WHAT DOES 1 COR 15:8 TALKING ABOUT ??

Dan Perez · Dec 15, 2018

Hi to all and 1 Cor 15:8 reads , And last of all He was seen by me also , as if it were an UNTIMELY BIRTH !!

My question is that if Pasul as a JEW had an UNTIMELY BIRTH , WHO then had a TIMELY BIRTH ??

What say you ?

dan p

Sabertooth · Dec 15, 2018

My take is that it is a self-deprecating phrase that emphasizes how behind the times he was when he finally heard and accepted the Gospel. It is comparable to the American phrases, "johnny-come-lately" or "late-to-the-party."

Dan Perez · Dec 15, 2018

Sabertooth said:
My take is that it is a self-deprecating phrase that emphasizes how behind the times he was when he finally heard and accepted the Gospel. It is comparable to the American phrases, "johnny-come-lately" or "late-to-the-party."

Hi and will you clarify what " jhonny-come - lately " or " late -to - party " means ??

dan p

Sabertooth · Dec 15, 2018

Dan Perez said:
Hi and will you clarify what " jhonny-come - lately " or " late -to - party " means ??

The Grammarphobia Blog: The earliest Johnny-come-lately

"Late-to-the-party" means the same thing. They are figurative phrases. "Slow on the uptake" or "slow to catch on" are two more.

d taylor · Dec 15, 2018

Sabertooth said:
My take is that it is a self-deprecating phrase that emphasizes how behind the times he was when he finally heard and accepted the Gospel. It is comparable to the American phrases, "johnny-come-lately" or "late-to-the-party."

Paul list himself last out of the group listed who has encountered the resurrected Christ. Since Paul had not been with The Messiah during His ministry, he sees himself as one born out of due time : ektróma = untimely birth, miscarriage

Dan Perez · Dec 15, 2018

d taylor said:
Paul list himself last out of the group listed who has encountered the resurrected Christ. Since Paul had not been with The Messiah during His ministry, he sees himself as one born out of due time : ektróma = untimely birth, miscarriage

Hi and EKTROMA , or born out of due time and what you wrote is right !!

Is that it ??

If Paul was the one BORN OUT OF DUE TIME , the other question is WHO IS BORN IN DUE TIME ?

Why have 13 APOSTLES ?

Was Paul's message different ??

Rom 1:1 says it is different as the VERB APHORIZO / LIMITED is true !!

It says that Paul was LIMITED to only preach God's Gospel , as the verb APHORIZO is in the Greek PERFECT TENSE , PASSIVE VOICE and a PARTICIPLE !!

So whan Paul was saved in Acts 9 , Paul is LIMITED to only preach God's Gospel of Grace !!

dan p

HTacianas · Dec 15, 2018

Dan Perez said:
Hi to all and 1 Cor 15:8 reads , And last of all He was seen by me also , as if it were an UNTIMELY BIRTH !!

My question is that if Pasul as a JEW had an UNTIMELY BIRTH , WHO then had a TIMELY BIRTH ??

What say you ?

dan p

It's an odd analogy that Paul uses to describe his not being an original apostle. He says "born out of time" but he really means "born out of place". He was not in the right place at the right time to meet Jesus and become an apostle while Jesus was still alive. Paul compares that to being born at the wrong time.

mark kennedy · Dec 15, 2018

HTacianas said:
It's an odd analogy that Paul uses to describe his not being an original apostle. He says "born out of time" but he really means "born out of place". He was not in the right place at the right time to meet Jesus and become an apostle while Jesus was still alive. Paul compares that to being born at the wrong time.

That's kind of where I am with it, looks like this question has been addressed. By the way, your avatar scares me a little, is that supposed to be the praxis?

HTacianas · Dec 15, 2018

mark kennedy said:
That's kind of where I am with it, looks like this question has been addressed. By the way, your avatar scares me a little, is that supposed to be the praxis?

