Rex Tillerson on Trump: ‘Undisciplined, doesn’t like to read' and tries to do illegal things

TLK Valentine · Dec 8, 2018

USincognito said:
Trump strikes back:

Donald J. Trump on Twitter

Mike Pompeo is doing a great job, I am very proud of him. His predecessor, Rex Tillerson, didn’t have the mental capacity needed. He was dumb as a rock and I couldn’t get rid of him fast enough. He was lazy as {heck}. Now it is a whole new ballgame, great spirit at State!

Umm, didn't Trump brag about hiring the best people? Why would he hire someone that's dumb as a rock and lazy?

"Best" is a relative term, it would seem... Sycophantic yes-men don't grow on trees...

DaisyDay · Dec 8, 2018

cow451 said:
Many people are say Trump has extremely poor eyesight and is too vain for corrective lenses.

But lazy fits.

They're not mutually exclusive.

DaisyDay · Dec 8, 2018

Hank77 said:
Both Candi Rice and Robert Gates recommended him.

Condi as in Condoleezza?

Ada Lovelace · Dec 8, 2018

Hank77 said:
Both Candi Rice and Robert Gates recommended him.

I have massive respect for Dr. Rice; she is one of my professors, and she is amazing. She's exceptionally knowledgable and dynamic, fascinating, but also very personable and kind. She doesn't make me shrink in intimidation of her. But I think is was a misjudgment to have endorsed Rex Tillerson. It's not due to a defect in his intelligence or character that he wasn't the appropriate choice for the position, but his inexperience in foreign policy. His management expertise was supposed to compensate for that, but such skills can only be properly put to use when given the authority necessary, and it was obvious Trump would thwart those abilities. Obviously as a mere college student I'm not nearly as qualified to understand what being Secretary of State entails as Dr. Rice is, as a former Secretary of State, but other professors who do have very solid experience in foreign policy also expressed their dismay at his nomination and her endorsement. At the time the nomination was announced The Guardian decried it as a shameless, barbaric transparency that the very personification of Big Oil was being put in charge of our foreign policy; Rex Tillerson had spent nearly the entirety of his working life working for Exxon. My other professors agreed with that characterization. They did not believe that Dr. Rice's motive for endorsing Tillerson was insincere or out of any form of avarice. That accusation was not unreasonable since Dr. Rice and Robert Gates were both paid significant consulting fees by ExxonMobil when Tillerson was CEO. I do believe she saw his virtues and was overly optimistic that they could be utilized.

Ada Lovelace · Dec 8, 2018

Akita Suggagaki said:
That is so true and something to remember when making a presentation.

Fr some reason I grew to like Rex. Maybe because he seemed like someone trying to do the right thing.

In January when Rex Tillerson was still the Secretary of State he gave a speech on U.S. policies in Syria at my school, and even though the majority of the audience strongly disagreed with what he said, we liked how he said it. He was very amiable and captivating, and it didn't come across as an act. He is indisputably intelligent (Trump's petulant claims to the contrary are without merit, and self-defeating even though he obviously fails to realize that), and I think he has some genuine decency in him, though I think it's fair to describe actions under his leadership both at Exxon and as Secretary of State as indecent.

I also got to see Betsy DeVos when another professor (not Dr. Rice) had her surprise our class with a visit. We're not allowed to give details of what we talked about, but can give our own opinions of the experience. We weren't nearly as impressed. She came across as a total dilettante. She extremely nice, but in a way more artificial manner. She smiled at the end of every statement, regardless as to whether that was appropriate in the context, and it seemed like that was a ploy to try to make her persona compensate for her ineptitude. I'm just an undergrad but the class was actually in the graduate business school, and a lot of the other students were well into adulthood with actual professional experience. But she lavished praise on us in a way that would be more befitting for an elementary school student working on an art project. Another person in the class described her as the type you'd want to nominate to be in charge of an annual high-society ball, the kind that purports to be for the purpose of fundraising for charity, but spends way more money on putting on the event than raising any funds to donate. She did not earn from us the respect that Tillerson did; she actually corroded any respect extended to her simply due to the position she is in.

Hank77 · Dec 8, 2018

DaisyDay said:
Condi as in Condoleezza?

Yes, thanks for pointing that out.

Hank77 · Dec 8, 2018

RDKirk said:
Not if he hamstrings all branches of government sufficiently, which is really his intention.

