Our God is a living being

CherubRam · Oct 31, 2018

steve78 said:
Creator yes, supernatural no.

Supernatural: (of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

steve78 · Nov 12, 2018

CherubRam said:
Supernatural: (of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

Any sufficiently advanced extraterrestrial intelligence is indistinguishable from God

AskTheFamily · Nov 22, 2018

The point of emphasizing the name of God with the living, is to know, God is not conceptual. Like a chair is a concept with instances of it in variations. God is not a concept, with various instances of it. Hence his name must be alive and living. And Jesus and Samuel both are living instances of his name.

The point of emphasizing he is absolute life with the seat and authority in Quran, it is to emphasizine his authority is not a dry concept and set of dry laws and code, but has a living reminder, to it, and that seat is exalted and great but not GOd, God is above all including his seat of authority that calls to worship him in the proper direction. Abraham was such a leader and David as well, and Talut (Saul) as well.

To be from such a leader is to be from the spirit of God.

AskTheFamily · Nov 22, 2018

steve78 said:
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

Any sufficiently advanced extraterrestrial intelligence is indistinguishable from God

Jinn worshipers might think so but we believe in the Lord of Gabriel and Michael, and the Lord of Mohammad and Ali!

He watches his creation and knows when to destroy nations when they are oppressive and manifests his true kings by displaying powers they have, beyond what he would entrust a person he didn't trust to represent him.

CherubRam · Nov 24, 2018

Elohiym means "God of the Living Ones." I most always shorten it to "God of the Living."

steve78 · Dec 4, 2018

AskTheFamily said:
Jinn worshipers might think so but we believe in the Lord of Gabriel and Michael, and the Lord of Mohammad and Ali!

He watches his creation and knows when to destroy nations when they are oppressive and manifests his true kings by displaying powers they have, beyond what he would entrust a person he didn't trust to represent him.

Your God is a tyrant that likes to behead people and oppress women.

steve78 · Dec 4, 2018

CherubRam said:
Supernatural: (of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

The virgin birth was not supernatural, i know how that was done, neither is demonic possession, i have an idea how that is done.

CherubRam · Dec 4, 2018

steve78 said:
The virgin birth was not supernatural, i know how that was done, neither is demonic possession, i have an idea how that is done.

A Body You Have Prepared For Me.

Psalm 40 commentary.
N.I.V. foot note for Psalms 40:6 reads: “Hebrew; Septuagint: but a body you have prepared for me. (See also Symmachus and Theodotion)” End of quote.

Symmachus the Ebonite was a late 2nd century author of one of the Greek versions of the Old Testament.

Theodotion 200 A.D.
Theodotion was a Jewish scholar, perhaps working in Ephesus, who translated the Hebrew Bible into Greek. Whether he was revising the Septuagint, or was working from Hebrew manuscripts that represented a parallel tradition that has not survived, and is debated. His finished version, which filled some lacunae in the Septuagint version of the Book of Jeremiah and Book of Job, formed one column in Origen's Hexapla. (The Hexapla presented six Hebrew and Greek texts side-by-side: two Greek versions, by Aquila of Sinope and Symmachus, preceding the Septuagint, and Theodotian's version following it, apparently reflecting a contemporary understanding of their historical sequence.

Theodotion's translation was so widely copied in the Early Christian church, that it superseded the Septuagint Book of Daniel. Jerome, in his preface to Daniel records the rejection of the Septuagint version in Christian usage, asserting that its translation was very faulty.

Although Theodotion was Anti-Christ, it may not have occurred to him to change the Hebrew Psalm script from reading: “But a body you have prepared for me.” In Hebrews 10:5 the verse is also repeated. “Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: "Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;”…

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit.

Orthodox Jews claim that He (God) would not father a child upon a human woman. So, the idea of Christ being a human, fathered by the Holy Spirit is not 'impossible', it would just prove God to be a liar. If the lineage goes through Mary, it does not count because tribal lineage only goes through the father, while national lineage only goes through the mother. If it goes through Joseph, it does not count, because Joseph was not his father.

I would like to state that Christians never claimed that God procreated through Mary, but that He (God) created a body in the linage of David. I do not think that that linage ruling was in effect at the time of Christ birth.

2 John 1:7. Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Yahshua Messiah as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

1 John 2:22. Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Yahshua is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son. 23. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
24. See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25. And this is what he even promised us—eternal life.
26. I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27. As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you.

The Masoretes Version

Psalms 40:6. Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but my ears you have pierced;
burnt offerings and sin offerings
you did not require.
7. Then I said, "Here I am, I have come—
it is written about me in the scroll.

