JESUS and the APOSTLES OBEYED GOD'S LAW and the SABBATH!

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The same people they are in the OT. That in no way includes gentiles in the OT. Nor does it exclude anyone in the New Testament/New Covenant.

Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach that ISRAEL does not include the gentiles in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 11:13-27. Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL. God's WORD teaches God's ISRAEL are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD (the Church). If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12.
 
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How are Christians obligated to the Old Covenant that Moses says are the Ten Commandments in Deut 4:13?

If we do not know what the OLD COVENANT pointed to how can we know what the NEW COVENANT is? *EXODUS 24:7; DEUTERONOMY 4:13. It is the Shadow laws from the OLD COVENANT that pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvaiton in the NEW COVENANT that has been fulfilled in CHRIST not God's eternal LAW that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS * ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. If we break any of God's Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN. Those who practice KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN do not enter into God's KINGDOM because they reject the free gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; HEBREWS 10:26-27, neither do they know God *1 JOHN 2:3-4 and need to be Born again *1 JOHN 3:6-10.

Can you see your mistake here brother?
 
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Where is the obligation of the Christian to keep the sabbath mentioned in the New Testament?

God's eternal LAW that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS * ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. If we break any of God's Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11. This includes God's 4th Commandment which is one of the 10 commandments.

Those who practice KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN do not enter into God's KINGDOM because they reject the free gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; HEBREWS 10:26-27, neither do they know God *1 JOHN 2:3-4 and need to be Born again *1 JOHN 3:6-10.

HEBREWS 4:9 So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

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FredVB said:
There was nothing to persuade me from resting in observance of the Sabbath, and in the Bible Yahweh said, it is holy, so what people do does not change that. Then, for us it would be meaning to observe its holiness, and, that praying on this day of rest is for coming to Yahweh, as a special time for it, through Christ making it possible for us, as Lord of the Sabbath. Christ supported this for the Sabbath, and said nothing of change for this, and what Christ's Apostles and followers said should not be understood to be contradicting Christ, and what is understood to contradict that would be mistaken, those things don't have to be understood in that way to conflict.

I see that there are some who come to the faith asking, to others or just to themselves, what is the least that we have to change, for this faith, to be saved. I know, I was doing that too. But I learned, God loves us already, but not the way of people in the world, and wants us to change and desire to do that in the most thorough way we can for godliness. But it is personal growth and we are not to judge others in that.

I see commandments show the perfect will of Yahweh for the people of God (though not all Yahweh's perfect will, we have to look, in the way we are led, for that), and that there is sin going contrary to Yahweh's will that has been revealed to us. The commandments including the Sabbath are all taught, and shown to be observed in the new testament of the Bible, without it being contradicted, and nothing ever being said for it to stop, but still doing according to commandments is stated. The best you might say for something other from the Bible is where we are told not to judge others in such things. I don't see that observed so much by all others. That should be observed. It is our own personal response to Yahweh, there is good in learning that, but for each to go learning on their own.

There are those who say they are Jews but are not, mentioned in Revelation. I think I see, there are those saying they have the promises to Israel because they are Israel, while not obedient to commandments that they say are for Israel.

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How are Christians obligated to the Old Covenant that Moses says are the Ten Commandments in Deut 4:13?

I was not talking about obligation to the old covenant, yet you confuse that with commandments from Yahweh. The old covenant, which was a shadow of the new covenant, which is the one eternally effective, is the system that had sacrifices of animals and items of food like grain, and oil and wine, and the ritual ways to be clean, with the priests for that. It is all fulfilled in Christ. The commandments which show living in the will of Yahweh do not change with that, but should be in our hearts with being in Christ. Gentiles coming to Yahweh, effectively done in Christ, join with Israel, Isaiah 56:6.

Also the foreigners who join themselves to Yahweh,
to serve him,
and to love Yahweh’s name,
to be his servants,
everyone who keeps the Sabbath from profaning it,
and holds fast my covenant,
I will bring these to my holy mountain,
and make them joyful in my house of prayer.
 