Watch carefully--he's systematically dismantling all functions that could hamper his business shenanigans down the road.

A beaucoup money in taxes.

Hank77 · Dec 8, 2018

Stanfordella said:
In January when Rex Tillerson was still the Secretary of State he gave a speech on U.S. policies in Syria at my school, and even though the majority of the audience strongly disagreed with what he said, we liked how he said it. He was very amiable and captivating, and it didn't come across as an act. He is indisputably intelligent (Trump's petulant claims to the contrary are without merit, and self-defeating even though he obviously fails to realize that), and I think he has some genuine decency in him, though I think it's fair to describe actions under his leadership both at Exxon and as Secretary of State as indecent.

I also got to see Betsy DeVos when another professor (not Dr. Rice) had her surprise our class with a visit. We're not allowed to give details of what we talked about, but can give our own opinions of the experience. We weren't nearly as impressed. She came across as a total dilettante. She extremely nice, but in a way more artificial manner. She smiled at the end of every statement, regardless as to whether that was appropriate in the context, and it seemed like that was a ploy to try to make her persona compensate for her ineptitude. I'm just an undergrad but the class was actually in the graduate business school, and a lot of the other students were well into adulthood with actual professional experience. But she lavished praise on us in a way that would be more befitting for an elementary school student working on an art project. Another person in the class described her as the type you'd want to nominate to be in charge of an annual high-society ball, the kind that purports to be for the purpose of fundraising for charity, but spends way more money on putting on the event than raising any funds to donate. She did not earn from us the respect that Tillerson did; she actually corroded any respect extended to her simply due to the position she is in.

Thank you for your opinion. I had the same impression of both of them myself.

Hank77 · Dec 8, 2018

Stanfordella said:
That accusation was not unreasonable since Dr. Rice and Robert Gates were both paid significant consulting fees by ExxonMobil when Tillerson was CEO. I do believe she saw his virtues and was overly optimistic that they could be utilized.

Another thing to remember is that they are both Republicans and Republicans have always backed big oil.

Go Braves · Dec 8, 2018

cow451 said:
Many people are say Trump has extremely poor eyesight and is too vain for corrective lenses.

But lazy fits.

I wonder why he doesn't just fix that with laser eye surgery or by wearing contacts. Are those things not possible for him on account of him being so old?

Go Braves · Dec 8, 2018

JackRT said:
I have always thought that at some point in time even his most faithful will secretly admit "What in hell were we thinking?"

Nope, not gonna happen. That thing Trump said about being able to stand in the middle of 5th Avenue & shoot somebody & not lose voters is true. I sure do wish you were right about that though.

Go Braves · Dec 8, 2018

wing2000 said:
This--> “I will be honest with you: It troubles me that the American people seem to want to know so little about issues — that they are satisfied with 128 characters,” Tillerson said.

That's what stood out the most to me too. He's spot on.

Go Braves · Dec 8, 2018

Hank77 said:
Trump said that because it was reported the Tillerson said that Trump was a moron. Trump can't act like and adult and restrain himself.
How long do you think he could last here at CF before he was banned?

Oh for sure. When it got out that Rex had called Trump a moron I knew his days were numbered.

We can't even repeat a lot of what Trump has said, a bunch of his tweets couldn't be posted either. On account of so many of them breaking the rules around here.

Go Braves · Dec 8, 2018

Stanfordella said:
I have massive respect for Dr. Rice; she is one of my professors, and she is amazing. She's exceptionally knowledgable and dynamic, fascinating, but also very personable and kind. She doesn't make me shrink in intimidation of her. But I think is was a misjudgment to have endorsed Rex Tillerson. It's not due to a defect in his intelligence or character that he wasn't the appropriate choice for the position, but his inexperience in foreign policy. His management expertise was supposed to compensate for that, but such skills can only be properly put to use when given the authority necessary, and it was obvious Trump would thwart those abilities. Obviously as a mere college student I'm not nearly as qualified to understand what being Secretary of State entails as Dr. Rice is, as a former Secretary of State, but other professors who do have very solid experience in foreign policy also expressed their dismay at his nomination and her endorsement. At the time the nomination was announced The Guardian decried it as a shameless, barbaric transparency that the very personification of Big Oil was being put in charge of our foreign policy; Rex Tillerson had spent nearly the entirety of his working life working for Exxon. My other professors agreed with that characterization. They did not believe that Dr. Rice's motive for endorsing Tillerson was insincere or out of any form of avarice. That accusation was not unreasonable since Dr. Rice and Robert Gates were both paid significant consulting fees by ExxonMobil when Tillerson was CEO. I do believe she saw his virtues and was overly optimistic that they could be utilized.

