One of the most controversial issues, is the DAY OF WORSHIP

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once... but what about "every week day 1"?? And why call it "week day 1" if they mean "Christian Sabbath" or they mean "The Lord's day".



Acts 18:4 'EVERY Sabbath' they met in the Synagogue for worship and gospel preaching
The exact quote is:

4And he was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks.

Was he trying to persuade them or they needed to keep the Law?
 
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It meant they gathered together often in the NT Church. It means as Paul mentioned in 1 Corinthians 11 that when you gather they have The Lord’s Supper.

In all those verses where it mentions going to the temple, well back then that is where many gathered and as such was a good place to preach Christ and the Gospel. Years later the temple was destroyed. No more gathering there and no more the assembly convocated for feast days.

Paul preached in synagogues because that is where people gathered before churches were planted.

Was there an explicit situation where Gentile believers were commanded to meet in the synagogue on the 7th day of the week?

They didn't have communion once a week. They fathered together on Sabbath not simply because the Jews were there---they preached to the Gentiles also and they never once told the Gentiles "see you on
the 1st day of the week"--
Act_13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Act_13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

They never seem to get together on the 1t day of the week to preach to the Gentiles.

The synagogue was not the only place believers met or where the discipled preached and prayed.

Act_16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

There was no command to change the Sabbath to the 1st day of the week anywhere in the NT.
 
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Yes, it's all about what they really mean behind what they are saying on the surface level. The fact is that to the sabbatarian, if you do not observe the seventh day sabbath as per the old covenant, you are in a state of unrepentant sin and therefore cannot be saved. To the sabbatarian, it's the obeying of commandments that saves and not the grace of Jesus Christ. To them, "grace" is defined by observing the ten commandments, especially the seventh day sabbath and they will contort sripture to "prove" it and evade many of the questions that call them out on it. It's a whole different (and false) gospel.
You hit the nail on the head! :oldthumbsup:

Like I said all along. Salvation by “grace plus law, faith plus works.” More than a subtle mixture of law and grace which is a perversion of the gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9) :(

Here is a statement below in blue made by a sabbatarian who happens to be SDA which proves both of our points:

There is another Gospel out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. The counterfeit Gospel is out there. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ."
 
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You hit the nail on the head! :oldthumbsup:

Like I said all along. Salvation by “grace plus law, faith plus works.” More than a subtle mixture of law and grace which is a perversion of the gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9) :(

Here is a statement below in blue made by a sabbatarian who happens to be SDA which proves both of our points:

There is another Gospel out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. The counterfeit Gospel is out there. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ."

LOL!! Hogwash!!
 
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The truth hurts! ;)


The truth might--but this isn't truth!---You see---I've been debating Mormons for years now, on this website. And this is one of the arguments I have with them. They believe you must keep the 10 commandments in order to enter into the presence of God. And they are very strict with Sabbath, also---except it is on Sunday. And I keep telling them, you can keep all 10 and still be lost, as God only accepts those who love Him--we keep the 10 because we are saved not in order to be saved. They insist, you have to keep the law and do other good works also. The more good works, the higher up you get. Only recently I mentioned that not one single Mormon has ever kept the 10 as they keep Sunday and the Sabbath is the 7th day. All of a sudden I got all the same arguments that we get from the Sunday keepers. I had to get off the subject as it was off topic and the thread was ending up like here--a Sabbath thread instead of what the OP had in mind (which I can't remember the topic right now).
You go ahead and keep your little misconstrued concepts of what we think. It isn't true, but if it makes your conscience feel better, and quiets it--by all means. ;)o_O

Gen 3:1..."Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?"--- Translation--God didn't really say that did He?
Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

There is a better way than what God said. His methods have not changed---and why should they, they keep working.
 
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They didn't have communion once a week. They fathered together on Sabbath not simply because the Jews were there---they preached to the Gentiles also and they never once told the Gentiles "see you on
the 1st day of the week"--
Act_13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Act_13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

They never seem to get together on the 1t day of the week to preach to the Gentiles.

The synagogue was not the only place believers met or where the discipled preached and prayed.

Act_16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

There was no command to change the Sabbath to the 1st day of the week anywhere in the NT.
The synagogue was a convenient place to preach and teach as churches were just being planted.
 
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The synagogue was a convenient place to preach and teach as churches were just being planted.

They met in homes for a very long time, the 1st church they think wasn't until about 230 AD -- and as that verse pointed out---they even met down by the rivers also.
 
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Until you [ace of hearts] actually read the details in the post. You have been ignoring the point raised entirely as your "solution" .
I would rather put forward that said person is simply trolling (2) and has provided nothing of substance (therefore nothing worth responding to), though I suspect what they are, and attempting to do.

Tit_3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
 
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It meant they gathered together often in the NT Church.

Yes, that was already made known by the texts I shared, and it was already demonstrated that the Jews (OT/NT), the Gentiles (OT/NT) and Christians (NT) could meet on any day of the week, without any prohibition from God. These things were never in question 'rlh', and do not support the disobedience to the 4th Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) as you and the others are espousing (dangerous marriage).

As stated however, Acts 20:7 is not a continual action in the Koine Greek (συνηγμενωνG4863 V-RPP-GPM; which is verb (action) - peRfect - passive - genative - plural - masculine), it is simply a one time action mentioned without reference to past or future gatherings (anything else is simply eisegeted (vainly imagined) into the text).

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Act 20:7 εν δε τη μια των σαββατων συνηγμενων των μαθητων του κλασαι αρτον ο παυλος διελεγετο αυτοις μελλων εξιεναι τη επαυριον παρετεινεν τε τον λογον μεχρι μεσονυκτιου

Act 20:7 ενG1722 PREP δεG1161 CONJ τηG3588 T-DSF μιαG1520 A-DSF τωνG3588 T-GPN σαββατωνG4521 N-GPN συνηγμενωνG4863 V-RPP-GPM τωνG3588 T-GPM μαθητωνG3101 N-GPM τουG3588 T-GSN κλασαιG2806 V-AAN αρτονG740 N-ASM οG3588 T-NSM παυλοςG3972 N-NSM διελεγετοG1256 V-INI-3S αυτοιςG846 P-DPM μελλωνG3195 V-PAP-NSM εξιεναιG1826 V-PAN τηG3588 T-DSF επαυριονG1887 ADV παρετεινενG3905 V-IAI-3S τεG5037 PRT τονG3588 T-ASM λογονG3056 N-ASM μεχριG3360 ADV μεσονυκτιουG3317 N-GSN

The very same word and tense is used in Matthew 22:41:

Mat 22:41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,

Mat 22:41 συνηγμενων δε των φαρισαιων επηρωτησεν αυτους ο ιησους

Mat 22:41 συνηγμενωνG4863 V-RPP-GPM δεG1161 CONJ τωνG3588 T-GPM φαρισαιωνG5330 N-GPM επηρωτησενG1905 V-AAI-3S αυτουςG846 P-APM οG3588 T-NSM ιησουςG2424 N-NSM

It points to a single meeting at the time of mention. It has no indication of ongoing meetings or even of past meetings. The tense is only interested in the current gathering under observation.

