GOD'S WORD vs TRADITIONS OF MEN; Sabbath vs Sunday

LoveGodsWord · Dec 16, 2018

Cribstyl said:
If you understood that Jesus commandments are only 2 commandments. #1 Love God and #2 Love your neighbor. By loving your neighbor you're sharing and caring, not stealing and killing.
You fail to understand that SHARING AND CARING FULFILLS THE LAW. Calling it lawlessness shows ignorance. We don't mind the law because we are called to higher ideals. SIN is never an option for Christians.

How can you separate LOVE from God's LAW when LOVE is the very fulfilling of it through faith? This goes against the teachings of the scriptures *MATTHEW 22:36-40; ROMANS 13:8-10; JAMES 2:8-11.

LoveGodsWord · Dec 16, 2018

Hello brother Chribstyl nice to see you and thanks for posting your thoughts. Some comments provided below for your consideration.

Cribstyl said:
Hmmm??? Disagree in part. It is true that the first Christians were of the Children of Israel. This fulfills that God prophesied to give Israel a new Covenant).(True or False?)

If your interested in a detailed study of the scriptures on who God's ISRAEL are in the NEW COVENANT this one is still active here click me (see post # 2, 3 and 4).

Cribstyl said:
It is also the fact that the majority of Israel rejected the gospel and killed the Christ. (True or False? If false, explain).

Who said it was the majority at that time that rejected Christ. God's WORD says great multitudes of ISRAEL believed and followed Christ *MATTHEW 8:1.

The ISRAELITE leaders even proclaimed among themselves...

JOHN 12:19 The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive you how you prevail nothing? BEHOLD THE WHOLE WORLD IS GONE AFTER HIM.

It was most of the leadership of ISRAEL that rejected Christ not all the people of ISRAEL. This is why it is written in ROMANS that SOME of the branches were broken off.

ROMANS 11:17 If SOME OF THE BRANCHES WERE BROKEN OFF, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them partake of the root and fatness of the olive tree

The Root here represents Christ, the Gentiles being grafted in among them represents the Gentiles being grafted in among the BELIEVERS of ISRAEL. Those branches that were broken off represent the UNBELIEVERS in ISREAL.

Cribstyl said:
So, it should be understood that of Israel, some branches were broken off from the root. It is also understood that the Gentile were wild branches that were grafted into the root. (True or False? If false, explain)

Rom 11:19 - You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.”
Rom 11:23 - And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

Branches are not broken off from the rook they are broken off from the tree or vine. The branches receive their nourishment from the root. The root represents Christ. The Gentiles being grafted in AMONG THEM means that those branches that were broken off (UNBELIEVING ISRAEL) made way for the GENTILES to be grafted in with BELIEVING ISRAEL to become a part of God's ISRAEL.

ROMANS 11:17 If SOME OF THE BRANCHES WERE BROKEN OFF (UNBELIEVING ISRAEL), and you, being a wild olive tree, were GRAFTED IN AMONG THEM (BELIEVING ISRAEL), and WITH THEM (BELIEVING ISRAEL) partake of the root (CHRIST) and fatness of the olive tree

Cribstyl said:
Disagree. Gentiles are grafted into THE ROOT not the broken off branches.

You have no reason to disagree no one said that gentiles are grafted into the branches. Gentiles are grafted in AMONG THEM (BELIEVING ISRAEL) to partake of the ROOT which represents Christ v17-20

Hope this helps and clears up your misunderstanding. I have never said that Gentiles are grafted into the branches.

Cribstyl · Dec 16, 2018

BobRyan said:
The "detail" you just skipped is that covenants are "agreements" - and the LAW is the same but the Covenant is different.

A covenant is much more than an agreement.
We're not in agreement on this Bob. The Old covenant is the law that came by Moses. The New Covenant came through the death of Jesus Christ.

Thus under BOTH Old and New Covenant - is still a "sin to take God's name in vain".

But in the New Covenant we have forgiveness and we have THAT LAW written on the heart.

Jer 31:32 - “not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them,[fn] says the LORD

Did not say "not according to the LAW given against taking God's name in vain" as some have "imagined".

It says 'not according to the agrement' not according to the conditions and agreement.

God is not saying "it is now ok to take God's name in vain...not sure why I ever had that as a command in the first place" as even you will admit.

It is the SAME LAW (moral law of God) and must be so according to exegesis because it is Jeremiah himself "using the term" and writing to his contemporaries.

This is irrefutable.

Scriptures show that Old the covenant is "The 10 Commandments". Here's proof. Exo 34:28

Exo 34:28 - And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

The commandment "Thou shalt not take God's name in vain", started when God said don't do it in the law. The commandment to love God with all your heart, also implies not taking God's name in vain under the new covenant.
What we disagree on is, whether the Sabbath commandment is a moral law that continues in the New Covenant. The fact is "NO" it is not mentioned as being required. The fact that it was a sign of the Old Covenant is why it's not required.

LoveGodsWord · Dec 16, 2018

Cribstyl said:
A covenant is much more than an agreement.
We're not in agreement on this Bob. The Old covenant is the law that came by Moses. The New Covenant came through the death of Jesus Christ. Scriptures show that Old the covenant is "The 10 Commandments". Here's proof. Exo 34:28

Exo 34:28 - And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

The commandment "Thou shalt not take God's name in vain", started when God said don't do it in the law. The commandment to love God with all your heart, also implies not taking God's name in vain under the new covenant.
What we disagree on is, whether the Sabbath commandment is a moral law that continues in the New Covenant. The fact is "NO" it is not mentioned as being required. The fact that it was a sign of the Old Covenant is why it's not required.