If those who are the Anti-Christ deny that the Messiah would come in bodily form, then it is very likely for them to have changed the Hebrew text of Psalms 40:6 to read: “but my ears you have pierced”…

Long before the Christian era the scripture read: "a body you have prepared for me." The Masoretes Version is a late entry into the bible.

Jane_the_Bane · Dec 5, 2018

CherubRam said:
There is nothing to prove, man made gods are fiction. [Emphasis added]

You are on to something there, and I am not (just) talking about a run-of-the-mill atheist conclusion. There is a mysticism of self-aware fictionality, and insight to be gained by becoming aware of the made-up nature of certain effigies or concepts. Zen would be a good example of this, with its meditation techniques aimed at piercing the conceptual cage each and every one of us is trapped in.

I think this thread has got an interesting (if unintended) potential for discussion.
Were the ancients aware that the statues they built were not actual deities, but just images aimed at representing something larger? I'd say they clearly were. Even accounts that talk about pagans marveling at statues "drinking" offerings and the like are not that different from Catholics visiting "weeping" representations of the virgin Mary or something to that effect. Now, Evangelicals may think Catholics are just filthy pagans and idolaters, anyway, but regardless of that, I'm pretty sure few (if any) of them think that a wooden Madonna is actually the mother of Jesus returned to earth.

Now, those biblical passages tell us a lot about the evolution of the Abrahamic faith, the journey from henotheism to monotheism, the conflation of El and YHVH, and the peculiar taboo against figurative representation. Like with other deities of those ancient times, there *was* a site that believers considered YHVH's physical dwelling place, even if it was empty.

Jane_the_Bane · Dec 5, 2018

steve78 said:
The virgin birth was not supernatural, i know how that was done, neither is demonic possession, i have an idea how that is done.

Well, natural parthenogenesis would mean that Jesus had X0 chromosomes and was born seemingly female, AND a clone of his mother. Because that's how this works if we go only with natural processes and neither a physical father nor God's supernatural interference involved.

CherubRam · Dec 5, 2018

Jane_the_Bane said:
You are on to something there, and I am not (just) talking about a run-of-the-mill atheist conclusion. There is a mysticism of self-aware fictionality, and insight to be gained by becoming aware of the made-up nature of certain effigies or concepts. Zen would be a good example of this, with its meditation techniques aimed at piercing the conceptual cage each and every one of us is trapped in.

I think this thread has got an interesting (if unintended) potential for discussion.
Were the ancients aware that the statues they built were not actual deities, but just images aimed at representing something larger? I'd say they clearly were. Even accounts that talk about pagans marveling at statues "drinking" offerings and the like are not that different from Catholics visiting "weeping" representations of the virgin Mary or something to that effect. Now, Evangelicals may think Catholics are just filthy pagans and idolaters, anyway, but regardless of that, I'm pretty sure few (if any) of them think that a wooden Madonna is actually the mother of Jesus returned to earth.

Now, those biblical passages tell us a lot about the evolution of the Abrahamic faith, the journey from henotheism to monotheism, the conflation of El and YHVH, and the peculiar taboo against figurative representation. Like with other deities of those ancient times, there *was* a site that believers considered YHVH's physical dwelling place, even if it was empty.

I am not really sure what other people think. I see a statue, but they may see their god.

Jane_the_Bane · Dec 6, 2018

CherubRam said:
I am not really sure what other people think. I see a statue, but they may see their god.

And yet, they do not, no more so than you see "America" when you look at the star-spangled banner. (They'll still feel extremely offended if you were to destroy these symbols, of course, for exactly the same reason as the patriot seeing his flag set on fire.)

FredVB · Dec 13, 2018

CherubRam said:
The bible emphasizes that our God is a living being, unlike the Pagan gods made of wood or stone.

Yahwah reveals His name to Moses
Exodus 3:13-15.
13 And Moses said to Elohiym, “Suppose I go to the siblings of the Israelites and say to them, 'The Elohiym of your forefathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?”
14 And Elohiym said to Moses, “The Living that Lives. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'The Living has sent me to you.”
15 And Elohiym also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, 'Yahwah, the Elohiym of your forefathers; the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac and the Elohiym of Jacob has sent me to you.' That’s my name forever, the name by which I’m to be remembered, from generation to generation.”