This is great, thanks for sharing. It's incredible she's your professor. What a great opportunity! Hope you don't mind me asking but what all does she teach? Does she teach in big lecture halls? I'd think anybody would be foolish to not take advantage of the opportunity to take a class of hers. I would for sure.

Go Braves · Dec 8, 2018

iluvatar5150 said:
That's a reason to put him in the candidate pool - maybe even on the short list. It's not a reason to offer him the job outright.

If he was really as dumb and lazy as Trump says he was, then Trump apparently didn't do a good job of vetting him.

Tbh I think the only vetting Trump does is to see whether the person is willing to pucker up to kiss his tail. When it got out that Rex had called him a moron, it was clear he wasn't willing to do that. So he had to go.

Go Braves · Dec 8, 2018

Stanfordella said:
In January when Rex Tillerson was still the Secretary of State he gave a speech on U.S. policies in Syria at my school, and even though the majority of the audience strongly disagreed with what he said, we liked how he said it. He was very amiable and captivating, and it didn't come across as an act. He is indisputably intelligent (Trump's petulant claims to the contrary are without merit, and self-defeating even though he obviously fails to realize that), and I think he has some genuine decency in him, though I think it's fair to describe actions under his leadership both at Exxon and as Secretary of State as indecent.

I also got to see Betsy DeVos when another professor (not Dr. Rice) had her surprise our class with a visit. We're not allowed to give details of what we talked about, but can give our own opinions of the experience. We weren't nearly as impressed. She came across as a total dilettante. She extremely nice, but in a way more artificial manner. She smiled at the end of every statement, regardless as to whether that was appropriate in the context, and it seemed like that was a ploy to try to make her persona compensate for her ineptitude. I'm just an undergrad but the class was actually in the graduate business school, and a lot of the other students were well into adulthood with actual professional experience. But she lavished praise on us in a way that would be more befitting for an elementary school student working on an art project. Another person in the class described her as the type you'd want to nominate to be in charge of an annual high-society ball, the kind that purports to be for the purpose of fundraising for charity, but spends way more money on putting on the event than raising any funds to donate. She did not earn from us the respect that Tillerson did; she actually corroded any respect extended to her simply due to the position she is in.

Y'all sure do have some great opportunities at your school! If you don't mind sharing who else has spoken there or is a big name professor? How did the professor who had Betsy talk to your class know her?

Rex does come across as a pretty likable fellow. I tend to like folks from Texas, lol.

cow451 · Dec 9, 2018

Go Braves said:
I wonder why he doesn't just fix that with laser eye surgery or by wearing contacts. Are those things not possible for him on account of him being so old?

Maybe he can’t find a competent surgeon he can get to sign a NDA.

iluvatar5150 · Dec 9, 2018

Go Braves said:
Y'all sure do have some great opportunities at your school! If you don't mind sharing who else has spoken there or is a big name professor? How did the professor who had Betsy talk to your class know her?

Rex does come across as a pretty likable fellow. I tend to like folks from Texas, lol.

This is one of the reasons I roll my eyes at the "community colleges are just as good" crowd.

wing2000 · Dec 9, 2018

iluvatar5150 said:
This is one of the reasons I roll my eyes at the "community colleges are just as good" crowd.

....just as good at teaching? In our experience, they offer a better learning environment during the first two years than the massive lecture halls of huge research universities....in any case, we're off topic.

I believe Stanforella mentioned she was participating in a graduate level class -as an undergraduate.

DaisyDay · Dec 9, 2018

Go Braves said:
I wonder why he doesn't just fix that with laser eye surgery or by wearing contacts. Are those things not possible for him on account of him being so old?

From what I understand, he was never a big reader, no books, not even the ones he supposedly "wrote", just articles about himself.

His corneas could be too thin for lasik to be successful and contacts don't do much for myopia combined with presbyopia, not to mention astigmatism. If he only has old eyes then he could wear contact lenses such that one eye sees near things and the other sees far, but it really messes up your depth perception. And who knows, it could be macular degeneration or something entirely different - although his doctor did declare him something like the healthiest president ever.

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