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This is wrong on so many counts, I don't know where to start.



There is some dispute over when Luke wrote Acts.
Some scholars say it was before the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD, since that event is not mentioned. They say it may be somewhere between 62 - 70 AD. Paul died in 62 -64 AD, so it's possible that most of his letters were written before the book of Acts.
Other scholars place the writing of Acts much later - 70-90 AD. If that is the case, and there must be some evidence for thinking that, than ALL Paul's letters were written before Acts.



No; "thy kingdom come, thy will be done ON EARTH, as in heaven."
Jesus healed Gentiles, taught and proclaimed the kingdom of God to them.



Who said? What's your source?
Temple worship continued til 70 AD, and the Jewish nation and religion were not wiped out after that time.



Again, who says?



No, the gifts are the gifts of the Holy Spirit, 1 Corinthians 12, Romans 12, Ephesians 4:11, who was poured out on Jews and also on Gentiles, Acts of the Apostles 10:34-35, Acts of the Apostles 10:45, Acts of the Apostles 11:17.
The New Covenant was signed in Jesus' blood, Matthew 26:28.



Jesus said that his blood was the blood of the New Covenant; are you saying he was lying?



Among the gifts of the Spirit are teaching, Romans 12:7; 1 Corinthians 12:28, Ephesians 4:11 - is that a "fake, wannabe" gift?
Also among the gifts of the Spirit are evangelism, 1 Corinthians 12:28; Ephesians 4:11, encouragement, Romans 12:8, giving to the needs of others, Romans 12:8, administration, 1 Corinthians 12:28, leadership, Romans 12:8. Are these also fake "I wannabe a magician" gifts?



Evidence?
I take it you're a cessationist then?



Evidence?



Jesus told the 12 to go into every nation, preach the Gospel and teach people what he had taught them. As I said, he himself taught, and ministered to, Gentiles.
Teaching, preaching and evangelism are gifts of the Spirit, and not given only to Jews - since Gentiles were also baptised in the Holy Spirit.
The book of Acts was written by a Gentile.

I'm not going to waste my time responding to your traditions. If you can't see that the only scripture TO and ABOUT anyone living today is found in Paul's 7 post-Acts epistles, that's your gigantic problem.

(1) The Hope in those 7 post-Acts books is Heaven itself, where God lives, Ephesians 1:20, Ephesians 2:6 . The Hope during Acts was the New Jerusalem, Gal 4:26, which isn't Heaven. It comes down from Heaven and attaches to the New Earth. Just that huge difference in Callings is absolute proof that these are 2 totally different dispensations and they can't be mixed

(2) Everything in Paul's Acts epistles was derived from the OT, Acts 26:22. Everything Paul wrote after Acts is part of a mystery hid in God before the ages Ephesians 3:9,Colossians 1:26, Here again, this is absolute proof that Acts and after Acts cannot be mixed.

(3) Two totally different dispensations - one all-Israel and one all-Gentile (the 3rd absolute proof they can't be mixed). Acts was all Israel because the Gentiles were grafted into Israel. NEVER in the Bible, since Gen 12, have Israel and the Gentiles EVER been treated the same. Since I'm a Gentile, I pick the all-Gentile after-Acts books. Nothing I know of from Acts is TO me or ABOUT me. I read Acts a lot, but just for my learning
 
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No one knows who wrote Hebrews, so what evidence do you have that it was Paul?
I never studied it, since I never thought it that important. However, several authors I trust say that Paul wrote it. I read much of their proofs about 20 years ago and have seen nothing since to contradict it.

Right now, my goal is the make all people see the dispensation of the Mystery, like Paul said. I truly believe that not seeing it will keep people from going to Heaven, odd though it seems.
 
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I'm not going to waste my time responding to your traditions.

You mean that you can't answer my questions?

If you can't see that the only scripture TO and ABOUT anyone living today is found in Paul's 7 post-Acts epistles, that's your gigantic problem.

On the contrary, if you dismiss Scriptures like Romans 5, Romans 8, 1 Corinthians 12, 1 Corinthians 13 and many many others out of a misguided belief that they are only for Jews - you miss out on a great deal, and YOU are the one with the problem.

(1) The Hope in those 7 post-Acts books is Heaven itself, where God lives, Ephesians 1:20, Ephesians 2:6 . The Hope during Acts was the New Jerusalem, Gal 4:26, which isn't Heaven. It comes down from Heaven and attaches to the New Earth. Just that huge difference in Callings is absolute proof that these are 2 totally different dispensations and they can't be mixed

Don't understand what you are talking about, sorry.

