Why Did D. M. Canright leave the Seventh-Day Adventists?

Saint Steven said:

Here is what Strong's has to say in terms of a definition for sabbaton. Note the statement about the plural form.

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sabbaton
sabbaton
sab'-bat-on

of Hebrew origin (shabbath 7676); the Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension, a se'nnight, i.e. the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications:--sabbath (day), week.

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In Matthew 28:1 it was the end of the Sabbaths. That is the weekly Sabbath and the High Sabbath (feast).

Saint Steven said:

What day do you go to church?

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Several days of the week depending on the event taking place. Just as the Jews did, and as the Christians did.

The pagan activity that separates us from God is breaking any of God's 10 commandments. God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 commandments if we knowingly break it just like any of the other 10 commandments of we stand guilty before God of sin.

The wages of sin is death for all those who continue to practice known unrepentant sin. Yep the day is coming when those who practice sin will be calling out for the rocks to fall on them because it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Many in that day will say Lord, Lord haven't I done many wonderful things in your name? JESUS will say to them depart from me you who practice sin I never knew you.

Yep many will be dissappointed in that day when they had the chance to know and follow God's WORD but chose to turn their backs on God's WORD to live a life that did not follow him who called them in love to love another. Time is running out. We only have today. Tomorrow may be too late. Many a are called but few will be chosen.

God's sheep hear his Voice (the WORD)

HEBREWS 10:26-27
[26], For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, [27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Some were told by the one who knows all things;

Hearing you shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing you shall see, and not perceive: this was because or a waxed heart that had no feelings that effected the eyes and the ears which confused the understanding.

These fell into the ditch of delusion that all fall into that kick against the pricks and have lost their mirror that can be used as a phone to call the doctor.

Their lamp was a guide to them but they did not have enough oil. Their lamp then went out and now they sit in darkness and have fallen into a dtich and cannot find their way out.

Some travellers in the way walked by and saw some of these sitting in darkeness who lost their way and offered them some oil for their lamps but they being proud would not accept the gift and did not want to receive any help choosing instead to make their home in the ditch of delusion which the Lord of the way gave them over to because they loved darkness rather then light because their deeds were evil.

Tick tock goes the watch the time for grace is running out. Who will hear the call to go out and meet the brifegroom? Only those that have their lamps trimmed and full of oil.

God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word of God)

MATTHEW 13:35
That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

MATTHEW 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

MATTHEW 13:53 And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these parables, he departed there.

klutedavid said:

Still waiting on an explanation of what Ellen G White was saying below?

"The 1260 years of papal supremacy began with the establishment of the papacy in A. D. 538"

What does Ellen mean by establishment of the papacy in 538 AD?

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It was already answered here --

from Friday at 4:39 PM #102

klutedavid said:

I have a number of questions regarding the content of your post.

You referred to the bishop of Rome, Sylvester I, as a pope. This is in direct conflict with what the prophet, Ellen Gould White, stated about the papacy.

"The 1260 years of papal supremacy began with the establishment of the papacy in A. D. 538, and would therefore terminate on 1798.” (Great Controversy, p266, 1888 edition.)

“This period, as stated in the preceding chapters, began with the establishment of the papacy, A. D. 538, and terminated in 1798. At that time, when the papacy was abolished and the pope was made captive by the French army, the papal power received its deadly wound, and the prediction was fulfilled, ‘He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity.” (Great Controversy, p439, 1888 edition)

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Your quote refutes your claim David.

The quote did not say 'no Popes existed' before 538 (as if in 538 a Pope suddenly appeared). It also says the papacy is abolished in 1798 -- and the same author argue that there existed popes after 1798. But the Holy Roman Empire and world domination of the "papacy" ended in 1798.

Pope - is an office.
Papacy deals with the authority of the Pope -- and whether it was covering Europe (Holy Roman Empire) or not.

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Question: Do you actually read the answers posted to your post before saying you are still waiting for them?

Saint Steven said:

But... Why Did D. M. Canright leave the Seventh-Day Adventists?

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He was a bit goofed up at the end... not thinking straight...
1. when he imagined that the historic facts that I just posted "do not exist"
2. When he imagined that without a flawed week-day-1 opposing the Bible Sabbath that the Bible Sabbath would not hold up.
3. When he imagined he was wiser than God.

I pointed that out on "page one" of the thread... as we all know.

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Saint Steven said:

"How could Sunday worship have come from paganism,
when Sunday was never a pagan holiday?" — RALPH WOODROW

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D. M. Canright, a Seventh-Day Adventist minister.
Contacted the experts listed below to gather conclusive
evidence about pagan sun worship. He set out to prove
the SDA point on this once and for all.

