way (at least at the moment). People want us to obey the sabbath, because it says in the OT we should obey the sabbath. That was the same scripture that Jesus was dealing with when the Jews were saying He was breaking God law, yet what did Jesus say? The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath. I, personally, think that the sabbath was a grace given by God so we won't work ourselves to death! Especially, back in the day when all labor was manual labor. The greed of employers would cause their employees, or slaves, to work themselves till they couldn't move if they had the choice. So, God knowing all things, gave us this commandment so we can rest from our labor.

The issue came in when people tried to say that under NO circumstances can we do any work on the sabbath. Even if a child was drowning, someone couldn't save the child because swimming could be considered 'fishing'? Now, if God is love, would he rather we obey this rule and let that poor child die, or would he want us to realize that saving a human life takes precedence over a rule that was only made to allow us physical rest? The answer to this question is what Jesus wanted to get through to the Pharisees, but the Pharisees wanted to hold onto their man-made traditions, by doing this, they rejected God's further revelation of truth.

Jesus said it best. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest (rest and sabbath are interchangeable in Bible times).Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light (Matthew 11:28-30). When we 'Come to Jesus', then everyday becomes our Sabbath. Praise God for that!

In peace

UnprofitableServant said:

From my understanding, the Pharisees had put rules to determine what was considered work and what wasn't, and if they found someone breaking their rules, then that was considered breaking the sabbath.

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Thanks for your post.
The most basic violation of Sabbath law was work on the Sabbath day. What did Jesus admit about that?

John 5:16-18
So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

JohnB445 said:

Are Christians really required to observe the 7th day

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Yes. It is a commandment of God's Holy Spiritual Law, Exodus 20:1-17; John 14:15; Exodus 20:6, see Isaiah 56:1,8; John 10:16; Isaiah 56:2-7, etc.

JohnB445 said:

or else they take the mark of the beast as some SDA claim?

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The 'mark' of the 'beast' (aka, 'child of the papacy' (woman (church) & beast (state) amalgamation produce the, N.S.L.), is not in force ('cause'; Revelation 13:15-16) yet. The law will come through a popular demand by the people of the nation, from the 'ecological' ('climate change'), 'economic' (money market, especially block chain), and 'societal' (family values) areas. It is already on its way.

JohnB445 said:

How do you address these verses then?

Colossians 1
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a sabbath day: 17 which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body is Christ's.

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I will assume you meant 'Colossians 2', vs 16-17, for that is what was cited.

To begin with, see - Hebrews Sabbath rest, how do you read it?

liberty of conscience said:

Adding a thought to brother LoveGod'sWord.

It's simple. Prayerfully read:

Joh_7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Pro_4:2 For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law.

Psa 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

The Sabbath of the LORD is separate from the yearly festal sabbaths, as denoted in Leviticus 23 (see Leviticus 23:3; then see Leviticus 23:4,38 "beside the sabbaths of the LORD")

The Sabbath of the LORD thy God, is called "the sabbath of the LORD" (Exodus 20:8-11, etc), and "My sabbaths" (Isaiah 56:4; Ezekiel 20:20), as opposed to theirs, called "your sabbaths" (Leviticus 26:34,35), and "her sabbaths" (Leviticus 26:34,43; 2 Chronicles 26:31; Lamentations 1:7; Hosea 2:11), etc.

There are even commentaries that get this:

Interestingly enough Albert Barnes, a noted Bible Commentator, states on Colossians 2:16, on the word “sabbatwn”:

“... Or of the Sabbath days - Greek, “of the Sabbaths.” The word Sabbath in the Old Testament is applied not only to the seventh day, but to all the days of holy rest that were observed by the Hebrews, and particularly to the beginning and close of their great festivals. There is, doubtless, reference to those days in this place, since the word is used in the plural number, and the apostle does not refer particularly to the Sabbath properly so called. There is no evidence from this passage that he would teach that there was no obligation to observe any holy time, for there is not the slightest reason to believe that he meant to teach that one of the ten commandments had ceased to be binding on mankind. If he had used the word in the singular number - “the Sabbath,” it would then, of course, have been clear that he meant to teach that that commandment had ceased to be binding, and that a Sabbath was no longer to be observed. But the use of the term in the plural number, and the connection, show that he had his eye on the great number of days which were observed by the Hebrews as festivals, as a part of their ceremonial and typical law, and not to the moral law, or the Ten Commandments. No part of the moral law - no one of the ten commandments could be spoken of as “a shadow of good things to come.” These commandments are, from the nature of moral law, of perpetual and universal obligation. ...” - Albert Barnes, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Furthermore, another noted Commentator, Adam Clarke, states on the same passage:

“... There is no intimation here that the Sabbath was done away, or that its moral use was superseded, by the introduction of Christianity. I have shown elsewhere that, Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, is a command of perpetual obligation, and can never be superseded but by the final termination of time. ...” - Adam Clarke, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Even the Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary state:

“... the sabbath — Omit “THE,” which is not in the Greek (compare Note, see on Gal_4:10). “SABBATHS” (not “the sabbaths”) of the day of atonement and feast of tabernacles have come to an end with the Jewish services to which they belonged (Lev_23:32, Lev_23:37-39). The weekly sabbath rests on a more permanent foundation, having been instituted in Paradise to commemorate the completion of creation in six days. Lev_23:38 expressly distinguished “the sabbath of the Lord” from the other sabbaths. A positive precept is right because it is commanded, and ceases to be obligatory when abrogated; a moral precept is commanded eternally, because it is eternally right. If we could keep a perpetual sabbath, as we shall hereafter, the positive precept of the sabbath, one in each week, would not be needed. Heb_4:9, “rests,” Greek, “keeping of sabbath” (Isa_66:23). But we cannot, since even Adam, in innocence, needed one amidst his earthly employments; therefore the sabbath is still needed and is therefore still linked with the other nine commandments, as obligatory in the spirit, though the letter of the law has been superseded by that higher spirit of love which is the essence of law and Gospel alike (Rom_13:8-10). ...” - Jamieson, Fausset and Brown, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

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"Colossians 2 KJB, parallels Ephesians 2 KJB, and Hebrews 9-10 KJB. The language is the same. The "ordinances" in Colossians 2 deals with "shadows", such as the daily "meat and drink" offerings of a worldly sanctuary and carnal ordinances, the seasonal "feast days", the monthly "new moons", and the year based "sabbaths", in the singular, every 7 and 50th years, as Paul is citing Psalms 98:1-3; and Ezekiel 45:17 KJB with other texts.

The Sabbath of the LORD thy God is always called "my [as in God's] sabbaths", and the others in Leviticus 23:4 onward are called "your [the peoples] sabbaths" [Leviticus 26:35 KJB] which are "beside [given in addition to] the sabbaths of the LORD" [Leviticus 23:38 KJB]. The Ten Commandments, including the Sabbath of the 4th Commandment, are "light" [Proverbs 6:23, Isaiah 8:20, 51:4 KJB], never a "shadow", are "spiritual" [Romans 7:14 KJB], never "carnal" [Hebrews 9:10 KJB].

Colossians 2:14 - "ordinances"
Ephesians 2:15 - "law of commandments contained in ordinances"
Hebrews 9:1 - "ordinances of divine service"
Hebrews 9:10 - "carnal ordinances"

Colossians 2:16 - "in meat, or in drink" [offerings]
Hebrews 9:10 - "meats and drinks" [offerings]

Colossians 2:12 - "also ye are risen with him"
Ephesians 2:6 - "raised us up together"

Colossians 2:16 - "a shadow of things to come"
Ephesians 2:7 - "in the ages to come"
Hebrews 9:11 - "of good things to come"
Hebrews 10:1 - "the law having a shadow of good things to come", "those sacrifices", "offered year by year"

[ps. none of the Ten Commandments deal with carnal sacrifices]
It speaks of plural, "sabbath days" (or 'of sabbaths'). The context, is also not concerned with all 'sabbaths' but is limited in scope, to that which is "shadow" (not light, not body or substance), that which is "of things to come" (type pointing to the future events) and of "ordinances", as follows.

[1] The Sabbath of the LORD thy God, of Creation (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11), was given to mankind (Adam) before the sin of mankind (Mark 2:27), before the need of shadow and type, which were given after the sin of mankind, under the Levitical priesthood.

[2] The Sabbath of the LORD the God, is a memorial (pointing backwards, thu the words "Remember" (Exodus 20:8)), to a perfect world without sin, perfect relationship, perfect rest), and is not pointing to the future.