(2) Everything in Paul's Acts epistles was derived from the OT, Acts 26:22.

LUKE wrote the book of Acts, not Paul. Even a basic glance at a commentary would tell you that.
Acts 1 he says, "In my former book, Theophilus, I wrote of all that Jesus did ......" that was his Gospel; the 3rd Gospel. Acts follows on from this and is the history of the early church.

Everything Paul wrote after Acts is part of a mystery hid in God before the ages Ephesians 3:9,Colossians 1:26, Here again, this is absolute proof that Acts and after Acts cannot be mixed.

It's not absolute proof of anything of the kind.
Luke, Paul's companion, Colossians 4:14, wrote Acts. Some of the later chapters have the words "then WE ....", "when WE arrived ...". He wrote about how Paul was converted,called to go to the Gentiles and then travelled and founded several churches. The epistles are Paul's letters to some of those churches - either because they had problems, or because he could not get to visit them, or simply to encourage them in their Christian faith.

(3) Two totally different dispensations - one all-Israel and one all-Gentile (the 3rd absolute proof they can't be mixed).

So what evidence - apart from your own word - do you have that these are "different dispensations" and "cannot be mixed"?

The vast majority of Christians believe, and teach, what I have just said - that Luke wrote Acts, telling the story of the early church including the churches Paul founded. Paul then wrote letters, of encouragement, and doctrine, to some of these churches. Not all of the letters he wrote are included, and he may have gone to places that he didn't write to - for example, he planned to go to Spain, Romans 15:24. That doesn't mean they are of a "different dispensation" or that there is anything sinister about them.

Acts was all Israel because the Gentiles were grafted into Israel. NEVER in the Bible, since Gen 12, have Israel and the Gentiles EVER been treated the same.

Not true.
Abraham, Jacob, Joseph etc were not Jews.
When Jacob ran away he went to Paddan Aram, married both his cousins and had 12 sons by different women. (I don't know what nationality Rachel and Leah's servants were.)
During the famine in Israel, the family went to Egypt - 70 of them in total, Genesis 46:27. They settled there and they grew in number. It is possible that at least some of them married Egyptians, or people of other nationalities. After Moses ran away to Midian he married a Midianite woman, Exodus 2:21.
The Lord rescued all these people from Egypt, and they received his law at Sinai. When the Lord gave them the Passover feast, he said that aliens could also eat it if they were first circumcised, Exodus 12:48. Some of the commands in Leviticus are addressed to "you, or an alien living among you", Leviticus 22:18; Leviticus 24:16.
Foreigners - Gentiles - could convert to the faith, be circumcised and become one of God's people. Later on, many of Israel's kings married foreign women - that is how they made treaties with other countries. Solomon had 300 wives and no doubt had children of all nationalities.
Even in Jesus' day, Gentiles were allowed to convert to the Jewish faith. They no doubt had to be circumcised when they did so - but they were also baptised, by the Pharisees.

Since I'm a Gentile, I pick the all-Gentile after-Acts books.

That is entirely your interpretation and your decision.
You have offered no evidence to show that the books you list are "Gentile only" books. The 3rd Gospel, and Acts, were written by a Gentile.
Jesus told his disciples to go into the world, be his witness, preach the Good News, make disciples and teach all that Jesus had taught them. Jesus himself taught, healed ad ministered to Gentiles.

Nothing I know of from Acts is TO me or ABOUT me.

That just means you are missing out on a lot of doctrine, a lot of Gospel and Christian teaching, and many of God's blessings. It doesn't mean you are correct in your belief.
 
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I never studied it, since I never thought it that important. However, several authors I trust say that Paul wrote it. I read much of their proofs about 20 years ago and have seen nothing since to contradict it.

Some commentators no doubt say that Paul wrote it; others do not, since it is very different from Paul's normal style of writing.
It is very important, and a great book; it says how Jesus is greater than Moses, the temple, the prophets and even the angels. It says how he is our great high priest and offered his life, once and for all, for sin.
Again, you are missing out big time because of the books that you have dismissed as unimportant.
 
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Believing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, died on the cross for our sins, rose again on the third day.

Recognizing we are a sinner (all of us) and need a saviour

Asking Christ to forgive us and to be out Lord and Savior.

Anyone can "play" church, but Christ sees our heart.

UOTE="Neogaia777, post: 73440366, member: 294131"]I've heard a few people say now that, "going to (a) church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in garage makes you a car"...

So, If going to (a) church doesn't make you a Christian, then what does...?

Comments...?

