Should alcohol be illegal?

jayem · Dec 9, 2018

AliveinChrist99 said:
The theory of Evolution as the greatest gift to mankind ????
That’s a gift I don’t want.

OK, you can substitute Newton's laws of mechanics. Or how about The Beatles? :idea:

durangodawood · Dec 9, 2018

Junker P Hoodwink said:
....My anti-alcohol views do not stem from my religion. Even Jesus drank wine during the Last Supper. But it’s not like they had cars back then.

This seems to argue more for cars being illegal, rather than alcohol.

I mean,
1. alcohol precedes cars
2. Jesus drank alcohol himself
3. Jesus made an alcoholic product for the sake of our enjoyment (wedding festivities)
4. Cars came well after alcohol was an establish part of human culture.
5. Even in the absence of alcohol, cars are still incredibly dangerous.

Desk trauma · Dec 9, 2018

Junker P Hoodwink said:
The problem is that a lot of people can’t drink alcohol responsibility. I know I can’t. If I drink one drink, I always want another, then another, and another. I don’t stop until I’m too tired to drink anymore. Then I just wait until the tiredness subsides, then begin drinking again. My problem is horrible, and so many others—in fact, I would say millions of others—have this same problem.

Would your problem have been improved with the addition of a criminal conviction?

Hank77 · Dec 9, 2018

Junker P Hoodwink said:
The problem is that a lot of people can’t drink alcohol responsibility. I know I can’t. If I drink one drink, I always want another, then another, and another. I don’t stop until I’m too tired to drink anymore. Then I just wait until the tiredness subsides, then begin drinking again. My problem is horrible, and so many others—in fact, I would say millions of others—have this same problem.

How many people are dying daily from illegal drugs?

Desk trauma · Dec 9, 2018

Hank77 said:
How many people are dying daily from illegal drugs?

174 in 2016 per the CDC.

Worth mentioning is that heart disease killed 1740 per day in that same year and diabetes carried off another 240. The majority of those deaths were avoidable via diet and lifestyle changes. If we are going to abridge peoples liberty on the basis of health would not it make sense to start with the most deadly issues?

eleos1954 · Dec 9, 2018

Junker P Hoodwink said:
Serious question: should alcohol be illegal? As someone who used to have a terrible—and indeed dangerous—alcoholism problem, I would say yes. I used to drink and drink and drink, and I would never stop. There would even be times when I would go on multi-day drinking binges and consume 20 drinks a day for three or four days until taking a break. I had a horrific problem with alcohol, as do so many people today, and it needs to be illegal.

The Prohibition days seemed like some sort of throw-back puritanical code from a bygone era. The truth, though, is that Prohibition advocates were right despite their unpopularity. Why? Well, just go to a Google news search and type in “drunk driver fatality,” and you will see an abundance of reports where a drunk driver killed a pedestrian or other driver because of his drinking. None of these accidents would have taken place had alcohol been illegal.

My anti-alcohol views do not stem from my religion. Even Jesus drank wine during the Last Supper. But it’s not like they had cars back then.

"Even Jesus drank wine during the Last Supper." There is a difference between new wine and fermented wine .... new wine is like grape juice.

Then Jesus took the cup and blessed it, saying, “This is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom” (Matt.26:26-29, 1Cor.11:23-25).

Jesus called it “fruit of the vine”, which refers to fresh grape juice and not fermented wine. Jesus refused to drink fermented wine even when He was hanging on the cross and cried: “I thirst!” They gave Him “wine mingled with myrrh”, but when He tasted it, He refused to drink it (Matt.27:34, Mk.15:22).

Aryeh Jay · Dec 9, 2018

eleos1954 said:
"Jesus refused to drink fermented wine even when He was hanging on the cross and cried: “I thirst!” They gave Him “wine mingled with myrrh”, but when He tasted it, He refused to drink it (Matt.27:34, Mk.15:22).

Matthew 27:34

King James Bible

They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink.

Mark 15:22

King James Bible

And they bring him unto the place Golgotha, which is, being interpreted, The place of a skull.

eleos1954 · Dec 9, 2018

Aryeh Jay said:
Matthew 27:34

King James Bible

They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink.

Mark 15:22

King James Bible

And they bring him unto the place Golgotha, which is, being interpreted, The place of a skull.

In the Greek it says wine - & the gall being bitter herbs

oinos: wine
Original Word: οἶνος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: oinos
Phonetic Spelling: (oy'-nos)
Definition: wine
Usage: wine.

Leviticus 10:9
Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:

Proverbs 31:4,5
It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink: …

zephcom · Dec 9, 2018

eleos1954 said:
"Even Jesus drank wine during the Last Supper." There is a difference between new wine and fermented wine .... new wine is like grape juice.

Then Jesus took the cup and blessed it, saying, “This is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom” (Matt.26:26-29, 1Cor.11:23-25).