[3] The Sabbath of the LORD thy God, is singular and specific. "The seventh day" "the sabbath" "of the LORD thy God".

Exodus 20:8 KJB - Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exodus 20:9 KJB - Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exodus 20:10 KJB - But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exodus 20:11 KJB - For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exodus 20:8 HOT - זכור את־יום השׁבת לקדשׁו׃
Exodus 20:9 HOT - שׁשׁת ימים תעבד ועשׂית כל־מלאכתך׃
Exodus 20:10 HOT - ויום השׁביעי שׁבת ליהוה אלהיך לא־תעשׂה כל־מלאכה אתה ובנך־ובתך עבדך ואמתך ובהמתך וגרך אשׁר בשׁעריך׃
Exodus 20:11 HOT - כי שׁשׁת־ימים עשׂה יהוה את־השׁמים ואת־הארץ את־הים ואת־כל־אשׁר־בם וינח ביום השׁביעי על־כן ברך יהוה את־יום השׁבת ויקדשׁהו׃

Exodus 20:8 HOT Translit. - zäkhôr et-yôm haSHaBät l'qaD'shô
Exodus 20:9 HOT Translit. - shëshet yämiym Taávod w'äsiytä Käl-m'lakh'Tekhä
Exodus20:10 HOT Translit. -w'yôm haSH'viyiy shaBät layhwäh éloheykhä lo-taáseh khäl-m'läkhäh aTäh ûvin'khä-ûviTekhä av'D'khä waámät'khä ûv'hem'Tekhä w'gër'khä ásher Bish'äreykhä
Exodus 20:11 HOT Translit. - Kiy shëshet-yämiym äsäh y'hwäh et-haSHämayim w'et-hääretz et-haYäm w'et-Käl-ásher-Bäm waYänach BaYôm haSH'viyiy al-Kën Bërakh' y'hwäh et-yôm haSHaBät way'qaD'shëhû š

[4] The Sabbath of the LORD is separate from the yearly festal sabbaths, as denoted in Leviticus 23 (see Leviticus 23:3; then see Leviticus 23:4,38 "beside the sabbaths of the LORD")

[5] The Sabbath of the LORD thy God, is called "the sabbath of the LORD" (Exodus 20:8-11, etc), and "My sabbaths" (Isaiah 56:4; Ezekiel 20:20), as opposed to theirs, called "your sabbaths" (Leviticus 26:34,35), and "her sabbaths" (Leviticus 26:34,43; 2 Chronicles 26:31; Lamentations 1:7; Hosea 2:11), etc.

[6] Colossians 2, in its entire context says nothing about "the seventh day", but speaks of merely the shadow sabbaths (plural, not singular), and says nothing of "commandment" (as Luke 23:54,56 does), but speaks of wordly "ordinances" (Colossians 2:14,20).

[7] Colossians 2, speaks of "sins" (Colossians 2:13), which is "transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4), of which the 4th Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) is central, whereas the yearly (and of years) sabbaths are not given in the Ten Commandments at all.

More can be said, but 7 was a good number to round it off at this point, there is more detail as necessary ..." - cited with edits, as there was an entire well presented study already posted online awhile ago (and I will simply refer to it)- SHADOW LAWS OF THE OLD COVENANT FULFILLED IN THE NEW? COL 2

JohnB445 said:

Galatians 4
8 Howbeit at that time, not knowing God, ye were in bondage to them that by nature are no gods: 9 but now that ye have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how turn ye back again to the weak and beggarly rudiments, whereunto ye desire to be in bondage over again?

10 Ye observe days, and months, and seasons, and years.

11 I am afraid of you, lest by any means I have bestowed labor upon you in vain.

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See: One of the most controversial issues, is the DAY OF WORSHIP

liberty of conscience said:

You might want to check your foot for a hole in it ...

There goes all days whatsoever in one fell swoop, including your 'sunday' and any bother for 'observing' it.

But, just as I said, you do not understand Galatians (which wasn't Ad Hominem, but very obviously fact, from your own statement just now).

I already responded to that counter-productive and contradictory misuse of Galatians 4:10 - here - Hebrews Sabbath rest, how do you read it? (and I quote) :

"Galatians 4 doesn't mention "sabbath" either (in fact, all of Galatians doesn't mention it even once). What it does mention is "days, and months, and times, and years."