Again:

Mat 27:17 Therefore when they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus which is called Christ?

Mat 27:17 συνηγμενων ουν αυτων ειπεν αυτοις ο πιλατος τινα θελετε απολυσω υμιν βαραββαν η ιησουν τον λεγομενον χριστον

Mat 27:17 συνηγμενωνG4863 V-RPP-GPM ουνG3767 CONJ αυτωνG846 P-GPM ειπενG3004 V-2AAI-3S αυτοιςG846 P-DPM οG3588 T-NSM πιλατοςG4091 N-NSM τιναG5101 I-ASM θελετεG2309 V-PAI-2P απολυσωG630 V-AAS-1S υμινG4771 P-2DP βαραββανG912 N-ASM ηG2228 PRT ιησουνG2424 N-ASM τονG3588 T-ASM λεγομενονG3004 V-PPP-ASM χριστονG5547 N-ASM

It points to a single meeting at the time of mention. It has no indication of ongoing meetings or even of past meetings. The tense is only interested in the current gathering under observation.

We can find other examples of this verb form (though using a differing word/verb) in the following: Matthew 22:41, 27:17, 27:52; Luke 14:24; John 20:19,26; Acts 9:8, 20:7; 1 Corinthians 4:19, 15:20; 1 Timothy 4:2, 6:5; Hebrews 9:6, 12:23,27; 2 Peter 3:2; Revelation 6:9, 7:4, 18:24, 20:4.

Even if you were to somehow demonstrate it as an 'weekly' example, you (and the others) do not even follow the example that it explcitily gives. A night meeting (on 'saturday evening', thus 'first [day] of the week', since that is when days begin according to Genesis, etc), where an Elder preaches until midnight, followed with eating, and then more talking. There is no 'sunday morning' preaching here, it last until 'break of day' (sunrise) early sunday morning, in which Paul, the Elder, left.

Again:

How does Acts 20:7 (a onetime, latenight farewell gathering for Paul, on 'saturday night' (first [day] of the week (εν δε τη μια των σαββατων)), wherein a recorded gathering took place on a commonly numbered day of the week, as it had from the beginning of time on earth, answer the material about "Israel"?

You do know that the Jews met on any and all days of the week, right?

Indeed, and not only in Acts, yes even in the Gospels and elsewhere, the Christians [even as did the Jews] met daily, none of which eliminates obedience to God in His 4th Commandment:

Jesus met in the temple "daily" [and not only there, also synagogue, and in nature], even especially in his last week from Sunday to Tuesday, especially: John 11:55, 21:1; Matthew 26:55; Mark 14:49; Luke 19:47, 22:53; John 18:20; see additionally [in this order, read carefully], Matthew 21:10; Mark 11:11; John 12:12,13; Matthew 21:12,13,17; Mark 11:12,15,16,17,19; Matthew 26:2; Mark 14:1; Matthew 21:18,23; Mark 11:20,27; Matthew 23:37,38,39 [Parallel to Luke 13:31,32,33,34,35]

And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Acts 2:46

And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ. Acts 5:42

And does any know why this "daily"? Understand this text - Psalms 77:13

Also, Jesus met with the Disciples the 2nd day of the week here, since he spent a great deal of time with the two Disciples on the Road to Emmaus on the first day [see Luke 24:21, "...beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done"], it came to be evening [which begins the next day, when the sun sets at even, Mark 1:32; Leviticus 23:32; Genesis 1:5,8,13,19,23,31, etc ], and then they sat down to dinner, and as Jesus vanished before them, they ran back to Jerusalem at night and then Jesus met with them again, all together [thus no longer the 'first [day] of the week', but rather the second [day] of the week]:

But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them. Luke 24:29

And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. Luke 24:30

And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them, Luke 24:33

And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. Luke 24:36

Jesus also stayed for 40 days after His resurrection, His first ascension and return:

To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: Acts 1:3

Thus, since Jesus ascended for the Second time, this time from the Mount of Olives, he was there with them exactly 10 days before Pentecost [first [day] of the week], which means, we see again that Jesus was with them not merely upon the first [day] of the week.

Yet, again, what does anything in Acts 20:7 (a 'saturday night' (first [day] of the week (εν δε τη μια των σαββατων)) meeting until midnight and beyond) have to do with the given:

???

Moving on:

It means as Paul mentioned in 1 Corinthians 11 that when you gather they have The Lord’s Supper.

No, again, that is eisegeted (without any evidence whatsoever) into Acts 20:7 and a misuse of 1 Corinthians 11. 1 Corinthians 11 is Paul rebuking the corrupt/backslidden practices of the Corinthian Church which was out of harmony with the express will of God:

1Co 11:17 Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse.

1Co 11:18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.

1Co 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

1Co 11:20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

etc.

Again, where is "the cup" (Matthew 26:27; Mark 14:23; Luke 22:17,20; 1 Corinthians 10:16,21, 11:25,26,27,28), where is "the Lord's supper" (kuriakon deipnon; 1 Corinthians 11:20), where is "wash one another's feet" (John 13:12-17) in Acts 20:7? They are not present. Others simply eisegete (vainly imagine) them into the text. The text simply does not say one way or the other.

The example I showed in Acts 2:46, reveals that the disciples would gather on many days, and simply eat a meal together:

Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

Act 2:46 καθ ημεραν τε προσκαρτερουντες ομοθυμαδον εν τω ιερω κλωντες τε κατ οικον αρτον μετελαμβανον τροφης εν αγαλλιασει και αφελοτητι καρδιας

Which, if you look at the context, reveals eating of "trophes" (food, nourishment). It says nothing about that each gathering was to eat the "Lord's supper".

