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I may have missed it, but where is 7th day Sabbath keeping taught in Hebrews?

This was given you before, and thus no more may be given. If you reject this, you will never see and thus remain blind (darkness; 2 Peter 2:17; Jude 1:13) forever:
Hebrews 3-4 (among many others; John 14:15; Exodus 20:6; Isaiah 56:1,8; John 10:16; Isaiah 56:2-7, Acts 4:24, 14:15; Revelation 10:6, 14:6-7, &c). - There's even a whole thread and study on it - Hebrews 3-4 [KJB], the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD JEHOVAH - "my rest" "remaineth" to My people.

Hebrews 3-4 is clear.

Hebrews 4:3, "my (God's) rest" and "the works were finished from the foundation of the world", which is a direct reference to Genesis 2:1-3. It even uses the word "finished". God rested the 7th day in Genesis 2:1-3. It is His rest, the 7th day, the sabbath (rest) of the LORD thy God, Exodus 20:8-11.

Hebrews 4:4, "he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works", which "certain place" is Genesis 2:1-3; re-cited in Exodus 20:8-11. The 7th day the sabbath (rest) of the LORD thy God.

Hebrews 4:5, "my (God's) rest)", citing Psalms 95, which is citing Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11, etc. Again, this is the 7th day the sabbath (rest) of God at Creation in Genesis 2:1-3.

Hebrews 4:6, "remaineth", from when? "from the foundation of the world" as per Hebrews 4:3 and thus it is not new, but has been around from the beginning.

Hebrews 4:9, "rest", sabbatismos, literally and truly sabbath keeping in scripture and in all known extant Greek sources, dictionaries, and so on and again "remaineth".

Hebrews 4:10, "his (God's) rest", which is the 7th day the sabbath (rest) of the LORD thy God from Genesis 2:1-3., "as God did from his (works)", which "works were finished from the foundation of the world" as per Hebrews 4:3.

Hebrews 4:11, "that rest" (ie God's rest), the 7th day the sabbath (rest) of the LORD thy God.

You may of course disagree, as is your prerogative, but that is no evidence of being correct, nor of being defensible from (or foundational upon) scripture itself.

A whole thread exists on it, which was also provided to you - Hebrews 3-4 [KJB], the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD JEHOVAH - "my rest" "remaineth" to My people.
 
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None of those references command Christians of the New Covenant to observe a 7th day Sabbath.

However, Apostolic teaching is clear on what will keep us out of the Kingdom of God:

1 Corinthians 6: NASB

9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. (NASB)

Seems 7th day Sabbath keeping is missing.
 
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[See highlighted in this response]None of those references command Christians of the New Covenant to observe a 7th day Sabbath.

However, Apostolic teaching is clear on what will keep us out of the Kingdom of God:

1 Corinthians 6: NASB

9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. (NASB)

Seems 7th day Sabbath keeping is missing.

It is because you are actually blind, as the word said of you (please do not think me harsh, I am simply relating the condition as Revelation 3 says)

Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

The Sabbath is holy time. Therefore, to transgress it for one's own purposes not in obedience to the commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) is self-righteousness (one's own standard of 'right'-doing) and is actually coveting and theft/stealing (misappropriation) of time (tithe of time, 1/10th of 10).

Thus it sets up an idol of self as the standard, and thus is spiritual adultery.

Isa_58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

So to continue to do one's own pleasure and not God's pleasure, is to "pleasure yourself". Isn't it?

Who doesn't inherit the kingdom?

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Thus to misappropriate the sacred time for one's own standards/uses, is to murder oneself, since they no longer "rest" as the living soul (Genesis 2:7; Mark 2:27) was made to do. It would be the same as continuing to work the body without sleep. Eventually it will break down and cease to properly function.

1Sa_15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

1 John 3:4; Acts 14:15-16, 17:30.

Exodus 20:8-11; Matthew 5:17-19. To teach otherwise is heresy in the first degree.
 