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Sorry brother God's WORD does not teach that ISRAEL does not include the gentiles in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 11:13-27. Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL. God's WORD teaches God's ISRAEL are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD (the Church). If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12.
Sorry but my off the shelf KJV Bible doesn't read that way. BTW neither does the Greek.
 
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God's eternal LAW that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS * ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. If we break any of God's Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11. This includes God's 4th Commandment which is one of the 10 commandments.

Those who practice KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN do not enter into God's KINGDOM because they reject the free gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; HEBREWS 10:26-27, neither do they know God *1 JOHN 2:3-4 and need to be Born again *1 JOHN 3:6-10.

HEBREWS 4:9 So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

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Not obligated to that covenant, sorry.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Show me anywhere the OT or Old Covenant provides the above.
 
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I was not talking about obligation to the old covenant, yet you confuse that with commandments from Yahweh. The old covenant, which was a shadow of the new covenant, which is the one eternally effective, is the system that had sacrifices of animals and items of food like grain, and oil and wine, and the ritual ways to be clean, with the priests for that. It is all fulfilled in Christ. The commandments which show living in the will of Yahweh do not change with that, but should be in our hearts with being in Christ. Gentiles coming to Yahweh, effectively done in Christ, join with Israel, Isaiah 56:6.

Also the foreigners who join themselves to Yahweh,
to serve him,
and to love Yahweh’s name,
to be his servants,
everyone who keeps the Sabbath from profaning it,
and holds fast my covenant,
I will bring these to my holy mountain,
and make them joyful in my house of prayer.
Therefore what you post isn't applicable for the Christian.
 
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Not obligated to that covenant, sorry.

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

What Covenant and what do you think the OLD COVENANT is? If we do not understand what the OLD COVENANT is how can we understand what the NEW COVENANT is that it pointed to?

No one is BELIEVING JESUS if they do not FOLLOW what he says *1 JOHN 2:3-4.

JOHN 3:18 He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Show me anywhere the OT or Old Covenant provides the above.

God's people were saved the same way they are in the OLD COVENANT were saved the same way as they are in the NEW and that is by FAITH *HEBREWS 11. Only the process was different as they had to follow the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 in order to seek God's forgiveness (sin offerings)
 
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I was not talking about obligation to the old covenant, yet you confuse that with commandments from Yahweh. The old covenant, which was a shadow of the new covenant, which is the one eternally effective, is the system that had sacrifices of animals and items of food like grain, and oil and wine, and the ritual ways to be clean, with the priests for that. It is all fulfilled in Christ. The commandments which show living in the will of Yahweh do not change with that, but should be in our hearts with being in Christ. Gentiles coming to Yahweh, effectively done in Christ, join with Israel, Isaiah 56:6.

Also the foreigners who join themselves to Yahweh,
to serve him,
and to love Yahweh’s name,
to be his servants,
everyone who keeps the Sabbath from profaning it,
and holds fast my covenant,
I will bring these to my holy mountain,
and make them joyful in my house of prayer.

Well said brother Fred :oldthumbsup:
 
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FredVB said:
The old covenant, which was a shadow of the new covenant, which is the one eternally effective, is the system that had sacrifices of animals and items of food like grain, and oil and wine, and the ritual ways to be clean, with the priests for that. It is all fulfilled in Christ. The commandments which show living in the will of Yahweh do not change with that, but should be in our hearts with being in Christ. Gentiles coming to Yahweh, effectively done in Christ, join with Israel, Isaiah 56:6.

Also the foreigners who join themselves to Yahweh,
to serve him,
and to love Yahweh’s name,
to be his servants,
everyone who keeps the Sabbath from profaning it,
and holds fast my covenant,
I will bring these to my holy mountain,
and make them joyful in my house of prayer.

ace of hearts said:
Therefore what you post isn't applicable for the Christian.

What is there of what I posted that indicates that? I use scripture as my basis. What is your basis? Will you show it?

Sabbath is mentioned many hundreds of times, for it to be observed. It is throughout the old testament of the Bible, with nothing to show it should ever stop, Sabbath is still mentioned in the new testament of the Bible, with nothing showing that those who observe the Sabbath with resting should stop. Rather, when Jesus Christ said that he is the Lord of the Sabbath, he said the Sabbath was made for man. This is including women, not excluding them, and none are excluded, as he should be Lord for all.
 
