How to Spank a Child Biblically?

Brightmoon · Dec 10, 2018

I’m a Christian why else.? I’m well aware that there’s very little verifiable evidence for people in the Bible . Even the creation story is more fairytale than an accurate history . These are dogmas . All dogmas are opinions . Opinions aren’t facts

Logic Over Emotionalism · Dec 10, 2018

Brightmoon said:
Child psychologists are saying spanking is harmful . I suppose they know more about what’s bad for children than a book character who might have been imaginary

Here are articles where the experts are in agreement that spanking does good:

Spanking makes kids perform better in school, helps them become more successful: study - NY Daily News

Evidence Favoring the Use of Disciplinary Spanking « GoodParent.org

Spanked children are more successful - study | DESTINY Magazine

Logic Over Emotionalism · Dec 10, 2018

Brightmoon said:
I’m a Christian why else.? I’m well aware that there’s very little verifiable evidence for people in the Bible . Even the creation story is more fairytale than an accurate history . These are dogmas . All dogmas are opinions . Opinions aren’t facts

Actually there is much biblical evidence and archaeologist have uncovered valuable evidence showing biblical people existed and events. But this is not the thread for this discussion. If you would like many articles on biblical events and people let me know.

New Evidence Suggests Biblical Great Flood Happened

Brightmoon · Dec 10, 2018

Spanking is abuse pure and simple !

Brightmoon · Dec 10, 2018

Logic Over Emotionalism said:
Actually there is much biblical evidence and archaeologist have uncovered valuable evidence showing biblical people existed and events. But this is not the thread for this discussion. If you would like many articles on biblical events and people let me know.

New Evidence Suggests Biblical Great Flood Happened

. No thanks I’m trained as a scientist I know what you got wrong and why .

Logic Over Emotionalism · Dec 10, 2018

Brightmoon said:
View attachment 246791 View attachment 246792 View attachment 246793 Spanking is abuse pure and simple !

Citing a study from a "expert" yet other studies from other "experts" disagree is an opinion not a factual statement as other studies show spanking is useful when others do not. Opinions is all you have.

Logic Over Emotionalism · Dec 10, 2018

Brightmoon said:
. No thanks I’m trained as a scientist I know what you got wrong and why .

Argument from a position of authority is a weak argument. I would assume you would know that. I don’t think slapping a PhD from Ferris State or any others next to your name makes you an expert in all things in the field in which you propose to speak. The fact is, either my argument’s good or my argument’s bad. Citing to your or my credentials is a really bad way of making an argument. So you make a very weak point.

mama2one · Dec 10, 2018

we hug child daily - before school, after school, evening
have never spanked

pointless to convince someone who spanks their kids how damaging it can be

time will tell

Logic Over Emotionalism · Dec 11, 2018

christine40 said:
pointless to convince someone who spanks their kids how damaging it can be

time will tell

Or how beneficial spanking can be according to some studies. My kids I have been told by other parents and teachers that my children behave better then other kids their age. If done correctly spanking can be highly beneficial.

Spanking makes kids perform better in school, helps them become more successful: study - NY Daily News

mama2one · Dec 11, 2018

Logic Over Emotionalism said:
My kids I have been told by other parents and teachers that my children behave better then other kids their age. If done correctly spanking can be highly beneficial.

is that your goal to have "others" praise your kids?

boys in my kid's class get in trouble at school and then get spanked at home when parents get teacher's note
they cry in class cause they know what's coming
3 mos in and those same boys still acting out in class so spanking really works

Study links spanking to later mental disorders

I predict many of those boys getting spanked today in 4th grade will have serious issues from it once they hit middle school/high school (see article)

our parenting works because positive parenting, role modeling, and bonding have all led to co-operation

Brightmoon · Dec 11, 2018

Logic Over Emotionalism said:
Argument from a position of authority is a weak argument. I would assume you would know that. I don’t think slapping a PhD from Ferris State or any others next to your name makes you an expert in all things in the field in which you propose to speak. The fact is, either my argument’s good or my argument’s bad. Citing to your or my credentials is a really bad way of making an argument. So you make a very weak point.