Why Did D. M. Canright leave the Seventh-Day Adventists?

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hmmm "venerable day of the SUN" -

from - Sunday - Wikipedia
In Roman culture, Sunday was the day of the Sun god. In paganism, the sun was a source of life, giving warmth and illumination to mankind. It was the center of a popular cult among Romans, who would stand at dawn to catch the first rays of sunshine as they prayed.[dubious – discuss]

The opportunity to spot in the nature-worship of their heathen neighbors a symbolism valid to their own faith was not lost on the Christians. One of the Church fathers, St. Jerome, would declare: "If pagans call [the Lord's Day] [...] the 'day of the sun,' we willingly agree, for today the light of the world is raised, today is revealed the sun of justice with healing in his rays."[7]


The ancient Romans traditionally used the eight-day nundinal cycle, a market week, but in the time of Augustus in the 1st century AD, a seven-day week also came into use.

Justin Martyr, in the mid 2nd century, mentions "memoirs of the apostles" as being read on "the day called that of the sun" (Sunday) alongside the "writings of the prophets." [9]

On 7 March 321, Constantine I, Rome's first Christian Emperor (see Constantine I and Christianity), decreed that Sunday would be observed as the Roman day of rest:[10]

"On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain-sowing or vine-planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.[11]

Despite the official adoption of Sunday as a day of rest by Constantine, the seven-day week and the nundial cycle continued to be used side-by-side until at least the Calendar of 354 and probably later.[12]

In 363, Canon 29 of the Council of Laodicea prohibited observance of the Jewish Sabbath (Saturday), and encouraged Christians to work on the Saturday and rest on the Lord's Day (Sunday).[13] The fact that the canon had to be issued at all is an indication that adoption of Constantine's decree of 321 was still not universal, not even among Christians. It also indicates that Jews were observing the Sabbath on the Saturday.

klutedavid said:

Hello Bob.

How about cutting some slack for Mr Canright. I seriously don't think that he thought he was wiser than God.

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In the "details" - Canright became a Baptist because he thought Bible doctrine on a subject like the Sabbath commandment falls apart if some Roman Empire pagan does not promote some other day of worship. What utter nonsense! He then adds to his confounded reasoning by denying the historic facts about the Roman Empire.

Hint. We should not bow down to images EVEN if no Hinduism ever existed. That commandment still remains. And how would someone get so confused as to imagine Hinduism never existed in the first place. That is the kind of issue he was proposing - the level of extreme nonsense he was pursuing.

He knew Ellen Gould White personally and was very high up in the SDA.

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Which makes is ignorance on this simple point so profoundly inexcusable.

"That he had come to a point where he no longer believed that the Ten Commandments were binding upon Christians

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Even the "Baptist Confession of Faith" refutes that nonsense he was embracing --

His was an inexcusable claim to ignorance.

Saint Steven said:

Yes, this is a curious thing.
I don't support the idea that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday.
My understanding is that the Sabbath is the still the Sabbath and Sunday is Sunday.
They both still exist independently of one another. Sunday is not the Sabbath.

But there seems to be some historical evidence here that some in the early church do not agree with my position. That they understand Sunday to have been the replacement for the Sabbath.

However, this doesn't make sense to me, because we are not under the law. Why would we need a replacement for something we are not under?

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Hint - "The Baptist Confession of Faith" sectn 19 by C.H. Spurgeon


You said -

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I don't support the idea that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday.
My understanding is that the Sabbath is the still the Sabbath and Sunday is Sunday.
They both still exist independently of one another. Sunday is not the Sabbath.

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That much is true.

Saint Steven said:

Okay. That takes care of the first Greek word for Sabbath. What about the second one?

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Same word. It translates, "But late of the Sabbaths, at the dawning on toward one of the Sabbaths...

The first had to do with the Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread (High Sabbath), and the weekly Sabbath. The second one during those days was the first day (the first Sunday) following the weekly Sabbath after the Passover (the feast of First Fruits).

BobRyan said:

It was already answered here --

from Friday at 4:39 PM #102



Your quote refutes your claim David.

The quote did not say 'no Popes existed' before 538 (as if in 538 a Pope suddenly appeared). It also says the papacy is abolished in 1798 -- and the same author argue that there existed popes after 1798. But the Holy Roman Empire and world domination of the "papacy" ended in 1798.

Pope - is an office.
Papacy deals with the authority of the Pope -- and whether it was covering Europe (Holy Roman Empire) or not.

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Question: Do you actually read the answers posted to your post before saying you are still waiting for them?

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Yes Bob, I read your reply but you did not explain why that year 538 AD was selected by Ellen?

What does Ellen mean when she says the 'establishment of the papacy'?