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WHAT DID JESUS AND THE APOSTLES TEACH ABOUT GOD’S LAW
(the scriptures below are no where near exhaustive)

Jesus taught the 10 commandments…..


1. Jesus kept God’s Law (10 commandments) and said the Law and the prophets would not pass away (Matt 5:17-18)
2. Jesus taught others to follow the 10 commandments (Mark 10:17-21)
3. Jesus taught that Love is the fulfilling (doing) of God’s Law (10 commandments Matt 22:36-40)
4. If we break God’s Law by following man-made traditions we are not following God (Matt 15:3-9)
5. Jesus says if we commit sin we are a servant of sin and he has come to free us from sin (John 8:32-36)
6. Jesus taught if you love God you will keep God’s Law and abide in His Love (John 14:15; 15:10
7. If anyone is breaking any of God’s commandments and teaching others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven <least = lost> (Matt 5:19)
8. No one can obey God’s Law producing the fruit of obedience of ourselves and unless we abide in Jesus we can do nothing (John 15:4-10)

Paul affirms the Ten Commandments……

1. Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4.
2. Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19
3. Paul tells gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16
4. Paul asks that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31
5. Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the Law of God neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:6-8
6 Paul reaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jer 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" Heb 8:7-11
7. Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2Tim 3:16
AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
8. Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 and is binding on all Christians.
9. God's Law (10 commandments) are holy, just and good (Rom 7:12)
10. God's Law gives us a knowledge of what sin is (Rom 3:20; 7:7)
11. The penalty of breaking God's Law without Jesus is death (Rom 6:23)
12. If we break God's Law we dishonor God (Rom 2:23)
13. If we sin we are "under the Law" and guilty before God (Rom 3:19)
14. We are saved by faith but our faith establishes the Law in us (Rom 3:31)
15. If we are saved by grace we should not break God's Law (Rom 6:1-7)
16. We should not break God's Law if we are under grace (Rom 6:15)
17. We are to serve the Law of God through the mind because that is where sin starts (Rom 6:17; 7:25; 8:4; 12:2)
18. It is God's Law that brings us to Jesus (Gal 3:24)
19. God's salvation frees us from sin so we can be obedient to God's Law and live a life of holiness (Rom 6:22)
20. We will be judged by God's Law and only those that are obedient will be justified because of their faith (Rom 2:4-13)
21. God's Law can only be obeyed through love and a changed heart which comes by faith in God's Word (Rom 2:21-29; 13:9-10; Heb 8:9-10)
22. If we break God's Law and are in unrepentant sin we will be lost and will received God's judgements (Heb 10:26-27)

John affirms the 10 commandments……

1. John says it is only by keeping God’s 10 commandments that we know that we know God (1 John 2:3)
2. If someone says that they know God and do not keep God’s 10 commandments they are lying and not telling the truth (1 John 2:4)
3. We should purify ourselves as Jesus is pure (1 John 3:3)
4. Sin is the breaking of God’s 10 commandments (1 John 3:4)
5. Whoever is abiding in Christ does not commit sin (1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10)
6. If you are in unrepentant sin you have not seen Jesus or know him (1 John 3:6)
7. John warns us that only those that are obedience to God’s Law are his true followers (1 John 3:7)
8. If someone is committing unrepentant sin they are following the devil and not God (1 John 3:7)
9. If you are born of God and abiding in him you will not commit sin (1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10
10. It is the keeping of God’s commandments that is the difference between those that are following God and those that are not following God (1 John 3:10; 1 John 5:3)
11. It is only by Love through faith that we can keep God’s commandments (1 John 5:3-4)
12. God’s true believers in the end days will keep all of God’s commandments through faith in Jesus (Rev 14:12; 22:14)

James also affirms the 10 commandments…….

1. James says God’s Law (10 commandments) are a Royal Law (James 2:8)
2. If we break one of God’s commandments we a guilty before God as sinners breaking all of God’s Law and gave some examples of breaking God’s Law (James 2:9-11)
3. James says God’s Law is a law of liberty and freedom (James 2:12)
4. The 10 commandments (God’s Law) are the standard in the judgment (James 2:12)
5. If our faith does not have the fruit of obedience to God’s Law it is dead and not true faith (James 2:16-26)

Peter affirms the 10 commandments……..

