False Prophets and the Return of Christ for His Bride.

Does anybody have a book on the "Blood Moons"?


Mark Blitz is also an advocate of a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.

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Oscarr said:

I have made a close study of the Scriptures about false prophets and I have discovered that in the Old Testament the false prophets were ones who taught that worshiping idols was okay and that judgment will not come on the nation because of it. The prophets of Baal in Elijah's were those who were advocating the worship of Baal, the Canaanite god of nature and fertility. They were not prophesying faithfulness to the Living God. We need to be clear about that.

The false prophets who advised Ahab were prophets of Baal whom Jezebel supported. They prophesied that Ahab was going to win a great victory, when the truth that came through the true prophet was that Ahab was going to lose his life.

We cannot use those OT references to accuse any Christian teacher, no matter who they are, of being a false prophet similar to any false prophet that was described in the OT. Those who use the OT references may be reflecting the basic principles of false prophecy, but if they are trying to apply them to big-name Christian teachers, they are being false teachers themselves, misquoting and misusing God's Word!

I looked at the New Testament references and discovered that these false prophets were directing their prophecies and teaching to unconverted people, inducing them to turn away and rebel against Christ, and promote all kinds of ungodliness among non-Christians. So, to apply those Scriptures to godly Christian teachers, just because they might have one or two controversial doctrines or who promote signs and wonders as part of their Gospel preaching, is the misuse of the New Testament references and the motivation is usually from a prejudicial spirit, or a spirit of jealously and envy that these big-name preachers have bigger and better ministries and attract more people to their meetings than they do.

A New Testament example of a false prophet is that of Elymas who tried to interfere with Paul's teaching of a Roman Proconsul and tried to turn him away from turning to Christ. Paul dealt with him accordingly.

But a preacher who preaches the Gospel and wins people to Christ cannot be a false prophet in terms of OT or NT Scripture. A person who sets up a website discrediting and accusing a godly preacher just because that person has doctrines that differ from his own, is just as a false prophet as any false prophet in the Old or New Testaments.

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More like a sectarian, (heretic) than a false prophet. One who cannot discern the body of Christ and thinks they or their church are the only true Christians around. It’s a sin that can keep one out of heaven.

Yeah I have NEVER seen so many "prophets" today... wow...MANY sure do come saying they have the REAL truth now days. Prophets today are not like prophets of old where the Spirit was on ONE. And today we that believe in Christ ALL have the Holy Spirit.

And a false prophet was not always wrong. Many times they were right. Its as God said.. "I never told them" is why one of many reasons they were wrong.

And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

I must say... there are people I have listen to dont listen to.. and my PERSONAL view of them does not give the right to talk about them when there not here. Then to know I can go to where they are and talk to them if I had something against them.. because I Love them.. as I do Christ. My personal view of the word does not make ME right they them wrong..sorry.

St_Worm2 said:

Hi Sparow, the Bible is largely a foreign language to most (even though it is most often read in the native tongue of the reader) because it needs to be understood from God's spiritual POV (which is not possible for non-Christians .. 1 Corinthians 1:18, 2:14).

That said, God very much expects those of us who are His to "rightly divide" His word .. 2 Timothy 2:15, and I believe the evidence is there that we have done just that (for the most part anyway ).

For instance, as a Calvinist, I stand within the pale of Christian orthodoxy at a polar opposite position from my brothers and sisters in the RCC concerning about 10% of the Christian faith (hopefully that will not always be the case ). One the other hand however, we walk in perfect harmony with one another concerning the other 90% of the faith (which is why I not only use but am able to recommend the Catechism of the Catholic Church as an excellent, well-written, concise theology that does a great job of defining most of the foundational truths of the faith).

Where justification/salvation is concerned, I believe that:

Mercy = God choosing to withhold from us the punishment that we rightly deserve.

Grace = God choosing to give us that which we did not earn and do not deserve, eternal life.
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Grace is the UN-merited favor of God (well, unmerited by ~us~ anyway!). In reality, God's grace is hardly "unmerited", rather, His grace is "merited" for us by the actions of Another.

