Could King David be raised up for the Jews decades before second coming of Jesus?

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That's not a Jewish or Israeli site. Adnan Oktar runs that cite and he is an Islamic creationist!

He is one seriously courageous Muslim to be in support of the rebuilding of the Temple of Solomon!
 
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He is one seriously courageous Muslim to be in support of the rebuilding of the Temple of Solomon!

Why was the first Temple destroyed?

Because there was idolatry, promiscuity and murder.

But the second Temple,
at which time they were occupied in Torah, mitzot and charity.

Why was it destroyed?

Because there was a baseless hate between them.

Talmud Yoma 9b.

Had there been unity they would have merited protection from above.

Not all support the idea,

It is more to do with politics.

I suspect.
 
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Jesus Christ is the King of the Jews (and of everybody else). Jesus Christ is the only king the Jews need.

(Psalms 89)

v 21,
I have found David, My seravant, I have anointed him with My holy oil.

v 28,
I will also make him (My) firstborn,
supreme over the kings of the earth.

v35,
I will not abrogate My covenant,
nor change that which has issued from My lips.
 
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Why was the first Temple destroyed?

Because there was idolatry, promiscuity and murder.

But the second Temple,
at which time they were occupied in Torah, mitzot and charity.

Why was it destroyed?

Because there was a baseless hate between them.

Talmud Yoma 9b.

Had there been unity they would have merited protection from above.

Not all support the idea,

It is more to do with politics.

I suspect.


A strange thought has often crossed my mind......... what could have happened if there had been a Messianic Jewish Prophet during the time of Rabbi Akiba......... who might have advised the Messianic Jewish community to assist Simon Bar Kochba and Rabbi Akiba????

It is kind of a strange thought....... and probably not a good thought..... but I read "Son of a Star" by Andrew Meisels many moons ago.......(about the Bar Kochba Revolt).......
and I couldn't help but wonder about that possibility???

An apology to all members of the military and police!

I just want to say that I am truly sorry for all those years that I was close to believing in near total pacifism! Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua once asked a question of the Scribes and Pharisees that should have made it obvious to me that an extreme situation can call for drastic action by a Christian or Jew who feels called into a life in the military or police!


Mark 3:4 "And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace."

I am almost certain that Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua was referring to the situation faced by the Machabees when Greco - Syrian armies were attacking Jewish communities on the Sabbath.

One community had refused to fight back....but the Machabees....in my opinion correctly judged that this is a violation of an admonition by King Solomon:


Ecclesiastes 7:16 "Be not righteous over much; neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself?"

Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, First Book Of Machabees Chapter 2
Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, 1 Machabees Chapter 2
...

"So they gave them battle on the sabbath: and they were slain with their wives, and their children, and their cattle, to the number of a thousand persons. [39] And Mathathias and his friends heard of it, and they mourned for them exceedingly. [40] And every man said to his neighbour: If we shall all do as our brethren have done, and not fight against the heathens for our lives, and our justifications: they will now quickly root us out of the earth.

[41] And they determined in that day, saying: Whosoever shall come up against us to fight on the sabbath day, we will fight against him: and we will not all die, as our brethren that were slain in the secret places."
 
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Jesus Christ is the King of the Jews (and of everybody else). Jesus Christ is the only king the Jews need.

True..... but Messiah Yeshua - Jesus sometimes hides himself......... from his own people.......

Messiah Yeshua - Jesus did not tell Ms. Beverly Brodsky who He was during her near death experience..... but I believe it was him keeping several of His promises:

Beverly Brodsky's Near-Death Experience


 
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A strange thought has often crossed my mind......... what could have happened if there had been a Messianic Jewish Prophet during the time of Rabbi Akiba......... who might have advised the Messianic Jewish community to assist Simon Bar Kochba and Rabbi Akiba????

It is kind of a strange thought....... and probably not a good thought..... but I read "Son of a Star" by Andrew Meisels many moons ago.......(about the Bar Kochba Revolt).......
and I couldn't help but wonder about that possibility???

An apology to all members of the military and police!

I understand it as so that, in every generation there has been a "Messiah" in as much as,
An extension of the spirit of Moses.

