How must they cope with this verse?

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27 What I tell you in the darkness, speak ye in the light; and what ye hear in the ear, proclaim upon the house-tops.
Paul asks christians to be respectful of institutions. I do, that's why i Wonder whether it would be irrespectful to officially inform the official institutions that require religious reservation that, we christians, are prevented from obeying the spirit of this verse, to obey religious reservation.
That, what's more, whereas being righteous christians as regards Paul's recommandations, we are not, as regards Christ's instruction of this verse.
Would you please have a cautious advice for this whole issue? Thank you
 

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27 What I tell you in the darkness, speak ye in the light; and what ye hear in the ear, proclaim upon the house-tops.
Paul asks christians to be respectful of institutions. I do, that's why i Wonder whether it would be irrespectful to officially inform the official institutions that require religious reservation that, we christians, are prevented from obeying the spirit of this verse, to obey religious reservation.
That, what's more, whereas being righteous christians as regards Paul's recommandations, we are not, as regards Christ's instruction of this verse.
Would you please have a cautious advice for this whole issue? Thank you
Hi Peter2, I not following your meaning. First off, what is this required "religious reservation" that you speak of?

Thanks!

Yours and His,
David
 
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Hi Peter2, I not following your meaning. First off, what is this required "religious reservation" that you speak of?
Well, in some countries, its officially forbidden To speak of one's religious beliefs in public places in order to avoid religious tensions between people.
 
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Well, in some countries, its officially forbidden To speak of one's religious beliefs in public places in order to avoid religious tensions between people.

Just keep in mind that there is a difference between something being 'legal' and its being the 'right' or moral thing to do, especially when it comes to the expression of the Christian Faith. Think about Christians who lived in Rome at the time of Paul's ministry: in their case, I think we'd be at pains to say that it was wrong of those Christians to speak of their faith simply because someone like Emperor Nero, among others, didn't find the Christian message amenable to Roman cultural or institutional sensibilities.

Even within the Jewish culture of Jesus' time, an individual like John the Baptist wasn't quite willing to simply 'shut-up' because people around him thought his ramblings might be either inappropriate or even against their current laws at the time.
 
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institutional sensibilities.
Hello,
It's not à pleasant state of things, but It's been instituted more than à century ago in some countries. Believers of every religion are treated on an equal level,; it officially allows these believers To get together thanks To this non-speaking of too sensitive issues related To religious non-compatibility. I already wrote to someone that embodies the guarantee of censorship To inform him our religion is à religion of the Verb, and believe it's, as such, particularly bad for it. I have no response yet
 
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It's not à pleasant state of things, but It's been instituted more than à century ago in some countries. Believers of every religion are treated on an equal level,; it officially allows these believers To get together thanks To this non-speaking of too sensitive issues related To religious non-compatibility. I already wrote to someone that embodies the guarantee of censorship To inform him our religion is à religion of the Verb, and believe it's, as such, particularly bad for it. I have no response yet
When it comes to the issue of critiquing someone else's religion and publicly advocating one's own I would like to Paul's speech to the Athenians in Acts 17 as an example.

With regards to authority. Jesus' authority trumps all other authority. And Jesus said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." Mt 28:18-20

And Paul writes, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? Rom 10:12,13

Those who make laws against preaching the gospel or make disciples are doing so without the Lord's authorization and as such in that particular matter they are not acting as legitimate authority figures as such is outside of their legitimate realm of authority.

Granted that will likely result in the persecution of Christians, but have you read the New Testament? It's not like that never happened before.
 
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And Paul writes, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? Rom 10:12,13
Thank you for your answer, bscr,
looks rather like Rom 10: 13,14.
Actually, so widespread is the spirit of censorship it looks as if self-censorship had become a religion, too.
I'm not discommitting myself from my christian duty. Honestly and truly, people around me already call me radical, intolerant and some even speak of fanatism.
I would just say the Gospel has already been preached, and it's far more refused than un-heard. I would therefore rather shake the dust from my sandals than preach again the Gospel. My priest recomanded me cautiousness in the dealing with this issue. Do you think, you christian, i should ask my priest for the pope(i'm catholic) to inform, him too, the guarantors of this censorship that obeying their law also means disobeying Christ, through Mt 27,10, that less doubtedly speaks to every christian, in a more direct manner?
 