God Bless![/QUOTE]
 
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Some commentators no doubt say that Paul wrote it; others do not, since it is very different from Paul's normal style of writing.
It is very important, and a great book; it says how Jesus is greater than Moses, the temple, the prophets and even the angels. It says how he is our great high priest and offered his life, once and for all, for sin.
Again, you are missing out big time because of the books that you have dismissed as unimportant.
I'm a Gentile. Not a wanna-be Jew like you and 99% of Christendom.
 
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Can I ask @ac28 what list of instructions is for us then as some examples? You gave a list of all the things you think weren’t, so can you list some of the things that are left?
(1) Eternity in Heavenly Places, where Christ sits at the Right Hand of God, Ephesians 1:20, 2:6
(2) Every Spiritual Blessing possible in Heavenly Places, Ephesians 1:3
(3) Seated with Christ at God's right hand, Ephesians 2:6
(4) Riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, Ephesians 1:18
(5) The Body of the bridegroom. As Christ's actual Body, Ephesians 5:30, we will always be where Christ is. When He is in all 3 places (Heaven, the New Jerusalem, the New Earth) at the same time, we will be with Him.
(6) It SEEMS that we will have 4th dimension glorified bodies, like Christ's body, Philippians 3:21, and live in a 4 dimensional world. Our bodies will allow us to go anywhere in the Universe, unlike those on earth or the New Jerusalem.
(7) Our citizenship is in Heaven, Philippians 3:20
(8) If we suffer, we will reign with Him, 2 Timothy 2:12. Most that preach this do suffer. This total truth is so radically different than the false teaching in all the churches, that people think you're crazy when you preach it. Almost everyone I know that preaches it has been kicked out of churches, lost friends, and lost jobs because of this. Although I don't care, I was banned from 2 forums this past week because of "false teaching". No one in this peddles the word of God, 2Cor 2:17. NIV. No one I've ever heard of earns a living from this. Hundreds of Books about this are free on the internet, whereas only about a dozen are sold. I have about 5000 books and articles and about 10,000 audios downloaded free from the internet, all saying the same things I have said.
(9) It is likely our resurrection, the Appearing, the epiphaneia, where we are resurrected directly in Heavenly places, to wait for His manifestation, will be the first resurrection to occur and, since Israel will be back in God's graces, in about 46 years, that is when our resurrection is most likely.

It's extremely exciting. We will be the pinnacle of God's universe and I'm sure we'll play a big part in the the destruction of Satan and his angels

That's a quick scan I just made of the 7 books. I have some books that have more. If I find them, I'll add to this list.

NOTHING in this list applies to any Jew, Ever, or any Gentile not saved during the present 2000 years, 64AD-2064. Nothing in the other 59 Israel books have anything to do with this Hope or Calling, as anyone should be able to see from this list. Also, I pray you can see that nothing from the other 59 EARTHLY books could possibly fit into this HEAVENLY list.

This was all hid in God, as a total secret (Mystery) from before the ages began until after the end of Acts, when it was revealed to Paul by Christ, Ephesians 3:3. Most believe this was to keep Satan from knowing it. Satan aspired to go to the Highest Heaven, Heavenly Places, but wasn't allowed to. He then rebelled and His main goal seems to be the prevention of any Human going there. Thus, the fake rapture and the fake gifts to keep people in Acts and out of Ephesians, where every Saint, today, should be.

In my opinion, God has set aside Israel during this present 2000 years, so they won't interfere with His Calling out, of the Gentile Church, to be the occupants of HIS abode, Heavenly Places.

I'm no smarter than anyone else on the forum. I was just extremely blessed to fall into this, 30 years ago. My son saw it first, and convinced me in about 10 minutes. It then took 10 years to totally scrub the useless Jewish doctrine, that the Churches (Synagogues) implanted, from my mind. Now, I'm nearly 100% scriptural and hated for it.
 
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I'm a Gentile. Not a wanna-be Jew like you and 99% of Christendom.

I'm a Gentile too.
You have no evidence that 99% of Christendom are wannabe Jews.
You haven't answered any of the points I've made, nor offered any evidence to back your claims.

Christianity started as a Jewish sect - Jews who claimed that the Messiah had already come. This is why they were persecuted - fact.
Jesus and the 12 were Jews, who also spoke to, healed and taught Gentiles - fact.
Christianity has Jewish roots - fact.
This doesn't make us wannabe Jews; it is a fact that our faith has Jewish roots. To Jews, were are Gentiles; outside of the true faith and not God's people. But Jesus came to give eternal life and reconciliation with God so that we could become his children, John 1:12; Romans 8:16.
 
