Running out of options, Trump turns to self-pitying whataboutism

tulc · Dec 14, 2018

One of the glaring realizations to emerge this week is that Donald Trump lied about one of the hush-money payments to one of his alleged former mistresses. The president was asked on April 5 whether he know about the pre-election payoff to Stormy Daniels. “No,” Trump replied.

Asked where Michael Cohen got the money for the hush-money payment, the president added, “I don’t know.”

The fact that he was lying is no longer in dispute. In fact, Trump tacitly admitted yesterday that his original claims weren’t true when he changed his story about what transpired. The Washington Posthad a good piece along these lines, noting, “The evolving strategy on the hush-money allegations is textbook Trump: Tell one version of events until it falls apart, then tell a new version, and so on – until the danger passes.”

tulc(is going to pour more coffee and watch the dumpster fire burn a little brighter)

Hieronymus · Dec 14, 2018

Nah, not really.
The crooks have their panties in a twist because they're screwed.
So they project.

Hank77 · Dec 14, 2018

Hieronymus said:
Nah, not really.
The crooks have their panties in a twist because they're screwed.
So they project.

And then he pivoted, hoping to change the subject away from the accusations surrounding his political operation and toward a multi-million-dollar congressional slush fund.
Running out of options, Trump turns to self-pitying whataboutism

Do you know what Trump was referring to when he spoke about this slush fund?

JackRT · Dec 14, 2018

tulc said:
Running out of options, Trump turns to self-pitying whataboutism

tulc(is going to pour more coffee and watch the dumpster fire burn a little brighter)

I like the dumpster fire analogy. Just yesterday I was reading a Rick Mercer (Canadian journalist) rant about American politics. He described it as like watching a train wreck --- in slow motion --- in a trailer park --- with a tornado coming --- and did I mention the killer bees.

Hieronymus · Dec 14, 2018

Hank77 said:
And then he pivoted, hoping to change the subject away from the accusations surrounding his political operation and toward a multi-million-dollar congressional slush fund.
Running out of options, Trump turns to self-pitying whataboutism

Yeah, well, MSNBC, CNN, NYT, WaPo, even FOX mos of the times, are all a part of the old guard, so they oppose Trump and they want you to oppose him too.
I find it hard to believe how many people STILL have not noticed this...

Do you know what Trump was referring to when he spoke about this slush fund?

No, not by heart.

Hank77 · Dec 14, 2018

Hieronymus said:
No, not by heart.

Didn't think so.

tulc · Dec 14, 2018

Hieronymus said:
Yeah, well, MSNBC, CNN, NYT, WaPo, even FOX mos of the times, are all a part of the old guard, so they oppose Trump

there it is again, in his (and apparently some of his base as well) mind, when anyone accurately quotes him, they're "they're picking on him". :doh:

and they want you to oppose him too.

Well, since he started the fight by attacking everyone and everything who didn't agree with him, I'm not sure why you think it was the media who wanted everyone "to oppose him". He's been more then capable of making people oppose him. :wave:

I find it hard to believe how many people STILL have not noticed this...(snip)

the irony in this portion of your post? it's quite...amazing. :sorry:

tulc(no really, amazing barely begins to cover the amount of irony in it)

Hieronymus · Dec 15, 2018

As for "whataboutism", it's a cheap shot to call it that when in fact it's just pointing out the hypocrisy and double standards the left and the media uses.
So indeed, what about the crimes of the old guard?
Why is the media silent about that, yet grab EVERY opportunity to be negative and accusing regarding Trump?
Well, just have a look at who own the media and what their agenda seems to be.

Hieronymus · Dec 15, 2018

tulc said:
there it is again, in his (and apparently some of his base as well) mind, when anyone accurately quotes him, they're "they're picking on him".

You're so gullible...
They misrepresent the context and what he means.
They do this every time.

Well, since he started the fight by attacking everyone and everything who didn't agree with him, I'm not sure why you think it was the media who wanted everyone "to oppose him". He's been more then capable of making people oppose him.

Yes, he is quite blunt and rude at times.
But what would you do if you became the manager of an organisation and you find a decades old culture of crime and corruption in your organisation?
Would you accept the corruption and crimes, and keep things as they are, or would you at least TRY to get rid of the corruption and the crimes?
Yes, obviously the corrupt and criminal elements will oppose a house cleaning...
You can see that in the press daily.

the irony in this portion of your post? it's quite...amazing.

This only means you still haven't noticed anything, even when it's pointed out to you.
So the irony is that blinded tulc calls me blind, or whatever you're implying.
Quite amazing indeed...

The Barbarian · Dec 15, 2018

Trump, when bullying fails, whines and plays the victim card. That's what bullies do.

tulc · Dec 15, 2018

Hieronymus said:
You're so gullible...

Thank you, nothing helps to show how reasoned and insightful a response is going to be quite like this sort of opening. :wave:

They misrepresent the context and what he means.
They do this every time.