Actually brother you do know that there is much more to the OLD COVENANT than just the 10 commandments right? Your only telling half the story. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand and know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to? Happy to discuss this with you and share the scriptures if you have some time and you have some interest?

God bless.

sparow · Dec 16, 2018

Cribstyl said:
If you understood that Jesus commandments are only 2 commandments. #1 Love God and #2 Love your neighbor. By loving your neighbor you're sharing and caring, not stealing and killing.
You fail to understand that SHARING AND CARING FULFILLS THE LAW. Calling it lawlessness shows ignorance. We don't mind the law because we are called to higher ideals. SIN is never an option for Christians.

I believe you disagree with Jesus; Jesus said all the Law hangs on these two great commandments; you say the two great commandments replace the Law and have nothing hanging on them.

Matthew 22:40 (NKJV)
40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

The two great commandments are from the old testament and are compatible with the Law and the Prophets. If you are familiar with abstracts that precede engineering documents; the abstract is a one paragraph overview of what follows; a structure in which to interpret what follows. The Ten Commandments are an abstract of the Law and the Prophets and the two great commandments are an abstract of the Ten Commandments.

Isaiah 4:1 (NKJV)
1 And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, "We will eat our own food and wear our own apparel; Only let us be called by your name, To take away our reproach."

This is a dual prophesy and is also for our time. All the churches will take hold of one man (Christ), and say, "We will eat our own food and wear our own apparel; Only let us be called by your name, To take away our reproach." Own food is doctrines of men and own apparel is fictitious covenant.

Matthew 22:11-14 (NKJV)
11 But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment.
12 So he said to him, 'Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?' And he was speechless.
13 Then the king said to the servants, 'Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
14 For many are called, but few are chosen."

The Pharisees, without changing a word of scripture, turned the Law up side down; theirs was wrong administration and wrong application.

Cribstyl · Dec 16, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
How can you separate LOVE from God's LAW when LOVE is the very fulfilling of it through faith?

You're joking right? Post the scripture that says that Love is fulfilling the law by faith. Your commentary contradicts what the scriptures teach about the law.
Rom 3:28 - Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom 4:14 - For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
Rom 4:16 - Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Gal 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3:11 - But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Gal 3:12 - And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Phl 3:9 - And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

This goes against the teachings of the scriptures *MATTHEW 22:36-40; ROMANS 13:8-10; JAMES 2:8-11.

The law is not about love, it's about death.
The law is a letter of condemnation.
The law promises death if you fail to keep 1 of it's commandment you've earned the death penalty. You wont see love when you're judged by it.
Gal 3:21 - Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. (If 1 of the commandments in the law promised life then keeping the law could result in righteousness.)

LoveGodsWord · Dec 16, 2018

Cribstyl said:
You're joking right? Post the scripture that says that Love is fulfilling the law by faith. Your commentary contradicts what the scriptures teach about the law.
Rom 3:28 - Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom 4:14 - For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
Rom 4:16 - Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Gal 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3:11 - But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Gal 3:12 - And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Phl 3:9 - And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

The law is not about love, it's about death.
The law is a letter of condemnation.
The law promises death if you fail to keep 1 of it's commandment you've earned the death penalty. You wont see love when you're judged by it.
The law is not about love, it's about death.
The law is a letter of condemnation.
The law promises death if you fail to keep 1 of it's commandment you've earned the death penalty. You wont see love when you're judged by it.
Gal 3:21-Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid:
for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. (If 1 of the commandments in the law promised life then keeping the law could result in righteousness.)

No brother, why would I be joking. If God's LAW is not establsihed in your life you do not have living faith and need to be Born again *1 JOHN 3:3-10; 1 JOHN 2:1-4; JOHN 3:3-8; JAMES 2:18-20; 26.

We are not saved by keeping the law. Obedience to God's LAW is the very expression of what LOVE is as we have faith in God's WORD *EPHESIANS 2:8; ROMANS 3:31 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me keep my commandments *JOHN 14:15. It is faith the works by LOVE that fulfills God's LAW in those who are born again *ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; ROMANS 3:31.

Let's have a look at the scriptures in detail brother...

LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF GOD’S LAW

You cannot separate God’s Law of love from the 10 commandments because they are connected to each other. There is no need for confusion here. God’s Word makes it very clear.

I think you miss the point of LOVE and how you cannot separate LOVE from OBEDIENCE to God's LAW because God's 10 Commandments are the very expression of what LOVE is.

* If you LOVE your neighbore will you steal from them?
* If you LOVE your neighbore will you lie to them?
* If you LOVE your neighbore will you kill them?

etc etc...

*If you LOVE God will you have other God's?
*If you LOVE God will you make other God's and bow down to them?
*If you LOVE God will you use his name in vain?
*If you LOVE God will you choose to not remember the SEVENTH DAY to keep it Holy?

We can go through all the 10 Commandments which are our duty of LOVE to GOD and our fellow man.

Let's look at the scriptures...

What does Jesus say when he talks about the commandments and love? Jesus is quoting from Old testament scriptures of Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18.
in MATTHEW let's have a look...

MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36], Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
[40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

Se brother JESUS does not separate LOVE to GOD and man from God's 10 commandments. He says on these two great commandments of LOVE hang all the law and the prophets. Let's get clearer...