Jesus called it “fruit of the vine”, which refers to fresh grape juice and not fermented wine. Jesus refused to drink fermented wine even when He was hanging on the cross and cried: “I thirst!” They gave Him “wine mingled with myrrh”, but when He tasted it, He refused to drink it (Matt.27:34, Mk.15:22).

He probably didn't like myrrh......

Tutorman · Dec 9, 2018

Tutorman · Dec 9, 2018

Sword of the Lord said:
And on top of it you trample on the religious freedom of Orthodox, Catholics, Lutherans, Anglicans, etc. For us and for them, juice is absolutely 100 percent not an acceptable substitute.

Exactly

comana · Dec 9, 2018

zephcom said:
He probably didn't like myrrh......

Also, who wants alcohol when they are dying. Water, I imagine yes, but wine- no! I’d refuse too.

zephcom · Dec 9, 2018

comana said:
Also, who wants alcohol when they are dying. Water, I imagine yes, but wine- no! I’d refuse too.

Good point. Red wines especially can have enough tannin in them that they actually make one's mouth feel drier rather than moister. That certainly wouldn't be welcomed for someone who was most likely already suffering from dehydration.

jacknife · Dec 9, 2018

comana said:
Also, who wants alcohol when they are dying. Water, I imagine yes, but wine- no! I’d refuse too.

I dont know considering water sources at the time wine may not be a bad choice. In fact ive heard back then theyd mix water and wine, which would actually help disinfect the water, not sure how accurate that is though.

S.O.J.I.A. · Dec 9, 2018

should sex be illegal?
should the internet be illegal?
should video games be illegal?

durangodawood · Dec 9, 2018

THE W said:
should sex be illegal?....

Yes. Except for church approved procreation encounters of minimal duration, performed under clerical supervision.

Allandavid · Dec 10, 2018

Junker P Hoodwink said:
The problem is that a lot of people can’t drink alcohol responsibility. I know I can’t. If I drink one drink, I always want another, then another, and another. I don’t stop until I’m too tired to drink anymore. Then I just wait until the tiredness subsides, then begin drinking again. My problem is horrible, and so many others—in fact, I would say millions of others—have this same problem.

Sorry, but that’s not an ‘alcohol problem’ per se......that’s a you problem...

Allandavid · Dec 10, 2018

durangodawood said:
Yes. Except for church approved procreation encounters of minimal duration, performed under clerical supervision.

...and with the lights off...

DogmaHunter · Dec 10, 2018

Junker P Hoodwink said:
Serious question: should alcohol be illegal? As someone who used to have a terrible—and indeed dangerous—alcoholism problem, I would say yes.

Here's the thing. If that is what you are going to base this on, then where do you draw the line?

Because I can show you plenty of things that people got dangerously addicted to!
Hamburgers, french fries, mayonaise, water (yes), food in general, the gym, social media, internet web forums, the internet in general, computer games, collecting movies, all forms of gambling,....

If the argument goes for alcohol, then the argument should go for all those other things as well. So, do we tell McDonalds to close all their restaurants?

Do we tell all game studio's that from now on, they can only produce professional business software?

I used to drink and drink and drink, and I would never stop. There would even be times when I would go on multi-day drinking binges and consume 20 drinks a day for three or four days until taking a break. I had a horrific problem with alcohol, as do so many people today, and it needs to be illegal.

There are people in your country that do the exact same thing with fast food.

The Prohibition days seemed like some sort of throw-back puritanical code from a bygone era. The truth, though, is that Prohibition advocates were right despite their unpopularity. Why? Well, just go to a Google news search and type in “drunk driver fatality,” and you will see an abundance of reports where a drunk driver killed a pedestrian or other driver because of his drinking. None of these accidents would have taken place had alcohol been illegal.

None of those accidents would have taken place if the drunk people wouldn't have gotten behind the wheel.

My anti-alcohol views do not stem from my religion. Even Jesus drank wine during the Last Supper. But it’s not like they had cars back then.

I'm sure you can cause some havoc with horses and donkeys as well though.

DogmaHunter · Dec 10, 2018

Junker P Hoodwink said:
I already know that making alcohol illegal will create an underground black market for alcoholic beverages. That’s what happened during Prohibition. But still, doesn’t it make alcohol more difficult to get?

Fun fact: when I was 16, it was easier for me to get my hands on cannabis (illegal) then it was to get my hands on a beer (legal).

More importantly, when alcohol becomes illegal, all regulations disappear.
Regulations like quality control. Today you need to get approval that your product is safe to be consumed by the public. If Bacardi for example would be found to cause blindness, then it wouldn't be allowed to be sold.

If tomorrow bacardi is illegal and it causes blindness, nobody is going to be checking up on that.

Making / keeping things legal, is the only way to have some control over it. Both in terms of quality and also in terms of who gets his hands on it and where. Also, not unimportantly, the money streams are transparant also in a legal circuit.

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