Deuteronomy 5:26
For what mortal has ever heard the voice of the living God speaking out of fire, as we have, and survived?
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Joshua 3:10
This is how you will know that the living God is among you and that he will certainly drive out before you the Canaanites, Hittites, Hivites, Perizzites, Girgashites, Amorites and Jebusites.
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1 Samuel 17:26
David asked the men standing near him, “What will be done for the man who kills this Philistine and removes this disgrace from Israel? Who is this uncircumcised Philistine that he should defy the armies of the living God?”
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1 Samuel 17:36
Your servant has killed both the lion and the bear; this uncircumcised Philistine will be like one of them, because he has defied the armies of the living God.
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2 Kings 19:4
It may be that the Lord your God will hear all the words of the field commander, whom his master, the king of Assyria, has sent to ridicule the living God, and that he will rebuke him for the words the Lord your God has heard. Therefore pray for the remnant that still survives.”
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2 Kings 19:16
Give ear, Lord, and hear; open your eyes, Lord, and see; listen to the words Sennacherib has sent to ridicule the living God.
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Psalm 42:2
My soul thirsts for God, for the living God. When can I go and meet with God?
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Psalm 84:2
My soul yearns, even faints, for the courts of the Lord; my heart and my flesh cry out for the living God.
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Isaiah 37:4
It may be that the Lord your God will hear the words of the field commander, whom his master, the king of Assyria, has sent to ridicule the living God, and that he will rebuke him for the words the Lord your God has heard. Therefore pray for the remnant that still survives.”
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Isaiah 37:17
Give ear, Lord, and hear; open your eyes, Lord, and see; listen to all the words Sennacherib has sent to ridicule the living God.
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Jeremiah 10:10
But the Lord is the true God; he is the living God, the eternal King. When he is angry, the earth trembles; the nations cannot endure his wrath.
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Jeremiah 23:36
But you must not mention ‘a message from the Lord’ again, because each one’s word becomes their own message. So you distort the words of the living God, the Lord Almighty, our God.
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Daniel 6:20
When he came near the den, he called to Daniel in an anguished voice, “Daniel, servant of the living God, has your God, whom you serve continually, been able to rescue you from the lions?”
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Daniel 6:26
“I issue a decree that in every part of my kingdom people must fear and reverence the God of Daniel. “For he is the living God and he endures forever; his kingdom will not be destroyed, his dominion will never end.
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Hosea 1:10
“Yet the Israelites will be like the sand on the seashore, which cannot be measured or counted. In the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ they will be called ‘children of the living God.’
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Matthew 16:16
Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
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Matthew 26:63
But Jesus remained silent. The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.”
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Acts 14:15
“Friends, why are you doing this? We too are only human, like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made the heavens and the earth and the sea and everything in them.
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Romans 9:26
and, “In the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ there they will be called ‘children of the living God.’”
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2 Corinthians 3:3
You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
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2 Corinthians 6:16
What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.”
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1 Timothy 3:15
if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.
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1 Timothy 4:10
That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.
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Hebrews 3:12
See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God.
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Hebrews 9:14
How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!
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Yahweh is the living God. There are idols of people, but these are not the source of life, as Yahweh, over all the universe, of the creation, is. Though Yahweh is not in essense a biologically living organism, in essense not being physical, not being of creation which all that is physical is, there is no life, or any other existence possible, but from Yahweh, the one true God, the Living God.

FredVB · Dec 14, 2018

steve78 said:
Creator yes, supernatural no.

CherubRam said:
Supernatural: (of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

Natural is what applies to processes in creation the way it works in a continuous manner. What the Creator does beyond that, which the Creator does, is not what can be called natural, so this would be supernatural.

FredVB · Dec 15, 2018

Jane_the_Bane said:
There is a mysticism of self-aware fictionality, ... with its meditation techniques aimed at piercing the conceptual cage each and every one of us is trapped in.

I think this thread has got an interesting (if unintended) potential for discussion.

We all have our conceptions we stay trapped in, you would not be an exception to it. These are such that we can yet still break out of with growth, finding what is really truth that we were missing before, and living accordingly. It has been surprising to me how growth is like this, for many years, including in the last year, there has yet been such changes for me, while still more people are missing those. Hopefully more people will grow to be more open to such things they were missing before.

Well, natural parthenogenesis would mean that Jesus had X0 chromosomes and was born seemingly female, AND a clone of his mother. Because that's how this works if we go only with natural processes and neither a physical father nor God's supernatural interference involved.