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I'm a Gentile too.
You have no evidence that 99% of Christendom are wannabe Jews.
You haven't answered any of the points I've made, nor offered any evidence to back your claims.

Christianity started as a Jewish sect - Jews who claimed that the Messiah had already come. This is why they were persecuted - fact.
Jesus and the 12 were Jews, who also spoke to, healed and taught Gentiles - fact.
Christianity has Jewish roots - fact.
This doesn't make us wannabe Jews; it is a fact that our faith has Jewish roots. To Jews, were are Gentiles; outside of the true faith and not God's people. But Jesus came to give eternal life and reconciliation with God so that we could become his children, John 1:12; Romans 8:16.

ONLY wannabe Jews believe in these 100% Jew, "0" % Gentile things. Belief in these things can prevent you from going to Heaven. Gentiles, ONLY, will be in Heaven. No Jews or pseudo-Jews, like yourself, will be there. You can change that very easily, you know. Operation Rightly Dividing (Correctly Cutting) God's Word.

---the Lord's prayer
---the Lord's supper,
---Christ's gospel of the Kingdom
---the Great Commission
---the churches in the Gospels and Acts (we have a brand new church in Eph and Col),
---the New Covenant,
---the sermon on the mount,
---all or any part of the Law,
---water baptism,
---the Gifts of the Spirit,
---the idea that we are the seed of Abraham and Abraham is our Father,
---the New Jerusalem,
---the idea that we Gentiles are now part of Israel, in any way, whatsoever
---and, of course, Satan's favorite ploy, the Rapture, his big lie that sucks people into Acts and keeps them out of Heaven

I never answer questions from people that pick around the edges, and you are a master picker. Look at post #149 and tell me where all those things on the list of blessings are found anywhere but Paul's 7 post-Acts books. You're great at posting baby food - show me some meat. If you believe anything is TO or ABOUT you, except things about Christ, in the 59 all-Israel, you are a wannabe Jew and will end up on the New Earth, in a 2 dimensional body bound to the earth, along with the nation of Israel.

Nothing
in Paul's 7 post-Acts books has Jewish roots, except for Christ. This is easily proven by the fact that the doctrine in those 7 books was a secret (mystery) hidden in God before age-times. It was written before the world began, probably millions or billions of years before there ever was a JEW. Until it was given to Paul by Christ and written in Ephesians, no one in history had EVER seen any part of it. Everything in those 7 books is part of a pure Gentile island, surrounded by Israel, but with zero tracks in or out of the island. Those 7 books make up an isolated entity totally unto themselves.

Eph 3:9
And to make all men see what is the dispensation of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Col 1:26
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Eph 3:3
How that by revelation he (Christ) made known unto me the mystery.

Those 7 books make up the present dispensation. If you can't SEE it, it's because God has NOT given you the eyes of understanding to see the Hope of Christ's Calling, Eph 1:16-18 (Paul's prayer). Most people I witness to can't SEE it. The first reaction of someone that does SEE it is, " I can't understand why EVERYBODY can't SEE it. It's right there, in black and white, with no shenanigans, plain as the nose on your face." I, and many others, think that the reason God doesn't give people the eyes to see it, is because they don't want to see it, and would prefer the totally different, totally unrelated, beggarly elements of things given to the Jews, as found in the 59 all-Israel books.

I don't think God will give you those eyes of understanding unless you pray and tell Him you want to see the Hope of your Calling in the post-Acts epistles and set about eliminating from your doctrine, everything pertaining to Israel, in those other 59 books. Be serious about this and let Him know you are. Also, I would read Ephesians and Colossians over and over until the truth of these 2 most spiritual books in the Bible soaks through your thick skull, and pushes all the Jewish baggage OUT Permanently. Nothing in those books are TO you,, and you'll NEVER get what's in them, whether you believe it's yours, or not.

Eph 1:16-18
16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

Please read my post #149. LEARN to want to be in the Highest Heaven and LEARN what it takes to get there. Paul would not have made the above prayer, if Heaven were automatic
 
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ONLY wannabe Jews believe in these 100% Jew, "0" % Gentile things
---the Lord's prayer
---the Lord's supper,
---Christ's gospel of the Kingdom
---the Great Commission
---the churches in the Gospels and Acts (we have a brand new church in Eph and Col),
---the New Covenant,
---the sermon on the mount,
---all or any part of the Law,
---water baptism,
---the Gifts of the Spirit,
---the idea that we are the seed of Abraham and Abraham is our Father,
---the New Jerusalem,
---the idea that we Gentiles are now part of Israel, in any way, whatsoever
---and, of course, Satan's favorite ploy, the Rapture, his big lie that sucks people into Acts and keeps them out of Heaven

I never answer questions from people that pick around the edges, and you are a master picker. Look at post #149 and tell me where all those things on the list of blessings are found anywhere but Paul's 7 post-Acts books. You're great at posting baby food - show me some meat. If you believe anything is TO or ABOUT you, except things about Christ, in the 59 all-Israel, you are a wannabe Jew and will end up on the New Earth, in a 2 dimensional body bound to the earth, along with the nation of Israel.