1. Sanctification is to obedience to God’s Law (1 Pet 1:2)
2. We can only be changed from sin to obedience to God’s Law by the power of God and it will be revealed in the last days (1 Pet 1:5)
3. We should give up our sins to be holy because Jesus is holy (1 Pet 1:13-16)
4. Jesus is your example who did no sin (1 Pet 2:21-22)
5. Cease from sin and do not live in the flesh (1 Pet 4:1-3)
6. Judgement will begin at the house of God and sinners (those breaking God’s 10 commandments) will not be saved.
7. God has given us his precious promises and as we believe them God will grant us his divine power to live a life of Godliness (obedience to God’s Law; 2 Pet 1:2-4)
8. The Un-Godly (disobedient to God’s Law) will be like Sodom and Gomorrah (2 Pet 2:6)
9. If any turn away from God’s Law and are in unrepentant sin breaking any of God’10 commandments they will be lost (2 Pet 2:20-22)
10 God is not willing that any should perish but that everyone should come to repentance and turn away from sin to follow God’s 10 commandments because those that do not will receive the judgements of God (2 Pet 3:5-14)

What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

God’s Law in the NC is written on our hearts it is through love and it is love the fulfils God’s Law in us as we walk not after the flesh but after the spirit and is why Jesus says f you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15; John 15:10). If we knowingly break one of God’s commandments we commit sin (1 John 3:4). This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which Jesus made for us and commands us to keep as a holy day.

In Christ Always!

Amen!
 
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What is there of what I posted that indicates that? I use scripture as my basis. What is your basis? Will you show it?

Sabbath is mentioned many hundreds of times, for it to be observed. It is throughout the old testament of the Bible, with nothing to show it should ever stop, Sabbath is still mentioned in the new testament of the Bible, with nothing showing that those who observe the Sabbath with resting should stop. Rather, when Jesus Christ said that he is the Lord of the Sabbath, he said the Sabbath was made for man. This is including women, not excluding them, and none are excluded, as he should be Lord for all.
The mention of the sabbath isn't proof of a requirement. All the mentions of the sabbath I know of in the NT surround Jews. There are a few that mention gentiles, but not in a Christian sense. Paul went to the synagogue where there were also gentiles to persuade both Jews and gentiles. The synagogue has never been central and essential to Christianity. The synagogue has nothing to do with the law. Nor is it proof of keeping the sabbath.

Why isn't there anything in the Book of the Law about the sabbath being for all mankind? Moses says the sabbath was a sign for Israel alone. If the whole world kept it, it couldn't have special significance to Israel. I've no idea why you can't grasp that.
 
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What Covenant and what do you think the OLD COVENANT is? If we do not understand what the OLD COVENANT is how can we understand what the NEW COVENANT is that it pointed to?
I need you to tell me what the old covenant is. If there's a new covenant, there has to be an old covenant. I think that is identified in Jeremiah 31:32 as the famous 10. Why do you think other wise?
No one is BELIEVING JESUS if they do not FOLLOW what he says *1 JOHN 2:3-4.
2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

Why do you go nuts over the word "commandments" in verse 3? Is it because you read "ten commandments" and not what the text says?

Read the rest of my quote and you'll find out those commandments are those of Jesus and not our Father.

John 15 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

We Christians are in Jesus - not the Father. Your reference is misleading.

John says in 1:3:23 - And this is his (God the Father's) commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he (Jesus) gave us commandment. This commandment of Jesus is found in John 15:12. It isn't found in the OT.
JOHN 3:18 He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Amen to this. Notice it has nothing to do with the law.
God's people were saved the same way they are in the OLD COVENANT were saved the same way as they are in the NEW and that is by FAITH *HEBREWS 11. Only the process was different as they had to follow the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 in order to seek God's forgiveness (sin offerings)
So how can not keeping the sabbath take away our salvation? Here you claim we're saved by faith. Other places you say if we don't keep the law we have no salvation. The law can't do that because it doesn't grant salvation. According to Psalms 14:3 no one keeps the law. Any who think they do will be disappointed like the man in Mat 19.
 
