Non-Trinitarian Baptism in Jesus or Trinity?

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17. For whereas in the Gospels, and in the epistles of the apostles, the name of Christ is alleged for the remission of sins; it is not in such a way as that the Son alone, without the Father, or against the Father, can be of advantage to anybody; but that it might be shown to the Jews, who boasted as to their having the Father, that the Father would profit them nothing, unless they believed on the Son whom He had sent. For they who know God the Father the Creator, ought also to know Christ the Son, lest they should flatter and applaud themselves about the Father alone, without the acknowledgment of His Son, who also said, No man comes to the Father but by me. John 14:6 But He, the same, sets forth, that it is the knowledge of the two which saves, when He says, And this is life eternal, that they might know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. John 17:3 Since, therefore, from the preaching and testimony of Christ Himself, the Father who sent must be first known, then afterwards Christ, who was sent, and there cannot be a hope of salvation except by knowing the two together; how, when God the Father is not known, nay, is even blasphemed, can they who among the heretics are said to be baptized in the name of Christ, be judged to have obtained the remission of sins? For the case of the Jews under the apostles was one, but the condition of the Gentiles is another. The former, because they had already gained the most ancient baptism of the law and Moses, were to be baptizedalso in the name of Jesus Christ, in conformity with what Peter tells them in the Acts of the Apostles, saying, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For this promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. Acts 2:38-39 Peter makes mention of Jesus Christ, not as though the Father should be omitted, but that the Son also might be joined to the Father.

18. Finally, when, after the resurrection, the apostles are sent by the Lord to the heathens, they are bidden to baptize the Gentiles in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. How, then, do some say, that a Gentile baptized without, outside the Church, yea, and in opposition to the Church, so that it be only in the name of Jesus Christ, everywhere, and in whatever manner, can obtain remission of sin, when Christ Himself commands the heathen to be baptized in the full and united Trinity? Unless while one who denies Christ is denied by Christ, he who denies His Father whom Christ Himself confessed is not denied; and he who blasphemes against Him whom Christ called His Lord and His God, is rewarded by Christ, and obtains remission of sins, and the sanctification of baptism! But by what power can he who denies God the Creator, the Father of Christ, obtain, in baptism, the remission of sins, since Christ received that very power by which we are baptizedand sanctified, from the same Father, whom He called greater than Himself, by whom He desired to be glorified, whose will He fulfilled even unto the obedience of drinking the cup, and of undergoing death? What else is it then, than to become a partaker with blaspheming heretics, to wish to maintain and assert, that one who blasphemes and gravely sins against the Father and the Lord and God of Christ, can receive remission of sins in the name of Christ? What, moreover, is that, and of what kind is it, that he who denies the Son of Godhas not the Father, and he who denies the Father should be thought to have the Son, although the Son Himself testifies, and says, No man can come unto me except it were given unto him of my Father? John 6:65 So that it is evident, that no remission of sins can be received in baptism from the Son, which it is not plain that the Father has granted. Especially, since He further repeats, and says, Every plant which my heavenly Father has not planted shall be rooted up. Matthew 15:13

19. But if Christ's disciples are unwilling to learn from Christ what veneration and honour is due to the name of ..." Epistles (Cyprian of Carthage) > Epistle 72 CHURCH FATHERS: Epistle 72 (Cyprian of Carthage) Bishop around 249 AD

Note: "all nations" In Matthew 28 is Jesus final command related to baptism of Gentiles. In Acts 2 the context is strictly Jewish People religion wise.
 

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Some scholars say that the Trinitarian formula in Baptism was "added later" -- but I think sometimes modern scholars try to sell us a bill of goods.

Oneness Pentecostals baptize in the name of Jesus, not Trinity.

I was baptized as an infant, and later again as a believer at age 19. Both times with Trinitarian formula.
 
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are Oneness Pentecostals Jewish or Gentiles?

As you know there is no textual evidence to support the claim of a later addition.

Didache reads, "
Chapter 7. Concerning Baptism
And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19 in living water. But if you have not living water, baptize into other water; and if you can not in cold, in warm. But if you have not either, pour out water thrice upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whatever others can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before."

“in David’s name” (1 Sam. 25:9)

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.
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Acts 4:18 And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus.

Acts 5:40 And to him they agreed: and when they had called the apostles, and beaten them, they commanded that they should not speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.

Acts 9:27 But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus.

Acts 16:18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.