MATTHEW 19:16-21
[16], And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17], And he said unto him, Why call thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: BUT IF YOU WILL ENTER INTO LIFE KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.
[18], He saith unto him, WHICH? JESUS SAID, THOU SHALT NOT MURDER, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, HONOR YOU MOTHER AND FATHER AND THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF
[20], The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

[21], Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. <Jesus showed him that he may have fulfilled His duty of love to his neighbor but not to God breaking commandment 1 and 2 loving riches more than God>

Well Jesus makes it very clear that what he is talking about it is the 10 commandments of God's Law.

What about James...

JAMES 2:8-12
[8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF, ye do well:
[9], But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
[10], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE SHALL BE GUILTY OF ALL.
[11], FOR HE THAT SAID, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY SAID ALSO DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY AND YOU KILL, YOU HAVE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW.
[12], So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Well James makes it very clear what he is talking about when he talks about the Royal Law of love. He is talking about the 10 commandments. So Jesus and James both agree that they are talking about God's 10 commandments which also include the 4th commandment which is one of the ten.

What about Paul?

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW.
[9], For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly summed up in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

Paul makes it very clear what he is talking about as well when he is talking about God's Law. It seems like Jesus, James and Paul all agree together what it is they are referring to when talking about LOVE and God's Law. They are all referring to God's 10 commandments which includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:1-17). LOVE cannot be separated from God's 10 commandments because LOVE is expressed through them as we have faith in God's WORD to save us from our sins as we walk in His Spirit *GALATIANS 5:16

What your missing here and not seeing is the NEW COVENANT promise of LOVE written in the heart which reads this way...

HEBREWS 8:10-12
[10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, said the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
[11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
[12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

We need to be BORN again to LOVE brother in order to receive the NEW COVENANT promise walk in God's LAW which is the very expression of what LOVE is. This is why JESUS says...

JOHN 3:3-8
[3], Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
[4], Nicodemus said to him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
[5], Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[6], That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

NOTE: what PAUL says that ties in nicely with what JESUS is teaching here about why we will not see the kingdom of Heaven if we live in the flesh (carnal mind; sinful human nature) in ROMANS 8:13 For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.

[7], Marvel not that I said to you, You must be born again.
[8], The wind blows where it wants, and you hear the sound thereof, but can not tell from where it comes, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Now brother the question is why do we need to be Born again in the Spirit? As partly answered in ROMANS 8:13 above, if we live in the flesh (carnal mind; sinful human nature) we will die because the wages of sin is death to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

Let's look at what it means to be Born again and to walk in God's Spirit and the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil...

1 JOHN 3:3-10
[3], And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
[4], Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
[5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6], Whoever abides in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.

NOTE: how v6 ties in with 1 JOHN 2:1-4.

[7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

NOTE: What is JESUS coming to destroy? The works of the devil which is sin v8

[9], Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

NOTE: If we are BORN of GOD we are not practicing sin. WHY? because God's seed remains in us through faith. This is abiding in him and not sinning (known sin). What is the seed that needs to abide in us so we do not sin? *LUKE 8:11 Now this is the parable the seed is the Word of God.

[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil (Not sinning and committing sin): whoever does not righteousness is not of God (PSALMS 119:172 All my commandments are righteousness), neither he that loves not his brother.

Can you see brother you cannot separate LOVE from God's LAW?

God's 10 commandments are the very expression of what God's LOVE is. We are not saved by keeping God's LAW we are saved by faith in God's WORD as LOVE is expressed through us *EPHESIANS 2:8. Walking in the Spirit brings the fruit of faith which is LOVE and OBEDIENCE to God's LAW *GALATIONS 5:16; ROMANS 8:1-4; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10.

Hope this helps.

Cribstyl · Dec 16, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello brother Chribstyl nice to see you and thanks for posting your thoughts. Some comments provided below for your consideration.

If your interested in a detailed study of the scriptures on who God's ISRAEL are in the NEW COVENANT this one is still active here click me (see post # 2, 3 and 4).

Hmm, you call me brother and you ask many questions. I respond to your posts and you fail to mutually address my questions.
You will probably insult me as you have in the past (that's why I took a timeout.)
So unless you address my 3 yes or no questions....this is my last dialog with you.

Who said it was the majority at that time that rejected Christ. God's WORD says great multitudes of ISRAEL believed and followed Christ *MATTHEW 8:1.

The ISRAELITE leaders even proclaimed among themselves...

JOHN 12:19 The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive you how you prevail nothing? BEHOLD THE WHOLE WORLD IS GONE AFTER HIM.

It was most of the leadership of ISRAEL that rejected Christ not all the people of ISRAEL.

The text said;
Mat 8:1 - When he was come down from the mountain, great multitudes followed him.
Your commentary is shamelessly false. Where does it say as you say above that great multitude believed on Him? It just said they followed Him.

Here is what truthful texts on the issue looks like.
Jhn 1:11 - He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
(that's why I can say majority)
Act 3:14 - But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

Act 13:46 - Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

This is why it is written in ROMANS that SOME of the branches were broken off.

ROMANS 11:17 If SOME OF THE BRANCHES WERE BROKEN OFF, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them partake of the root and fatness of the olive tree

The Root here represents Christ, the Gentiles being grafted in among them represents the Gentiles being grafted in among the BELIEVERS of ISRAEL. Those branches that were broken off represent the UNBELIEVERS in ISREAL.