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Actually it does :)
Hate to disappoint you, but my Bible says "graft in among them." It doesn't say graft into them. It does say graft into the Root, Jesus the Christ. Jesus isn't Israel. Jesus in the flesh is a son of Israel. Lots of difference.
 
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I need you to tell me what the old covenant is. If there's a new covenant, there has to be an old covenant. I think that is identified in Jeremiah 31:32 as the famous 10. Why do you think other wise?

No problem, happy to share God's WORD. You mix up the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *MATTHEW 24:7 with God's eternal law (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

Let's look at the scriptures in detail...

The OLD COVENANT was made up of many sets of LAWS. These included God's LAW (10 Commandments) spoken and written by GOD himself to his people on two tables of stone and the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT written and spoken to God's people by MOSES containing the CIVIL, SANITARY, CEREMONIAL, ECCLESIASTICAL laws for forgiveness of sin and sin offerings for the SANCTUARY and PRIESTHOOD [Levitical].

EXODUS 24:7 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the hearing of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

The Old Covenant included; The 10 Commandments and the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

1. GOD'S LAW (One scripture only as we already agree on this)
EXODUS 34:28 [28] And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the COVENANT, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

This is what you left out of your post which is only telling half the story...

2. THE MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT (Also part of the old covenant)
EXODUS 24:7 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the hearing of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26] TAKE THIS BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the side of the ark of the COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there FOR A WITNESS AGAINST THEE.

DEUTERONOMY 29:21 [21] And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, ACCORDING TO ALL THE CURSES OF THE COVENANT that are WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW.

EXODUS 24:7 [7], And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

DEUTERONOMY 29:21 [21], And the LORD shall separate him to evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the COVENANT THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK OF THE LAW.

DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26], Take this BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the SIDE OF THE ARK OF THE COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

2 KINGS 23:2 [2], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT which was found in the house of the LORD.

2 KINGS 23:3 [3], And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THIS COVENANT THAT WERE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK. And all the people stood to the COVENANT.

2 KINGS 23:21 [21], And the king commanded all the people, saying, KEEP THE PASSOVER OF THE LORD your God, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THIS COVENANT.

2 CHRONICLES 34:30 [30], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the priests, and the Levites, and all the people, great and small: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT that was found in the house of the LORD.

2 CHRONICLES 34:31 [31] And the king stood in his place, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments, and his testimonies, and his statutes, with all his heart, and with all his soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THE COVENANT WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN THE BOOK.

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CONCLUSION *Yep, the OLD COVENANT is not just the 10 Commandments it includes the prophetic SHADOW LAWS FROM THE MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT*

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The Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT were pointing to the NEW..

HEBREWS 9:1 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

EPHESIANS 2:15 [15] HAVING ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby

EZEKIEL 46:14 [14] And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a MEAT OFFERING continually by a perpetual ORDINANCE unto the LORD.

NUMBERS 19:2 [2] This is the ORDINANCE OF THE LAW which the Lord hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:

HEBREWS 10:1 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. [3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

What laws are written on the heart in the NEW COVENANT promise? It is not the MOSAIC laws for remission of sin...

JEREMIAH 31:31-34 [31], Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:[32], NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt ; MY COVENANT WHICH THEY BROKE, although I was a husband unto them, says the LORD:[33], But THIS SHALL BE MY COVENANT THAT I SHALL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISREAL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND I WILL WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE; [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

2 CORINTHIANS 3 [2], You are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: [3], Since you are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, WRITTEN NOT WITH INK, BUT WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD; NOT IN TABLES OF STONE, BUT IN THE FLESHLY TABLES OF THE HEART. (see all of 2 COR 3)

The NEW COVENANT promise of LOVE is God's LAW (10 Commandments) written on the heart to LOVE through faith (HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10)

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CONCLUSION; Jesus did not come to change or destroy GOD'S LAW (10 Commandments). It is through GOD's LAW that we have a KNOLWEDGE of what SIN is. The sabbath is still to be kept. He came to fulfil what was written of Him in the books of the law and to END the Mosaic law for remission of SIN and the penalty of SIN in those who BELIEVE

yep it is the SHADOW laws that are fulfilled in Christ. The OLD COVENANT is made up of God's 10 Commandments and the Shadow laws in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.