I rejected a long refuted pseudoscience explanation with no verifiable evidence and I explained why . I wasn’t arguing just pointing out that I’m very very familiar with the real science. You can believe what you want but to do science you have to have verifiable evidence and facts

Logic Over Emotionalism · Dec 11, 2018

christine40 said:
is that your goal to have "others" praise your kids?

boys in my kid's class get in trouble at school and then get spanked at home when parents get teacher's note
they cry in class cause they know what's coming
3 mos in and those same boys still acting out in class so spanking really works

Study links spanking to later mental disorders

I predict many of those boys getting spanked today in 4th grade will have serious issues from it once they hit middle school/high school (see article)

our parenting works because positive parenting, role modeling, and bonding have all led to co-operation

First if I did it for praise I wouldn't be here but seeking attention in real life. But my kids are home learning ASL and other life skills not in public asking for attention. There is a difference between begging for attention and receiving it without. Is it wrong for me to point out the success of my family on this parenting subfourm? Of course not. As it shows that spanking can work if done correctly.

Are you at everyone's homes watching them get spanked or interrogating the parents? Kids crying about getting in trouble does not really reflect on what goes on in the homes of these kids. Unless you see it happen or have a discussion with the parents you do not know as the over active imagination of what might happen when they get home is not a clear picture.

You ignore other studies that I have pointed out that show otherwise. Here they are again:

Spanking makes kids perform better in school, helps them become more successful: study - NY Daily News

Evidence Favoring the Use of Disciplinary Spanking « GoodParent.org

Spanked children are more successful - study | DESTINY Magazine

For your last statement on your "parenting works"... As you stated earlier "is your goal to have "others" praise your kids?" Or parenting? Sure seems that way as you pointed out how other parents are failures cause you assume they spank their kids and how your "parenting works".

Logic Over Emotionalism · Dec 11, 2018

Brightmoon said:
but to do science you have to have verifiable evidence and facts

Exactly as to what you have not done as some studies are for spanking and there are some against it. You have shown nothing on here that shows facts or verifiable evidence of your stance just opinions.

When you make a statement like "I’m trained as a scientist I know what you got wrong and why" without stating any facts as to support your position you are making a argument from a position of authority which is a weak position to have.

Dave-W · Dec 11, 2018

Logic Over Emotionalism said:
As it shows that spanking can work if done correctly.

What is "correctly," and what would be incorrect?

I am assuming a dad whipping his child with a belt to near the point of unconsciousness would be incorrect?

Where do you draw the line?

If you come at the subject with a Logic Over Emotion viewpoint, any kind of emotional trauma the child experiences gets discounted if the procedure "works" in limiting the bad behavior.

Logic Over Emotionalism · Dec 11, 2018

Dave-W said:
What is "correctly," and what would be incorrect?

I am assuming a dad whipping his child with a belt to near the point of unconsciousness would be incorrect?

Where do you draw the line?

According to the studies that supports spanking it is a two swat spank by parents who are well intentioned. So yes that means you do not beat your child or do anything out of anger. When I spank my children I do so out of love and the desire of wanting them to make better life decisions. So after I am done spanking I talk to them and let them speak so they can learn from it. Many parents who do it wrong do so out of anger or beat the child which is not spanking but abuse.

mama2one · Dec 11, 2018

Logic Over Emotionalism · Dec 11, 2018

christine40 said:
no person "hits" another person out of love
sorry, don't buy it

there are so, so, so many positive discipline methods that teach children
why, especially as a Christian choose to hit a child?

it causes emotional distress and teaches anyone bigger than you can hit you
and can lead to dire consequences per link I posted
would not hit my child if offered a million dollars

That's not true at all since I and many other parents do it all the time. Unless you think I hate my kids and want them to fail in life?

There are many Christian scripture that I already cited that supports spanking.

I posted multiple sites on studies that say different. The links to the studies I presented showed kids who were spanked ranked higher in education and more successful throughout life.

mama2one · Dec 11, 2018

mama2one · Dec 11, 2018

Logic Over Emotionalism said:
There are many Christian scripture that I already cited that supports spanking..

untrue

there's a difference in meaning in the Bible
difference between "a rod" and "the rod"

akmom · Dec 11, 2018

Is it wrong for me to point out the success of my family on this parenting subfourm? Of course not. As it shows that spanking can work if done correctly.

Why does everyone always say, "I spanked my kids and they grew up to be perfect little angels, so it works." Maybe they did, or maybe you're delusional. Maybe they grew up with good values despite spanking, and not because of it. I get complimented on my four children's behavior all the time, and I DON'T spank them. It's such an absurdly subjective measure of parental success.

Luckily, it is/was a very common form of discipline, so we have a good sample size with which to study its effects on lifelong behavior and tease out other factors. And that professional research tends to discredit spanking as effective compared to other forms of discipline.

I mean real peer-reviewed research journals, not popular literature like "Destiny Magazine" or a daily newspaper, that caters to its readers.

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