Esther 3:12 Then were the king's scribes called on the thirteenth day of the first month, and there was written according to all that Haman had commanded unto the king's lieutenants, and to the governors that were over every province, and to the rulers of every people of every province according to the writing thereof, and to every people after their language; in the name of king Ahasuerus was it written, and sealed with the king's ring.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Acts 9:29 And he spake boldly in the name of the Lord Jesus, and disputed against the Grecians: but they went about to slay him.

Acts 16:18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.

1 Corinthians 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

1 Corinthians 5:4In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Ephesians 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

Colossians 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

2 Thessalonians 3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

James 5:10 Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.

James 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Jeremiah 11:21 Therefore thus saith the Lord of the men of Anathoth, that seek thy life, saying, Prophesy not in the name of the Lord, that thou die not by our hand:

Jeremiah 26:9 Why hast thou prophesied in the name of the Lord, saying, This house shall be like Shiloh, and this city shall be desolate without an inhabitant? And all the people were gathered against Jeremiah in the house of the Lord.

Jeremiah 26:16 Then said the princes and all the people unto the priests and to the prophets; This man is not worthy to die: for he hath spoken to us in the name of the Lord our God.

Jeremiah 26:20 And there was also a man that prophesied in the name of the Lord, Urijah the son of Shemaiah of Kirjathjearim, who prophesied against this city and against this land according to all the words of Jeremiah.

Jeremiah 44:16 As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee.

As you likely know the phrase, "in the name of" relates to authority.
 
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Augustine is the only church father to even quote the Acts 2 text,

"33. And since this is so, remission of sins, seeing it is not given but by the Holy Spirit, can only be given in that Church which has the Holy Spirit. For this is the effect of the remission of sins, that the prince of sin, the spirit who is divided against himself, should no more reign in us, and that being delivered from the power of the unclean spirit, we should thenceforward be made the temple of the Holy Spirit, and receive Him, by whom we are cleansed through receiving pardon, to dwell in us, to work, increase, and perfect righteousness. For at His first coming, when they who had received Him spoke with the tongues of all nations, and the Apostle Peter addressed those who were present in amazement, they were pricked in heart, and said to Peter and to the rest of the Apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? show us. And Peter said to them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. In the Church truly in which was the Holy Ghost, were both brought to pass, that is, both the remission of sins, and the receiving of this gift. And therefore was it In the Name of Jesus Christ; because when He promised the same Holy Ghost; He said, Whom the Father will send in My Name. For the Spirit dwells in no man without the Father and the Son; as neither does the Son without the Father and the Holy Spirit, nor the Father without them. Their indwelling is inseparable, as their operation is inseparable; but sometimes they manifest themselves separately by symbols borrowed from the creatures, not in their own substance; just as they are pronounced separately by the voice in syllables which occupy separately their own spaces, and yet they are not separated from each other by any intervals, or moments of time. For they never can be pronounced together, whereas they can never exist, except together. But as I have already said, and not once only, the remission of sins, whereby the kingdom of the spirit which is divided against himself is overthrown and driven out, and the fellowship of the unity of the Church of God, out of which this remission of sins is not, are regarded as the peculiar work of the Holy Spirit, with the cooperation doubtless of the Father and the Son, because the Holy Spirit is Himself in some sort the fellowship of the Father and the Son. For the Father is not possessed as Father by the Son and the Holy Spirit in common; because He is not the Father of Both. And the Son is not possessed as Son by the Father and the Holy Spirit in common; because He is not the Son of Both. But the Holy Spirit is possessed as the Spirit by the Father and the Son in common, because He is the One Spirit of Both."CHURCH FATHERS: Sermon 21 on the New Testament (Augustine)

Whereas, the formula of "in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost" is quoted over a hundred times. NEW ADVENT: Search
 
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"1. It certainly was in the power of the apostles to declare that Christ descended upon Jesus, or that the so-called superior Saviour [came down] upon the dispensational one, or he who is from the invisible places upon him from the Demiurge; but they neither knew nor said anything of the kind: for, had they known it, they would have also certainly stated it. But what really was the case, that did they record, [namely,] that the Spirit of God as a dove descended upon Him; this Spirit, of whom it was declared by Isaiah, And the Spirit of Godshall rest upon Him, Isaiah 11:2 as I have already said. And again: The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He has anointed Me. Isaiah 61:1 That is the Spirit of whom the Lord declares, For it is not you that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaks in you. Matthew 10:20 And again, giving to the disciples the power of regeneration into God, He said to them, Go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Matthew 28:19 For [God] promised, that in the last times He would pour Him [the Spirit] upon [His] servants and handmaids, that they might prophesy; wherefore He did also descend upon the Son of God, made the Son of man, becoming accustomed in fellowship with Him to dwell in the human race, to rest with human beings, and to dwell in the workmanship of God, working the will of the Father in them, and renewing them from their old habits into the newness of Christ." Against Heresies (St. Irenaeus) > Book III, Chapter 17 CHURCH FATHERS: Against Heresies, III.17 (St. Irenaeus)
 
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Acts 2
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

In context Peter was preaching to Jewish people.
 