To be able to stand before God without the Savior we would need to be what we cannot be, and to do what we cannot do, 1) be perfectly innocent 2) be perfectly righteous, and 3) pay the price for our own sins. Therefore, outside of Christ and what 'He' did for us (His righteous life, His death on the Cross, and His resurrection), we have no hope of salvation/eternal life (as He is our only innocence, our only righteousness, and the only atonement for our sins).

2 Corinthians 5
21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.​

Yours and His,
David
p.s. - just FYI, Abraham was counted as righteous before God because of his faith, not because he sacrificed bulls and goats .. Genesis 15:6; Hebrews 9:22, 10:4.

Romans 4
20 With respect to the promise of God, he [Abraham] did not waver in unbelief but grew strong in faith, giving glory to God,
21 and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform.​

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Basically I am a Presbyterian and attended Sunday school when I was eight, at 17 I brought a KJV and found that I couldn't read it, it was like reading a telephone book, at 50 I was challenged by people who knocked on the door, who said something I hadn't heard before that interested me, so I got my Bible out to see if what they said was in the Bible, I thought it would be at the end so I read the last few pages of Rev, didn't find it, then I read all of Rev, and didn't find it, I eventually read the Gospels four time Rev five times, the universal epistles one, Romans one and part of 1 Corinthians, and decided Paul was not for me. yet I do not have allegiance with/or to, the Presbyterian church or any other. I did adopt the seventh day before encountering the SDA.

I am amazed at your remarks on the RCC; What an incredible Church it is. My position is different to yours in this way:

As an analogy I see the word of God as an engineering thesis and the Ten Commandments are the abstract of the thesis; in as far as the NT is the word of God it is also defined by the same abstract (the Ten Commandments).

<<(which is why I not only use but am able to recommend the Catechism of the Catholic Church as an excellent, well-written, concise theology that does a great job of defining most of the foundational truths of the faith).>>

I wouldn't dispute this statement but I would ask, "what has it got to do with the God of Israel".

The Catechism is about 75% of the Ten Commandments and is an abstract of a different covenant to that made by God. The RCC Claims to have the authority to change God's Law, change the Sabbath to Sunday, to abrogate God's word and replace it with their own. The RCC and its Law are an alternative to the God of Israel and His Law (covenant). In this context, rightly dividing the word of the God of Israel is a vanity when your covenant is with an alternate or imaginary authority.

sparow said:

As an analogy I see the word of God as an engineering thesis and the Ten Commandments are the abstract of the thesis; in as far as the NT is the word of God it is also defined by the same abstract (the Ten Commandments).

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Jer_31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Heb_8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—

Heb_8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Heb_12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

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sparow said:

Basically I am a Presbyterian and attended Sunday school when I was eight, at 17 I brought a KJV and found that I couldn't read it, it was like reading a telephone book, at 50 I was challenged by people who knocked on the door, who said something I hadn't heard before that interested me, so I got my Bible out to see if what they said was in the Bible, I thought it would be at the end so I read the last few pages of Rev, didn't find it, then I read all of Rev, and didn't find it, I eventually read the Gospels four time Rev five times, the universal epistles one, Romans one and part of 1 Corinthians, and decided Paul was not for me. yet I do not have allegiance with/or to, the Presbyterian church or any other. I did adopt the seventh day before encountering the SDA.

I am amazed at your remarks on the RCC; What an incredible Church it is. My position is different to yours in this way:

As an analogy I see the word of God as an engineering thesis and the Ten Commandments are the abstract of the thesis; in as far as the NT is the word of God it is also defined by the same abstract (the Ten Commandments).

<<(which is why I not only use but am able to recommend the Catechism of the Catholic Church as an excellent, well-written, concise theology that does a great job of defining most of the foundational truths of the faith).>>

I wouldn't dispute this statement but I would ask, "what has it got to do with the God of Israel".