Branches are not broken off from the rook they are broken off from the tree or vine. The branches receive their nourishment from the root. The root represents Christ. The Gentiles being grafted in AMONG THEM means that those branches that were broken off (UNBELIEVING ISRAEL) made way for the GENTILES to be grafted in with BELIEVING ISRAEL to become a part of God's ISRAEL.

ROMANS 11:17 If SOME OF THE BRANCHES WERE BROKEN OFF (UNBELIEVING ISRAEL), and you, being a wild olive tree, were GRAFTED IN AMONG THEM (BELIEVING ISRAEL), and WITH THEM (BELIEVING ISRAEL) partake of the root (CHRIST) and fatness of the olive tree

You have no reason to disagree no one said that gentiles are grafted into the branches. Gentiles are grafted in AMONG THEM (BELIEVING ISRAEL) to partake of the ROOT which represents Christ v17-20

Hope this helps and clears up your misunderstanding. I have never said that Gentiles are grafted into the branches.

In Rom 11 Paul asks the question" did God throw away His people Israel?" The answer is, He left a remnant (7000). So, God blinded the eyes of the majority so the Gentiles could come in. Rom 11:8 - (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day. Hope this helps and clears up your misunderstanding.

In the PINK above you said " the GENTILES to be grafted in with BELIEVING ISRAEL to become a part of God's ISRAEL." My argument is The bible does not teach anywhere that Gentiles are grafted into Israel. .......See how I address your posts????
I will wait on your response to my 3Q before I go any further. Blessings.

ace of hearts · Dec 16, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
I never ignored them I showed you that your interpretation of these passages disagree with JESUS, PAUL, JOHN, PETER and JAMES. Click me here linked. There is a lot of scripture posted in the link above I suggest you read it. It is you who is ignoring the scriptures in the link. You did not read them did you?

Yes I read the post you linked. So what are you hoping for? some long rebuttal you may find a flaw in to discredit. Since you refuse to listen there is no value in doing that.

ace of hearts · Dec 16, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
No brother, why would I be joking. If God's LAW is not establsihed in your life you do not have living faith and need to be Born again *1 JOHN 3:3-10; 1 JOHN 2:1-4; JOHN 3:3-8; JAMES 2:18-20; 26.

You're clearly saying here one must keep the law to be born again. There's nothing in Scripture that will support that.

We are not saved by keeping the law.

You really need to read what you wrote above. The rest of your post has been responded to several times.

ace of hearts · Dec 16, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Actually brother you do know that there is much more to the OLD COVENANT than just the 10 commandments right? Your only telling half the story. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand and know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to? Happy to discuss this with you and share the scriptures if you have some time and you have some interest?

God bless.

You're not talking to ignorant people here LGW. We've read the complete OT. You still haven't told us what you think we don't know.

ace of hearts · Dec 16, 2018

Cribstyl said:
You're joking right? Post the scripture that says that Love is fulfilling the law by faith. Your commentary contradicts what the scriptures teach about the law.
Rom 3:28 - Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom 4:14 - For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
Rom 4:16 - Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Gal 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3:11 - But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Gal 3:12 - And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Phl 3:9 - And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

The law is not about love, it's about death.
The law is a letter of condemnation.
The law promises death if you fail to keep 1 of it's commandment you've earned the death penalty. You wont see love when you're judged by it.
Gal 3:21 - Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. (If 1 of the commandments in the law promised life then keeping the law could result in righteousness.)

Worth reposting to be read again.

LoveGodsWord · Dec 16, 2018

ace of hearts said:
Worth reposting to be read again.

Thanks..

No brother, why would I be joking. If God's LAW is not establsihed in your life you do not have living faith and need to be Born again *1 JOHN 3:3-10; 1 JOHN 2:1-4; JOHN 3:3-8; JAMES 2:18-20; 26.

We are not saved by keeping the law. Obedience to God's LAW is the very expression of what LOVE is as we have faith in God's WORD *EPHESIANS 2:8; ROMANS 3:31 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me keep my commandments *JOHN 14:15. It is faith the works by LOVE that fulfills God's LAW in those who are born again *ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; ROMANS 3:31.

Let's have a look at the scriptures in detail brother...

LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF GOD’S LAW

You cannot separate God’s Law of love from the 10 commandments because they are connected to each other. There is no need for confusion here. God’s Word makes it very clear.

I think you miss the point of LOVE and how you cannot separate LOVE from OBEDIENCE to God's LAW because God's 10 Commandments are the very expression of what LOVE is.

* If you LOVE your neighbore will you steal from them?
* If you LOVE your neighbore will you lie to them?
* If you LOVE your neighbore will you kill them?

etc etc...

*If you LOVE God will you have other God's?
*If you LOVE God will you make other God's and bow down to them?
*If you LOVE God will you use his name in vain?
*If you LOVE God will you choose to not remember the SEVENTH DAY to keep it Holy?

We can go through all the 10 Commandments which are our duty of LOVE to GOD and our fellow man.

Let's look at the scriptures...

What does Jesus say when he talks about the commandments and love? Jesus is quoting from Old testament scriptures of Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18.
in MATTHEW let's have a look...

MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36], Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
[40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

Se brother JESUS does not separate LOVE to GOD and man from God's 10 commandments. He says on these two great commandments of LOVE hang all the law and the prophets. Let's get clearer...