You have your shadow laws mixed up with God's eternal LAW that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what sin is if broken. * ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:11; 1 JOHN 3:4

Happy to share the purpose of God's LAW (10 Commandments) and the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT in another post if your interested?

DETAILED SCRIPTURE SUPPORT LINKING OLD AND NEW HERE Click me.

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Now let's look at the house of the OLD COVENANT. It is called the ARK OF THE COVENANT and let's see what it included..

WHAT LAWS DID THE ARK OF THE COVENANT [HOUSE OF THE COVENANT] CONTAIN?

DEUTERONOMY 10:5 [5] And I turned myself and came down from the mount, and put the tables in the ark which I had made; and there they are, as the LORD commanded me.

Yep there is the 10 Commandments housed in the ARK of the COVENANT.

DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26] Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

Well here you go now AOH can you see your error here?

EXODUS 24:7 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

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CONCLUSION: The ARK [House of the COVENANT] held God's 10 Commandments [2x tables of stone] and the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT . Together these made up the OLD COVENANT.

Hope this helps.
 
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2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

Why do you go nuts over the word "commandments" in verse 3? Is it because you read "ten commandments" and not what the text says?

Read the rest of my quote and you'll find out those commandments are those of Jesus and not our Father.

Actually nope. You are not considering the context that you are leaving out of what your are posting. Let's have a look at the scriptures and why it is 1 JOHN 2:3-4 is talking about the 10 commandments. The CONTEXT is the first two verses which say...

1 JOHN 2:1-2
[1], My little children, THESE THINGS I WRITE UNTO YOU THAT YOU SIN NOT. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
[2], And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

NOTE: The CONTEXT and reson why JOHN is writting this epistle is what? v1 THESE THINGS I WRITE UNTO YOU THAT YOU SIN NOT. It goes on to say if any man sin we have an advocate with the father. This leads us into v3-4

[3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.
[4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM .

NOTE: So the reason for JOHN'S epistle is that THAT WE SIN NOT v1. Then in v3-4 it says
HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.
Now notice carefully what Commandments in God's WORD are associated with sin if broken or another way of asking the same question would be what is sin because the reason why JOHN is writting his epistle is that we sin not.

WHAT IS SIN

JAMES 2:8-12
[8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: [9], But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW

Yep, James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW and commit SIN. James quotes two of the 10 Commandments that are summed up in the 2nd great commandments of LOVE to our neighbor in v11

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1 JOHN 3:4 [4] Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.

John is saying the same thing as James and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments). We will look at the chapter context shortly which give the example in v15 of MURDER God's 6th Command of the 10.

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ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN BUT BY THE LAW: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that SIN is breaking God's commandments and uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (
Exodus 20:17)

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ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

Context is v9; both Jew and Greek ALL under SIN, v10 None are righteous no not one, v11 None seek after God, v12 All have gone out of the way, there is none that does good [χρηστότης means MORAL excellence]. v13-18 Peace they have not known, destruction is in their way; they do not fear God. Now the CONTEXT is there is none that do GOOD which is in reference to χρηστότης MORAL excellence. Now let's look at v19-20

ROMANS 3:19-21
[19] Now we know that whatsoever things the law says, it says to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Context is no one does good χρηστότης MORAL excellence. God's LAW (10 Commandments) are the standard of RIGHTEOUSNESS.


PSALMS 119:172 [172], My tongue shall speak of your word: for all your commandments are righteousness [צדק; tsedeq means; the right natural, moral or legal; also (abstractly) equity or (figuratively) prosperity: - X even, (X that which is altogether) just (-ice), ([un-]) right (-eous) (cause, -ly, -ness)].

RIGHTEOUSNESS צדק; tsedeq in God's LAW is the standard of χρηστότης; MORAL excellence

The CONTEXT then is doing GOOD in reference to God's LAW (10 Commandments) v19 that is defines SIN and makes all the world guilty before GOD.