It's an icon of St. John Climacus' book The Ladder of Divine Ascent. It's a depiction of monks climbing the ladder to heaven with Jesus waiting at the top. The saints of heaven are looking on while St. John urges them on. Demons are trying to prevent them from reaching the top.

It has a special meaning to me because I think that all men at some point play each part but they don't know what part they are playing.

mark kennedy · Dec 15, 2018

HTacianas said:
It's an icon of St. John Climacus' book The Ladder of Divine Ascent. It's a depiction of monks climbing the ladder to heaven with Jesus waiting at the top. The saints of heaven are looking on while St. John urges them on. Demons are trying to prevent them from reaching the top.

It has a special meaning to me because I think that all men at some point play each part but they don't know what part they are playing.

Oh ok, I thought it was guys falling off the ladder. I looked it up, yea those are demons trying to impede their progress. Phew, I fell much better now, it looked like that stairwell needed hand rails.

food4thought · Dec 15, 2018

Dan Perez said:
Hi to all and 1 Cor 15:8 reads , And last of all He was seen by me also , as if it were an UNTIMELY BIRTH !!

My question is that if Pasul as a JEW had an UNTIMELY BIRTH , WHO then had a TIMELY BIRTH ??

What say you ?

dan p

It is pretty well understood that He was referring to himself as one who "came to the party late", so to speak. Those who followed Christ from the beginning were the ones who had the "timely birth".

Dan Perez said:
Why have 13 APOSTLES ?

I am unsure whether the Apostleship of Matthias is valid. The Spirit had yet to come upon the Apostles, and Jesus Himself later chose Paul as an Apostle. On the other hand, their were actually 13 tribes of Israel after Jacob adopted Joseph's two sons as his own (Genesis 48:5). The lists of the tribes in the OT are always twelve, but sometimes Joseph is named as a tribe and at other times Ephraim and Manasseh are named and one of the other tribes is omitted. Never been sure what to make of all that...

Sabertooth · Dec 16, 2018

food4thought said:
...at other times Ephraim and Manasseh are named and one of the other tribes is omitted.

When the Bible talks about Israeli tribal land assignments, Joseph has two portions (through Ephraim & Manasseh). Levi has none. They lived among the other tribes as priests. That still leaves only twelve land portions.

I wonder if they served as states or counties.

Dan Perez · Dec 17, 2018

food4thought said:
It is pretty well understood that He was referring to himself as one who "came to the party late", so to speak. Those who followed Christ from the beginning were the ones who had the "timely birth".

I am unsure whether the Apostleship of Matthias is valid. The Spirit had yet to come upon the Apostles, and Jesus Himself later chose Paul as an Apostle. On the other hand, their were actually 13 tribes of Israel after Jacob adopted Joseph's two sons as his own (Genesis 48:5). The lists of the tribes in the OT are always twelve, but sometimes Joseph is named as a tribe and at other times Ephraim and Manasseh are named and one of the other tribes is omitted. Never been sure what to make of all that...

Hi and Paul was the only one that had a UNTIMELY BIRTH from Israel from the race of Israel and under the Law , BLAMELESS , Phil 3:5 and 6 !!

Here we have what many call a NEAR VIEW as Israel was set aside as written in Isa 6 and in Luke 13:6-9 and in 2 Cor 3:13-15 , Acts 18:6 13:46 and in 28:28 !!

This is what Paul is an ABORTION and given a new message , called a SIAPENSATION / OIKONOMIA in 1 Cor 9:17 !!

When Rom 11:25 and 1 Thees 4:13-18 and 1 Cor 15:51 and on , !!

Rom 11:26 is the FAR VIEW will be in operation !!

dan p

WHAT DOES 1 COR 15:8 TALKING ABOUT ??

Well-Known Member

Repartee Animal: Quipping the Saints!

Well-Known Member

Repartee Animal: Quipping the Saints!

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Natura non facit saltum

Well-Known Member

Natura non facit saltum

Loving truth

Repartee Animal: Quipping the Saints!

Well-Known Member

Similar threads