MATTHEW 19:16-21
[16], And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17], And he said unto him, Why call thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: BUT IF YOU WILL ENTER INTO LIFE KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.
[18], He saith unto him, WHICH? JESUS SAID, THOU SHALT NOT MURDER, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, HONOR YOU MOTHER AND FATHER AND THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF
[20], The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

[21], Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. <Jesus showed him that he may have fulfilled His duty of love to his neighbor but not to God breaking commandment 1 and 2 loving riches more than God>

Well Jesus makes it very clear that what he is talking about it is the 10 commandments of God's Law.

What about James...

JAMES 2:8-12
[8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF, ye do well:
[9], But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
[10], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE SHALL BE GUILTY OF ALL.
[11], FOR HE THAT SAID, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY SAID ALSO DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY AND YOU KILL, YOU HAVE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW.
[12], So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Well James makes it very clear what he is talking about when he talks about the Royal Law of love. He is talking about the 10 commandments. So Jesus and James both agree that they are talking about God's 10 commandments which also include the 4th commandment which is one of the ten.

What about Paul?

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW.
[9], For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly summed up in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

Paul makes it very clear what he is talking about as well when he is talking about God's Law. It seems like Jesus, James and Paul all agree together what it is they are referring to when talking about LOVE and God's Law. They are all referring to God's 10 commandments which includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:1-17). LOVE cannot be separated from God's 10 commandments because LOVE is expressed through them as we have faith in God's WORD to save us from our sins as we walk in His Spirit *GALATIANS 5:16

What your missing here and not seeing is the NEW COVENANT promise of LOVE written in the heart which reads this way...

HEBREWS 8:10-12
[10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, said the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
[11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
[12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

We need to be BORN again to LOVE brother in order to receive the NEW COVENANT promise walk in God's LAW which is the very expression of what LOVE is. This is why JESUS says...

JOHN 3:3-8
[3], Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
[4], Nicodemus said to him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
[5], Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[6], That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

NOTE: what PAUL says that ties in nicely with what JESUS is teaching here about why we will not see the kingdom of Heaven if we live in the flesh (carnal mind; sinful human nature) in ROMANS 8:13 For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.

[7], Marvel not that I said to you, You must be born again.
[8], The wind blows where it wants, and you hear the sound thereof, but can not tell from where it comes, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Now brother the question is why do we need to be Born again in the Spirit? As partly answered in ROMANS 8:13 above, if we live in the flesh (carnal mind; sinful human nature) we will die because the wages of sin is death to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

Let's look at what it means to be Born again and to walk in God's Spirit and the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil...

1 JOHN 3:3-10
[3], And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
[4], Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
[5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6], Whoever abides in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.

NOTE: how v6 ties in with 1 JOHN 2:1-4.

[7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

NOTE: What is JESUS coming to destroy? The works of the devil which is sin v8

[9], Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

NOTE: If we are BORN of GOD we are not practicing sin. WHY? because God's seed remains in us through faith. This is abiding in him and not sinning (known sin). What is the seed that needs to abide in us so we do not sin? *LUKE 8:11 Now this is the parable the seed is the Word of God.

[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil (Not sinning and committing sin): whoever does not righteousness is not of God (PSALMS 119:172 All my commandments are righteousness), neither he that loves not his brother.

Can you see brother you cannot separate LOVE from God's LAW?

God's 10 commandments are the very expression of what God's LOVE is. We are not saved by keeping God's LAW we are saved by faith in God's WORD as LOVE is expressed through us *EPHESIANS 2:8. Walking in the Spirit brings the fruit of faith which is LOVE and OBEDIENCE to God's LAW *GALATIONS 5:16; ROMANS 8:1-4; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 13:8-10.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.

Hope this helps.

LoveGodsWord · Dec 16, 2018

Cribstyl said:
Hmm, you call me brother and you ask many questions. I respond to your posts and you fail to mutually address my questions.

Well that has no truth in it brother I have addressed your posts and your questions in much detail with God's WORD. What questions do you believe I have not addressed and let's discuss them and talk God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.

Cribstyl said:
You will probably insult me as you have in the past (that's why I took a timeout.) So unless you address my 3 yes or no questions....this is my last dialog with you.

Insult you? Please brother provide a single post where I have ever insulted you. If you cannot why make claims that I have? This is sad for you to do so. I have answered your questions with more than a simple yes and no I have provided detailed resonses to all of your questions with God's WORD. It is God's WORD that answers your questions and we should believe God's WORD over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4.

I notice also brother it is not me ignoring your posts I have written and replied to your posts with God's WORD section by section and scripture by scripture, most of which you have simply not responded to or chosen to ignore. I am not sure which one. If you do not wish to discuss the scriptures with me just say so. No need to try and make up excuses for not discussing God's WORD. You are free to believe as you wish because your salvation is between you and God.

Cribstyl said:
The text said; Mat 8:1 - When he was come down from the mountain, great multitudes followed him. Your commentary is shamelessly false. Where does it say as you say above that great multitude believed on Him? It just said they followed Him.

So brother your interpretation of the scripture is that a great multitude was simply following JESUS around the place for no reason and none of them believed him when he taught them? Why was there a great multitude following JESUS? Is your argument here that none of the JEWS accepted JESUS as the MESSIAH? You leave out the other supporting scriptures and the context of what I posted to you this makes what you have posted here in my view as you say in your words shamelessly false. This is sad for you. Here let me add what I have posted to you in whole for others to draw their own conclusions. Posted earlier to you...