This was shown here:

There's an assumption being made upon your part in regards the text cited.

Can you show me "the cup" in Acts 20:7?

Can you show me the words "Lord's supper" in Acts 20:7?

Can you show me the 'footwashing' in Acts 20:7, which is commanded in John 13:14.

You can show me "klasai arton" (break bread), but that is not automatically "kuriakon deipnon" (Lord's supper).

There is a lot being eisegeted into Acts 20:7.

I can show you simple breaking of bread which is simply eating a meal:

Act_2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

Act 2:46 καθ ημεραν τε προσκαρτερουντες ομοθυμαδον εν τω ιερω κλωντες τε κατ οικον αρτον μετελαμβανον τροφης εν αγαλλιασει και αφελοτητι καρδιας

If someone wants to tell me that they follow that pattern in Acts 2:46, in desiring to say that each 'breaking bread' is the memorial of the 'Lord's supper', then do they do this 'house to house' each day of the week?

I know of no one who claims to do so.

Moving on:

In all those verses where it mentions going to the temple, well back then that is where many gathered and as such was a good place to preach Christ and the Gospel.

The Temple was where God was worshipped on any day of the week (priests were there "daily" for the people who came) and especially on the Sabbath (in Jerusalem; otherwise at synagogue (gathering place)), not merely for 'a good place to preach Christ and the Gospel' (which they did also do, Acts 4:1, 5:20,21,24,25, 42, etc.)

Luk_24:53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.

Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

Act 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Act_3:1 Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour.

Act 3:2 And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple;

Act 3:3 Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms.

Act 3:8 And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God.

Act 22:17 And it came to pass, that, when I was come again to Jerusalem, even while I prayed in the temple, I was in a trance;

Act 24:11 Because that thou mayest understand, that there are yet but twelve days since I went up to Jerusalem for to worship.

Act 24:12 And they neither found me in the temple disputing with any man, neither raising up the people, neither in the synagogues, nor in the city:
 
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Moving on:

Years later the temple was destroyed.

Indeed. As foretold in prophecy (Matthew 24:2; Mark 13:2; Luke 19:44, 21:6,20, etc (as also found in type in Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, etc)). What has that to do with Acts 20:7 in Troas (many miles from Jerusalem or still then standing Temple) in the least? The disciples also worshipped God in the synagogues (Acts 9:2, 13:14) and in nature (Acts 16:13) where there was possibly no synagogue.

Act_9:2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

Act_13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.

Later on, those of 'the way' were forcibly removed from the synagogues also, and a curse (to Jesus, which a Christian could not say) was added to the 'prayer' of those Jews in the synagogue who remained to single out any of 'the way' who might seek to remain (Birkat ha-Minim).

Did the disciples preach and teach from the Word of God in the synagogues also? Of course, that is what all Jews did before them and never in question. It is what happens to this very day even on many days of the week. None of that has anything to say about your (and others) disobedience to the 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11).

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No more gathering there and no more the assembly convocated for feast days.

Indeed. What has this detour to do with Acts 20:7 (many miles from Jerusalem, while the Temple and synagogues still stood)?

The feasts are to be kept anti-typically (1 Corinthians 5:8), not typically (Colossians 2:16). This means that Christ is the Passover at AD 31 (1 Corinthians 5:7), the "unleavened" (without sin) (1 Corinthians 5:6-8), the firstfruits from the dead (1 Corinthians 15:20,23) and after His ascenstion from Mt Olivet, wherein He was anointed in Heaven as the Great High Priest for service in the true Heavenly Temple (Hebrews 8:2; wherein we have an Altar; Hebrews 13:10 (a; re-used); Revelation 8:3, 9:13) as the True Pentecost was "fully come" as it is written (Acts 2:1-3,33; Psalms 133:1-3; Revelation 5:6, etc), but there were other anti-typical feasts that would come on "prophetic" time, in their proper "seasons" as Daniel 8:13-14,26, 12:11-13; Revelation 9:5,6,10,13-15, 14:6-7, etc, reveal, such as the true feast of Trumpets (anoucement of judgment, Revelation 9:5,6,10), Atonement (right now; Daniel 8:13-14,26; Revelation 9:13-15, 14:6-7), and Tabernacles (to come, Revelation 14:15-20).

It is written:

Mat_18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

Thus the place is not really relevant to this present discussion, on Acts 20:7.

Paul preached in synagogues because that is where people gathered before churches were planted.

You are mistaken. It is not an 'only'. Did Paul preach in the synagogues? Of course. As at the Temple (where he also prayed and worshipped God) and in Nature (Acts 16:13, where the primary function was for "prayer"), and in the markets (Acts 17:17), and at pagan sites in the open (Acts 17:19), and before Thrones (Acts 13:17) and in private houses (Acts 20:7), etc, etc.

Act 22:17 And it came to pass, that, when I was come again to Jerusalem, even while I prayed in the temple, I was in a trance;

Act 24:11 Because that thou mayest understand, that there are yet but twelve days since I went up to Jerusalem for to worship.

Act 24:12 And they neither found me in the temple disputing with any man, neither raising up the people, neither in the synagogues, nor in the city:

Act_16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

Act 17:18 Then certain philosophers of the Epicureans, and of the Stoicks, encountered him. And some said, What will this babbler say? other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection.

Act 17:19 And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is?

Act 13:7 Which was with the deputy of the country, Sergius Paulus, a prudent man; who called for Barnabas and Saul, and desired to hear the word of God.

None of that gives allowance to disobey God in the 4th Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11). In fact, it is simply following the perfect pattern of Jesus, beginning in Luke 4:14-19. What did Paul do that Jesus didn't already do in keeping the commandments of God as our example? Is the Gospel to be proclaimed every day, and on the Sabbath? Of course. Preaching the Gospel and teaching the doctrines of Christ Jesus are in harmony with the example Jesus set in keeping the Sabbath. Those things are not antagonistic to one another, but in atonement, harmony, see:

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

You and others pretend that when Paul was preaching on the sabbath at a synagogue or temple or in nature, etc that it was somehow against sabbath-keeping or a disregard for it, or simply a beneficial time to reach gathered person, and not a perfect example of keeping it as Jesus did (Luke 4; etc).

Moving on:

Was there an explicit situation where Gentile believers were commanded to meet in the synagogue on the 7th day of the week?