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It is because you are actually blind, as the word said of you (please do not think me harsh, I am simply relating the condition as Revelation 3 says)

Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

The Sabbath is holy time. Therefore, to transgress it for one's own purposes not in obedience to the commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) is self-righteousness (one's own standard of 'right'-doing) and is actually coveting and theft/stealing (misappropriation) of time (tithe of time, 1/10th of 10).

Thus it sets up an idol of self as the standard, and thus is spiritual adultery.

Isa_58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

So to continue to do one's own pleasure and not God's pleasure, is to "pleasure yourself". Isn't it?

Who doesn't inherit the kingdom?

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Thus to misappropriate the sacred time for one's own standards/uses, is to murder oneself, since they no longer "rest" as the living soul (Genesis 2:7; Mark 2:27) was made to do. It would be the same as continuing to work the body without sleep. Eventually it will break down and cease to properly function.

1Sa_15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

1 John 3:4; Acts 14:15-16, 17:30.

Exodus 20:8-11; Matthew 5:17-19. To teach otherwise is heresy in the first degree.
I’m sorry but you did not really address my comments. Where is 7th day Sabbath keeping mentioned by the apostles as binding in the New Covenant in Christ’s Blood?

The general comments about “the Law” would include circumcision and observing the feast days with the Temple as the center of worship.

Just which statutes of the 613 are now not kept and which ones are?

Here’s some Apostolic teachings:


Galatians 2: NASB

11But when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12For prior to the coming of certain men from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he began to withdraw and hold himself aloof, fearing the party of the circumcision. 13The rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. 14But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, “If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?

15“We are Jews by nature and not sinners from among the Gentiles;16nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.17“But if, while seeking to be justified in Christ, we ourselves have also been found sinners, is Christ then a minister of sin? May it never be! 18“For if I rebuild what I have once destroyed, I prove myself to be a transgressor. 19“For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God. 20“I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me. 21“I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.”(NASB)
 
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It is because you are actually blind, as the word said of you (please do not think me harsh, I am simply relating the condition as Revelation 3 says)

Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

The Sabbath is holy time. Therefore, to transgress it for one's own purposes not in obedience to the commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) is self-righteousness (one's own standard of 'right'-doing) and is actually coveting and theft/stealing (misappropriation) of time (tithe of time, 1/10th of 10).

Thus it sets up an idol of self as the standard, and thus is spiritual adultery.

Isa_58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

So to continue to do one's own pleasure and not God's pleasure, is to "pleasure yourself". Isn't it?

Who doesn't inherit the kingdom?

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Thus to misappropriate the sacred time for one's own standards/uses, is to murder oneself, since they no longer "rest" as the living soul (Genesis 2:7; Mark 2:27) was made to do. It would be the same as continuing to work the body without sleep. Eventually it will break down and cease to properly function.

1Sa_15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

1 John 3:4; Acts 14:15-16, 17:30.

Exodus 20:8-11; Matthew 5:17-19. To teach otherwise is heresy in the first degree.
More Apostolic teachings. We are heirs of the promise of faith through Abraham hundreds of years before the Sinai covenant:

Galatians 3: NASB

1You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed ascrucified? 2This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 3Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? 4Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5So then, does He who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

6Even so Abraham BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS. 7Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham. 8The Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying,“ALL THE NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED IN YOU.” 9So then those who are of faith are blessed with Abraham, the believer.

10For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO PERFORM THEM.” 11Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.” 12However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, “HE WHO PRACTICES THEM SHALL LIVE BY THEM.” 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON ATREE”— 14in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.



Intent of the Law

15Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations: even though it is only a man’s covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it. 16Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as referring to many, but rather to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ. 17What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.

19Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made.20Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one. 21Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law. 22But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

23But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed.24Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. 25But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.26For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise. (NASB)
 
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It is because you are actually blind, as the word said of you (please do not think me harsh, I am simply relating the condition as Revelation 3 says)

Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

The Sabbath is holy time. Therefore, to transgress it for one's own purposes not in obedience to the commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) is self-righteousness (one's own standard of 'right'-doing) and is actually coveting and theft/stealing (misappropriation) of time (tithe of time, 1/10th of 10).