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LGW posted: The ISRAELITE leaders even proclaimed among themselves...

JOHN 12:19 The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive you how you prevail nothing? BEHOLD THE WHOLE WORLD IS GONE AFTER HIM.

It was most of the leadership of ISRAEL that rejected Christ not all the people of ISRAEL. This is why it is written in ROMANS that SOME of the branches were broken off.

ROMANS 11:17 If SOME OF THE BRANCHES WERE BROKEN OFF, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them partake of the root and fatness of the olive tree

The Root here represents Christ, the Gentiles being grafted in among them represents the Gentiles being grafted in among the BELIEVERS of ISRAEL. Those branches that were broken off represent the UNBELIEVERS in ISREAL.

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When you add the context of what was posted to you brother it does not exactly say what your trying to make it say now does it?

Cribstyl said:
Here is what truthful texts on the issue looks like. Jhn 1:11 - He came unto his own, and his own received him not. (that's why I can say majority) Act 3:14 - But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

Firstly brother let's clear up any misunderstandings. I am not arguing that the majority of the JEWS accepted Christ. The scriptures I have posted earlier were only to show that many of the JEWS believed and followed him. So please there is no need to make false allegations. If the leaders of ISRAEL say in God's WORD speaking of ISRAEL...

JOHN 12:19 The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, Perceive you how you prevail nothing? BEHOLD THE WHOLE WORLD IS GONE AFTER HIM.

I believe it do you? We can see all through the Gospels and the book of ACTS that many of ISRAEL and the JEWS believed and followed JESUS and accepted him as the promised MESSIAH. Did you wish me to post more of the scriptures? Let me know as I am happy to do so?

Cribstyl said:
Act 13:46 - Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

This only says that there were JEWS that did not BELIEVE God's WORD. You think I am disagreeing with the scripture why when I have already posted in ROMANS 11 that some of the the branches that were broken off were UNBELIEVING ISRAEL? I have never said that there was not UNBELIEVING JEWS as there would not have been any branches broken off in ROMANS 11.

Cribstyl said:
In Rom 11 Paul asks the question" did God throw away His people Israel?" The answer is, He left a remnant (7000).

You do know here brother you are misapplying the scriptures. PAUL is quoting from the days of ELIJAH. Here is the rest of the scriptures you left out.

ROMANS 11:1-4
[1], I say then, Has God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
[2], God has not cast away his people which he foreknew. Know you not what the scripture said of Elias? how he makes intercession to God against Israel saying,
[3], Lord, they have killed your prophets, and dig down your altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
[4], But what said the answer of God to him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

PAUL is quoting from 1 KINGS 19:10-18. He is not saying that only 7000 of the JEWS accepted Christ in the NEW COVENANT.

Cribstyl said:
So, God blinded the eyes of the majority so the Gentiles could come in. Rom 11:8 - (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day. Hope this helps and clears up your misunderstanding.

The scripture says...

ROMANS 8:7-12
[7], What then? Israel has not obtained that which he seeks for; but the election has obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

NOTE: The election has obtained it. Who are the elected? Those who BELIEVED God's WORD, The rest were blinded in UNBELIEF. This is demonstrated in v19-20; 23

[8], According as it is written, God has given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear to this day.
[9], And David said, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumbling block, and a recompense to them:
[10], Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back always.
[11], I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come to the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
[12], Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fullness?

NOTE: Time for the Gospel to go to the world.

Cribstyl said:
In the PINK above you said " the GENTILES to be grafted in with BELIEVING ISRAEL to become a part of God's ISRAEL." My argument is The bible does not teach anywhere that Gentiles are grafted into Israel. .......See how I address your posts????
I will wait on your response to my 3Q before I go any further. Blessings.

Your argument here brother is simply dishonest or a misunderstanding taking something I have quoted out of CONTEXT. The quote you highlight here is saying that GENTILES are grafted in with ISRAEL to the ROOT which is Christ. This was made very clear as the whole post was showing that the GENTILES were grafted in AMONG ISRAEL. Here let's add the rest of the quote you left out. It does not say what you are trying to make it say...

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LGW posted: Branches are not broken off from the root they are broken off from the tree or vine. The branches receive their nourishment from the root. The root represents Christ. The Gentiles being grafted in AMONG THEM means that those branches that were broken off (UNBELIEVING ISRAEL) made way for the GENTILES to be grafted in with BELIEVING ISRAEL to become a part of God's ISRAEL.

ROMANS 11:17 If SOME OF THE BRANCHES WERE BROKEN OFF (UNBELIEVING ISRAEL), and you, being a wild olive tree, were GRAFTED IN AMONG THEM (BELIEVING ISRAEL), and WITH THEM (BELIEVING ISRAEL) partake of the root (CHRIST) and fatness of the olive tree.

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Please brother don't take my posts out of context and pretend they are saying something they are not. If you have misread something I have posted it should be cleared up now. So how about addressing all the posts and the scriptures I have provided in this and my other posts you have ignored so far?

I have responded to all your posts and questions and scriptures section by section and scripture by scripture. If you wish to have a discussion in God's WORD I hope you can do the same. If you do not wish to talk God's WORD with me just say so. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it magically dissappear. We will all be held accountable to God's WORD come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Hope this helps.

LoveGodsWord · Dec 16, 2018

ace of hearts said:
You're clearly saying here one must keep the law to be born again. There's nothing in Scripture that will support that.You really need to read what you wrote above. The rest of your post has been responded to several times.

