What is Mueller trying to hide?

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U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan demanded that the Mueller team turn over copies of their agent’s interview reports which are known as 302s. He has also requested McCabe’s memo from that date. He has set a Friday, 3 pm deadline for receipt of the documents.

Why did he have to demand it - because the Special Counsel was not cooperating.

I explained that I thought the quickest way to get this done was to have a conversation between [Flynn] and the agents only. I further stated that if LTG Flynn wished to include anyone else in the meeting, like the White House Counsel for instance, that I would need to involve the Department of Justice. [General Flynn] stated that this would not be necessary and agreed to meet with the agents without any additional participants.​

The agents did not provide General Flynn with a warning of the penalties for making a false statement under 18 U.S.C. § 1001 before, during, or after the interview​

The fact which draws perhaps the most suspicion is that the FBI 302s were dated August 22, 2017 which is seven months after the interview took place

Judge Sullivan, it appears, is not blind to the numerous and troubling injustices that abound in the Flynn case.
Here is the one and only reference to the President:

Over and over again, they have violated the rights of anyone associated with him. (The President)

I did read it - and that is why I consider it a diversion at best.​
According to the SCOTUS law enforcement doesn't have to tell you anything and they are allowed to lie to you.
It's the same in a military investigation, so Flynn would have been well aware of this.
Your Rights | US Military Defense Lawyer Philip D. Cave
 
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So my understanding is that the final report goes to the AG, who then decides what to do with it. And because this a counter intelligence issue, the Gang of 8 has the right to read the full unredacted report.
Thanks. That sounds right that the AG gets it first seeing Mueller is working under that department.
The Gang of 8...thanks.
 
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U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan demanded that the Mueller team turn over copies of their agent’s interview reports which are known as 302s. He has also requested McCabe’s memo from that date. He has set a Friday, 3 pm deadline for receipt of the documents.

Why did he have to demand it - because the Special Counsel was not cooperating.

I explained that I thought the quickest way to get this done was to have a conversation between [Flynn] and the agents only. I further stated that if LTG Flynn wished to include anyone else in the meeting, like the White House Counsel for instance, that I would need to involve the Department of Justice. [General Flynn] stated that this would not be necessary and agreed to meet with the agents without any additional participants.​

The agents did not provide General Flynn with a warning of the penalties for making a false statement under 18 U.S.C. § 1001 before, during, or after the interview​

The fact which draws perhaps the most suspicion is that the FBI 302s were dated August 22, 2017 which is seven months after the interview took place

Judge Sullivan, it appears, is not blind to the numerous and troubling injustices that abound in the Flynn case.
Here is the one and only reference to the President:

Over and over again, they have violated the rights of anyone associated with him. (The President)

I did read it - and that is why I consider it a diversion at best.​
This is all about Flynn’s sentencing. He’s already pleaded guilty. Not being warned of the consequences of lying to the FBI would possibly get him a lighter sentence. But that’s all a distraction from the question of why Flynn lied. Regardless of what the punishment should be, it was unethical to lie to the FBI. What was he trying to hide? His convos with Russia weren’t illegal. So why lie?
 
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I'm confused, particularly since this thread was started today based on a news article from several days ago. To answer the OPs question: "What is Mueller trying to hide?", the answer is simple -- nothing. It is widely reported that Mueller turned the requested documents over to the judge on Friday, just as he was ordered to do.

The threat is based on a weak and fear-mongering article that played fast and loose with the truth. It's even a weaker article since Mueller turned over the requested documents with no issues and on time. As pointed out, the fact that a judge "ordered" it is merely the way the justice system works, not anything about "forcing" Mueller to comply.
 
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Mueller is competent.
But isn't his special council he elected very biased and partisan? I heard the entire investigation is run by Democrats? And let's not beat around the bush, Democrats would love to find any reason to remove Trump. The special council doesn't represent American interests (and laws), it represents Democrat interests.

Just my thoughts.
 
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I thought this article might help:
Mueller rebukes Flynn, who 'chose' to make false statements to FBI
In a seven-page memo filed just before a 3 p.m. deadline Friday, Mueller fiercely pushed back on Flynn’s argument.