The Catechism is about 75% of the Ten Commandments and is an abstract of a different covenant to that made by God. The RCC Claims to have the authority to change God's Law, change the Sabbath to Sunday, to abrogate God's word and replace it with their own. The RCC and its Law are an alternative to the God of Israel and His Law (covenant). In this context, rightly dividing the word of the God of Israel is a vanity when your covenant is with an alternate or imaginary authority.

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I did a comprehensive paper on RCC theology for my M.Div, and found that there were more things in it that united Catholics and Protestants than divided us. I am married to a wife who was brought up and educated Catholic, so I am not as anti-Catholic as you think I might be.

Although the Catholic church has many good things about it, and, let's face it, we wouldn't have a New Testament if it was not for the Catholic Church preserving the original manuscripts, and we wouldn't have a church history if the Catholic church didn't have the records in the Vatican archives. So, we owe much to it.

But, like all other churches, including the Presbyterian church of which I am an elder, it is nothing like the church of the first century. Some think it has evolved into something better, but the evidence of the power and demonstration of the Holy Spirit seems to be absent in most of them.

Oscarr said:

I did a comprehensive paper on RCC theology for my M.Div, and found that there were more things in it that united Catholics and Protestants than divided us. I am married to a wife who was brought up and educated Catholic, so I am not as anti-Catholic as you think I might be.

Although the Catholic church has many good things about it, and, let's face it, we wouldn't have a New Testament if it was not for the Catholic Church preserving the original manuscripts, and we wouldn't have a church history if the Catholic church didn't have the records in the Vatican archives. So, we owe much to it.

But, like all other churches, including the Presbyterian church of which I am an elder, it is nothing like the church of the first century. Some think it has evolved into something better, but the evidence of the power and demonstration of the Holy Spirit seems to be absent in most of them.

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Have you ever done a thorough study of the New Covenant?

It is the thing that unites all denominations into one Body, and returns us to the doctrine of the first century Church.

The New Covenant and the Old are contrasted in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:18-24.
Therefore, the New Covenant cannot be a "New Administration" or "renewal" of the Old Covenant.


The Old Covenant/ New Covenant and the Sabbath
(Every Christian needs to see this message.)


What is New Covenant Theology?
Pastor Douglas Goodin


New-Covenant Theology Made Simple 'The Yoke'
David H. J. Gay Ministry


New Covenant Theology Made Simple: Jeremiah 31:31-34,
David H. J. Gay Ministry


David H. J. Ministry (Short Articles on the New Covenant
David H J Gay Ministry


The New Covenant: Bob George


Overview of Covenants: Abraham to Christ, David H J Gay
Overview of Covenants: Abraham to Christ

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BABerean2 said:

Have you ever done a thorough study of the New Covenant?

It is the thing that unites all denominations into one Body, and returns us to the doctrine of the first century Church.

The New Covenant and the Old are contrasted in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:18-24.
Therefore, the New Covenant cannot be a "New Administration" or "renewal" of the Old Covenant.


The Old Covenant/ New Covenant and the Sabbath

(Every Christian needs to see this message.)


What is New Covenant Theology?
Pastor Douglas Goodin

New-Covenant Theology Made Simple 'The Yoke'
David H. J. Gay Ministry

New Covenant Theology Made Simple: Jeremiah 31:31-34,
David H. J. Gay Ministry

David H. J. Ministry (Short Articles on the New Covenant
David H J Gay Ministry


The New Covenant: Bob George

Overview of Covenants: Abraham to Christ, David H J Gay
Overview of Covenants: Abraham to Christ

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The idea that the New Covenant unites all believers is true, but in our divided church, it is idealistic. It won't happen. Jesus' parable of the wheat and the tares tell us that. The unity will not come until the Second Coming of Christ where He will separate the genuine from the false. Until then, we will have to put up with the factionised, divided church and do what we can to follow God's will for us in what is in a very imperfect environment.

So a lot of preaching and teaching about the New Covenant with the aim of uniting all our churches, or forming an "us and them" situation in this world, is basically preaching to the birds and the bees, because it won't happen.

Teaching on the New Covenant is useful only for background knowledge of we personally stand with Christ, but to try and unite our churches into one body that agrees with the New Covenant is vain effort.