Nope not at all. You must accept JESUS as your personal LORD of your life and Saviour and BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If you are living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN (breaking God's Commandments) are you accepting JESUS (the WORD) as your personal LORD of your life and Saviour from sin? If your living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN are you following God's WORD? Yep many are going to be dissapointed come judgment day *MATTHEW 7:12-23; HEBREWS 10:26-27

LoveGodsWord · Dec 16, 2018

ace of hearts said:
You're not talking to ignorant people here LGW. We've read the complete OT. You still haven't told us what you think we don't know.

Arr but I have indeed already shown you what you have not posted from the OLD COVENANT. You simply choose to ignore the posts and the scripture in them and have not responded to these posts and the scriptures in them that disagree with you. Please feel free to respond?

WHAT MADE UP THE OLD COVENANT

The OLD COVENANT was made up of God's 10 Commandments *DEUTERONOMY 4:13 and the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. God's 10 Commandments were spoken *EXODUS 20:1-19 and written by GOD alone *EXODUS 32:16 and the book of the Covenant was written *DEUTERONOMY 31:24 and spoken by MOSES *EXODUS 24:4-7 alone (under God's guidence).

TOGETHER both God's eternal law (10 commadments) written on stone and the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant are the OLD COVENANT. They were both SEPARATED and housed in the ARK OF THE COVENANT. God's LAW was placed inside the ARK of the COVENANT *DEUTERONOMY 10:5 while the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT was placed in the side of the ARK of the COVENANT *DEUTERONOMY 31:26

DEUTERONOMY 10:5 [5] And I turned myself and came down from the mount, and put the tables in the ark which I had made; and there they are, as the LORD commanded me.

Yep there is the 10 Commandments housed in the ARK of the COVENANT.

DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26] Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

EXODUS 24:7 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

So in summary here it is both the God's eternal law (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of sin and the shadow laws from the MOSIAC BOOK of the Covenant that made up the OLD COVENANT.

The NEW COVENANT is not like the OLD COVENANT. We no longer do animal sacrifices and the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 that pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW are fulfilled in Christ and his mimistration as our great sacrifice and high Priest who ministers on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary made without hande.

You mix up the shadow laws from that MOSAIC book of the covenant *EXODUS 24:7 brother with God's eternal law that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172 that show us we are all sinners and lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven by faith *GALATIANS 3:22-25 to be free from our sins to walk in his Spirit *GALATIANS 5:16.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

The NEW COVENANT is not the same as the OLD COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12, we no longer need to follow the Shadow LAWS from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT that all pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

Back to HEBREWS 8. The NEW COVENANT is not like the OLD COVENANT brother all the Shadow laws from the MOAIC BOOK that pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT are fulfilled in the NEW. The OLD has passed away. No more animal sacrifices and sin offerings, new Prieshood with JESUS as our great sacrifice and Great high priest ministering on our behalf in the heavenly sanctuary made without hands.

God's LAW written on stone leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven by Faith and free to walk in his Spirit *GALATIANS 3:22-25; GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 8:1-4. Faith the works by LOVE fulfills the NEW COVENANT promise of HEBREWS 8:10-12 of God's LAW written on the heart through LOVE *ROMANS 13:8-10.

Yep the OLD COVENANT is not like the NEW *HEBREWS 8:8-9. No more shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 pointing to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

Need more scriptures on God's eternal law and the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT being the OLD COVENANT?

FROM ANOTHER POST..

The OLD COVENANT was made up of two sets of LAWS. These included God's LAW (10 Commandments) spoken and written by GOD himself to his people on two tables of stone and the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT written and spoken to God's people by MOSES containing the CIVIL, CEREMONIAL and ECCLESIASTICAL laws for forgiveness of sin offerings for the SANCTUARY and PRIESTHOOD [Levitical].

The Old Covenant included; The 10 Commandments and the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT...

EXODUS 34 [28] And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the COVENANT, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

and what you have left out ...

EXODUS 24 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the hearing of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26] TAKE THIS BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the side of the ark of the COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there FOR A WITNESS AGAINST THEE.

DEUTERONOMY 29:21 [21] And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, ACCORDING TO ALL THE CURSES OF THE COVENANT that are WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW.

EXODUS 24:7 [7], And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

DEUTERONOMY 29 [21], And the LORD shall separate him to evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the COVENANT THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK OF THE LAW.

DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26], Take this BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the SIDE OF THE ARK OF THE COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

2 KINGS 23:2 [2], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT which was found in the house of the LORD.

2 KINGS 23 [3], And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THIS COVENANT THAT WERE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK. And all the people stood to the covenant.

2 KINGS 23 [21], And the king commanded all the people, saying, KEEP THE PASSOVER OF THE LORD your God, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THIS COVENANT.

2 CHRONICLES 34:30 [30], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the priests, and the Levites, and all the people, great and small: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT that was found in the house of the LORD.

2 CHRONICLES 34:32 [31] And the king stood in his place, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments, and his testimonies, and his statutes, with all his heart, and with all his soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THE COVENANT WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN THE BOOK.

yep its not just the 10 Commandments...

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HEBREWS 9:1 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

EPHESIANS 2:15 [15] HAVING ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby

EZEKIEL 46:14 [14] And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a MEAT OFFERING continually by a perpetual ORDINANCE unto the LORD.