“A sitting National Security Advisor, former head of an intelligence agency, retired Lieutenant General, and 33-year veteran of the armed forces knows he should not lie to federal agents,” Mueller wrote.

“He does not need to be warned it is a crime to lie to federal agents to know the importance of telling them the truth.”
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I'm confused, particularly since this thread was started today based on a news article from several days ago. To answer the OPs question: "What is Mueller trying to hide?", the answer is simple -- nothing. It is widely reported that Mueller turned the requested documents over to the judge on Friday, just as he was ordered to do.

The threat is based on a weak and fear-mongering article that played fast and loose with the truth. It's even a weaker article since Mueller turned over the requested documents with no issues and on time. As pointed out, the fact that a judge "ordered" it is merely the way the justice system works, not anything about "forcing" Mueller to comply.

Surely that's /thread.
 
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But isn't his special council he elected very biased and partisan? I heard the entire investigation is run by Democrats? And let's not beat around the bush, Democrats would love to find any reason to remove Trump. The special council doesn't represent American interests (and laws), it represents Democrat interests.

Just my thoughts.

Many crimes have been uncovered and people who committed them are being held accountable.

That seems to represent both American interests and laws.
 
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You know, I don't think people should be pressured into not having lawyers present for interviews. I think we should have a law that prevents that. But I've seen plenty of recorded police interviews where the police do just that. If those folks can be bullied, why should Flynn be a special case? I think ideally we should have a law mandating an attorney be present for all interviews.
Given Flynn isn’t getting jail time, it appears to have worked out ok.
 
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I hope so but the President doesn't have to release Muelller's report.

It's not going to matter. Everything will be a matter of public record once everything is over and the indictments with redacted info are unmasked. They are only redacted because there are other ongoing investigations they have info regarding. Trump could fire Mueller today and no official report ever get submitted, but everything Cohen, Manafort, and Flynn lied about would still come out. All these convictions weren't run through the special counsels offices SDNY is prosecuting also. Dems have also said in the house they will request the report and have it read into the record so it becomes public.

But isn't his special council he elected very biased and partisan? I heard the entire investigation is run by Democrats? And let's not beat around the bush, Democrats would love to find any reason to remove Trump. The special council doesn't represent American interests (and laws), it represents Democrat interests.

Just my thoughts.

Sounds like you've been listening to Trump rant about 12 angry democrats. All the folks pressing charges, Mueller included, are known LIFELONG republicans. Until they started investigating Trump anyhow. Since they didn't declare him in the free and clear 5 mins after being appointed they've been called democrats, as a slur no less.
 
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Sounds like you've been listening to Trump rant about 12 angry democrats. All the folks pressing charges, Mueller included, are known LIFELONG republicans. Until they started investigating Trump anyhow. Since they didn't declare him in the free and clear 5 mins after being appointed they've been called democrats, as a slur no less.
I don't follow Trump. So, Mueller and Rosenstein are Republican, however, Mueller didn't put a single Republican on his council? Isn't that rather odd? I'd say that is a red flag. It's weird. But here, you can read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-facts/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.1b29b3cafc9c

Edit: I just want an impartial process.
 
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Given Flynn isn’t getting jail time, it appears to have worked out ok.
Why do you think that Flynn is objecting now?
Is there anyway that they could claim that the evidence he gave is from a poison tree?
 
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But isn't his special council he elected very biased and partisan? I heard the entire investigation is run by Democrats? And let's not beat around the bush, Democrats would love to find any reason to remove Trump. The special council doesn't represent American interests (and laws), it represents Democrat interests.

Just my thoughts.

Nope. Trump has had countless temper tantrums & claimed that but Mueller is a Republican. Let's not beat around the bush, there's ample reasons for why Trump needs to be removed from office.
Plenty of Republicans fully realize that too. Kellyanne Conway's husband has done a very good job calling out Trump on his lies & nonsense. No sir, Mueller's investigation absolutely represents AMERICA'S interests. Donald doesn't like that on account of how he puts himself first & foremost.
 
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Why do you think that Flynn is objecting now?
Is there anyway that they could claim that the evidence he gave is from a poison tree?
Only if it can be shown not true. He agreed to be questioned.
 
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