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Thank you for your answer, bscr,
looks rather like Rom 10: 13,14.
Actually, so widespread is the spirit of censorship it looks as if self-censorship had become a religion, too.
I'm not discommitting myself from my christian duty. Honestly and truly, people around me already call me radical, intolerant and some even speak of fanatism.
I would just say the Gospel has already been preached, and it's far more refused than un-heard. I would therefore rather shake the dust from my sandals than preach again the Gospel. My priest recomanded me cautiousness in the dealing with this issue. Do you think, you christian, i should ask my priest for the pope(i'm catholic) to inform, him too, the guarantors of this censorship that obeying their law also means disobeying Christ, through Mt 27,10, that less doubtedly speaks to every christian, in a more direct manner?
I think these day social media, used with wisdom, has a lot of potential with regards to evangelism. Even this forum is an example. I myself keep a website of my Bible study materials available and have a yahoogroup through which I send out daily devotionals to 6000 addresses who have signed up.

As for religious authorities defying the commands of the Lord, well that kind of speaks for itself. The same holds true for them as for secular authorities.

And when they had brought them, they set them before the council. And the high priest asked them, saying, "Did we not strictly command you not to teach in this name? And look, you have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this Man’s blood on us!" But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: "We ought to obey God rather than men." Acts 5:27-29
 
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And when they had brought them, they set them before the council. And the high priest asked them, saying, "Did we not strictly command you not to teach in this name? And look, you have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this Man’s blood on us!" But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: "We ought to obey God rather than men." Acts 5:27-29
Very relevant quotation
I am furthermore aiming, personnally, at making of all scriptures Something coherent. The word of Paul, i try to take into account in my behavior, in order not to be divided.
That's why i Don't consider it a judicious thing to do to disobey both the law of censorship, and Paul's advice that give a clue as how to behave.
Speaking in the darkness is making your message Anonymous; the opposite in the light. Hearing in the ear is Under cover of secret, the opposite on the house-tops.
The whole of this is why i asked for advice as to whether my approach of the issue, through informing the guarantors of censorship seems or not compatible with these strict NT instructions
 
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Acts 4:18-20 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
18 So the Jewish leaders called Peter and John in again. They told the apostles not to say anything or to teach anything in the name of Jesus. 19 But Peter and John answered them, “What do you think is right? What would God want? Should we obey you or God? 20 We cannot be quiet. We must tell people about what we have seen and heard.”

Romans 15
17 That is why I feel so good about what I have done for God in my service to Christ Jesus. 18 I will not talk about anything I did myself. I will talk only about what Christ has done with me in leading the non-Jewish people to obey God. They have obeyed him because of what I have said and done. 19 And they obeyed him because of the power of the miraculous signs and wonders that happened—all because of the power of God’s Spirit. I have told people the Good News about Christ in every place from Jerusalem to Illyricum. And so I have finished that part of my work. 20 I always want to tell the Good News in places where people have never heard of Christ. I do this because I don’t want to build on the work that someone else has already started.

obeying God over man came up during the time of the Apostles.
 
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I do this because I don’t want to build on the work that someone else has already started.

obeying God over man came up during the time of the Apostles.
Thank you. It makes the debate make headway. Without joking:
I also asked this for the verse 4, in Jn 1 starts with:4 In him was life;
it refers to the Word.
Therefore is this idea that any censorship of Word would be life-paralysing correct?
What would have stemmed from any censorship of Jesus' replies throughout His lifetime among men?
 
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Thank you. It makes the debate make headway. Without joking:
I also asked this for the verse 4, in Jn 1 starts with:4 In him was life;
it refers to the Word.
Therefore is this idea that any censorship of Word would be life-paralysing correct?
What would have stemmed from any censorship of Jesus' replies throughout His lifetime among men?


John 1:4
In him there was life, and that life was a light for the people of the world.

John 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection. I am life. Everyone who believes in me will have life, even if they die.

John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. The only way to the Father is through me.

1 John 1
We want to tell you about the Word that gives life—the one who existed before the world began. This is the one we have heard and have seen with our own eyes. We saw what he did, and our hands touched him. Yes, the one who is life was shown to us. We saw him, and so we can tell others about him. We now tell you about him. He is the eternal life that was with God the Father and was shown to us. We are telling you about what we have seen and heard because we want you to have fellowship with us. The fellowship we share together is with God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ. ...

If I found the correct text, then from context the word is Jesus, not the Scriptures.

However, one should not abuse the Scriptures.

2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
 
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