1 John 3:9, John says Christians cannot sin

1 John 3:9 says a Christian cannot sin.


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We should study to show ourselves approved too but that doesn’t mean studying the counterfeits. Sorry but no thanks.

I agree, but don't you care about those who believe the counterfeits? Are you going to be able to show them the truth?
 
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I agree, but don't you care about those who believe the counterfeits? Are you going to be able to show them the truth?
From a verse perhaps but not from the presentation of reformed theology that you presented. Twisted theology is sometimes worse than ostrich theology and slightly less appealing than sand theology.
 
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Hot could be Paul, and cold would be Saul, and lukewarm would be most posters.

Laodecia had a stream that started out cold and refreshing, but by the time it went through the hot sun it became lukewarm, not hot enough to make a good broth or tea.


Cold is refreshing to a parched tongue and represents repentance. Acts 3:19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord

Hot is boldness for Christ and truth, and represents ready for ministry. Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place where they were assembled together was shaken; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word of God with boldness.
 
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From a verse perhaps but not from the presentation of reformed theology that you presented. Twisted theology is sometimes worse than ostrich theology and slightly less appealing than sand theology.

The quote is based on twisted scripture. Are you going to be able to untwist it for them?
 
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The quote is based on twisted scripture. Are you going to be able to untwist it for them?
On what basis? What you are offering is entanglement with the world or Ba’al’ish in calling another Master.
 
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1 John 3:9 says, "Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God."

What do you say? Do you agree, or disagree? Take the poll.
This refers to our regenerated human spirits.

1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
With our souls and bodies we can still choose to sin, but the regeneration of our spirits makes us partakers of the divine nature.

2Pe_1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.​

Which also means that we are not driven to sin with the nature of the old man since he has been crucified with Christ. In other words, the born again believer does not have a sin nature. But one does not need a sin nature to sin. Adam and Eve were made perfect with no sin nature, yet through deception on her part and by choice on his part they sinned.

This is what Jesus meant when he washed Peter's feet and Peter objected.

Joh 13:10 Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.

Our is a metaphor for our getting dirty (sinning) because of walking through the filth of this world. We are clean inside, but still need to frequently wash the outside. This is why it seems John is contradicting himself when he says:

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.​
Then in the third chapter says:

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.​

It is the efficacy of the blood of Christ that enables our pure relationship with God.
 
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Laodecia had a stream that started out cold and refreshing, but by the time it went through the hot sun it became lukewarm, not hot enough to make a good broth or tea.


Cold is refreshing to a parched tongue and represents repentance. Acts 3:19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord

Hot is boldness for Christ and truth, and represents ready for ministry. Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place where they were assembled together was shaken; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word of God with boldness.
Sorry. I thought you were asking me a question.
You can have the soapbox.
 
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Send them to that lawyer sitting nearby :wave: :^_^:

I asked what you think am I offering? If you think it is that quote from the Reformation, you would be wrong. I merely showed what belief and teaching was passed down to today's Church, though not everyone believes it - I don't.
 
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1 John 3:9 says, "Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God."

What do you say? Do you agree, or disagree? Take the poll.[/USER]

The fact is that you cannot interpret the scripture yourself.
 
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It is not as complicated as people are making it out to be.

Wilful sinning is a practise that leads a person to revert to a mind governed by the flesh and this mind is an enemy of God (Romans 8).

John in context to 1 John 3:9 is saying do not carry with you hatred for another least your very heart condemns you before God.

The efficacy of denying that we sin on the flip side is a wilful practise to filter out things concealed in the heart and John is saying -

If we claim we have not sinned (in the heart), we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:10)

John is equating sin in 1 John 3:9 as a brazen attempt to flagrantly sin in the heart whilst deceptively reporting a form of godliness on the outside so to speak. He is pointing to superficial believers who hide their sins in their heart and John in 1 John 3:9 is addressing the sins committed in the heart and the example he uses is when one committs murder by holding onto hatred and grudges for another while acting out to play good on the outer by reporting that no sin is being committed, which is a lie off course as John addresses it within his own congregation.
 
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It is not as complicated as people are making it out to be.

Wilful sinning is a practise that leads a person to revert to a mind governed by the flesh and this mind is an enemy of God (Romans 8).

John in context to 1 John 3:9 is saying do not carry with you hatred for another least your very heart condemns you before God.

The efficacy of denying that we sin on the flip side is a wilful practise to filter out things concealed in the heart and John is saying -

If we claim we have not sinned (in the heart), we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:10)

John is equating sin in 1 John 3:9 as a brazen attempt to flagrantly sin in the heart whilst deceptively reporting a form of godliness on the outside so to speak. He is pointing to superficial believers who hide their sins in their heart and John in 1 John 3:9 is addressing the sins committed in the heart and the example he uses is when one committs murder by holding onto hatred and grudges for another while acting out to play good on the outer by reporting that no sin is being committed, which is a lie off course as John addresses it within his own congregation.

The western mindset of figuratively biting someone on the low without being flagged is what John was addressing in those who sin in the heart by holding onto hatred and grudges whilst reporting a deceptive form of godliness on the outside.

This optimizes the western cultural day to day discourses in how they play their covert mind games by concealing the sins of their hearts by playing out nice and smiling whilst being venomous vipers who bite on the low. John was addressing true hypocrites within his own congregation.

Bravo John !
 
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Did Jesus die so we could continue sinning, but still go to heaven? That is what some believe.

We all sin, you cant stop it, its impossible, you will always be a sinner.

We where born in sin and will die in sin.

You will never ever stop sin, you can only be forgiven for it.

There is only one who never sinned, that is Jesus.

If you stop one sin, you will do another, and not even know it.

So what will you do next time you sin? Pretend you are not a sinner? Are you saying you will never sin again?
 
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The fact is that you cannot interpret the scripture yourself.

It looks easy enough in context:

4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
 
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We all sin, you cant stop it, its impossible, you will always be a sinner.

We where born in sin and will die in sin.

You will never ever stop sin, you can only be forgiven for it.

There is only one who never sinned, that is Jesus.

If you stop one sin, you will do another, and not even know it.

So what will you do next time you sin? Pretend you are not a sinner? Are you saying you will never sin again?

I would really like to know what denominational background you have that taught you this. It is the opposite of John's teaching, and Paul's also, so who are you listening to?
 
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I would really like to know what denominational background you have that taught you this. It is the opposite of John's teaching, and Paul's also, so who are you listening to?

I'm listing to Jesus when he said I am the only way, if you belive in me then you are saved.

Are you not a sinner?
 
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