Nothing
in Paul's 7 post-Acts books has Jewish roots, except for Christ. This is easily proven by the fact that the doctrine in those 7 books was a secret (mystery) hidden in God before age-times. It was written before the world began, probably millions or billions of years before there ever was a JEW. Until it was given to Paul by Christ and written in Ephesians, no one in history had EVER seen any part of it. Everything in those 7 books is part of a pure Gentile island, surrounded by Israel, but with zero tracks in or out of the island. Those 7 books make up an isolated entity totally unto themselves.

Eph 3:9
And to make all men see what is the dispensation of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
Col 1:26
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Eph 3:3
How that by revelation he (Christ) made known unto me the mystery.

Those 7 books make up the present dispensation. If you can't SEE it, it's because God has NOT given you the eyes of understanding to see the Hope of Christ's Calling, Eph 1:16-18 (Paul's prayer). Most people I witness to can't SEE it. The first reaction of someone that does SEE it is, " I can't understand why EVERYBODY can't SEE it. It's right there, in black and white, with no shenanigans, plain as the nose on your face." I, and many others, think that the reason God doesn't give people the eyes to see it, is because they don't want to see it, and would prefer the totally different, totally unrelated, beggarly elements of things given to the Jews, as found in the 59 all-Israel books.

I don't think God will give you those eyes of understanding unless you pray and tell Him you want to see the Hope of your Calling in the post-Acts epistles and set about eliminating from your doctrine, everything pertaining to Israel, in those other 59 books. Be serious about this and let Him know you are. Also, I would read Ephesians and Colossians over and over until the truth of these 2 most spiritual books in the Bible soaks through your thick skull, and pushes all the Jewish baggage OUT Permanently. Nothing in those books are TO you,, and you'll NEVER get what's in them, whether you believe it's yours, or not.

Eph 1:16-18
16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

Please read my post #149. LEARN to want to be in the Highest Heaven and LEARN what it takes to get there. Paul would not have made the above prayer, if Heaven were automatic
Is there some specific demonination whose teaching you this or is this self taught on your part?
 
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Is there some specific demonination whose teaching you this or is this self taught on your part?
You spell denomination like I spell it, the way it should be spelled - demonination. Satan's playground. Sort of like Satan Claus, after you move the "n" all the way to the right.

It's an invisible church, founded after Acts with maybe 250,000 - 500,000 members (maybe far fewer), which no one can see, at first, although 7 books of the Bible are TOTALLY dedicated to it. The members are those who eliminate all things Israel from their doctrine, those who have been given, by God, the eyes of understanding to SEE, BELIEVE, and CLAIM their Hope from ONLY Paul's 7 post-Acts books.

It's the only true church today, the only church on the planet that TRULY attempts to follow scripture to the letter (except for the 8000 figures of speech, the parables, which are all fictitious stories - Strong's, and symbolism, which is actually quite rare), contains ZERO traditions, and is the only church on the planet to obey the most important verse in today's Gentile doctrine, found ONLY in Paul's 7 post-Acts books. That is 2Tim 2:15, rightly dividing (Make a straight Cut, Correctly Cut) God's Word of Truth.

This church is Christ's actual Body, " For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones, Eph 5:30. "the fulness of him that filleth all in all." Eph 1:23. Christ is the actual HEAD of this BODY, Ephesians 1:22, Ephesians 4:15, Colossians 1:18, Colossians 2:19

To avoid the standard objection that this is the same body in 1Cor 12
1- the body in 1Cor is just a body of believers
2- It is involved with the gifts - only, it seems. All of 1Cor 12 is about the distribution of the gifts
3- Some members are the eyes and ears, 1Cor 12:16-17. This is impossible after Acts, where Christ is the entire HEAD. Besides, nothing during Acts fits with anything after Acts. Square peg, Round hole.

Is there any voice in the wilderness, out there, that is able to understand and SEE, in scripture, what I've been trying to get across for the last 3 years???
 
