Mass Shooting Near French Christmas Market

Nithavela said:

When exactly "did the muslims come into europe"?

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Right before the Christmas Market attacks started.

SoldierOfTheKing said:

Witnesses reported the guy yelling "Allahu Akbar" during the shooting, so yeah, it's about Islam. What's more, there weren't terrorist attacks on European Christmas markets like this before the Muslims came into Europe. They simply didn't happen. It's amusing the mental gymnastics that people engage in to see this as anything other than an attack on European culture...

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Perhaps you missed my earlier post where I pointed out that the guy was born in Strausburg.

Aryeh Jay said:

Your post made me think, since “The Muslims” came to Europe (Spain) back in 711, then every terrorist act since that time is because of the Muslims, regardless of who really committed it.

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Beat me to it.

SoldierOfTheKing said:

The whataboutism is strong in this thread...

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Says the guy who blames a girl for her own rape and death until it was found that it was an illegal who committed the crime.

Muislims came into France when France ruled much of Nortn Africa. In fact that came much earlier than that when the Moors ruled Spain, Portugal and mich of Southern France, and in Eastern Europe with the Turks about AD 1100.

The first Christmas market was held somewhere around 1384, so it would appear that Muslims have been in Europe longer than Christmas Markets.

Christmas market - Wikipedia

Aryeh Jay said:

Right before the Christmas Market attacks started.

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It does seem that Merkel's opening of the floodgates brought the Muslim population of Europe to a critical mass where these types of atrocities became normal. Again, it wasn't so long ago that they were unheard of, and in those countries that have successfully protected themselves against this democratic tide, they still are.

mala said:

Says the guy who blames a girl for her own rape and death until it was found that it was an illegal who committed the crime.

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If you're Mollie Tibbets, I actually made it a point that what happened to her could have happened to her could have happened to anyone in the community, which is why her person views on immigration when she was alive or those of her family were beside the point....

SoldierOfTheKing said:

It does seem that Merkel's opening of the floodgates brought the Muslim population of Europe to a critical mass where these types of atrocities became normal. Again, it wasn't so long ago that they were unheard of, and in those countries that have successfully protected themselves against this democratic tide, they still are.

If you're Mollie Tibbets, I actually made it a point that what happened to her could have happened to her could have happened to anyone in the community, which is why her person views on immigration when she was alive or those of her family were beside the point....

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Somehow immigrants are responsible for the actions of people born in France...

What I think is interesting is you're trying to use political correctness to advance a position of intolerance, but in turn sounding completely ridiculous as you twist and turn to promote an illogical position. As stated earlier, you point out that the actions of one white person means that all white people are suspects.

Aryeh Jay said:

How quickly we forget in our efforts to demonize Islam…

19 December 1974 the Provisional IRA exploded a car bomb which was parked opposite to Selfridge's department store on Oxford Street in London.

21 December 1974: A bomb exploded on the first floor in the furniture department of Harrods department store in Knightsbridge.

17 December 1983: Harrods bombings: Harrods West London department store was bombed by the IRA during Christmas shopping.

10 December 1992: Two devices exploded in litter bins outside shops at Wood Green Shopping Centre, London N22.

17 December 1992: A bomb hidden in a litter bin in a third-floor men's lavatory of the John Lewis department store, Oxford Street, London.

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Maybe something a little more recent.

Steve Petersen said:

Maybe something a little more recent.

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List of bombings during the Northern Ireland Troubles and peace process - Wikipedia

Real Irish Republican Army - Wikipedia

This was in July:
Northern Ireland police chief blames Derry violence on 'New IRA'
Violence continues in Derry as 74 petrol bombs are thrown in a single night
2018 Derry riots - Wikipedia

SoldierOfTheKing said:

It does seem that Merkel's opening of the floodgates brought the Muslim population of Europe to a critical mass where these types of atrocities became normal. Again, it wasn't so long ago that they were unheard of, and in those countries that have successfully protected themselves against this democratic tide, they still are.



If you're Mollie Tibbets, I actually made it a point that what happened to her could have happened to her could have happened to anyone in the community, which is why her person views on immigration when she was alive or those of her family were beside the point....

