Abortions????

Isaiah Lovelace said:

I know this is going to open a can of worms, but I just had a thought. Christians who are against abortions, I'm curious as to why you would rather a child suffer in this life, rather than being sent to heaven before enduring any suffering? As far as I can remember children are granted automatic entry into heaven until they can be held accountable. So why deny a child a chance to have a loving home with your heavenly father instead of being raised in foster care, or worse? I don't get it.

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It sounds like you have a misunderstanding of the biblical doctrine of murder and being with God in heaven after death. First of all, Christians (who adhere to the Christianity that is revealed in God's word) do not support abortion because it is murder and all life is to be protected (except in instances of capital punishment) because we are God's image bearers.

Secondly, all are condemned under the wrath of God because we all sinned in Adam. No infant is granted a "free entry" into heaven because all infants are condemned by God unless they are given the gift of salvation in Christ (which doesn't have to wait to happen until they reach the age of understanding; this can happen at the moment one is conceived if God chooses to do so in his infinite wisdom).

Now that that's straightened out, let's look at the scenario which is proposed by your post. If abortion would be the lesser of the two evils since it grants the child instant entry into heaven instead of enduring the sufferings of this earth and possibly having the child miss out completely on heaven--why, would it not be best then to kill all children at a very young age?

This sort of mis-understanding of Christianity is what makes people outside of the faith feel very negatively toward Christians (and rightly so!); I believe I may have heard of some parent who professed they were Christian kill their child because they wanted to spare them possibly losing their faith. Disgusting. If this is all I knew of Christianity, I may be for it being banned too and having people who support it imprisoned.

Isaiah Lovelace said:

I know this is going to open a can of worms, but I just had a thought. Christians who are against abortions, I'm curious as to why you would rather a child suffer in this life, rather than being sent to heaven before enduring any suffering? As far as I can remember children are granted automatic entry into heaven until they can be held accountable. So why deny a child a chance to have a loving home with your heavenly father instead of being raised in foster care, or worse? I don't get it.

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I wouldn't rather a child suffer, but the question is why you assume that they will. Is there something wrong with adoption? You believe every single child ever adopted had a life full of suffering? The problem here is you have set yourself up as the arbitrator on suffering, but you don't get to decide on someone else's life, if what they experience is suffering or not, only they do. People have aborted children with spina bifida to prevent their 'suffering' but talk to people with spina bifida and the overwhelming majority don't view themselves as suffering. There are numerous famous people with spina bifida, perhaps it would have been better if they had been aborted? To answer the question, we would deny murder because every person deserves a chance at life.

As to abortion not equalling suffering, have you actually looked into what they do in an abortion? Past a certain gestational age, the skull is crushed and limbs are amputated and the bits all suctioned out. Later ones the babies are poisoned with a toxic saline solution and are meant to be delivered dead. Have you read about abortion survivors? The abortion survivor whose mum thought she was dead Babies still alive and tossed in the trash and left to die? There is a debate over what age the fetus begins to feel pain, with the age possibly being as young as 12-14 weeks to as late as 20 weeks. Certainly, premature infants born at 24 weeks feel pain and newborns have been shown to feel pain more acutely than adults. Use to be doctors somehow thought newborns didn't really feel pain, this led to surgery without anaesthetic and newborns being paralyzed or strapped down for surgery and given sugar water on a pacifier. Barbaric. Anyone with an eye can see that newborns feel pain, try being around a nursery getting the PKU test when they prick the babies heels. You still think every aborted baby did not suffer? Abortion is not some peaceful passing but a violent atrocity.

Isaiah Lovelace said:

I know this is going to open a can of worms, but I just had a thought. Christians who are against abortions, I'm curious as to why you would rather a child suffer in this life, rather than being sent to heaven before enduring any suffering? As far as I can remember children are granted automatic entry into heaven until they can be held accountable. So why deny a child a chance to have a loving home with your heavenly father instead of being raised in foster care, or worse? I don't get it.

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I once thought that same thing. Then, I realized that neither the mother nor the doctor are the deciders of life nor death of a child in the womb. Do you think the mother and the doctor and the nurses and the staff and the hospitals and the government officials are going to be held blameless? God sanctified life, not death by abortion. The bible says God decides who will be a leader and when, and who will be removed from power and when. God decides, not man. The opportunity to decide not to bring life into this world begins with the decision to not do what causes life. But remember this, 99 percent of abortions were the responsibility of the man, well before the woman had the chance and choice to choose death by doctor. And the man, the father, is going to be held accountable.

I used to be devoutly pro choice. Then at my 20 week scan I had a life changing experience. The Bible teaches that only HE is to make that decision. As a result of my personal experience with life and death I am strictly pro life. It was definitely hard to change my mind. Neither the family or the doctor can decide if life is worth living or not. Only the Holy Spirit is able to decide what constitutes a life. I prayed for a miracle after the diagnosis.

ItIsFinished! said:

What does God say about abortion?

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It’s murder.

Isaiah Lovelace said:

I know this is going to open a can of worms, but I just had a thought. Christians who are against abortions, I'm curious as to why you would rather a child suffer in this life, rather than being sent to heaven before enduring any suffering? As far as I can remember children are granted automatic entry into heaven until they can be held accountable. So why deny a child a chance to have a loving home with your heavenly father instead of being raised in foster care, or worse? I don't get it.

