Was Peter Baptized?

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RITUAL water baptism is not a requirement of salvation. Unbiblical.

Mark 16: verses 19 -end were ADDED to oldest MSS and should be disregaded.

Spiritual baptism -
1 Corinthians 12:13 (NASB)
13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body (of Christ),
whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free,
and we were all made to drink of one Spirit
 
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The Roman Catholic Church teaches that one must be baptized in order to be saved.

I believe that we should want to be baptized because we are saved and water baptism is not a part of being saved.

Now in thinking about this, I tried to find a Bible verse which tells us when Peter was baptized.
You see, the RCC claims Peter as their 1st Pope and the thought occurred to me that if we go with the RCC teaching that a man must be baptized in order to be saved and their 1st Pope has no record of baptism then according to their own teaching, Peter would not have been saved.

Now wouldn't that be a hoot????

Someone will try to use John 14 to say that that event was baptism. NO friends that will not work at all so please save us the argument over it. John 14 IS NOT baptism but is "Foot washing" and the context and exegesis is not about immersion for the cleansing of sin and salvation in any way.

Who is going to explain this?

While I am not here to defend the point that Peter was baptized, so therefore he was the first pope, but I would like to question the idea of baptism altogether.

Which baptism is the one that saves us? Is it the baptism that John started by dunking people in water that will save us? According to John, he says that he baptized us with water, but there is one (Jesus) coming after me who will baptize you with fire. It seems to John, there is a different baptism that Jesus will give us, but it won't be with water, rather with fire. Well, what is this baptism with fire?

I think we can all agree that getting baptized is in direct link with receiving God's spirit (i.e., Jesus' spirit). If that is the case, then what does Jesus say is His spirit? In John 6:63 Jesus says, "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." It seems to state that Jesus' words (or teaching) are what gives us His spirit.
Jesus also says in both John 14 and John 16 that the Holy Spirit's job is to remind people of everything that Jesus taught. Are we starting to get the picture?

When we preach and listen to Jesus' teachings, then we are being baptized (which means 'covered') with God's spirit. This, my friends, is what being baptized with Jesus' baptism is all about.

It seems that the early Church was a little confused about this point, let's be honest, they were confused even up until Jesus' ascension to heaven by asking if He was going to restore Israel (the physical nation) to power now. This confusion on the topic of baptism caused them to continue baptizing people with water, thinking this is what pleased God. Apostle Paul was the first one to recognize and expose this error recorded in His letter to the corinthians when he says in 1 Corinthians 1, " 10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

Paul rightly recognized how water baptism was one of the main issues that divided the early church, and sadly, the current church. People everywhere argue about what type of baptism we are suppose to have, and in what religious way it is suppose to carried out. This profits nothing, rather causes divisions.

Notice how Paul went on to say that he is happy he did not baptize anyone except these certain people. He then goes on to say how Jesus did not send him to baptize people, rather to PREACH THE GOSPEL. To most people, baptizing people is part of preaching the gospel; but to Paul, he didn't see it that way. What He saw was the truth that there is only one Christian baptism, and it is not with water, but with the fire of Jesus' words.

This is the true baptism that we need to share with the nations brothers and sisters.

In Peace
 
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While I am not here to defend the point that Peter was baptized, so therefore he was the first pope, but I would like to question the idea of baptism altogether.

Which baptism is the one that saves us? Is it the baptism that John started by dunking people in water that will save us? According to John, he says that he baptized us with water, but there is one (Jesus) coming after me who will baptize you with fire. It seems to John, there is a different baptism that Jesus will give us, but it won't be with water, rather with fire. Well, what is this baptism with fire?

I think we can all agree that getting baptized is in direct link with receiving God's spirit (i.e., Jesus' spirit). If that is the case, then what does Jesus say is His spirit? In John 6:63 Jesus says, "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." It seems to state that Jesus' words (or teaching) are what gives us His spirit.
Jesus also says in both John 14 and John 16 that the Holy Spirit's job is to remind people of everything that Jesus taught. Are we starting to get the picture?

When we preach and listen to Jesus' teachings, then we are being baptized (which means 'covered') with God's spirit. This, my friends, is what being baptized with Jesus' baptism is all about.

It seems that the early Church was a little confused about this point, let's be honest, they were confused even up until Jesus' ascension to heaven by asking if He was going to restore Israel (the physical nation) to power now. This confusion on the topic of baptism caused them to continue baptizing people with water, thinking this is what pleased God. Apostle Paul was the first one to recognize and expose this error recorded in His letter to the corinthians when he says in 1 Corinthians 1, " 10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

Paul rightly recognized how water baptism was one of the main issues that divided the early church, and sadly, the current church. People everywhere argue about what type of baptism we are suppose to have, and in what religious way it is suppose to carried out. This profits nothing, rather causes divisions.