Thus it sets up an idol of self as the standard, and thus is spiritual adultery.

Isa_58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

So to continue to do one's own pleasure and not God's pleasure, is to "pleasure yourself". Isn't it?

Who doesn't inherit the kingdom?

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Thus to misappropriate the sacred time for one's own standards/uses, is to murder oneself, since they no longer "rest" as the living soul (Genesis 2:7; Mark 2:27) was made to do. It would be the same as continuing to work the body without sleep. Eventually it will break down and cease to properly function.

1Sa_15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

1 John 3:4; Acts 14:15-16, 17:30.

Exodus 20:8-11; Matthew 5:17-19. To teach otherwise is heresy in the first degree.
Continuing to address your eisegesis with Apostolic teachings:

Galatians 4: NASB

8However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are no gods. 9But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again?10You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain.
 
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They kind of follow the example in Genesis where God did His creation in 6 days, and "rested" on the 7th. I guess they think He got tired.
:)
JohnB445 said:
I've been told the sabbath is optional, and just a day of rest from work. I took his word by faith. Then I hear different perspectives I can't figure out which one is true. The Bible doesn't seem to support Sabbath-keeping in the new covenant from when I read.
I would think Jesus slept at night and worked everyday, even on the Sabbath.....at least according to this passage.

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized


John 5:
16 And because of this, the Jews were persecuting Jesus,
because He was doing these things on the Sabbath.
17 But Jesus answered them, “My Father is working until now, and I am working.”
18 Therefore because of this, the Jews were seeking the more to kill Him, because not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but also He was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal to God.

Matthew 3:7
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers!
Who warned you to flee from the being about wrath to come?
Luke 3:7
Then he said to the multitudes that came out to be baptized by him, “Brood of vipers!
Who warned you to flee from the being about wrath to come?

Why would the Jews be praying their flight not be on a Sabbath?

Matthew 24:20
“And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath.

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover

The City was at this time crowded with Jewish strangers, and foreigners from all parts,
so that the whole nation may be considered as having been shut up in one prison, preparatory to the execution of the Divine vengeance,




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None of those references command Christians of the New Covenant to observe a 7th day Sabbath.

None of your references command the Sabbath be changed to Sunday. The commandments from God, written by His hand--stands.

1Jn_2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
 
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Just which statutes of the 613

That 'magick' number is not found in scripture itself, but is rather found in the Rabbinic and Talmudic writings of man-made tradition. It is irrelevant to the topic even if it were true, but in truth, it is simply some man-made and delineated number based on how some rabbis thought the commandments, laws, statutes, judgments, etc were to be divided and calculated for their use. It isn't even a Christian numeration.

Scripture says:

[1] The "Great" "commandment" "in the Law", or "first (chiefest/foremost) commandment of all" (Torah):

Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.

Mar 12:28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mar_12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

[2] The Two greatest Commandments of all:

Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Mar 12:28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Mar 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

[3] Ten Commandments, which are "exceeding broad", even the "whole" will of God and whole "duty of man (Adam)", "perfection":

Exo_34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
Deu_4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
Deu_10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.

Psa_119:96 I have seen an end of all perfection: but thy commandment is exceeding broad.

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

[4] the first commandment with promise on the Second table of stone:

Eph 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise;)
 
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More Apostolic teachings.
If only you understood Galatians, instead of turning it into 'sin' (1 John 3:4). I offered to go through it line by line, with another (link), but that offer was never accepted. I offer the same to you:

I have done full indepth studies on Galatians, and anytime you want to look at it line by line, we can, so long as time and circumstances allows. Say "when".
 