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As you probably know, many young woman who have had abortions regret it later. The Bible Speaks of God The Father knowing His children before the world was formed. Living a life in Christ and growing according to God’s Will is why we’re here. The world is a proving ground and shrouded in darkness. God The Father Will not lose any of His Children. All that are given to Christ, He makes ready for The Father.

marineimaging said:

I once thought that same thing. Then, I realized that neither the mother nor the doctor are the deciders of life nor death of a child in the womb. Do you think the mother and the doctor and the nurses and the staff and the hospitals and the government officials are going to be held blameless? God sanctified life, not death by abortion. The bible says God decides who will be a leader and when, and who will be removed from power and when. God decides, not man. The opportunity to decide not to bring life into this world begins with the decision to not do what causes life. But remember this, 99 percent of abortions were the responsibility of the man, well before the woman had the chance and choice to choose death by doctor. And the man, the father, is going to be held accountable.

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How is the father accountable? He can’t even prevent it if he wants to do so? He has no rights or control.

lsume said:

As you probably know, many young woman who have had abortions regret it later. The Bible Speaks of God The Father knowing His children before the world was formed. Living a life in Christ and growing according to God’s Will is why we’re here. The world is a proving ground and shrouded in darkness. God The Father Will not lose any of His Children. All that are given to Christ, He makes ready for The Father.

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Unless they choose to walk away for the reasons Jesus said people do. He is not a tyrant who forces those who prefer to leave to stay.

Dorothy Mae said:

How is the father accountable? He can’t even prevent it if he wants to do so? He has no rights or control.

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How, on God's green earth, does a woman get pregnant without a man? Men keeping to themselves until marriage is the beginning. Men creating a home that is solid at Christ centered is two. Men providing for the family and insuring that children are born into a welcome home is three. According to biblical teaching men have everything to do with bringing life into this world including the rights and the control. Men teaching their sons to be men according to God are one of the best ways to eliminate abortion in this world.

marineimaging said:

How, on God's green earth, does a woman get pregnant without a man? Men keeping to themselves until marriage is the beginning. Men creating a home that is solid at Christ centered is two. Men providing for the family and insuring that children are born into a welcome home is three. According to biblical teaching men have everything to do with bringing life into this world including the rights and the control. Men teaching their sons to be men according to God are one of the best ways to eliminate abortion in this world.

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Amen brother.
Amen.

Dorothy Mae said:

How is the father accountable? He can’t even prevent it if he wants to do so? He has no rights or control.

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What do you mean the father has no rights?

ItIsFinished! said:

What do you mean the father has no rights?

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Legally in an abortion scenario, in the end, the father has no rights to say whether the woman has an abortion or not.

NW82 said:

Legally in an abortion scenario, in the end, the father has no rights to say whether the woman has an abortion or not.

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Secular law perhaps.

QUOTE="marineimaging, post: 73470338, member: 355761"]I once thought that same thing. Then, I realized that neither the mother nor the doctor are the deciders of life nor death of a child in the womb. Do you think the mother and the doctor and the nurses and the staff and the hospitals and the government officials are going to be held blameless? God sanctified life, not death by abortion. The bible says God decides who will be a leader and when, and who will be removed from power and when. God decides, not man. The opportunity to decide not to bring life into this world begins with the decision to not do what causes life. But remember this, 99 percent of abortions were the responsibility of the man, well before the woman had the chance and choice to choose death by doctor. And the man, the father, is going to be held accountable.[/QUOTE
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Amen.

And many* might be held accountable for the bloodshed also, for failure to provide as directed in Scripture...
*churches, groups, friends, towns, cities, family members, and so on...

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Secular law perhaps.

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That is the only place it is considered so. Spiritually, the man who enters into a relationship and begets a baby and runs away is going to be held responsible. Galatians 6:7 says, “Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked."

Ephesians 5:25-33
"Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, that he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones."

"A man reaps what he sows.” The man might think he is in the clear because of the law of the land but he is going to be held responsible for the baby, and for everything that changed in the life of the woman and her parents and siblings..., for the future of the child in all ways. If he sows deceit and cowardice in his relationship he will reap deceit and cowardice in his children. And if his children are killed in the womb when he ran away from his responsibility he will be accounted guilty.

marineimaging said:

That is the only place it is considered so. Spiritually, the man who enters into a relationship and begets a baby and runs away is going to be held responsible. Galatians 6:7 says, “Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked."

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AMEN.

What happens when they mock God and mock and disobey His Word ?

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Secular law perhaps.

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Well obviously.

NW82 said:

Well obviously.

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Just clarifying.

Those who made those secular laws, and those who go along with those secular laws (opposed to God) perish. (unless , if God permits, they totally repent)

Dorothy Mae said:

How is the father accountable? He can’t even prevent it if he wants to do so? He has no rights or control.

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I first read your question as if it were promoting abortion and stating that in your opinion the father has no rights (anti-father). This morning I read it again and see your response could be against abortion and for the father (pro-father) who has had his rights taken away. If my answer seemed harsh I apologize but I would like to ask what you meant so that I can understand your response better if you don't mind.

"Spiritually" It is God who give and takes life.......to think that others can would be to dishonor God and lessen His Power........would it not?