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Forgotten already huh.
It was the Muslim girl that was raped and killed.
You blamed her and her friends for inviting the attacker who you defended, even insinuating that maybe her family killed her.
You quickly changed your time when it was declared that the attacker was an illegal instead of a white American man.

iluvatar5150 said:

List of bombings during the Northern Ireland Troubles and peace process - Wikipedia

Real Irish Republican Army - Wikipedia

This was in July:
Northern Ireland police chief blames Derry violence on 'New IRA'
Violence continues in Derry as 74 petrol bombs are thrown in a single night
2018 Derry riots - Wikipedia

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I see and raise...

List of Islamic Terror Attacks

Steve Petersen said:

I see and raise...

List of Islamic Terror Attacks

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This is a poor attempt at moving the goalposts. The list you were given referred to recent Christian terrorist attacks in Europe, by no means a comprehensive list, and you respond with a list of Islamic terror attacks from around the world. One could easily post a link to a page about Christian terrorism and find much more, but that's not the point. This is not about whether people can use religion to commit violence, it is about the ignorant view that argues that all Muslims should be restricted or treated as suspects for the actions of a few. You're trying to change the parameters of your original complaint in order to continue supporting the original ignorant premise that we should stop immigration to Europe despite them being in Europe since the Middle Ages.

SoldierOfTheKing said:

It does seem that Merkel's opening of the floodgates brought the Muslim population of Europe to a critical mass where these types of atrocities became normal. Again, it wasn't so long ago that they were unheard of, and in those countries that have successfully protected themselves against this democratic tide, they still are.

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Oh is that the case? I seem to remember that the first such outrage was the 9:11 attack. which probably killed more than all the European attacks put together. 9:11 was the second attack on the towers byr Bin Ladin supporpers. The first was a bpmb in the underground car park.

Steve Petersen said:

Maybe something a little more recent.

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When the claim was that there were no terrorist attacks at Christmas markets before Muslims came to Europe, I don’t think that going back to a period that I was alive in it too far in the past.

SummerMadness said:

Yeah, when it's a Muslim, this says something about Muslims/Islam. When it's a white person, this says something about white... er, uh, we need to think about what this individual did and his mental health! What aspects of society led him to act in this manner?!

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White is a skin color. Muslim is a religious affiliation.

grasping the after wind said:

White is a skin color. Muslim is a religious affiliation.

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Correct, ISIL Terrorist Elton Simpson didn’t get the "white people" treatment…

Aryeh Jay said:

When the claim was that there were no terrorist attacks at Christmas markets before Muslims came to Europe, I don’t think that going back to a period that I was alive in it too far in the past.

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I was responding to the 'whatabout' Christian attacks. The thread is about Islamist attacks. The whatabout post was trying to make a moral equivalency, but there is no comparison in sheer number of Islamist versus Christian attacks in recent history.

Steve Petersen said:

I was responding to the 'whatabout' Christian attacks. The thread is about Islamist attacks. The whatabout post was trying to make a moral equivalency, but there is no comparison in sheer number of Islamist versus Christian attacks in recent history.

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This is what I responded to…

“What's more, there weren't terrorist attacks on European Christmas markets like this before the Muslims came into Europe. They simply didn't happen.”

I provided proof that terrorists have killed prior to the recent Terrorist attacks carried out by Muslims. I did not mention the terrorists religion and made no “Christians do it too” remarks.

I don’t think that the people blown apart shopping during the Christmas season care if it was a Muslim terrorist or Christian terrorist that killed them.

I have three “I shot at Muslims” awards, one “I killed me some Muslims” award and two “I got shot and wounded by Muslims” awards so don’t make the mistake that I am an ISIL supporter.

I will add that I am against Terrorism and Terrorists, be them Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Atheist, or any other flavor of religion or lack of religion. And I am smart enough to know that all the groups mentioned have committed heinous acts of terrorism as well as enriched the world with culture and wisdom. And I do not fall into the chain of thought that if one member of a group commits an evil act then all members of that group are evil or the equally false chain of thought of my group can do no evil whatsoever.

I also realize that probably more than half the world would consider me to be a member of one of the largest Terrorist organization’s on the planet and that saying that I am against Terrorism is hypocritical...

Aryeh Jay said:

And I do not fall into the chain of thought that if one member of a group commits an evil act then all members of that group are evil or the equally false chain of thought of my group can do no evil whatsoever.

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Being that the number of people who feel this way is virtually zero, I would have to call this a straw man.