All men everywhere are commanded to repent and keep God's commandments (Acts 17:30; Revelation 14:6-7). God makes no distinction, for all men, Jew or Gentile, come from Adam (Mark 2:27).

Act 14:15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
Act 14:16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

They (Gentile belivers) already were (John 12:20; Acts 13:16,26,42,43, 14:1), read Gospels & Acts. There was even a place at the Temple called the courtyard of the Gentiles.

Exodus 20:8-11; Isaiah 56:1,8; John 10:16; Isaiah 56:2-7; John 14:15; Exodus 20:6; Acts 14:15-16, 17:30; Acts 15:21; Revelation 14:6-7, 22:14, etc. Also found all through Paul, James, Peter and John's epistles.

Jesus Himself is the example of sabbath-keeping (Exodus 20:8-11) for the Gentiles, and for the Jews:

Luk_2:32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.
 
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They believe you must keep the 10 commandments in order to enter into the presence of God. And they are very strict with Sabbath, also---except it is on Sunday.

For your and the LDS (Mormon) benefit:

The Sabbath of the LORD thy God (Exodus 20:8-11), the Sign and Seal, and How it is connected with the Everlasting Gospel - LDS Freedom Forum

LDS sources:

"God’s Laws Remain Constant

“Although the world has changed, the laws of God remain constant. They have not changed; they will not change. The Ten Commandments are just that—commandments. They are not suggestions. They are every bit as requisite today as they were when God gave them to the children of Israel. If we but listen, we hear the echo of God’s voice, speaking to us here and now. …

“Our code of conduct is definitive; it is not negotiable. It is found not only in the Ten Commandments but also in the Sermon on the Mount, given to us by the Savior when He walked upon the earth. It is found throughout His teachings. It is found in the words of modern revelation.

“Our Father in Heaven is the same yesterday, today, and forever. The prophet Mormon tells us that God is ‘unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity’ [Moroni 8:18]. In this world where nearly everything seems to be changing, His constancy is something on which we can rely, an anchor to which we can hold fast and be safe, lest we be swept away into uncharted waters.”" [Words of the Prophet -President Thomas S. Monson; LDS.org] - http://www.lds.org/new-era/2011/11/gene ... mmandments

According to the official stance taken by the LDS church, from the official LDS.org website:

"The Ten Commandments are eternal gospel principles that are necessary for our exaltation. The Lord revealed them to Moses in ancient times (see Exodus 20:1–17), and they are also referenced in whole or in part in other books of scripture (see Matthew 19:18–19; Romans 13:9; Mosiah 12:33–36; 13:13–24; D&C 42:18–29; 59:5–13; 63:61–62). The Ten Commandments are a vital part of the gospel. Obedience to these commandments paves the way for obedience to other gospel principles. " [LDS.org, Ten Commandments] - http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?l ... 82620aRCRD

Notice, the offical LDS.org site, cites Exodus 20:1-17, and let us see what it says in Exodus 20:8-11 [from LDS.org; classic, or check with Internet Archives WayBack Machine for the older version of the website]:

"8 Remember the {a} sabbath day, to keep it {b} holy.

9 {a} Six days shalt thou {b} labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy {a} stranger that is within thy gates:

11 For in {a} six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord {b} blessed the sabbath day, and {c} hallowed it." [4th Commandment; LDS.org]http://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/ex/20? ... g/en/ex/20

Ex 20:8 [Notation] - “the {a} sabbath day” - “HEB stopping, cessation, rest (from labor). See Ex. 31:17. TG Sabbath.” Ex. 31:17 given as “17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.”

Ex. 20:9 [Notation] - “{a} Six days” - “Ex. 35:2.” - Ex. 35:2 given as “2 Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the Lord: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.”

Ex. 20:11 [Notation] - “For in {a} six days” - “Ex. 31:17; Moses 2:31 (24–31).” Ex. 31:17 given as “17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.”; [LDS Book of Mormon] Moses 2:24-31.

Ex. 20:11 [Notation] - “{b} blessed the sabbath day” - “Gen. 2:3 (1–3); Mosiah 13:19; D&C 77:12; Moses 3:3.” Gen. 2:3 (1-3) given as “1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.”; [LDS Book of Mormon] Mosiah 13:19 given as “19 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is; wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.”; [LDS Doctrine & Covenants] D&C 77:12; [LDS Book of Mormon] Moses 3:3 given as “3 And I, God, blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it; because that in it I had rested from all my work which I, God, had created and made.”

Ex. 20:11 [Notation] - “and {c} hallowed it.” - “OR sanctified or consecrated.”

Notice which Day that LDS.org officially cites from Scripture Exodus 20:8-11.

The 7th Day, the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, ... unchangeable, constant, as the Character of God, Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever... I change not...

Again notice, from official LDS.org:

"The Lord personally gave counsel to his children regarding the importance and sacredness of the Sabbath day.

He said, “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

“Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

“But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

“For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.” (Ex. 20:8–11.)

The Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it, and he has asked us to remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. It is a day for spiritual thought and growth; a day to meet with the saints and to partake of the sacrament; a special hallowed day to read the words of God as recorded in his sacred scriptures.

Fathers who disrespect that which God hallowed and fail to keep the Sabbath day holy will generally pass this sin on to their posterity. It is a sin to unhallow that which God hath hallowed. Keeping the Sabbath day holy has a hallowing effect on the soul of man, and love for God and his commandments is increased." [The Ten Commandments; Elder Bernard P. Brockbank; Assistant to the Council of the Twelve] - The Ten Commandments - ensign

Another:

"Elder Bruce R. McConkie (1915–85) of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles stated that Sabbath observance is an eternal principle, and he noted five occurrences in the scriptures when observance of the Sabbath day was required by the Lord:

From the day of Adam to the Exodus from Egypt, the Sabbath commemorated the fact that Christ rested from his creative labors on the 7th day (Ex. 20:8-11).” - http://www.lds.org/ensign/2000/02/keepi ... y?lang=eng

"The Sabbath was a holy day before the giving of the law, even from the earliest times (cf. the account of the creation-- Gen. 2:2-3; the sacredness of the number 7; the narrative of the manna --Ex. 16:23-30; and the narrative of the man gathering sticks--Num. 15:32-36; cf. v. 34); ... for the Sabbath is an eternal principle, and would have existed from the days of Adam, whenever the gospel was on the earth among men." - http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bd/sabbat ... g&letter=s
 
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They believe you must keep the 10 commandments in order to enter into the presence of God. And they are very strict with Sabbath, also---except it is on Sunday.