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ONLY wannabe Jews believe in these 100% Jew, "0" % Gentile things.

If I wanted to be a Jew I would go onto a Jewish website and find out about converting. I would also be checking out my local synagogue.
I certainly would not be on a Christian website writing posts about Jesus the Messiah. Sorry, but "wannabe Jew" is a ridiculous phrase to use.

Belief in these things can prevent you from going to Heaven.

Nope.

No Jews or pseudo-Jews, like yourself,

"Pseudo Jews like me?" ^_^ You haven't a clue.
And if you are saying that I am trying to be a Jew, then you are implying that I am not a Christian, which is against forum rules.

I never answer questions from people that pick around the edges, and you are a master picker.

I have been answering your posts and challenging what you write with basic facts.
Paul did not write Acts - fact.
There is debate about when Acts was written, so all of Paul's letters could have been written before Acts - fact.
You haven't answered these because you can't challenge the facts. Turning it back on me, to make it seem like it's somehow my fault, is a convenient way of facing the facts and that your theories might be wrong.

Look at post #149 and tell me where all those things on the list of blessings are found anywhere but Paul's 7 post-Acts books.

Sorry, you're either not listening, or you don't understand, that I am challenging, and don't believe, your list of "post Acts books". I don't believe you when you say that certain things are not for us Gentiles. I don't believe that Jesus, who taught Gentiles, ever said that they were. And you have not been able to show otherwise.

You're great at posting baby food - show me some meat.

You're great at posting stuff that isn't Scriptural - try answering my questions and writing stuff that is.

If you believe anything is TO or ABOUT you, except things about Christ, in the 59 all-Israel, you are a wannabe Jew and will end up on the New Earth, in a 2 dimensional body bound to the earth, along with the nation of Israel.

Nonsense.

Nothing in Paul's 7 post-Acts books has Jewish roots, except for Christ.

Nonsense.
Paul and the disciples were Jewish. The early church was Jewish.
Jesus was Jewish and his coming was foretold in the Jewish Scriptures. And as Jesus was the founder of the Christian faith, that means our faith has Jewish roots.

This is easily proven by the fact that the doctrine in those 7 books was a secret (mystery) hidden in God before age-times. It was written before the world began, probably millions or billions of years before there ever was a JEW. Until it was given to Paul by Christ and written in Ephesians, no one in history had EVER seen any part of it. Everything in those 7 books is part of a pure Gentile island, surrounded by Israel, but with zero tracks in or out of the island. Those 7 books make up an isolated entity totally unto themselves.

I think a lot of what you write is a totally made up entity, unseen by anyone else.

Those 7 books make up the present dispensation. If you can't SEE it, it's because God has NOT given you the eyes of understanding to see the Hope of Christ's Calling,

If I can't see it, it's probably because no such thing exists.

Most people I witness to can't SEE it.

Not surprised; it's not there.
If they asked you to show them the passage in Scripture which teaches such things, they'd be waiting a long time.

I don't think God will give you those eyes of understanding unless you pray and tell Him you want to see the Hope of your Calling

If "having the eyes of understanding" means accepting and agreeing with the stuff you write - I don't want them.

Be serious about this and let Him know you are. Also, I would read Ephesians and Colossians over and over until the truth of these 2 most spiritual books in the Bible soaks through your thick skull,

It's easy to see when someone is losing an argument; they resort to insults.

Please read my post #149. LEARN to want to be in the Highest Heaven and LEARN what it takes to get there.

I know what it takes to receive eternal life and be with God, forever, after death - Jesus has said so.
I'm sorry but I'm not accepting your words as the highest authority on this. I've asked for Scriptural evidence and tried to discuss it - and you call me a wannabe Jew and say I have a thick skull.

If you are prepared to answer some of my questions, provide Scriptural evidence and enter into a proper debate, that's fine. But if you are not going to answer the things I ask you about your own words, and resort to insults - forget it.
 
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If I wanted to be a Jew I would go onto a Jewish website and find out about converting. I would also be checking out my local synagogue.
I certainly would not be on a Christian website writing posts about Jesus the Messiah. Sorry, but "wannabe Jew" is a ridiculous phrase to use.



Nope.



"Pseudo Jews like me?" ^_^ You haven't a clue.
And if you are saying that I am trying to be a Jew, then you are implying that I am not a Christian, which is against forum rules.