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are Oneness Pentecostals Jewish or Gentiles?

Gentiles, I think you would be hard pressed to find any Jewish Oneness Pentecostals. I am sure there are a couple, but I doubt they were religious Jews before going Oneness Pentecostals. That said, there are a handful of Jewish believers that are Oneness. I know of a congregation in the Denver area, but they definitely are not Pentecostals in any way.
 
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When I was stationed at Lowery AFB in Auroura a subburb of Denver the
Lovingway United Pentecostal Church Pastor Maurice Gordon was well known for his anti-Semitism. His Church even went as far as burning Jewish Bibles in public. Even back in the 1970's He would post signs like
"The Jews Killed The Lord Jesus" while shouting hate over a bull horn.

I was well acquainted with the Jewish Community back then. Gordon was well known for the violence that he incited against Jewish People there. His church was often in the Denver Post there as causing problems with the neighborhood like playing his services on loud speakers outside, protesting business for firing people who went to his church. They were rightfully fired for driving customers away and mixing their #2 in the food of people they hated based on race and religion.

They were well known for public disturbances like setting bomb fires on the Capital Steps on Confax.

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Well, what did Jesus say?

“Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age” (Matthew 28:19-20).

So according to Jesus, baptizing people in Jesus' name only is a direct violation to the Great Commission. Failure to do so is to not "teaching them to obey everything [Jesus] commanded you."
 
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In context, the Gentiles are baptized in the full Name of the Trintiy. In Acts, the examples of Jewish People in Acts 2 were Jewish People who where baptized in Jesus name because of his Authority as their Teacher.

The ones in Acts 19 were first Baptized by John which makes them Jewish.

Acts 2 is clearly Jewish because of Passover.

Acts 8, the Samaritans were a Jewish Sect.

Historical Context of a text makes a difference.


The Didache has Baptism in the Full Trinity.

The Church Father I quoted showed that there were false teachers that taught Baptism in Jesus Name among the Gentiles.

Since United Pentecostals today teach the well know Herasay of Sabellius AKA Modalism and their Baptism in Jesus Name is based on that false teaching. Their Baptism is not valid and Their view of the Trinity is also False. They teach a false gospel.

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
 
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In Acts 10, Peter's mission is to the Jewish People, And Jewish Christians were present, so it was natural for him to baptized in Jesus name. It likely got out of hand from the circumstances. And, note they were Baptized in the "name of Jesus Christ" which at variance with "in Jesus name". Thus Peter of the Jewish Believers ??? forgot.

Luke could have simply been using the phrase "In Jesus Name" as a shortcut in writing about the Baptisms too -- this is just a guess on my part. We were not there.

Acts 5:41 Good News Translation (GNT)
41 As the apostles left the Council, they were happy, because God had considered them worthy to suffer disgrace for the sake of Jesus.

44 While Peter was still speaking, the Holy Spirit came down on all those who were listening to his message. 45 The Jewish believers who had come from Joppa with Peter were amazed that God had poured out his gift of the Holy Spirit on the Gentiles also. 46 For they heard them speaking in strange tongues and praising God's greatness. Peter spoke up: 47 “These people have received the Holy Spirit, just as we also did. Can anyone, then, stop them from being baptized with water?” 48 So he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay with them for a few days.
 
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Old post I see. Just joined though and have been thinking some on this lately. It seems to me Matthew 28:18-19 is teaching us, among other things, what is to be said in baptism on the basis of Jesus’ authority. The baptisms in Acts reflect this truth. On the basis of Jesus’ authority/in Jesus’ name, once people became believers in Him, they were to be baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Acts doesn’t record what was actually said the moment people were baptized, but it doesn’t have to; we have the command in Matthew 28:19 we can be sure the apostles obeyed and taught others to.
 
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A Church Manual from around 100 AD states, "1. Concerning baptism, baptise thus: Having first rehearsed all these things, "baptise, in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost," in running water;
2. But if thou hast no running water, baptise in other water, and if thou canst not in cold, then in warm.
3. But if thou hast neither, pour water three times on the head "in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost."
4. And before the baptism let the baptiser and him who is to be baptised fast, and any others who are able. And thou shalt bid him who is to be baptised to fast one or two days before."

In IX it speaks of Baptism in his authority. ~The Didache~
 
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