But not The Messiah, who shall usher in the Messanic era,
gather in the exiles, rebuild the Temple.

But hei, I,m not losing any sleep over it. :)

Psalms 127:2,
It is vain for you,
you who rise early,
who sit up late,
and who eat the bread of tension,

For in fact He gives His loved ones sleep.

:)
 
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I understand it as so that, in every generation there has been a "Messiah" in as much as,
An extension of the spirit of Moses.

But not The Messiah, who shall usher in the Messanic era,
gather in the exiles, rebuild the Temple.

But hei, I,m not losing any sleep over it. :)

Psalms 127:2,
It is vain for you,
you who rise early,
who sit up late,
and who eat the bread of tension,

For in fact He gives His loved ones sleep.

:)

An online Theoretical Physicist buddy of mine got me kind of hooked on Multiverse Theory and I got to thinking that his idea could fit beautifully with Ezekiel chapter 37........
which could translate into new time lines..... in which those people with a Moshiach calling on their lives...... DO stand in the gap.......
Do build up a hedge...... and....
Do make it possible for G-d to NOT destroy the land..... such as in the time of Simon Bar Kochba and Rabbi Akiva????

Ezekiel 22:30

And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none.


Multiverse Theory and multiple Ezekiel 37 type events.
 
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Is King David raised up for the Jewish people a significant amount of time previous to when the feet of Messiah stand on the Mt. of Olives in fulfillment of Zechariah chapter 14?

It is pretty obvious that Jesus/Yahushua expects us to believe in the specific fulfillment of the words of the prophets.

"Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:" (Luke 24:25)

The Prophet Jeremiah stated clearly that David would be raised up for the Jews.

"But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them." (Jeremiah 30:9)

It is relevant that Jesus/Yahushua clearly identified John the Baptist as a modern Elijah for his time period.

"And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not,....
Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist." (Matthew 17:10-13)

Could a young, or perhaps not so young Jewish guy be the person who will be raised up for the nation of Israel as another King David much as John the Baptist was another Elijah?

Isaiah speaks about a King Cyrus type of person who was instrumental in assisting the Jewish people to rebuild the second temple to which Jesus/Yahushua came. King Cyrus was a Gentile or possibly a member of the lost tribes of Israel, and did not actually know the God of Abraham very well at all.

"Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;
I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:
And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call [thee] by thy name, [am] the God of Israel.
For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else, [there is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:" (Isaiah 45:1-5)

Although this King Cyrus person sounds somewhat like Jesus/Yahushua in some important ways the fact that it is mentioned that this person does not know God, proves to me that this is not Rabbi Jesus/Yahushua who in my opinion knew HaShem better than anybody else ever did.

Isaiah 66:5 ¶ Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed."A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies." (Isaiah 66:6)

This verse seems to indicate that when the Messiah comes to the earth, there is a functioning temple, I assume on the Temple Mount!? It seems that enemies, typified by the historical Antiochus, have gained control of the temple. In this thoroughly left wing earth this is not so hard to imagine. These enemies apparently cause the sacrifices to cease after being offered for 42 months and apparently kick the Levites off the Temple Mount when they cause the sacrifices to cease?!?!

"Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until [the time] come when ye shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord." (Luke 13:35)

Another valid possible way of looking at this verse, because scriptures seldom have one plain simple meaning that even a child could figure out, is that we Christians have a house that is pretty desolate and we may well not see the complete fulfillment of the Messianic kingdom until AFTER the Jewish people are offering sacrifices on their Temple Mount Complex.

I certainly am in no position to rule out a soon to be rapture that may even somehow fulfill Rosh ha Shanah or one of the other Jewish festivals but I tend to suspect from these verses that the full fledged Messianic kingdom may not be ushered in until we Christians admit that the prophet Ezekiel, came in the name of the Lord, and his words are inspired and blessed.

Sooner or later the Jewish people will fulfill each and every word given in Ezekiel chapters 40 to 48 regarding their Jerusalem Third or perhaps Fourth Temple Mount Complex.