I have been answering your posts and challenging what you write with basic facts.
Paul did not write Acts - fact.
There is debate about when Acts was written, so all of Paul's letters could have been written before Acts - fact.
You haven't answered these because you can't challenge the facts. Turning it back on me, to make it seem like it's somehow my fault, is a convenient way of facing the facts and that your theories might be wrong.



Sorry, you're either not listening, or you don't understand, that I am challenging, and don't believe, your list of "post Acts books". I don't believe you when you say that certain things are not for us Gentiles. I don't believe that Jesus, who taught Gentiles, ever said that they were. And you have not been able to show otherwise.



You're great at posting stuff that isn't Scriptural - try answering my questions and writing stuff that is.



Nonsense.



Nonsense.
Paul and the disciples were Jewish. The early church was Jewish.
Jesus was Jewish and his coming was foretold in the Jewish Scriptures. And as Jesus was the founder of the Christian faith, that means our faith has Jewish roots.



I think a lot of what you write is a totally made up entity, unseen by anyone else.



If I can't see it, it's probably because no such thing exists.



Not surprised; it's not there.
If they asked you to show them the passage in Scripture which teaches such things, they'd be waiting a long time.



If "having the eyes of understanding" means accepting and agreeing with the stuff you write - I don't want them.



It's easy to see when someone is losing an argument; they resort to insults.



I know what it takes to receive eternal life and be with God, forever, after death - Jesus has said so.
I'm sorry but I'm not accepting your words as the highest authority on this. I've asked for Scriptural evidence and tried to discuss it - and you call me a wannabe Jew and say I have a thick skull.

If you are prepared to answer some of my questions, provide Scriptural evidence and enter into a proper debate, that's fine. But if you are not going to answer the things I ask you about your own words, and resort to insults - forget it.

Unless I said something was my opinion, everything I said was Scriptural and for us today. Everything you said is scriptural, but has NOTHING to do with us today. You are still working around the edges and there's NO MEAT in anything you've ever said to me. It's all fluff.

You have eternal life, as in Jn 3:16, but you have no calling, because what you believe is yours, isn't yours. It's Israel's and, except for Christ, NOTHING EVER GIVEN OR TAUGHT TO ISRAEL WAS EVER GIVEN OR TAUGHT TO GENTILES THAT WERE UNASSOCIATED WITH ISRAEL, LIKE US TODAY - Search and SEE!! The only books in the Bible TO and ABOUT us today are Pail's 7 post Acts epistles. Try to find a verse in the 59 Israel books that says anyone will go to Heaven. Actually, don't waste your time. But you believe the doctrine in those 59 Jewish books. Why would God place anyone in Heaven whose beliefs were in the books that had only a Hope of the New Earth (nation Israel) or the New Jerusalem, where every tribe has their own gate, and there is no Gentile gate.

The white throne judgment (WTJ) is where people with no calling, like you, are judged. You have no calling, because you can't SEE your Calling in Scripture. If you pass the WTJ and don't get tossed into the lake of fire, you'll be stuck on the New Earth FOREVER. On the other hand, if you can discover that Paul's 7 post-Acts epistles are the only books in the Bible that have a Hope of Heaven and, if you See it, Believe it, and Claim it, you'll be in Heaven, too.
 
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You spell denomination like I spell it, the way it should be spelled - demonination. Satan's playground. Sort of like Satan Claus, after you move the "n" all the way to the right.

It's an invisible church, founded after Acts with maybe 250,000 - 500,000 members (maybe far fewer), which no one can see, at first, although 7 books of the Bible are TOTALLY dedicated to it. The members are those who eliminate all things Israel from their doctrine, those who have been given, by God, the eyes of understanding to SEE, BELIEVE, and CLAIM their Hope from ONLY Paul's 7 post-Acts books.

It's the only true church today, the only church on the planet that TRULY attempts to follow scripture to the letter (except for the 8000 figures of speech, the parables, which are all fictitious stories - Strong's, and symbolism, which is actually quite rare), contains ZERO traditions, and is the only church on the planet to obey the most important verse in today's Gentile doctrine, found ONLY in Paul's 7 post-Acts books. That is 2Tim 2:15, rightly dividing (Make a straight Cut, Correctly Cut) God's Word of Truth.

This church is Christ's actual Body, " For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones, Eph 5:30. "the fulness of him that filleth all in all." Eph 1:23. Christ is the actual HEAD of this BODY, Ephesians 1:22, Ephesians 4:15, Colossians 1:18, Colossians 2:19

To avoid the standard objection that this is the same body in 1Cor 12
1- the body in 1Cor is just a body of believers
2- It is involved with the gifts - only, it seems. All of 1Cor 12 is about the distribution of the gifts
3- Some members are the eyes and ears, 1Cor 12:16-17. This is impossible after Acts, where Christ is the entire HEAD. Besides, nothing during Acts fits with anything after Acts. Square peg, Round hole.

