Obamacare ruled unconstitutional by Texas judge

Any bets on how long that ruling stands?

Mountainmanbob said:

Obamacare ruled unconstitutional by Texas judge

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Guess we'll have to see if the judges decision stands up to:

from article in OP said:

California and other states ruled against by the judge will likely challenge the decision by appealing in the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit.

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tulc(which is how the law works)

Activist judges are good now?

US judge rules Obamacare unconstitutional due to change in federal tax law


the reason is because of the new tax laws
the individual mandate can't be separated from the whole


in other words because individual 1 changed the tax law, it's now unconstitutional

So, all those Republican politicians who, with hand on heart, swore to protect pre-existing conditions...?

Allandavid said:

So, all those Republican politicians who, with hand on heart, swore to protect pre-existing conditions...?

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Were following in President Trumps footsteps: lying to their base.
tulc(hey...maybe the Republicans should now promise Mexico is going to pay for health care?, that lie seems to have real appeal to President Trumps base)

christine40 said:

US judge rules Obamacare unconstitutional due to change in federal tax law


the reason is because of the new tax laws
the individual mandate can't be separated from the whole


in other words because individual 1 changed the tax law, it's now unconstitutional

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Changing the tax laws isn't unconstitutional, what the judge ruled was that republicans essentially needed to repeal the bill to change it the way they did.

I don't think it'll hold up.

Mountainmanbob said:

Obamacare ruled unconstitutional by Texas judge

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I think this is one of the key differences of Western European and US thinking on social and healthcare. Apart from the idea of universal healthcare paid for through mandatory national insurance, generally (very maybe) across Europe, the idea that those people in society who aren't able to take care of themselves for whatever reason, should have some provision made for them by the rest of the society they live in. Of course this system is open to abuse by those who can but don't, but the original idea at least was that of a safety net for people in the most challenging circumstances. In the US there appears to be a stronger sense that people should take care of themselves and their families. I think there are advantages to both.

iluvatar5150 said:

Any bets on how long that ruling stands?

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Not very long....

Mountainmanbob said:

Obamacare ruled unconstitutional by Texas judge

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Texas. That oughta tell you something.

Mountainmanbob said:

We have Medicaid for the poor.
In place way before Obamacare.

What's the Difference Between Medicare and Medicaid?

M-Bob

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News you can use:
The working poor do not qualify for Medicaid. Now. Are you proposing to expand Medicaid to cover people who now use Obamacare?

It will end up with the Supremes.

"When Congress cut the tax penalty from the program in 2017..."

As others have noted, this ruling is predicated on the Republican sabotage of the law. We'll see how it all ends up.

USincognito said:

Activist judges are good now?

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Why aren't Republican Trump supporters screaming "An activist judge legislating from the bench!"? I think I know... because it's something ruled against Obama and not Trump. Just wait until another federal judge rules against Trump again. He'll get all huffy and he'll call that Judge an "Obama judge" too and we'll hear about all about activist judges from his supporters again. It'll be like old times.

Yes, this would be a legislative solution, and perhaps a reasonable choice.

We've had 2, Obamacare and Trumpcare (Obamacare without the mandate).

What we had yesterday was a judge deciding that the legislative choice were invalid. He decided that the protection of those with pre-existing conditions and the expansion of Medicaid was unconstitutional because the legislature under Trump changed the legislative decision under Obama in a way that the legislators under Obama would have disapproved. This is nonsense.

Mountainmanbob said:

TEXAS DEBATE: Who pays for health care?

Congress O'Rourke says we could expand Medicaid and introduce Medicare as an option on exchanges.

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