[20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

No one is justified by God's LAW which is the standard of RIGHTEOUSNESS [Moral excellence and Good] because if broken it gives us a KNOWLEDGE of sin. Already defined in James as breaking any of God's 10 Commandments.

[21], But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

God's LAW is the standard of RIGHTOEUSNESS (
Psalms 119:172) MORAL EXCELLENCE standard of what is GOOD. The RIGHTOUENESS of GOD outside of the LAW being witnessed by the LAW and the prophets v22 which is by FAITH in Christ; WHY? v23 because ALL HAVE SINNED broken God's LAW. v24-28 we are only made righteous by faith in Christ without the deeds of the law. v31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

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CONCLUSION: PAUL, JAMES and JOHN all agree together that if we break any of God's LAW (10 commandments) we commit SIN. All three use example of breaking the 10 Commandments as what defines sin. The CONTEXT of 1 JOHN 2:3-4 tells us that the reason for JOHNS epistle in v1 is THAT WE SIN NOT. God's WORD defines SIN as BREAKING any of God's 10 Commandments. Therefore brother with CONTEXT added back in the commandments JOHN is referring to that we SIN (breaking God's 10 commandments) is the 10 Commandments.

Hope this helps.

PS. Which ever way you want to spin it, if you want to say it's love or believing in Jesus I can still show you that everything leads back OBEDIENCE to God's 10 commandments through faith in God's WORD. If your interested just ask me to show you the scriptures.
 
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So how can not keeping the sabbath take away our salvation? Here you claim we're saved by faith. Other places you say if we don't keep the law we have no salvation. The law can't do that because it doesn't grant salvation. According to Psalms 14:3 no one keeps the law. Any who think they do will be disappointed like the man in Mat 19.

Indeed as we are ONLY saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *EPHESIANS 2:8.

Brother the GOOD NEWS of the GOSPEL is that we have a Saviour that promises to save us from our sins not to continue living in sin *JOHN 8:31-36. If you live in unrepentant sin you will die because you have rejected the gift og God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; ROMANS 8:13; ROMANS 6:1-2; ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 8:1-4; HEBREWS 10:26-27.

As we have shown in the previous post SIN is breaking any one of God's 10 Commandment. God's 4th Commandment SEVENTH DAY SABBATH that God has blessed and made a HOLY day is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

If you KNOWINGLY break God's 4th Commandment just like any other of the 10 commandments we stand guilty before God in sin. Unless we seek JESUS in repentance and forgiveness *1 JOHN 2:1-2; 1:9 we will be in danger of the judgment *HEBREWS 10:26-27.

Many do not know what God's GRACE is for neither do they have faith and need to be Born again to receive God's Spirit to follow him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another *1 JOHN 3:9.

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

ROMANS 1:5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

ROMANS 16:26
But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith

DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.


Hope this helps.
 
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Hate to disappoint you, but my Bible says "graft in among them." It doesn't say graft into them. It does say graft into the Root, Jesus the Christ. Jesus isn't Israel. Jesus in the flesh is a son of Israel. Lots of difference.

Not dissappointed at all. Easy one to answer. Graft in among who? I will let you answer that one. They are the branches who are they grafted in among? Yep you guessed it ISRAEL
 
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The mention of the sabbath isn't proof of a requirement.

1. The Sabbath commandment is. This is irrefutable
2. God says it will be for all mankind for all eternity after the cross in Isaiah 66:23 in the New Earth "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND become before Me to worship" ... irrefutable.
3. Jesus again reminds His followers (which we are ) that "The Sabbath was made for mankind" Mark 2:27.
4. Paul reminds us "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
5. The Commandments of God are the ones were "the fifth commandment is the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2

All the mentions of the sabbath I know of in the NT surround Jews. There are a few that mention gentiles

you just contradicted your own statement.

Why isn't there anything in the Book of the Law about the sabbath being for all mankind?

1. Its in the "law and the prophets" which is what Jesus was using in Luke 24 after the cross.

2. Moses never writes that the gentiles are not supposed to take God's name in vain.

Creative writing is not "proof" of doctrine.
 
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