Notice how Paul went on to say that he is happy he did not baptize anyone except these certain people. He then goes on to say how Jesus did not send him to baptize people, rather to PREACH THE GOSPEL. To most people, baptizing people is part of preaching the gospel; but to Paul, he didn't see it that way. What He saw was the truth that there is only one Christian baptism, and it is not with water, but with the fire of Jesus' words.

This is the true baptism that we need to share with the nations brothers and sisters.

In Peace

Good thoughts for sure but I can not agree.

We are BAPTIZED into the Holy Spirit we very second that we are truely saved.

Water baptism has absolutely nothing to do with being saved. It means we got wet on the outside but we are saved from the INSIDE OUT.
 
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.... but I would like to question the idea of baptism altogether.
Keep seeking - Yahweh's Promise in His Word and in Jesus is that if you keep seeking the truth (from Yahweh, not men) and keep seeking Yahweh's Kingdom you will find it , and the truth will set you free.
 
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The Roman Catholic Church teaches that one must be baptized in order to be saved.

I believe that we should want to be baptized because we are saved and water baptism is not a part of being saved.

Now in thinking about this, I tried to find a Bible verse which tells us when Peter was baptized.
You see, the RCC claims Peter as their 1st Pope and the thought occurred to me that if we go with the RCC teaching that a man must be baptized in order to be saved and their 1st Pope has no record of baptism then according to their own teaching, Peter would not have been saved.

Now wouldn't that be a hoot????

Someone will try to use John 14 to say that that event was baptism. NO friends that will not work at all so please save us the argument over it. John 14 IS NOT baptism but is "Foot washing" and the context and exegesis is not about immersion for the cleansing of sin and salvation in any way.

Who is going to explain this?

Baptism is a sign - an outward sign that one has already been born again and is a follower of Christ.Obedience is a "fruit" in the Matt 7 case - of a tree that has already been made "good".

Luke 7 indicates that Peter was likely baptized by John the baptizer.
29 When all the people and the tax collectors heard this, they acknowledged God’s justice, having been baptized with the baptism of John. 30 But the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected God’s purpose for themselves, not having been baptized by John.
 
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Baptism is a sign - an outward sign that one has already been born again and is a follower of Christ.Obedience is a "fruit" in the Matt 7 case - of a tree that has already been made "good".

Luke 7 indicates that Peter was likely baptized by John the baptizer.
29 When all the people and the tax collectors heard this, they acknowledged God’s justice, having been baptized with the baptism of John. 30 But the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected God’s purpose for themselves, not having been baptized by John.
Note also that those who rejected immersion in Jesus' Name,
were also the same ones who thwarted God's Plan for their own lives,
and also the same ones who rejected Jesus as Messiah.
 
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Baptism is a sign - an outward sign that one has already been born again and is a follower of Christ.Obedience is a "fruit" in the Matt 7 case - of a tree that has already been made "good".

Luke 7 indicates that Peter was likely baptized by John the baptizer.
29 When all the people and the tax collectors heard this, they acknowledged God’s justice, having been baptized with the baptism of John. 30 But the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected God’s purpose for themselves, not having been baptized by John.

You are correct in that Baptism is an outward sign of an inward change.

The point I was making was that the RCC makes baptism a MUST to be saved.
However, there are NO Scriptures which tell us that their 1st Pope was in fact baptized.

The scripture does not provide an answer to this question. It does provide information that enables a reasonable assumption.

IF anyone is basing salvation on an assumption then you have that.
 
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There are various things in Scripture showing that immersion in Jesus' Name does save people from what Scripture says it saves people from . (as well as or besides eternal life/salvation) ...

I don't know many teachers anywhere that say anything about this, but haven't been looking ......
 
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The Roman Catholic Church teaches that one must be baptized in order to be saved.

I believe that we should want to be baptized because we are saved and water baptism is not a part of being saved.

Now in thinking about this, I tried to find a Bible verse which tells us when Peter was baptized.
You see, the RCC claims Peter as their 1st Pope and the thought occurred to me that if we go with the RCC teaching that a man must be baptized in order to be saved and their 1st Pope has no record of baptism then according to their own teaching, Peter would not have been saved.

Now wouldn't that be a hoot????

Someone will try to use John 14 to say that that event was baptism. NO friends that will not work at all so please save us the argument over it. John 14 IS NOT baptism but is "Foot washing" and the context and exegesis is not about immersion for the cleansing of sin and salvation in any way.