For your and the LDS (Mormon) benefit:

The Sabbath of the LORD thy God (Exodus 20:8-11), the Sign and Seal, and How it is connected with the Everlasting Gospel - LDS Freedom Forum

LDS sources:

More:

Jarom 1:5 Book Of Mormon: 5 And now, behold, *two hundred years had passed away, and the people of Nephi had waxed strong in the land. They observed to akeep the law of Moses and the bsabbath day holy unto the Lord. And they cprofaned not; neither did they dblaspheme. And the elaws of the land were exceedingly strict. - Jarom 1

Notation Pages for Jarom 1:5:

A - 2 Ne. 25: 24. 24 And, notwithstanding we believe in Christ, we akeep the law of Moses, and look forward with steadfastness unto Christ, until the law shall be fulfilled. Mosiah 2: 3. 3 And they also took of the afirstlings of their flocks, that they might offer bsacrifice and cburnt dofferings eaccording to the law of Moses; Alma 30: 3. 3 Yea, and the people did observe to keep the commandments of the Lord; and they were strict in observing the aordinances of God, according to the law of Moses; for they were taught to bkeep the law of Moses until it should be fulfilled. Alma 34: 14 (13-14) 14 And behold, this is the whole ameaning of the blaw, every whit cpointing to that great and last dsacrifice; and that great and last esacrifice will be the Son of God, yea, finfinite and eternal. - Jarom 1: 5

B - Ex. 35: 2. 2 aSix days shall bwork be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a csabbath of rest to the Lord: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to ddeath. TG Sabbath.- Jarom 1: 5

C - TG Profanity. - Jarom 1: 5

D - TG Blasphemy - Jarom 1: 5

E - Alma 1: 1. 1 Now it came to pass that in the first year of the reign of the judges over the people of Nephi, from this time forward, king Mosiah having agone the way of all the earth, having warred a good warfare, walking uprightly before God, leaving none to reign in his stead; nevertheless he had established blaws, and they were acknowledged by the people; therefore they were obliged to abide by the claws which he had made. - Jarom 1: 5

Mosiah 13:16-19 Book Of Mormon: 16 Remember the asabbath day, to keep it holy. 17 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work; 18 But the seventh day, the sabbath of the Lord thy God, thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; 19 For in asix days the Lord made heaven and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is; wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. - Mosiah 13

Notation Pages for Mosiah 13:16 -

A - Mosiah 18: 23. 23 And he commanded them that they should observe the asabbath day, and keep it holy, and also every day they should give thanks to the Lord their God. TG Sabbath. - Mosiah 13: 16

Notation Pages for Mosiah 13:19 -

A - Gen. 1: 31. 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very agood. And the evening and the morning were the bsixth day. Ex. 20: 11. 11 For in asix days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord bblessed the sabbath day, and challowed it. - Mosiah 13: 19

Mosiah 18:23 Book Of Mormon: 23 And he commanded them that they should observe the asabbath day, and keep it holy, and also every day they should give thanks to the Lord their God. - Mosiah 18

Notation Page For Mosiah 18:23:

A - Ex. 35: 2. 2 aSix days shall bwork be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a csabbath of rest to the Lord: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to ddeath. Mosiah 13: 16 (16-19) 16 Remember the asabbath day, to keep it holy. - Mosiah 18: 23

III Nephi 18:14 Book Of Mormon: 14 Therefore blessed are ye if ye shall keep my commandments, which the Father hath commanded me that I should give unto you. - 3 Nephi 18

The Doctrine And Covenants Of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-day Saints; Section 59, #9-12: 9 And that thou mayest more fully keep thyself aunspotted from the world, thou shalt go to the house of bprayer and offer up thy csacraments upon my dholy day; 10 For verily this is a aday appointed unto you to rest from your labors, and to pay thy devotions unto the Most High; 11 Nevertheless thy avows shall be offered up in righteousness on all days and at all times; 12 But remember that on this, the aLord’s day, thou shalt offer thine boblations and thy sacraments unto the Most High, cconfessing thy sins unto thy brethren, and before the Lord. - Doctrine and Covenants 59

Notation Page for D&C; Section 59, #9, D:

D - Lev. 19: 3. 3 ¶ Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my asabbaths: I am the bLord your God. Lev. 23: 3. 3 Six days shall work be done: but the aseventh day is the bsabbath of rest, an holy cconvocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the dsabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings. Alma 1: 26 (26-27) 26 And when the priests left their alabor to impart the word of God unto the people, the people also left their labors to hear the word of God. And when the priest had imparted unto them the word of God they all returned again diligently unto their labors; and the priest, not esteeming himself above his hearers, for the preacher was no better than the hearer, neither was the teacher any better than the learner; and thus they were all equal, and they did all labor, every man baccording to his strength. D&C 68: 29. 29 And the inhabitants of Zion shall also observe the aSabbath day to keep it holy. TG Sabbath. - Doctrine and Covenants 59: 9

Notation Page for D&C; Section 59, #10, A:

A - Ex. 35: 2. 2 aSix days shall bwork be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a csabbath of rest to the Lord: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to ddeath. Lev. 23: 25. 25 Ye shall do no servile awork therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord. TG Rest. TG Worship. - Doctrine and Covenants 59: 10

Notation Page for D&C; Section 59, #12, A:

A - Neh. 8: 10. 10 Then he said unto them, Go your way, eat the fat, and drink the sweet, and send aportions unto them for whom nothing is prepared: for this bday is holy unto our Lord: neither be ye csorry; for the joy of the Lord is your dstrength. Rev. 1: 10. 10 I was in the Spirit on the aLord’s bday, and heard behind me a great cvoice, as of a trumpet, - Doctrine and Covenants 59: 12

The Doctrine And Covenants Of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-day Saints; Section 68, #29: 29 And the inhabitants of Zion shall also observe the aSabbath day to keep it holy. - Doctrine and Covenants 68

Notation Page for D&C; Section 68, #29:

A - Alma 1: 26 (26-27) 26 And when the priests left their alabor to impart the word of God unto the people, the people also left their labors to hear the word of God. And when the priest had imparted unto them the word of God they all returned again diligently unto their labors; and the priest, not esteeming himself above his hearers, for the preacher was no better than the hearer, neither was the teacher any better than the learner; and thus they were all equal, and they did all labor, every man baccording to his strength. D&C 59: 9. 9 And that thou mayest more fully keep thyself aunspotted from the world, thou shalt go to the house of bprayer and offer up thy csacraments upon my dholy day; TG Sabbath. - Doctrine and Covenants 68: 29
 
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The exact quote is:
4And he was reasoning in the synagogue every Sabbath and trying to persuade Jews and Greeks.
Was he trying to persuade them or they needed to keep the Law?