I read My Descent Into Death by former atheist Howard Storm who died, went to hell, prayed and sang hymns while there, met Jesus/Yahushua, got saved, and was sent back to finish his lifetime. He studied and became a pastor. His idea of the kingdom of God being set up over two centuries would fit amazing well with the idea of the Jews building and finishing and offering sacrifices in a Jerusalem Temple Mount Complex previous to the time when the will of God is done fully on this earth!?

My point is that we had better be careful that we are NOT against the Jews in their efforts to rebuild their temple especially if we will not see the feet of Messiah on the Mt. of Olives, until after they fulfill many of the prophecies given to them. Actually, I will go further than this, I believe that Christians who believe in the inspiration of every word given through Ezekiel will assist the Jewish people in at least some capacity to accomplish the things that they must do, that we simply would have no clue how to accomplish!

(Howard Storm)
.near-death.com/experiences/storm03.html

"Son of David" is a Messianic title in fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy.


2 Samuel 7:12-16. NIV
12 When your days are over and you rest with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. 15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever.’”




Luke 2:4
So Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to Bethlehem the town of David, because he belonged to the house and line of David.

Matthew 1:1
[ The Genealogy of Jesus the Messiah ] This is the genealogy of Yahshua the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham:

Matthew 1:20
But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 9:27
[ Jesus Heals the Blind and the Mute ] As Jesus went on from there, two blind men followed him, calling out, “Have mercy on us, Son of David!”

Matthew 12:23
All the people were astonished and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”

Matthew 15:22
A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.

Matthew 20:30
Two blind men were sitting by the roadside, and when they heard that Jesus was going by, they shouted, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on us!”

Matthew 20:31
The crowd rebuked them and told them to be quiet, but they shouted all the louder, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on us!”

Matthew 21:9
The crowds that went ahead of him and those that followed shouted, “Hosanna to the Son of David!” “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!” “Hosanna in the highest heaven!”

Matthew 21:15
But when the chief priests and the teachers of the law saw the wonderful things he did and the children shouting in the temple courts, “Hosanna to the Son of David,” they were indignant.

Matthew 22:42
“What do you think about the Messiah? Whose son is he?” “The son of David,” they replied.

Mark 10:47
When he heard that it was Jesus of Nazareth, he began to shout, “Yahshua, Son of David, have mercy on me!”

Mark 10:48
Many rebuked him and told him to be quiet, but he shouted all the more, “Son of David, have mercy on me!”

Mark 12:35
[ Whose Son Is the Messiah? ] While Jesus was teaching in the temple courts, he asked, “Why do the teachers of the law say that the Messiah is the son of David?

Luke 3:31
the son of Melea, the son of Menna, the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan, the son of David,

Luke 18:38
He called out, “Yahshua, Son of David, have mercy on me!”

Luke 18:39
Those who led the way rebuked him and told him to be quiet, but he shouted all the more, “Son of David, have mercy on me!”

Luke 20:41
[ Whose Son Is the Messiah? ] Then Yahshua said to them, “Why is it said that the Messiah is the son of David?

Isaiah 16:5
In love a throne will be established; in faithfulness a man will sit on it— one from the house of David— one who in judging seeks justice and speeds the cause of righteousness.
Isaiah 22:22
I will place on his shoulder the key to the house of David; what he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.

Jeremiah 23:5
“The days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will raise up for David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land.

Jeremiah 30:9
Instead, they will serve the LORD their God and David their king, whom I will raise up for them.

Jeremiah 33:17
For this is what the LORD says: ‘David will never fail to have a man to sit on the throne of Israel,

Jeremiah 33:21
then my covenant with David my servant—and my covenant with the Levites who are priests ministering before me—can be broken and David will no longer have a descendant to reign on his throne.

Jeremiah 33:22
I will make the descendants of David my servant and the Levites who minister before me as countless as the stars in the sky and as measureless as the sand on the seashore.’”

Ezekiel 34:23
I will place over them one shepherd, my servant David, and he will tend them; he will tend them and be their shepherd.

Ezekiel 34:24
I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David will be prince among them. I the LORD have spoken.