BTW, whatever 'translation' (I use that term loosely) you are using the Koine Greek does not say "special days" and it doesn't even say "heorte" (feastal days). It just says "days" "observing":

Gal 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

Gal 4:10 ημερας παρατηρεισθε και μηνας και καιρους και ενιαυτους

The context, of which Paul is citing from is, taking from the OT:

[1] 'days' (daily) meat and drink offerings, oil, etc.

[2] 'months' (monthly new moons)

[3] 'times' (seasons), such as the feasts were held, spring and fall

[4] 'years' (yearly events, such as those things in the feasts that took place only once a year (Leviticus 23), and such as the land rests, Leviticus 25, etc)

It says nothing of the weekly [period]. Even the OT demonstrates this:

Numbers 28:1-31, 29:1-40; 1 Chronicles 23:31; 2 Chronicles 2:4, 8:13, 31:3; Nehemiah 10:33; Isaiah 1:13-14; Ezekiel 45:17, 46:1-11; Hosea 2:11, and see also Galatians 4:10; Colossians 2:16 (tied into Ephesians 2 and Hebrews 9-10)"

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JohnB445 said:

So would these prove that Sabbath can be anyday?

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No. The (definite article, specific) 7th day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God, from Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11. Peter warned about those who wrest Paul, 2 Peter 3:16. He specifically warned.

JohnB445 said:

Also sabbath is a day of rest

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No. It is "the" day of God's rest (sabbath) (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11).

JohnB445 said:

you cannot work

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Depends on how 'work' is being defined here. There is a holy/sacred work in harmony with the commandment being kept holy (like, Jesus healed the sick as the great Physician), and then there is the common/profane labour of the everyday (like, carpentry). Yet, if meant, common/profane labour, correct.

JohnB445 said:

or go buying things

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Thus the day of 'preparation' to do those things.

JohnB445 said:

start a fire.

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Actually it says, "Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day." (Exodus 35:3), and yes, this is still in force, but most do not understand what it says in relation to 1 Corintihans 15:46.

JohnB445 said:

Why would we be under the law again.

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No, the Christian is "under grace", though all (except Jesus) have transgressed God's laws. The Christian is obligated by love to obey God in the commandment, in spirit (heart) and in truth (deed), which can only be brought about by the Holy Ghost, since it is the Holy Ghost that writes that law of God upon the heart, since the law is spiritual to begin with, thus we are "under the law to Christ" (1 Corinthians 9:21).

JohnB445 said:

Is it a sin not to observe the 7th day Sabbath?

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As verily as it is sin to murder, to steal, to worship false gods, etc (Exodus 20:1-17; 1 John 3:4). They are the Ten Commandments. A total (whole) package (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14), since they are the written transcript of God's own character, Exodus 33:12-23, 34:1-9, 20:5-5.

JohnB445 said:

It just doesn't seem so from the Bible.

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Most read too shallow, and listen to men, rather than ask God in humble prayer for the truth and go to His word and search with all.

JohnB445 said:

Old Covenant is different from New

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Surely, no argument, but the 'old covenant' (Exodus 19:8; Hebrews 9:6-9) is not the Ten commandments (Exodus 19:5, 20:1-17), see Romans 3:31; Jeremiah 31:33.

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One of the most controversial issues, is the DAY OF WORSHIP

One of the most controversial issues, is the DAY OF WORSHIP

One of the most controversial issues, is the DAY OF WORSHIP

One of the most controversial issues, is the DAY OF WORSHIP

One of the most controversial issues, is the DAY OF WORSHIP

One of the most controversial issues, is the DAY OF WORSHIP

JohnB445 said:

if you pick and choose from old covenant why not follow the whole law then?

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All of the material in scripture is still valid (2 Timothy 3:16-17), but it is a matter of who, what, where, why, when, and how, see 1 Corinthians 15:46 (see also 1 Corinthians 10).

Those who 'pick and choose' are those who say we need the 9, and throw out one (Exodus 20:8-11), or attempt to change it ,etc. Thy fulfill prophecy:

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Jas_2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

UnprofitableServant said:

It is interesting this idea of Sabbath worship. I find it interesting because this is something that the Pharisees repeatedly tried to say Jesus was breaking. From my understanding, the Pharisees had put rules to determine what was considered work and what wasn't, and if they found someone breaking their rules, then that was considered breaking the sabbath. So, when Jesus came and told them that their rules are not God's rules, they got offended and wanted to kill him.
In present time, we have the same thing happening, but on a less malicious way (at least at the moment). People want us to obey the sabbath, because it says in the OT we should obey the sabbath. That was the same scripture that Jesus was dealing with when the Jews were saying He was breaking God law, yet what did Jesus say? The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath.