He was trying to persuade them that "what matters is KEEPING the commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
He was trying to persuade them to "Honor your father and mother" because "this is the first commandment WITH a promise" Eph 6:2 ...in that distinct unit of TEN.
He was trying to persuade them that "it is not the HEARERS of the LAW that are just before God but the DOERS of the LAW WILL be JUSTIFIED" Rom 2:13
He was trying to persuade them of the basics "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31
He was trying to remind them that it is only the lost who "do NOT submit to the LAW of God neither indeed CAN they" Romans 8:4-11.
 
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They believe you must keep the 10 commandments in order to enter into the presence of God. And they are very strict with Sabbath, also---except it is on Sunday.

For your and the LDS (Mormon) benefit:

The Sabbath of the LORD thy God (Exodus 20:8-11), the Sign and Seal, and How it is connected with the Everlasting Gospel - LDS Freedom Forum

LDS sources:

The Book Of Moses [LDS]; Selections From; June - October 1830; Chapter 3:1-3: 1 Thus the aheaven and the earth were finished, and all the bhost of them. 2 And on the seventh day I, God, ended my work, and all things which I had made; and I arested on the bseventh day from all my work, and all things which I had made were finished, and I, God, saw that they were good; 3 And I, God, ablessed the seventh day, and bsanctified it; because that in it I had rested from all my cwork which I, God, had created and made. - Moses 3

Notation Page for BoM[oses]; Chapter 3:2

A - Gen. 2: 2 (1-3) 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had amade; and he brested on the seventh day from all his cwork which he had made. Abr. 5: 2 (1-3) 2 And the Gods said among themselves: On the seventh time we will end our work, which we have counseled; and we will arest on the bseventh time from all our work which we have counseled. TG Rest. - Moses 3: 2

B - TG Sabbath - Moses 3: 2

Notation Page for BoM[oses]; Chapter 3:3

A - Ex. 20: 11. 11 For in asix days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord bblessed the sabbath day, and challowed it. Mosiah 13: 19. 19 For in asix days the Lord made heaven and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is; wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. D&C 77: 12. 12 Q. What are we to understand by the sounding of the atrumpets, mentioned in the 8th chapter of Revelation? A. We are to understand that as God bmade the world in six days, and on the seventh day he finished his work, and csanctified it, and also formed man out of the ddust of the earth, even so, in the beginning of the seventh thousand years will the Lord God esanctify the earth, and complete the salvation of man, and fjudge all things, and shall gredeem all things, except that which he hath not put into his power, when he shall have sealed all things, unto the end of all things; and the sounding of the trumpets of the seven angels are the preparing and finishing of his work, in the beginning of the seventh thousand years—the hpreparing of the way before the time of his coming. - Moses 3: 3

B - Abr. 5: 3 (1-3) 3 And the Gods concluded upon the seventh time, because that on the seventh time they would arest from all their bworks which they (the Gods) counseled among themselves to form; and csanctified it. And thus were their decisions at the time that they counseled among themselves to form the heavens and the earth. - Moses 3: 3

C - Ex. 31: 15 (14-15) 15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of arest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any bwork in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Mosiah 13: 18 (16-19) 18 But the seventh day, the sabbath of the Lord thy God, thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; - Moses 3: 3

The Book Of Abraham; Translated From The Papyrus, By Joseph Smith, Chapter 5:1-3: 1 And thus we will finish the heavens and the earth, and all the ahosts of them. 2 And the Gods said among themselves: On the seventh time we will end our work, which we have counseled; and we will arest on the bseventh time from all our work which we have counseled. 3 And the Gods concluded upon the seventh time, because that on the seventh time they would arest from all their bworks which they (the Gods) counseled among themselves to form; and csanctified it. And thus were their decisions at the time that they counseled among themselves to form the heavens and the earth. - Abraham 5

Notation Page for BoA; Chapter 5:2

A - TG Rest. - Abraham 5: 2

B - TG Sabbath - Abraham 5: 2

Notation Page for BoA; Chapter 5:3:

A - Ex. 20: 8 (8-11) 8 Remember the asabbath day, to keep it bholy. - Abraham 5: 3

B - Ex. 31: 15 (15-16) 15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of arest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any bwork in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Mosiah 13: 18 (16-19) 18 But the seventh day, the sabbath of the Lord thy God, thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; - Abraham 5: 3

C - Mosiah 13: 19 (16-19) 19 For in asix days the Lord made heaven and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is; wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. D&C 77: 12. 12 Q. What are we to understand by the sounding of the atrumpets, mentioned in the 8th chapter of Revelation? A. We are to understand that as God bmade the world in six days, and on the seventh day he finished his work, and csanctified it, and also formed man out of the ddust of the earth, even so, in the beginning of the seventh thousand years will the Lord God esanctify the earth, and complete the salvation of man, and fjudge all things, and shall gredeem all things, except that which he hath not put into his power, when he shall have sealed all things, unto the end of all things; and the sounding of the trumpets of the seven angels are the preparing and finishing of his work, in the beginning of the seventh thousand years—the hpreparing of the way before the time of his coming. - Abraham 5: 3

Now some, inspite of their own writings, say this:

Another:

"B.

The Sabbath day was changed in the meridian dispensation.

“The Church accepts Sunday as the Christian Sabbath and proclaims the sanctity of the day. We admit without argument that under the Mosaic law the seventh day of the week, Saturday, was designated and observed as the holy day, and that the change from Saturday to Sunday was a feature of the apostolic administration following the personal ministry of Jesus Christ. Greater than the question of this day or that in the week is the actuality of the weekly Sabbath, to be observed as a day of special and particular devotion to the service of the Lord” (James E. Talmage, The Articles of Faith, 449)."- http://www.lds.org/manual/doctrines-of- ... &clang=eng

Notice that what the LDS scriptures and prophets say is perpetual, unalterable, and a sin to unhallow, in another place is somehow 'changed' and 'accepted' [not by Jesus they say, but by the church], but they cannot place exactly where in history this took place, for no such example or commandment in scripture exists for it to be so changed, and even the passages of Jarom it denies any such change.