Ezekiel 37:24
“‘My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd. They will follow my laws and be careful to keep my decrees.

Ezekiel 37:25
They will live in the land I gave to my servant Jacob, the land where your ancestors lived. They and their children and their children’s children will live there forever, and David my servant will be their prince forever.

Hosea 3:5
Afterward the Israelites will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They will come trembling to the LORD and to his blessings in the last days.

Zechariah 12:10
[ Mourning for the One They Pierced ] “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

Rom 1:3. Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Rom 1:4. And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Yahshua is David's lord.



The bible says that Christ is a son of David (The King.) Joseph was also a royal descendant of David. I presume that God made Christ body after the lineage of King David.
Jeremiah 33:17
For this is what the Lord says: ‘David will never fail to have a man to sit on the throne of Israel,

Jeremiah 33:18
nor will the Levitical priests ever fail to have a man to stand before me continually to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings and to present sacrifices.’
 
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"Son of David" is a Messianic title in fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy.


2 Samuel 7:12-16. NIV
12 When your days are over and you rest with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with a rod wielded by men, with floggings inflicted by human hands. 15 But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever.’”




Luke 2:4
So Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to Bethlehem the town of David, because he belonged to the house and line of David.

Matthew 1:1
[ The Genealogy of Jesus the Messiah ] This is the genealogy of Yahshua the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham:

Matthew 1:20
But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 9:27
[ Jesus Heals the Blind and the Mute ] As Jesus went on from there, two blind men followed him, calling out, “Have mercy on us, Son of David!”

Matthew 12:23
All the people were astonished and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”

Matthew 15:22
A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.

Matthew 20:30
Two blind men were sitting by the roadside, and when they heard that Jesus was going by, they shouted, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on us!”

Matthew 20:31
The crowd rebuked them and told them to be quiet, but they shouted all the louder, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on us!”

Matthew 21:9
The crowds that went ahead of him and those that followed shouted, “Hosanna to the Son of David!” “Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!” “Hosanna in the highest heaven!”

Matthew 21:15
But when the chief priests and the teachers of the law saw the wonderful things he did and the children shouting in the temple courts, “Hosanna to the Son of David,” they were indignant.

Matthew 22:42
“What do you think about the Messiah? Whose son is he?” “The son of David,” they replied.

Mark 10:47
When he heard that it was Jesus of Nazareth, he began to shout, “Yahshua, Son of David, have mercy on me!”

Mark 10:48
Many rebuked him and told him to be quiet, but he shouted all the more, “Son of David, have mercy on me!”

Mark 12:35
[ Whose Son Is the Messiah? ] While Jesus was teaching in the temple courts, he asked, “Why do the teachers of the law say that the Messiah is the son of David?

Luke 3:31
the son of Melea, the son of Menna, the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan, the son of David,

Luke 18:38
He called out, “Yahshua, Son of David, have mercy on me!”

Luke 18:39
Those who led the way rebuked him and told him to be quiet, but he shouted all the more, “Son of David, have mercy on me!”

Luke 20:41
[ Whose Son Is the Messiah? ] Then Yahshua said to them, “Why is it said that the Messiah is the son of David?

Isaiah 16:5
In love a throne will be established; in faithfulness a man will sit on it— one from the house of David— one who in judging seeks justice and speeds the cause of righteousness.
Isaiah 22:22
I will place on his shoulder the key to the house of David; what he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.

Jeremiah 23:5
“The days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will raise up for David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land.

Jeremiah 30:9
Instead, they will serve the LORD their God and David their king, whom I will raise up for them.

Jeremiah 33:17
For this is what the LORD says: ‘David will never fail to have a man to sit on the throne of Israel,

Jeremiah 33:21
then my covenant with David my servant—and my covenant with the Levites who are priests ministering before me—can be broken and David will no longer have a descendant to reign on his throne.

Jeremiah 33:22
I will make the descendants of David my servant and the Levites who minister before me as countless as the stars in the sky and as measureless as the sand on the seashore.’”

Ezekiel 34:23
I will place over them one shepherd, my servant David, and he will tend them; he will tend them and be their shepherd.

