1000 years (the millenium): from David to Christ

claninja · Dec 10, 2018

Did David ever lack a man to sit on the throne?
Jeremiah 33:17 For this is what the LORD says: David will never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel

Interesting enough, it was 1,000 years from the time of David until the time of Christ.
Revelation 20:6 but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.

Lazarus Short · Dec 10, 2018

The hard part will be to fill in the time from the Babylonian Captivity to the birth of Jesus. It can be done in two ways, but I will keep quiet for now...

DavidPT · Dec 10, 2018

claninja said:
Did David ever lack a man to sit on the throne?
Jeremiah 33:17 For this is what the LORD says: David will never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel

Interesting enough, it was 1,000 years from the time of David until the time of Christ.
Revelation 20:6 but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.

What I think you are failing to take into account is this. Christ first came as a lowly servant. It was not until He died first, then rose, then ascended to heaven where is He now positioned at the right hand of God. Therefore one can't already be reigning with someone until that one is reigning first. Christ wouldn't be reigning until at least the ascension. Anyone reigning with Him would be reigning with Him anytime after that, but certainly not before that.

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne----IMO this has to do with reigning with Christ a thousand years. As can be seen though, one first has to overcometh, then if they do, they, like Christ did, once Christ overcame He was then rewarded after He rose from the dead, so will they be. The chronology therefore mirrors that of Christ's. One humbly serves first, and then if they overcome up until their death, in the resurrection of the just they will then be rewarded accordingly at that point.

Lazarus Short · Dec 10, 2018

Jesus was and is a King of Kings, aka an Emperor. Emperors often have Kings reigning under them.

claninja · Dec 10, 2018

DavidPT said:
What I think you are failing to take into account is this. Christ first came as a lowly servant. It was not until He died first, then rose, then ascended to heaven where is He now positioned at the right hand of God. Therefore one can't already be reigning with someone until that one is reigning first. Christ wouldn't be reigning until at least the ascension. Anyone reigning with Him would be reigning with Him anytime after that, but certainly not before that.

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne----IMO this has to do with reigning with Christ a thousand years. As can be seen though, one first has to overcometh, then if they do, they, like Christ did, once Christ overcame He was then rewarded after He rose from the dead, so will they be. The chronology therefore mirrors that of Christ's. One humbly serves first, and then if they overcome up until their death, in the resurrection of the just they will then be rewarded accordingly at that point.

This doesn't answer my question though. Did David ever lack a man to sit on the throne?

claninja · Dec 10, 2018

Lazarus Short said:
The hard part will be to fill in the time from the Babylonian Captivity to the birth of Jesus. It can be done in two ways, but I will keep quiet for now...

The Persian era over Israel is really hard to put together in a timeline if I remember correctly due to various historical accounts.

Edit: Although according to the angel it was 69 weeks, or 483 years from the time of Persia decreeing Jerusalem to rebuilt until the time Christ is crucified.

Daniel 9:25 Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until the Messiah,e the Prince, there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks

Lazarus Short · Dec 10, 2018

claninja said:
The Persian era over Israel is really hard to put together in a timeline if I remember correctly.

Yes, and the era of the Parthian Empire is fairly sketchy as well...but one authority on the subject says that its ruling dynasty was of the House of David, so you know what that means.

claninja · Dec 10, 2018

Lazarus Short said:
Yes, and the era of the Parthian Empire is fairly sketchy as well...but one authority on the subject says that its ruling dynasty was of the House of David, so you know what that means.

That's very true.

Although according to the angel it was 69 weeks, or 483 years from the time of Persia decreeing Jerusalem to rebuilt until the time Christ is crucified.

Daniel 9:25 Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until the Messiah,e the Prince, there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks

Lazarus Short · Dec 10, 2018

Yes, the decree was issued, but most Jews remained behind in Persia.

SeventyOne · Dec 10, 2018

claninja said:
This doesn't answer my question though. Did David ever lack a man to sit on the throne?