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Galatians ...
Simply citing Galatians (any portion; even from the corrupt (need me to demonstrate this, it's easy) and 'catholic' NASB, see: "Greek Text: Consideration was given to the latest available manuscripts with a view to determining the best Greek text. In most instances the 26th edition of the Eberhard Nestle's Novum Testamentum Graece was followed."; thus (on the 27th Nestle/Aland Novum Testamentus Graece: "The text shared by these two editions was adopted internationally by Bible Societies, and following an agreement between the Vatican and the United Bible Societies it has served as the basis for new translations and for revisions made under their supervision. This marks a significant step with regard to interconfessional relationships.

It should be understood that this text is a working text: It is not to be considered as definitive, but as a stimulus to further efforts towards defining and verifying the text of the New Testament."; look up (now deceased) Jesuit Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini, and consider that Vaticanus is not what it claims to be, and Sinaiticus is a forgery)
is not helping you on Acts 20:7, nor rebutting to what I demonstrated from it, neither the subject of the Sabbath (Galatians doesn't use the word sabbath, or seventh day even once). Furthermore I already agree with what Galatians says, from the preserved word of God (Psalms 12:6-7) in English, the King James Bible. So when Galatians is cited plainly without interfering with the text (KJB), "Amen!"
 
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None of your references command the Sabbath be changed to Sunday. The commandments from God, written by His hand--stands.
I didn’t say the Sabbath moved to the first day. What I showed is Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath rest. We either rest in Him or not. We are either children of God or children of wrath.
 
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1Jn_2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
All that abominable and whoremongering stuff up there and nothing about Saturday Sabbath.

Why didn’t you bold sorcery?
 
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I have done full indepth studies on Galatians, and anytime you want to look at it line by line, we can, so long as time and circumstances allows. Say "when".
What I quoted from Galatians completely refuted the keeping of days, and puts Mosaic Law keepers behind the 8 ball of making the atonement of Christ in need of something more.
 
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Simply citing Galatians (any portion; even from the corrupt (need me to demonstrate this, it's easy) and 'catholic' NASB, see: "Greek Text: Consideration was given to the latest available manuscripts with a view to determining the best Greek text. In most instances the 26th edition of the Eberhard Nestle's Novum Testamentum Graece was followed."; thus (on the 27th Nestle/Aland Novum Testamentus Graece: "The text shared by these two editions was adopted internationally by Bible Societies, and following an agreement between the Vatican and the United Bible Societies it has served as the basis for new translations and for revisions made under their supervision. This marks a significant step with regard to interconfessional relationships.

It should be understood that this text is a working text: It is not to be considered as definitive, but as a stimulus to further efforts towards defining and verifying the text of the New Testament."; look up (now deceased) Jesuit Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini, and consider that Vaticanus is not what it claims to be, and Sinaiticus is a forgery)
is not helping you on Acts 20:7, nor rebutting to what I demonstrated from it, neither the subject of the Sabbath (Galatians doesn't use the word sabbath, or seventh day even once). Furthermore I already agree with what Galatians says, from the preserved word of God (Psalms 12:6-7) in English, the King James Bible. So when Galatians is cited plainly without interfering with the text (KJB), "Amen!"
Going to the KJV does not change the text at all:

Galatians 4: KJV

8Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. 9But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 10Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.(KJV)

Why do you observe days, months and times and years when the Apostle Paul said this was law keeping and not the Gospel?
 
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Going to the KJV does not change the text at all:

Galatians 4: KJV

8Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. 9But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 10Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.(KJV)

Why do you observe days, months and times and years when the Apostle Paul said this was law keeping and not the Gospel?

Yet the same man writing this letter to the Galatians observed the very holy days you erroneously think he was teaching against. Irony is so ironic.
 
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Yet the same man writing this letter to the Galatians observed the very holy days you erroneously think he was teaching against. Irony is so ironic.
Did he truly? Was this before or after the Jews tried to kill him?
 
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Did he truly? Was this before or after the Jews tried to kill him?
Yes he truly did. He observed the holy days before and after and his observance was based on obedience to God & Christ, not violent Jews.
 
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