NUMBERS 19:2 [2] This is the ORDINANCE OF THE LAW which the Lord hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:

HEBREWS 10:1 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. [3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

What laws are written on the heart in the NEW COVENANT promise? It is not the MOSAIC laws for remission of sin...

JEREMIAH 31:31-34 [31], Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:[32], NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt ; MY COVENANT WHICH THEY BROKE, although I was a husband unto them, says the LORD:[33], But THIS SHALL BE MY COVENANT THAT I SHALL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISREAL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND I WILL WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE; [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

2 CORINTHIANS 3:2 [2], You are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: [3], Since you are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, WRITTEN NOT WITH INK, BUT WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD; NOT IN TABLES OF STONE, BUT IN THE FLESHLY TABLES OF THE HEART. (see all of 2 COR 3)

The NEW COVENANT promise of LOVE is God's LAW (10 Commandments) written on the heart to LOVE through faith (ROMANS 13:8-10)

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CONCLUSION; Jesus did not come to change or destroy GOD'S LAW (10 Commandments). It is through GOD's LAW that we have a KNOLWEDGE of what SIN is. The sabbath is still to be kept. He came to fulfil what was written of Him in the books of the law and to END the Mosaic law for remission of SIN and the penalty of SIN in those who BELIEVE

yep it is the SHADOW laws that are fulfilled in Christ. The OLD COVENANT is made up of God's 10 Commandments and the Shadow laws in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

You have your shadow laws mixed up with God's eternal LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what sin is if broken. * ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:11; 1 JOHN 3:4

Hope this helps

LoveGodsWord · Dec 16, 2018

This post always seems to get no takers but thought I would post it again for something to think about.

Where does it say in God's WORD?

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

You do not have to answer these questions if your not able to. They should at the very least give you something to pray about and think about if your serious to follow God's WORD.

God's sheep hear his Voice (the Word)

ace of hearts · Dec 17, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Thanks..

No brother, why would I be joking. If God's LAW is not establsihed in your life you do not have living faith and need to be Born again *1 JOHN 3:3-10; 1 JOHN 2:1-4; JOHN 3:3-8; JAMES 2:18-20; 26.

All this from that post. WOW! All I said was someone else's post was worth reposting and reading again.

So I wonder in awe why you threaten my relation with God concerning my redemption. I still am in awe that you call me brother indicating by your post you also are among the unregenerate lost, unredeemed peoples.

I just don't understand your unrelenting condemnation of others. That is exactly the purpose of your above referenced passages.

We are not saved by keeping the law. Obedience to God's LAW is the very expression of what LOVE is as we have faith in God's WORD *EPHESIANS 2:8; ROMANS 3:31 and is why JESUS says IF you LOVE me keep my commandments *JOHN 14:15. It is faith the works by LOVE that fulfills God's LAW in those who are born again *ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; ROMANS 3:31.

Adhering to the covenant given to Israel thru Moses is forsaking the Gospel and Jesus.

Galatians 5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

You can put your trust in the law if you want. That's your business. I put my trust in Jesus.

Let's have a look at the scriptures in detail brother...

LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF GOD’S LAW

You cannot separate God’s Law of love from the 10 commandments because they are connected to each other. There is no need for confusion here. God’s Word makes it very clear.

No, it isn't God's law that was added because of sin. It the law given to Israel that was added. It's time of jurisdiction is also past like Gal 3:19 says and you don't accept. You can quit saying you believe all of God's Word because you don't.

You can accuse me of not being able to rebut the rest of your post if you like. It's just not worth my time. I've no hope of helping you to come to the truth.

ace of hearts · Dec 17, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Well that has no truth in it brother I have addressed your posts and your questions in much detail with God's WORD. What questions do you believe I have not addressed and let's discuss them and talk God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.

Insult you? Please brother provide a single post where I have ever insulted you. If you cannot why make claims that I have? This is sad for you to do so. I have answered your questions with more than a simple yes and no I have provided detailed resonses to all of your questions with God's WORD. It is God's WORD that answers your questions and we should believe God's WORD over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it *ROMANS 3:4.

Why do so many of your posts start off this way. You're intentionally inflaming. You're making untrue claims about your responses. For instance you haven't yet rebutted Rom 7:6. To do this you must prove it isn't talking about the famous 10 as verse 7 proves is the subject. There's absolutely nothing in the NT relating salvation to keeping the law. Yes go ahead and quote from MK 10 and Mat 19 again. Salvation has nothing to do with the law because you don't and can't keep it according to the OT. Not as single one of your references or quotes from the NT with the word commandments in them are references to the famous 10. It just isn't there in English or Greek.

ace of hearts · Dec 17, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Nope not at all. You must accept JESUS as your personal LORD of your life and Saviour and BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If you are living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN (breaking God's Commandments) are you accepting JESUS (the WORD) as your personal LORD of your life and Saviour from sin? If your living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN are you following God's WORD? Yep many are going to be dissapointed come judgment day *MATTHEW 7:12-23; HEBREWS 10:26-27

I've accepted Jesus as my Redeemer/Savior and follow the leading of the Holy Spirit His Father send to teach us what Jesus said, not the law. John 14:28 This Comforter (Spirit of Truth) proceeds from the Father which testifies of Jesus, not the law. The Spirit of truth you follow doesn't proceed from the and my Father. John 15:26

MATTHEW 7:12-23 testifies about you, not me.

You create trouble for yourself with Hebrews 10:26-27.

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