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Indeed "Sabbath was made for mankind" is not the same as "Sabbath was deleted for mankind".

In addition as you point out - the Pharisees were making stuff up and Jesus was opposing them by His constant reference to scripture... sola-scriptura disproving their traditions. Which is not the same at all as "go to the OT text and see what it says -- that is what the Pharisees were doing" .

How is this not obvious??

Jesus never said "break the Sabbath commandment just rest in Me instead" nor did he say that of any of God's commandments.

No wonder Paul could say "what matters is keeping God's Commandments" 1 Cor 7:19
Because the saints "keep the Commandments of God and their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

JohnB445 said:

Are Christians really required to observe the 7th day or else they take the mark of the beast as some SDA claim?

How do you address these verses then?

Colossians 1
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a sabbath day: 17 which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body is Christ's.

Galatians 4
8 Howbeit at that time, not knowing God, ye were in bondage to them that by nature are no gods: 9 but now that ye have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how turn ye back again to the weak and beggarly rudiments, whereunto ye desire to be in bondage over again?

10 Ye observe days, and months, and seasons, and years.

11 I am afraid of you, lest by any means I have bestowed labor upon you in vain.


So would these prove that Sabbath can be anyday? Also sabbath is a day of rest, you cannot work or go buying things, start a fire. Why would we be under the law again.

Is it a sin not to observe the 7th day Sabbath? It just doesn't seem so from the Bible. Old Covenant is different from New, if you pick and choose from old covenant why not follow the whole law then?

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In the NT
1. "Sin is transgression of the Law" 1 John 3:4... "still".
2. "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
3. Where the fifth commandment "is the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2 in that Law
4. the saints "keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
5. the Sabbath was "made for mankind" Mark 2:27
6. from "Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23
7. Col 2 is not condemning eating, or drinking or keeping God's memorial of Creation - Sabbath. IT is condemning "making stuff up" as the text explicitly points out.
8. Before the cross - in Matthew 7 Christ also condemned judging others. No change Precross/post-cross
9. Galatians 4 condemns the keeping of even one of the pagan holy days.
10. Romans 14 condemns the idea of opposing someone for keeping any or all of the Lev 23 Bible-approved holy days.

UnprofitableServant said:

Jesus said it best. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest (rest and sabbath are interchangeable in Bible times).Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light (Matthew 11:28-30). When we 'Come to Jesus', then everyday becomes our Sabbath. Praise God for that!

In peace

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It's baffling how the sabbatarians don't get this, but there it is.

JohnB445 said:

Are Christians really required to observe the 7th day or else they take the mark of the beast as some SDA claim?

How do you address these verses then?

Colossians 1
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a sabbath day: 17 which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body is Christ's.

Galatians 4
8 Howbeit at that time, not knowing God, ye were in bondage to them that by nature are no gods: 9 but now that ye have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how turn ye back again to the weak and beggarly rudiments, whereunto ye desire to be in bondage over again?

10 Ye observe days, and months, and seasons, and years.

11 I am afraid of you, lest by any means I have bestowed labor upon you in vain.


So would these prove that Sabbath can be anyday? Also sabbath is a day of rest, you cannot work or go buying things, start a fire. Why would we be under the law again.

Is it a sin not to observe the 7th day Sabbath? It just doesn't seem so from the Bible. Old Covenant is different from New, if you pick and choose from old covenant why not follow the whole law then?

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The Sabbath was a foundation commandment - so much so that the Most High God wrote it on stone for a worldly people that would be impressed by/used record keeping and contracts (the Hebrews). The Hebrews were supposed to understand the magnitude of the Most High God writing commandments on stone tablets. Stones don't wither away; neither should the law on those tablets.

The Redeemer is the Sabbath rest, as in He is the One who will be ruling forever on the 7th day, at the 7th trump, when the 7th vial opens, at the seventh bowl, etc. This is why it is very specific that on the seventh day, you remember the Sabbath and keep it holy. It is founded by the Most High God.