Oscarr said:

Teaching on the New Covenant is useful only for background knowledge of we personally stand with Christ, but to try and unite our churches into one body that agrees with the New Covenant is vain effort.

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Do you think Satan has already won the battle?

Jer_31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—

Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Heb_8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—

Heb_8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Heb_12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

We serve a victorious Savior, who fulfilled the New Covenant in His blood.

Unless a person is "born again" of the Spirit of God found in John 3:1-16, and Luke 3:16, and 1 Corinthians 3:16, they do not have the power to overcome sin.

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BABerean2 said:

Jer_31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Heb_8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—

Heb_8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Heb_12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

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The intended role of Israel:

Micah 4:2 (NKJV)
2 Many nations shall come and say, "Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, And we shall walk in His paths." For out of Zion the law shall go forth, And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

New Revised Standard Version - Preface
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The Old Testament sets forth the call of a special people to enter into covenant relation with the God of justice and steadfast love and to bring God’s law to the nations.
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Jeremiah 31:31-32 (NKJV)
31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah--
32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD.

The new covenant is the restoration of Israel and of ancient privileges:

Jeremiah 30:18 (NKJV)
18 "Thus says the LORD: 'Behold, I will bring back the captivity of Jacob's tents, And have mercy on his dwelling places; The city shall be built upon its own mound, And the palace shall remain according to its own plan.

How is the new different? Now without excuse.

Jeremiah 31:33-34 (NKJV)
33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

John 15:22 (NKJV)
22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would have no sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin.

A second difference: The sins of the father no longer visit his children for three generations.

Jeremiah 31:29-30 (NKJV)
29 In those days they shall say no more: 'The fathers have eaten sour grapes, And the children's teeth are set on edge.'
30 But every one shall die for his own iniquity; every man who eats the sour grapes, his teeth shall be set on edge.

Jeremiah 31:36 (NKJV)
36 "If those ordinances depart From before Me, says the LORD, Then the seed of Israel shall also cease From being a nation before Me forever."

This is then reason why the Law is written on the heart and mind: that is received directly from God, not made up, or interpreted from scripture.

Jeremiah 8:8 (NKJV)
8 "How can you say, 'We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us'? Look, the false pen of the scribe certainly works falsehood.

The only one to articulate the new covenant was Jesus and the main reference to the Law was that it may not be changed; He the proceeded to correct the error of the Pharisees.

Oscarr said:

I did a comprehensive paper on RCC theology for my M.Div, and found that there were more things in it that united Catholics and Protestants than divided us. I am married to a wife who was brought up and educated Catholic, so I am not as anti-Catholic as you think I might be.

Although the Catholic church has many good things about it, and, let's face it, we wouldn't have a New Testament if it was not for the Catholic Church preserving the original manuscripts, and we wouldn't have a church history if the Catholic church didn't have the records in the Vatican archives. So, we owe much to it.

But, like all other churches, including the Presbyterian church of which I am an elder, it is nothing like the church of the first century. Some think it has evolved into something better, but the evidence of the power and demonstration of the Holy Spirit seems to be absent in most of them.

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I have read the Westminster Confession and there is nothing wrong with that, but the Presbyterians keep Sunday. But really it is about growing into harvestable fruit; and where are God's people; God says to Jezebel riding on the back of the beast, "Come out of her My people".

sparow said:

I have read the Westminster Confession and there is nothing wrong with that, but the Presbyterians keep Sunday. But really it is about growing into harvestable fruit; and where are God's people; God says to Jezebel riding on the back of the beast, "Come out of her My people".

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I'm not sure what point you are wanting to make here. But to keep Jezebel in the proper context - she was a woman who worshiped Baal, a pagan god and influenced her husband Ahab to do the same. So, I don't know how you are making a connection between that and churches like the Presbyterian church. And I don't what what beast you are referring to.