Yes, through the cursing of Jehoiakim in Jeremiah 36.

claninja · Dec 10, 2018

SeventyOne said:
Yes, through the cursing of Jehoiakim in Jeremiah 36.

So you believe that Jeremiah was able to break the covenant with the day and night?

Jeremiah 33:17-21
For this is what the LORD says: David will never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel, nor will the priests who are Levites ever fail to have a man before Me to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings, and to present sacrifices.”
And the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah: “This is what the LORD says: If you can break My covenant with the day and My covenant with the night, so that day and night cease to occupy their appointed time, then My covenant may also be broken with David My servant and with My ministers the Levites who are priests, so that David will not have a son to reign on his throne.

SeventyOne · Dec 10, 2018

claninja said:
So you believe that Jeremiah was able to break the covenant with the day and night?

Jeremiah 33:17-21
For this is what the LORD says: David will never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel, nor will the priests who are Levites ever fail to have a man before Me to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings, and to present sacrifices.”
And the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah: “This is what the LORD says: If you can break My covenant with the day and My covenant with the night, so that day and night cease to occupy their appointed time, then My covenant may also be broken with David My servant and with My ministers the Levites who are priests, so that David will not have a son to reign on his throne.

Ok. I'm not about to get into a 'gotcha' conversation with someone obviously wanting to set some kind of deceptive trap. You asked, I answered. Read the passage for yourself and either choose to try to harmonize or just play the part of accuser.

Calminian · Dec 10, 2018

Lazarus Short said:
Jesus was and is a King of Kings, aka an Emperor. Emperors often have Kings reigning under them.

It just doesn't work. Jesus spoke of his future Kingdom.

Matt. 26:29 But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.”

Mark 14:25 Assuredly, I say to you, I will no longer drink of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”

Luke 11:2 So He said to them, “When you pray, say:
Our Father in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
Your kingdom come.
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.

Luke 21:31 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near.

Luke 23:42 Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.”

Lazarus Short · Dec 10, 2018

Calminian said:
It just doesn't work. Jesus spoke of his future Kingdom.

I was making a general statement about Kings and Kings of Kings.

claninja · Dec 11, 2018

SeventyOne said:
Ok. I'm not about to get into a 'gotcha' conversation with someone obviously wanting to set some kind of deceptive trap.

Trap? Gotcha conversation? This is an honest question, one that you deflected instead of answered. The question was "did David ever lack a man to sit on the throne?". You answered "Yes, through the cursing of Jehoiakim in Jeremiah 36." So instead of deflecting, let's have an honest conversation.

We can reconcile the curse of Jehoiakim because Mary, the mother of Jesus, was from the line of David but was not a descendent of Jehoiakim (luke 3). Since Jesus' birth was a virgin birth, he had no blood ties to jehoiakim, thus the curse does not apply to him.

However, that being said, we know that Israel lived many days without king and without the temple: Babylonian exile.
Hosea 3:4 For the Israelites must live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar, and without ephod or idol.

So how do we reconcile that Israel lived many days without a king and yet David was to never lack a man to sit on the throne?
Jeremiah 33:17 For this is what the LORD says: David will never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel,

Well, one possible explanation: future. "the days are coming" when God would fulfill his promise to David. Israel would lack a king for many days, but God would put Jesus on the throne forever, thus fulfilling his promise to David.
Jeremiah 33:14-15 Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will fulfill the gracious promise that I have spoken to the house of Israel and the house of Judah. In those days and at that time I will cause to sprout a Righteous Branch of David, and He will administer justice and righteousness in the land.

Do you have any other possible scriptural answers?

SeventyOne said:
You asked, I answered.

This is a discussion forum. not sure why you are surprised that I responded to your answer, with a clarifying question.

SeventyOne said:
Read the passage for yourself and either choose to try to harmonize or just play the part of accuser.

I accused you of nothing, I asked a question.

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