Ezekiel 34:24
I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David will be prince among them. I the LORD have spoken.

Ezekiel 37:24
“‘My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd. They will follow my laws and be careful to keep my decrees.

Ezekiel 37:25
They will live in the land I gave to my servant Jacob, the land where your ancestors lived. They and their children and their children’s children will live there forever, and David my servant will be their prince forever.

Hosea 3:5
Afterward the Israelites will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They will come trembling to the LORD and to his blessings in the last days.

Zechariah 12:10
[ Mourning for the One They Pierced ] “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

Rom 1:3. Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

Rom 1:4. And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Yahshua is David's lord.



The bible says that Christ is a son of David (The King.) Joseph was also a royal descendant of David. I presume that God made Christ body after the lineage of King David.
Jeremiah 33:17
For this is what the Lord says: ‘David will never fail to have a man to sit on the throne of Israel,

Jeremiah 33:18
nor will the Levitical priests ever fail to have a man to stand before me continually to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings and to present sacrifices.’
Yahshua is David's lord.

Yes...... the man similar to King David who will be raised up at this time.... will be be a modern David much as John the Baptist was somehow an "Elijah" and the modern David will........ consider Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to be his Lord!

That is a truly important point to make! Thank you! This means that the modern David will not think that he has to go through Psalm 22 again...... because it was done for him by Messiah the Passover Lamb.
 
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Yes...... the man similar to King David who will be raised up at this time.... will be be a modern David much as John the Baptist was somehow an "Elijah" and the modern David will........ consider Messiah Yeshua - Jesus to be his Lord!

That is a truly important point to make! Thank you! This means that the modern David will not think that he has to go through Psalm 22 again...... because it was done for him by Messiah the Passover Lamb.
In Christ second coming he will come as a victor with great power. There is no need to repeat the Davidic prophecy.
 
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In Christ second coming he will come as a victor with great power. There is no need to repeat the Davidic prophecy.

I totally agree...... but I take the wording on Moshiach ben Ephrayim or Messiah son of Joseph quite seriously in Orthodox and Chassidic Jewish prophecy quite seriously because it seems to me that Isaiah chapters 42 - 46 indicate the raising up of somebody who will assist the Jewish people to get their Jerusalem Third Temple built....... and according to an article by Rabbi Pinchas Winston on Moshiach ben Yossef / Ephrayim...... this person could appear to be merely a Gentile?????

Isaiah 45

Isaiah 45:4
4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel my chosen, I have called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
Isaiah 45:5
5 I am Jehovah, and there is none else; besides me there is no God. I will gird thee, though thou hast not known me;
are intriguing indeed!

How could this refer only to Messiah Yeshua - Jesus?????

He knew G-d better even than King Solomon did!
 
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I totally agree...... but I take the wording on Moshiach ben Ephrayim or Messiah son of Joseph quite seriously in Orthodox and Chassidic Jewish prophecy quite seriously because it seems to me that Isaiah chapters 42 - 46 indicate the raising up of somebody who will assist the Jewish people to get their Jerusalem Third Temple built....... and according to an article by Rabbi Pinchas Winston on Moshiach ben Yossef / Ephrayim...... this person could appear to be merely a Gentile?????

Isaiah 45

Isaiah 45:4
4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel my chosen, I have called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
Isaiah 45:5
5 I am Jehovah, and there is none else; besides me there is no God. I will gird thee, though thou hast not known me;
are intriguing indeed!

How could this refer only to Messiah Yeshua - Jesus?????

He knew G-d better even than King Solomon did!
The Rabbi is mistaken. It is (Israel) who does not know God. Israel was surname by Yahwah.
 
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The Rabbi is mistaken. It is (Israel) who does not know God. Israel was surname by Yahwah.

Some very strange things are happening......
word is out about 70,000 high level arrests of public officials in the USA who have cooperated with the drug trade.... and human trafficking..... If this is true then the breaking of chains and setting free of captives could well be happening right now......
 