The argumentation of an 'apostolic' change after Jesus, is Roman Catholic doctrine... and I was born into and raised Roman Catholic for 30 years and I can officially cite their position ...

... it seems certain men (Jesuits) have crept in unawares ...

LDS, who are you loyal to? Man or God. Time to search the scriptures with all your heart.

If I asked the elder, or ward bishop, or stake president, or one or all of the quorum of seventy, or yet higher still in the congregation of LDS, including the LDS president [prophet], would any of them tell me that they could not be sure which day is the "first [day] of the week" according to the Bible is? How then can “the 7th”, be “the first”???, how can that which is made “Holy” by God, be altered, changed and accepted by men???

"...the first day of the week, Sunday..."http://www.lds.org/topics/sabbath?lang= ... 82620aRCRD

Which day does the LDS congregation celebrate "Easter"? Which day does the LDS congregation officially recognize as the day of the resurrection? They say it is the “first day of the week”, and not the 7th Day, as the LDS scripture say to keep...

"The Savior was ... resurrected. The New Testament contains several accounts testifying that He rose from the tomb (see Matthew 28:1-8; Mark 16:1-14; Luke 24:1-48; John 20:1-29; 1 Corinthians 15:1-8; 2 Peter 1:16-17)." - Resurrection

Therefore, the official LDS scriptures clearly demonstrates which day is "the seventh day", the true Lord's Day, and which day is the "first [day] of the week", and the two shall ever be separate, for the 7th Day is Holy, and the first is not...

It can be traced from Now till Jesus and back to creation.

What will those who follow truth do? Will they brush it aside, or will they begin a reformation, beginning with themselves.

Is it right to unhallow the 7th day, the day God rested and to hallow another? I follow truth. I follow Christ Jesus, John 14:6, 14:15; Exodus 20:6.

What man, or group of men, can say contrary to God's demonstration from Creation?
 
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Yes, that was already made known by the texts I shared, and it was already demonstrated that the Jews (OT/NT), the Gentiles (OT/NT) and Christians (NT) could meet on any day of the week, without any prohibition from God. These things were never in question 'rlh', and do not support the disobedience to the 4th Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) as you and the others are espousing (dangerous marriage).

As stated however, Acts 20:7 is not a continual action in the Koine Greek (συνηγμενωνG4863 V-RPP-GPM; which is verb (action) - peRfect - passive - genative - plural - masculine), it is simply a one time action mentioned without reference to past or future gatherings (anything else is simply eisegeted (vainly imagined) into the text).

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Act 20:7 εν δε τη μια των σαββατων συνηγμενων των μαθητων του κλασαι αρτον ο παυλος διελεγετο αυτοις μελλων εξιεναι τη επαυριον παρετεινεν τε τον λογον μεχρι μεσονυκτιου

Act 20:7 ενG1722 PREP δεG1161 CONJ τηG3588 T-DSF μιαG1520 A-DSF τωνG3588 T-GPN σαββατωνG4521 N-GPN συνηγμενωνG4863 V-RPP-GPM τωνG3588 T-GPM μαθητωνG3101 N-GPM τουG3588 T-GSN κλασαιG2806 V-AAN αρτονG740 N-ASM οG3588 T-NSM παυλοςG3972 N-NSM διελεγετοG1256 V-INI-3S αυτοιςG846 P-DPM μελλωνG3195 V-PAP-NSM εξιεναιG1826 V-PAN τηG3588 T-DSF επαυριονG1887 ADV παρετεινενG3905 V-IAI-3S τεG5037 PRT τονG3588 T-ASM λογονG3056 N-ASM μεχριG3360 ADV μεσονυκτιουG3317 N-GSN

The very same word and tense is used in Matthew 22:41:

Mat 22:41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,

Mat 22:41 συνηγμενων δε των φαρισαιων επηρωτησεν αυτους ο ιησους

Mat 22:41 συνηγμενωνG4863 V-RPP-GPM δεG1161 CONJ τωνG3588 T-GPM φαρισαιωνG5330 N-GPM επηρωτησενG1905 V-AAI-3S αυτουςG846 P-APM οG3588 T-NSM ιησουςG2424 N-NSM

It points to a single meeting at the time of mention. It has no indication of ongoing meetings or even of past meetings. The tense is only interested in the current gathering under observation.

Again:

Mat 27:17 Therefore when they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus which is called Christ?

Mat 27:17 συνηγμενων ουν αυτων ειπεν αυτοις ο πιλατος τινα θελετε απολυσω υμιν βαραββαν η ιησουν τον λεγομενον χριστον

Mat 27:17 συνηγμενωνG4863 V-RPP-GPM ουνG3767 CONJ αυτωνG846 P-GPM ειπενG3004 V-2AAI-3S αυτοιςG846 P-DPM οG3588 T-NSM πιλατοςG4091 N-NSM τιναG5101 I-ASM θελετεG2309 V-PAI-2P απολυσωG630 V-AAS-1S υμινG4771 P-2DP βαραββανG912 N-ASM ηG2228 PRT ιησουνG2424 N-ASM τονG3588 T-ASM λεγομενονG3004 V-PPP-ASM χριστονG5547 N-ASM

It points to a single meeting at the time of mention. It has no indication of ongoing meetings or even of past meetings. The tense is only interested in the current gathering under observation.

We can find other examples of this verb form (though using a differing word/verb) in the following: Matthew 22:41, 27:17, 27:52; Luke 14:24; John 20:19,26; Acts 9:8, 20:7; 1 Corinthians 4:19, 15:20; 1 Timothy 4:2, 6:5; Hebrews 9:6, 12:23,27; 2 Peter 3:2; Revelation 6:9, 7:4, 18:24, 20:4.

Even if you were to somehow demonstrate it as an 'weekly' example, you (and the others) do not even follow the example that it explcitily gives. A night meeting (on 'saturday evening', thus 'first [day] of the week', since that is when days begin according to Genesis, etc), where an Elder preaches until midnight, followed with eating, and then more talking. There is no 'sunday morning' preaching here, it last until 'break of day' (sunrise) early sunday morning, in which Paul, the Elder, left.