I see we're in the that phase of the "How to defend something horrible President Trump said/did defense" phase one: "He didn't say/do that!" and once it's shown he did say/do it comes: "You don't understand what he meant when he said/did that!" (which I believe this particular "defense" falls under) and once that's been shown we understand exactly what he meant to say/do comes the:"It's no big deal that he said/did that!" and once that's been shown that' it IS a big deal that he said/did that, comes the "Other people have said/did worse!" phase. :sigh:

Yes, he is quite blunt and rude at times.

But what would you do if you became the manager of an organisation and you find a decades old culture of crime and corruption in your organisation?
Would you accept the corruption and crimes, and keep things as they are, or would you at least TRY to get rid of the corruption and the crimes?

I have to admit: every time I see this sort of argument being made by a President Trump supporter I'm curious how they define "try to get rid of the corruption and the crimes"? Because I've never seen the words "get rid of" used quite like this. To me? "get rid of" doesn't mean "embrace all of the swamp and fire hose it into every part of the government I have any control over.".

Yes, obviously the corrupt and criminal elements will oppose a house cleaning...

Oh yeah, you can see the "criminal elements opposing the house cleaning" every time President Trump complains about people not letting him spread the swamp any further then he has, and then how plays the victim card every time he gets caught doing/saying something.

You can see that in the press daily.

Yep, as they cover President Trump and quote him, it's there for everyone to see. Good point Hieronymus. :clap:

This only means you still haven't noticed anything, even when it's pointed out to you.

...or I see it more accurately then you do? :scratch:

So the irony is that blinded tulc calls me blind, or whatever you're implying.

uhmmm...I didn't imply anything, I came right out and said the irony in that part of your post really was amazing.

Quite amazing indeed...

yep, I agree.
tulc(off to do more dishes)

JackRT · Dec 15, 2018

tulc said:
yep, I agree.
tulc(off to do more dishes)

Those coffee dishes really pile up.

tulc · Dec 15, 2018

JackRT said:
Those coffee dishes really pile up.

...well...it does help to be living in a Christian commune with a couple hundred other coffee (and tea drinkers) who need cups (and plates and bowls and silverware and pots and pans and tables, and floors, and...

) washed all the time. :wave:

tulc(is done with dishes till tomorrow, but is helping to unload a truck full of toys for homeless kids in about an hour)

Gigimo · Dec 20, 2018

Hieronymus said:
So indeed, what about the crimes of the old guard?
Why is the media silent about that, yet grab EVERY opportunity to be negative and accusing regarding Trump?

You have to wonder how many people Mueller has indicted that they're trying to tie to Trump also has ties with the other side of the political fence and old guard, selective insinuation huh???

The Barbarian · Dec 20, 2018

Gigimo said:
You have to wonder how many people Mueller has indicted that they're trying to tie to Trump

Trump selecting them to high positions in this campaign/administration was kind of a tip-off, wasn't it?

Hieronymus · Dec 20, 2018

tulc said:
Thank you, nothing helps to show how reasoned and insightful a response is going to be quite like this sort of opening.

Some reason and insight from you would have avoided this sort of opening. :tutu:

Hank77 · Dec 20, 2018

Hieronymus said:
So indeed, what about the crimes of the old guard?
Why is the media silent about that, yet grab EVERY opportunity to be negative and accusing regarding Trump?

The old guard is no longer in the hen house.

tulc · Dec 20, 2018

Hieronymus said:
Some reason and insight from you would have avoided this sort of opening.

hmmm...I thought the thread was about President Trump, not me. I did notice nothing else in the post was addressed it's almost like the goal wasn't about discussing the subject of the thread but more about moving the discussion away from President Trump. :sorry:

tulc(suspects because there isn't any actual way to defend President Trump) :wave:

The Barbarian · Dec 20, 2018

tulc said:
hmmm...I thought the thread was about President Trump, not me. I did notice nothing else in the post was addressed it's almost like the goal wasn't about discussing the subject of the thread but more about moving the discussion away from President Trump.

Well, the thread is in part, about "whataboutism." So if someone presents an example, it's kinda appropriate.

AntiVillain · Dec 31, 2018

Hieronymus said:
As for "whataboutism", it's a cheap shot to call it that when in fact it's just pointing out the hypocrisy and double standards the left and the media uses.
So indeed, what about the crimes of the old guard?
Why is the media silent about that, yet grab EVERY opportunity to be negative and accusing regarding Trump?
Well, just have a look at who own the media and what their agenda seems to be.

Agreed.

If there wasn't so much rank hypocrisy among those castigating Trump, there'd be no need to say, "What about [...]?" in the first place.

"Whataboutism" has become a commonplace word for deflecting fair charges of blatant hypocrisy.

So, now Democrats can flip-flop however they want; and if anyone calls them out, they just roll their eyes and go, "Whataboutism again."

So irritating -- yelling out, "Whataboutism!" and thinking you've actually made a point with that stupid buzzword.

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