Who is going to explain this?
John did water baptism, Jesus taught spirit baptism.
 
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John did water baptism, Jesus taught spirit baptism.
Acts 8:34-40:
As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?” And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him. When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing. Philip, however, appeared at Azotus and traveled about, preaching the gospel in all the towns until he reached Caesarea.

Check the timeline on this and you will find it is after Pentecost...baptism is done with water AND the Holy Spirit (the Spirit sent by God) Examine the baptisms of Acts and you will find the same...where specified.

Perhaps you are already in accord with this teaching, you're post seems to indicate that you believe water is no longer used for baptism.
 
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John did water baptism, Jesus taught spirit baptism.
Jesus not only taught baptism, but he explicitly directed the Apostles to administer it to converts, and he went so far as to give us an example with his own baptism in the River Jordan.
 
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Salvation is to those who "Call on the Name of the LORD." This way of salvation started in Genesis 4 with Abel and became public in Genesis 4:26. It has never changed.
Baptism in the New Testament depicted what the Old Testament saints did when they Called on the Name of YAHWEH, which is they built an altar and brought their sacrifice. It is pictured in the Brazen altar in Moses tabernacle and Solomon's Temple.
We meet JESUS at Baptism. He died so we could live and we die so He can live through us as the body of Christ.
Baptism
John 4:1-2 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, 2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)
John baptized for the remission of sins. When John's ministry was coming to an end and JESUS began His, His ministry also baptized for the remission of sins. Peter would have been baptized then.
Please remember remission of sins happened because it wasthe way of "Calling on the Name of the LORD.
In acts 2:21 Peter's first message was Whosoever shall Call on the Name of the LORD shall be saved. When Peter told the to be baptized he in reality telling them "How to Call on the Name of the LORD"
Also read Acts 22:16 - Paul gets baptized Calling on the Name of the LORD.
 
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(and in the NT, it is written somewhere, that those who WERE NOT IMMERSED, did NOT accept Jesus as Messiah)

Are you referring to Mark 16:16?

16 He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
 
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Are you referring to Mark 16:16?

16 He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
No, but completely in harmony , yes.

Somewhere it is written specifically those who rejected Jesus were not immersed and that they 'thwarted'(in one translation or in comments) God's Plan for their lives.
 
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No, but completely in harmony , yes.

Somewhere it is written specifically those who rejected Jesus were not immersed and that they 'thwarted'(in one translation or in comments) God's Plan for their lives.

I am unfamiliar with that. Please post it when you find it. Thank you.
 
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there is not a record of any apostles conversion account.

AND it should be pointed out that NONE of the Apostles/Disciples were even "Christians" in the "Born again of the Holy Spirit" sense, UNTIL AFTER the Crucifixion / SIN Offering, when it became POSSIBLE to be "born again". John 20:22 records the point at which the INDWELLING Holy Spirit was imparted to the Disciples/Apostles. Acts 2:4 records the coming of the Holy Spirit UPON the disciples who were already INDWELLED by the Holy Spirit.
 
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John did water baptism, Jesus taught spirit baptism.

That is absolutely correct. It is also just as correct they neither said that baptism is needed in order to be saved.

IMO......every born again believer should want to be baptized by immersion.

But that act of getting wet does not save anyone.

To believe it does then in effect mean that "Water" is more important than the BLOOD of Jesus in salvation.
 
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AND it should be pointed out that NONE of the Apostles/Disciples were even "Christians" in the "Born again of the Holy Spirit" sense, UNTIL AFTER the Crucifixion / SIN Offering, when it became POSSIBLE to be "born again". John 20:22 records the point at which the INDWELLING Holy Spirit was imparted to the Disciples/Apostles. Acts 2:4 records the coming of the Holy Spirit UPON the disciples who were already INDWELLED by the Holy Spirit.

They were already filled with the Holy Spirit because they accepted Christ.

Being Born again allows the indwelling of the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation.
 
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AND it should be pointed out that NONE of the Apostles/Disciples were even "Christians" in the "Born again of the Holy Spirit" sense, UNTIL AFTER the Crucifixion / SIN Offering, when it became POSSIBLE to be "born again". John 20:22 records the point at which the INDWELLING Holy Spirit was imparted to the Disciples/Apostles. Acts 2:4 records the coming of the Holy Spirit UPON the disciples who were already INDWELLED by the Holy Spirit.

They were already filled with the Holy Spirit because they accepted Christ.

Being Born again allows the indwelling of the Holy Spirit at the moment of salvation.
 
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