Again:



Moving on:



No, again, that is eisegeted (without any evidence whatsoever) into Acts 20:7 and a misuse of 1 Corinthians 11. 1 Corinthians 11 is Paul rebuking the corrupt/backslidden practices of the Corinthian Church which was out of harmony with the express will of God:

1Co 11:17 Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse.

1Co 11:18 For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it.

1Co 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

1Co 11:20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

etc.

Again, where is "the cup" (Matthew 26:27; Mark 14:23; Luke 22:17,20; 1 Corinthians 10:16,21, 11:25,26,27,28), where is "the Lord's supper" (kuriakon deipnon; 1 Corinthians 11:20), where is "wash one another's feet" (John 13:12-17) in Acts 20:7? They are not present. Others simply eisegete (vainly imagine) them into the text. The text simply does not say one way or the other.

The example I showed in Acts 2:46, reveals that the disciples would gather on many days, and simply eat a meal together:

Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

Act 2:46 καθ ημεραν τε προσκαρτερουντες ομοθυμαδον εν τω ιερω κλωντες τε κατ οικον αρτον μετελαμβανον τροφης εν αγαλλιασει και αφελοτητι καρδιας

Which, if you look at the context, reveals eating of "trophes" (food, nourishment). It says nothing about that each gathering was to eat the "Lord's supper".

This was shown here:



Moving on:



The Temple was where God was worshipped on any day of the week (priests were there "daily" for the people who came) and especially on the Sabbath (in Jerusalem; otherwise at synagogue (gathering place)), not merely for 'a good place to preach Christ and the Gospel' (which they did also do, Acts 4:1, 5:20,21,24,25, 42, etc.)

Luk_24:53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.

Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

Act 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Act_3:1 Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour.

Act 3:2 And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple;

Act 3:3 Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms.

Act 3:8 And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God.

Act 22:17 And it came to pass, that, when I was come again to Jerusalem, even while I prayed in the temple, I was in a trance;

Act 24:11 Because that thou mayest understand, that there are yet but twelve days since I went up to Jerusalem for to worship.

Act 24:12 And they neither found me in the temple disputing with any man, neither raising up the people, neither in the synagogues, nor in the city:
I’m still not seeing the command to meet on the 7th day and observe Temple Judaism.

The Temple was destroyed and with it the center of observance.

Paul’s epistle to the Gentile only audience in Ephesians would have been a very good opportunity to lay out to them the parts of the Mosaic Law they were to observe. In fact he rebukes the Galatians for adding Law to what he taught.

Notice the apostles did explicitly teach to lead pure lives and they are quite clear in noting what are the sins of the flesh aka the moral laws. Not one admonishment for not observing the Sabbath. None.

Therefore you would have to argue every church Paul, Peter, James, John and Jude wrote to were perfectly observing Mosaic Law including the Sabbath. This is an argument from silence, which is what Rome does with her traditions.

So why don’t we look at this practically as Jesus did. The Sabbath was made for man. Jesus healed on the Sabbath under the old covenant. He did Good on the Sabbath.
 
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He was trying to persuade them that "what matters is KEEPING the commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
He was trying to persuade them to "Honor your father and mother" because "this is the first commandment WITH a promise" Eph 6:2 ...in that distinct unit of TEN.
He was trying to persuade them that "it is not the HEARERS of the LAW that are just before God but the DOERS of the LAW WILL be JUSTIFIED" Rom 2:13
He was trying to persuade them of the basics "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31
He was trying to remind them that it is only the lost who "do NOT submit to the LAW of God neither indeed CAN they" Romans 8:4-11.

Indeed, yet Paul, under inspriation of the Holy Ghost writes to them:

Heb 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

but what is done instead:

Isa_5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

What is good?

Rom_7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Rom_7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.

1Ti_1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

What is Light?

Pro_6:23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

What is sweet?

Psa 119:97 MEM. O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.
Psa 119:98 Thou through thy commandments hast made me wiser than mine enemies: for they are ever with me.
Psa 119:103 How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!

Exo_20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
 
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I’m still not seeing ...

There is hope, so long as you admit you cannot see:

Luk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Luk 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

Luk_4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Luk 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

But if you claim you can see, you say God's diagnosis of you is in error:

Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

That which brings sight, is light:

Mat_6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

Mat_6:23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

Luk_11:34 The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness.

That Light:

Pro_6:23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

Joh_8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
 
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The truth hurts! ;)

Truth cuts to heal, to relieve from sin (1 John 3:4). - Revelation 3:19; Deuteronomy 8:5; Proverbs 13:24; Hebrews 12:6,7

Truth is defined by scripture: Psalms 119:142, Psalms 119:151.

Lies cut to kill and bring death through sin (1 John 3:4). - John 8:44; Romans 6:2; 1 John 3:8

Liars are defined by scripture: 1 John 2:4.

You are identified by scripture, by what you say: Ezekiel 22:28

We are identified by scripture by what we say: Zephaniah 3:13
 
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He was trying to persuade them that "what matters is KEEPING the commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
This was in the context of circumcision. Therefore, he specifically says don’t circumsize those who are not.

Is Paul then abrogating the portion of the Mosaic Law for circumcision? How can the Corinthians keep the commands of God given at Sinai if they are not to circumsize the Gentiles?

He was trying to persuade them to "Honor your father and mother" because "this is the first commandment WITH a promise"
Indeed and that is explicitly confirmed by him no? Where is the same for the Sabbath?

He was trying to persuade them that "it is not the HEARERS of the LAW that are just before God but the DOERS of the LAW WILL be JUSTIFIED" Rom 2:13
Yes and what does he say in Romans 3:20?


20Therefore no one will be justified in His sight by works of the Law. For the Law merely brings awareness of sin.

He was trying to persuade them of the basics "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31

This after verses 1-30. Kind of thinking the context here is the Righteousness of God which is explained in the next two chapters. If you want to use this as a proof text then it includes circumcision.

He was trying to remind them that it is only the lost who "do NOT submit to the LAW of God neither indeed CAN they" Romans 8:4-11.

This is a total fail of context.

1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.a 2For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life has set youb free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the Law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin. He thus condemned sin in the flesh, 4so that the righteous standard of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. (NASB)

What the Law failed to do in the flesh Christ conquered with His death and resurrection. Keep reading.
 
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Heb 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
I may have missed it, but where is 7th day Sabbath keeping taught in Hebrews?
 
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