Is there any voice in the wilderness, out there, that is able to understand and SEE, in scripture, what I've been trying to get across for the last 3 years???
If your not going to answer the questions in my post, don’t bother replying to my post.

Reading through your posts is a hardship especially when they have no relation to my post.

As I’ve said before, your opinion with out Bible prrof texts are of no interest to me.

To talk theology one has to have a theological base. I don’t see one here.
 
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Unless I said something was my opinion, everything I said was Scriptural and for us today. Everything you said is scriptural, but has NOTHING to do with us today. You are still working around the edges and there's NO MEAT in anything you've ever said to me. It's all fluff.

You have eternal life, as in Jn 3:16, but you have no calling, because what you believe is yours, isn't yours. It's Israel's and, except for Christ, NOTHING EVER GIVEN OR TAUGHT TO ISRAEL WAS EVER GIVEN OR TAUGHT TO GENTILES THAT WERE UNASSOCIATED WITH ISRAEL, LIKE US TODAY - Search and SEE!! The only books in the Bible TO and ABOUT us today are Pail's 7 post Acts epistles. Try to find a verse in the 59 Israel books that says anyone will go to Heaven. Actually, don't waste your time. But you believe the doctrine in those 59 Jewish books. Why would God place anyone in Heaven whose beliefs were in the books that had only a Hope of the New Earth (nation Israel) or the New Jerusalem, where every tribe has their own gate, and there is no Gentile gate.

The white throne judgment (WTJ) is where people with no calling, like you, are judged. You have no calling, because you can't SEE your Calling in Scripture. If you pass the WTJ and don't get tossed into the lake of fire, you'll be stuck on the New Earth FOREVER. On the other hand, if you can discover that Paul's 7 post-Acts epistles are the only books in the Bible that have a Hope of Heaven and, if you See it, Believe it, and Claim it, you'll be in Heaven, too.
It’s interesting how much you value your own opinion.

I even see ALL CAPS for emphasis.

Now as soon as your ready to quote some scripture I’ll read your posts.

Until then I have the mighty scroll button to scroll by the nonsense
 
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Unless I said something was my opinion, everything I said was Scriptural and for us today. Everything you said is scriptural, but has NOTHING to do with us today. You are still working around the edges and there's NO MEAT in anything you've ever said to me. It's all fluff.

It's YOUR opinion only that some of God's word is irrelevant and not for us.

You have eternal life, as in Jn 3:16, but you have no calling,

Wrong. I have a calling.

NOTHING EVER GIVEN OR TAUGHT TO ISRAEL WAS EVER GIVEN OR TAUGHT TO GENTILES THAT WERE UNASSOCIATED WITH ISRAEL, LIKE US TODAY - Search and SEE!!

Writing something in capital letters does not make it true.
It is the internet equivalent of shouting, and considered bad manners.

The white throne judgment (WTJ) is where people with no calling, like you, are judged. You have no calling, because you can't SEE your Calling in Scripture.

I can and I have.

If you pass the WTJ and don't get tossed into the lake of fire, you'll be stuck on the New Earth FOREVER.

Can't get tossed into the lake of fire - I have Jesus and eternal life.

if you See it, Believe it, and Claim it, you'll be in Heaven, too.

I will be.
Will you?
 
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If your not going to answer the questions in my post, don’t bother replying to my post.

Reading through your posts is a hardship especially when they have no relation to my post.

As I’ve said before, your opinion with out Bible prrof texts are of no interest to me.

To talk theology one has to have a theological base. I don’t see one here.
I'm not talking theology. I'm talking scripture and except for what I stated as my opinion, everything I said was scriptural, for us today. What you said was scriptural, but it's not to anyone living today.

Like I said earlier, Who died and left you in charge?

Enjoy the New Earth, cuz you'll be there forever.
 
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It's YOUR opinion only that some of God's word is irrelevant and not for us.



Wrong. I have a calling.



Writing something in capital letters does not make it true.
It is the internet equivalent of shouting, and considered bad manners.



I can and I have.



Can't get tossed into the lake of fire - I have Jesus and eternal life.



I will be.
Will you?
You're a very fluffy person. Even your avatar shows that.

Tell me what your calling is and where in scripture is it located? A Calling always denotes a PLACE. In other words, where will you spend eternity and where in scripture did you discover that that is where you will spend eternity?
 
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