Oscarr said:

I'm not sure what point you are wanting to make here. But to keep Jezebel in the proper context - she was a woman who worshiped Baal, a pagan god and influenced her husband Ahab to do the same. So, I don't know how you are making a connection between that and churches like the Presbyterian church. And I don't what what beast you are referring to.

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I believe I got you confused with someone of a different religion.

When John wrote Revelation Jezebel was long dead so he used her symbolically, She was a prostitute as well as Pagan and because she was a woman she symbolizes a Church. Jezebel is the religion of the beast. The beast is Babylon the great, which is our whole world.

sparow said:

The only one to articulate the new covenant was Jesus and the main reference to the Law was that it may not be changed; He the proceeded to correct the error of the Pharisees.

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Cut the following out of your Bible and maybe you can make your doctrine work...


Joh 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.


2Co 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.


Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM,"
Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
(Quoted from Jeremiah 31:31-34.)
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.


Heb 12:18 For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest,
Heb 12:19 and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard it begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore.
Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure what was commanded: "AND IF SO MUCH AS A BEAST TOUCHES THE MOUNTAIN, IT SHALL BE STONED OR SHOT WITH AN ARROW."
Heb 12:21 And so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, "I AM EXCEEDINGLY AFRAID AND TREMBLING.")
Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

Luckily, the rest of us also have a Bible.

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BABerean2 said:

Cut the following out of your Bible and maybe you can make your doctrine work...


Joh 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.


2Co 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.


Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM,"
Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
(Quoted from Jeremiah 31:31-34.)
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.


Heb 12:18 For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest,
Heb 12:19 and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard it begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore.
Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure what was commanded: "AND IF SO MUCH AS A BEAST TOUCHES THE MOUNTAIN, IT SHALL BE STONED OR SHOT WITH AN ARROW."
Heb 12:21 And so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, "I AM EXCEEDINGLY AFRAID AND TREMBLING.")
Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

Luckily, the rest of us also have a Bible.

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Seriously You must be aware that dispensationalism has it's own unique interpretation of scripture.

None of these verses cause me problems; I do not regard Hebrews as any more than a letter someone wrote.

sparow said:

None of these verses cause me problems; I do not regard Hebrews as any more than a letter someone wrote.

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If you do not regard the Book of Hebrews as the inspired Word of God, you should not be commenting on this forum.

You need to review the "CF Statement of Faith", and either comply with it or go somewhere else.

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BABerean2 said:

If you do not regard the Book of Hebrews as the inspired Word of God, you should not be commenting on this forum.

You need to review the "CF Statement of Faith", and either comply with it or go somewhere else.

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Do you have the authority to tell me to go elsewhere, maybe you are violating the rules.

I know that the word "inspired" means something different to me than it does to Dispensationalists; I don't know if God inspired the writer of Hebrews or not; but had God dictated the words of Hebrews to the writer there would not be errors in it. I do not know whether God inspired the cannon or the Roman Emperor to take control of the Church. But God has inspired me this way, "If I follow men I will end up in the ditch".

One doctrine that I have discovered is the equivalent of sorcery is the teaching that we can use faith to speak things into being. This is a misapplication of faith. True faith is in God who, in His sovereignty. will act according to His will in response to our prayer of faith.

But there is a teaching that faith is a power in itself through the spoken word, that the spoken word has a power to bring things into being. In effect, this is a type of forcing God to do what we want Him to do instead of trusting in His sovereignty. It is an extension of the sin of Adam and Eve in that they obeyed the devil when he said that they would become as God. In effect, he tempted them to become their own "gods" instead of trusting God to determine what was good or evil for them.

So, trying to use faith as a power in itself is making folk believe they can do what God can do. In other words, they are usurping God's sovereignty and demanding that what they speak into being has to happen. But the only Person who can create with His voice is God himself.

When Jesus told the Pharisees, "Is it not written that ye are gods?" He is saying that the Pharisees who are determining what is good or evil are being their own gods, but in effect, as He said, "You are of your father the devil"

So, those who are using faith as a power apart from God and trying to demand that God do what they want Him to do, are, in effect, conducting sorcery, and therefore are caught up in the deception of the devil.