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I have yet to see anyone raised after having been dead for thousands of years. At best you might be able to clone the person if you come across some of their DNA. I understand that it's supposed to be "supernatural" but I haven't seen it done supernaturally either nor have I come across any real evidence of such a thing having taken place in the past. It doesn't seem very probable at all.
Only in movies and the Bible........

Matthew 27:
50And Jesus having again cried with a great voice, yielded the spirit; 51and behold!
the vail of the Sanctuary was rent in two from top unto bottom,
and the earth did quake, and the rocks were rent,
52and the tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who have fallen asleep, arose,
53and having come forth out of the tombs after His rising, they went into the holy City, and appeared to many.
54And the centurion, and those with him guarding Jesus, having seen the earthquake, and the things that were done, were exceedingly afraid, saying, ‘Truly this was God’s Son.’

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Verse 52. -
The graves (the sepulchres) were opened. The earthquake tore away the stones that closed the mouths of many of the adjacent tombs. This and the following fact are mentioned only by St. Matthew. Many bodies of the saints which slept (τῶν κεκοιμημένων, who had fallen asleep) arose. Matthew anticipates the time of the actual occurrence of the marvel, which took place, not at this moment, but after our Lord's resurrection, who was "the firstfruits of them that slept" (see the next verse). Who are meant by "the saints" here is doubtful. The Jews probably would have understood the term to apply to the worthies of the Old Testament (comp. 2 Peter 3:4). But the opening of the sepulchres in the neighbourhood of Jerusalem would not have liberated the bodies of many of those who were buried far away. The persons signified must be those who in life had looked for the hope of Israel, and had seen in Christ that hope fulfilled; they were such as Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathaea, true believers, who are called saints in the New Testament. How did these bodies arise? or how were they raised up? They were not mere phantoms, unsubstantial visitants from the spirit world, for they were in some sense corporeal. That they were not resuscitated corpses, as Lazarus, Jairus's daughter and the son of the widow, who lived for a time a second life, seems plain from the expression applied to them in the next verse, that "they appeared unto many," i.e. to persons who had known them while living. Some have thought that in them was anticipated the general resurrection, that, delivered from Hades and united to their bodies, they died no more, but at the Ascension accompanied Christ into heaven. Scripture says nothing of all this, nor have we any reason to suppose that any human body, save that of our blessed Lord (mediaeval legends add that of the Virgin Mary), has yet entered the highest heaven (see Hebrews 11:39, 40)........................

Verse 53. -
Came out of (ἐξελθόντες) the graves after his resurrection. The masculine participle, not agreeing with "bodies" (σώματα), denotes the personality of the bodies of the saints, that these arose perfect in soul and body. They could not rise before Christ rose. "Christ the firstfruits, afterwards they that are Christ's." Ewald and others have understood "after his resurrection" to mean "after he raised them from the dead." But the language is against such an interpretation, and there can be no reasonable doubt that the words refer to Christ's own resurrection. If it be contended that the word used, ἔγερσις, is active in sense, we may reply that, granting this, it merely emphasizes Christ's voluntary action in raising himself. As was said above, St. Matthew anticipates the regular sequence of events in order to complete at one view his accounts of the portents that attended the death and resurrection of Christ. The holy city. Jerusalem, as in ch. 4:5. The guilty Jerusalem is still the holy city, as retaining the temple, with its services, the ministry, the Scriptures. Some would understand the heavenly Jerusalem, into which these spiritual bodies entered; but the context is wholly against such an exposition. Appeared unto many. They were permitted to show themselves openly in their well known forms to pious relations and friends, as witnesses and proofs of the resurrection. If they had already gone to heaven, they could not have thus appeared. It may he right to add that many of the Fathers and modern commentators hold that these resuscitated saints were those to whom Christ preached (1 Peter 3:19) when he descended into hell, and that they accompanied him into glory when he ascended into heaven.
 
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Jewish thought in 2019 on certain scriptures is different from Orthodox Christian thought on those same scriptures in the Jewish Bible and........
both Christians and Jews know less on the full meaning than G-d knows so...........

what all did Messiah Yeshua - Jesus fully mean by John the Baptist being the Elijah for his time period????????

Could a separate and unique individual be the "David" for our time period???????
 
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