Jesus came in the incarnation, it was supernatural, Jesus certainly was a male human being. We are told, which we believe, that Jesus came fully as the representation of the image of God among humanity. It was fully right to have him for the image to worship, that it never was and never will be for any other being or thing. There is nothing else representing God so fully.

dlamberth · Dec 15, 2018

FredVB said:
We all have our conceptions we stay trapped in, you would not be an exception to it. These are such that we can yet still break out of with growth, finding what is really truth that we were missing before, and living accordingly. It has been surprising to me how growth is like this, for many years, including in the last year, there has yet been such changes for me, while still more people are missing those. Hopefully more people will grow to be more open to such things they were missing before.

There's so much truth in what your saying here. As I've opened my mind in my growth in God, I truly have found truth that was missing previously in my awareness. I'm finding that when I touch the Earth, I'm touching Sacred Space...a Divine Space. And that God is present in the Earth. And everything upon this Earth is a manifestation of the Divine Spirit in physical form. And that every physical form has an invisible dimension. And the invisible dimension is the Divine dimension.

FredVB · Dec 17, 2018

FredVB said:
We all have our conceptions we stay trapped in, you would not be an exception to it. These are such that we can yet still break out of with growth, finding what is really truth that we were missing before, and living accordingly. It has been surprising to me how growth is like this, for many years, including in the last year, there has yet been such changes for me, while still more people are missing those. Hopefully more people will grow to be more open to such things they were missing before.

Jesus came in the incarnation, it was supernatural, Jesus certainly was a male human being. We are told, which we believe, that Jesus came fully as the representation of the image of God among humanity. It was fully right to have him for the image to worship, that it never was and never will be for any other being or thing. There is nothing else representing God so fully.

dlamberth said:
There's so much truth in what your saying here. As I've opened my mind in my growth in God, I truly have found truth that was missing previously in my awareness. I'm finding that when I touch the Earth, I'm touching Sacred Space...a Divine Space. And that God is present in the Earth. And everything upon this Earth is a manifestation of the Divine Spirit in physical form. And that every physical form has an invisible dimension. And the invisible dimension is the Divine dimension.

There are yet many more things, that people are missing. I never think I am an exception, and I still want to learn more of what I should come to know. There are groups of people that know something that is not generally understood among society. But with knowing that other thing, they as a whole are missing in knowing something that is known to another group of people, which do not as a whole have the knowledge of the truth held by the other group. And so on for other things.

Knowledge of God is important. Many remain in ignorance willingly dismissing God. Still others not doing that get entangled with religion with teachings or practices that keep them from really hearing from God and truly living accordingly.

I am touching the earth much more than most people, few are the others that do so as much, or yet further.

There isn't compassion that does not arbitrarily exclude God's creatures, most of whom suffer so much needlessly for the selfish desires with using them that is among people in society, when that is not better for us.

We make requirements of each other that are not needed, or better for us, including anything fot one another's appearances.

Jane_the_Bane · Dec 19, 2018

steve78 said:
Mary was abducted by Gabriel, taken aboard a spacecraft and then impregnated with sperm from God himself.

That sounds very Mormon, and also more than mildly blasphemous.
So, you think God has testicles?

FredVB · Feb 29, 2020

Mary was abducted by Gabriel, taken aboard a spacecraft and then impregnated with sperm from God himself.

Jane_the_Bane said:
That sounds very Mormon, and also more than mildly blasphemous.
So, you think God has testicles?

Of course, images that are understood to represent God are not the essential nature of existence that is God, and most do not think that. There is nothing of real Christianity that speaks of God physically begetting Jesus with Mary his mother. It is generally understood in Christianity that there was divine incarnation of the Word with God who is God directly within Mary, it was not necessary for it to involve DNA derived from her, though it is not provable that it didn't, and if it happened that way God the Creator of all could create further DNA for the incarnate form.

That there are physical images does not show that people are not understanding that there is the real essential nature of existence, that this is really God, and only this necessary being is reason for them or anything of the universe with all that is in it to exist. Images are just that, which show something of what God is, if such do that much, it was never right to act if images that were made are the uncreated one who is the Creator of all. Jesus himself is distinct, with actually being the incarnation directly from God, that represents what could be understood about God as a personal being, more than anything there has ever been.

FredVB · Mar 1, 2020

People who have a problem with what the Bible shows generally have any conception of God in conflict with other conceptions of God, they cannot see that God is both unlimited being that explains all that originally had a beginning, with power over all, and is really personal as much as any are, without limitation in that. And being unlimited, God can have an incarnation to show himself as a person among his creatures who are made as persons, being like them, to show what the person that God is would be like. God the personal and unlimited being can do that, and so did, also with the incarnation having come for the restoration to relationship with God to be available to us. And this never needed a sexual act or even genetic material derived from a human creature who would be a parent to the infant that the incarnation from God started as.

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