Now, as far as Paul, Peter, Michael the Archangel, or any spirit goes, if they contradict the Word of the Most High God, then they are wrong at best, liars in general, and terribly misguided overall.

That is all I will say.

bekkilyn said:

It's baffling how the sabbatarians don't get this, but there it is.

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The burden was sin (1 John 3:4).

BobRyan said:

Indeed "Sabbath was made for mankind" is not the same as "Sabbath was deleted for mankind".

In addition as you point out - the Pharisees were making stuff up and Jesus was opposing them by His constant reference to scripture... sola-scriptura disproving their traditions. Which is not the same at all as "go to the OT text and see what it says -- that is what the Pharisees were doing" .

How is this not obvious??

Jesus never said "break the Sabbath commandment just rest in Me instead" nor did he say that of any of God's commandments.

No wonder Paul could say "what matters is keeping God's Commandments" 1 Cor 7:19
Because the saints "keep the Commandments of God and their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

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I am not sure I implied to 'break' the Sabbath law; rather I am saying when you are following Jesus, then everyday becomes your Sabbath. Therefore, if you want to rest on any given day, then you have the freedom to do so. If you want to do good works on any given day, then you have the freedom to do so. Jesus' burden truly is easy, and His yoke is light.

In peace

UnprofitableServant said:

I am not sure I implied to 'break' the Sabbath law; rather I am saying when you are following Jesus, then everyday becomes your Sabbath. Therefore, if you want to rest on any given day, then you have the freedom to do so. If you want to do good works on any given day, then you have the freedom to do so. Jesus' burden truly is easy, and His yoke is light.

In peace

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Every day can’t be the Sabbath. The 7th day is the Sabbath. Jesus kept the Sabbath and taught his folllwers to live like him. He never taught anybody that he was the Sabbath, nor that every day is the Sabbath if you follow him.

Dkh587 said:

Every day can’t be the Sabbath. The 7th day is the Sabbath. Jesus kept the Sabbath and taught his folllwers to live like him. He never taught anybody that he was the Sabbath, nor that every day is the Sabbath if you follow him.

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Right, because the sabbath is a "day", as per scripture:

"sabbath day":

Exodus 20:8,11, 31:15, 35:3; Numbers 15:32, 28:9; Deuteronomy 5:12,15; Nehemiah 10:31, 13:15,17,19,22; Psalms 92:1; Jeremiah 17:21,22,24,27; Ezekiel 46:4,12; Matthew 12:1,2,8,11, 24:20; Mark 1:21, 2:23,24, 3:2, 6:2; Luke 4:16, 6:7, 13:14,16, 14:1,3,5, 23:56; John 5:10,16, 7:22,23, 9:14,16, 19:31; Acts 1:12, 13:14,27,44, 15:21

specifically it is:

"the seventh day":

Genesis 2:2,3; Exodus 16:26,27,29,30, 20:10,11, 23:12, 31:17, 34:21, 35:2; Deuteronomy 5:14; Hebrews 4:4

This "day" is defined by scripture.

If every 'day" were the sabbath, as they say of themselves (ie they have no scripture for their claim, only vain repetition of their personal subjective claim), there would be no need for the numeration, "the seventh" out of the seven days of the created week (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:11).

If the "sabbath" were indeed a person (it isn't and there is no scripture for this either, but only a subjective and personal mantra repeated because their 'pastor' told them so), it would have the pronouns properly associated with it (he, him, sir, masculine form, etc), and it would not also have a verb form (to cease, rest), for there is no real natural use (only a slang use) of a person being used as a verb.

ewq1938 said:

The original Sabbath was a day but the fulfilled Sabbath is Jesus within us giving us spiritual rest and that is not just a mere day. It is everyday, for the length of ones life and then for eternity onward forever.

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Hello brother ewq1938,

There is no scriptures in all of God's WORD that says that JESUS is the Sabbath. God's WORD says that God's Sabbath is the SEVENTH DAY of the week and it is one of the 10 commandments *EXODUS 20:8-11. God blessed the SEVENTH DAY in the creation week and made it holy *GENESIS 2:1-3. JESUS is the LORD and creator of the SABBATH day that he made for all mankind *MARK 2:27-28; MATTHEW 12:8. None enter into God's rest (SEVENTH DAY SABBATH) while not believing and following God's WORD and continuiung in sin. *HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Detailed study on HEBREWS 4 here click me.

Hope this helps.