Will rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple help stabilize the climate?

Will the fulfillment of Ezekiel 40 to 48 help the climate?

  • Yes.... The G-d of Abraham keeps H-s promises.

  • No.... the Abrahamic, Mosaic, Davidic and Levitical covenants no longer apply.

  • No ... the earth must be completely burned up.

  • Yes... and rebuilding the temple will be an inexpensive way to turn deserts green.


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there is no physical/natural reason why the temple would affect the climate of the globe, but if God wants to snap his fingers and make it have that effect, he can. He can also snap his fingers and make it so right now, without any temple, tent, tower or toolshed being prerequisite, if he wanted.
 
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The re-established Jewish Sanhedrin is pushing the envelope on the rebuilding of the Temple the last evening of Hanukkah, by consecrating a stone altar and reading of a declaration to all nations intended as an invitation to participate in receiving its blessings – leading to an effort to replace the United Nations with a new, God-centered organization.
 
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The re-established Jewish Sanhedrin is pushing the envelope on the rebuilding of the Temple the last evening of Hanukkah, by consecrating a stone altar and reading of a declaration to all nations intended as an invitation to participate in receiving its blessings – leading to an effort to replace the United Nations with a new, God-centered organization.

Would nations like India, China, Japan or Tibet be part of this God-centered organization ?
 
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“70 nations” references the 70 original nations listed after the Flood.

Yes or no would be sufficient. Is this a yes or a no ?

But even with your ambiguous answer, I can follow up by asking how do you have a "God-centered" organization when many of the nations (whether ancient or modern) follow non-Abrahamic religions ?
 
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I think the building of the Third Temple will help focus the World's attention more on Israel if nothing else. I pray for the peace of Jerusalem and for G_d to watch over and protect all of Israel and the Jewish people. This world is steadily turning once more steadily against the Jewish People and against Israel in particular The G_d of Israel is putting hooks in the nations jaws and drawing them to their destruction. Look up oh Israel for your salvation promised by the Lord draws ever nearer!

I just got back an exceptionally insightful reply on the idea of the Jerusalem Third Temple and I am curious what you think of this?

Could 2017 - 2021 be four years of Grace for the church?
 
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Yes or no would be sufficient. Is this a yes or a no ?

But even with your ambiguous answer, I can follow up by asking how do you have a "God-centered" organization when many of the nations (whether ancient or modern) follow non-Abrahamic religions ?

Read
Isaiah 42
to
Isaiah 46
and ask yourself if Messiah Yeshua - Jesus has what could be termed "Cyrus Consciousness" when it comes to His dealings with non- Christians and / or non- Jews?
 
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Read
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Isaiah 46
and ask yourself if Messiah Yeshua - Jesus has what could be termed "Cyrus Consciousness" when it comes to His dealings with non- Christians and / or non- Jews?

We're not talking about the messianic kingdom.
How would a "New United Nations" be different from the current United Nations ?
How would a "God-centered United Nations" work? would it exclude half of the world's nations ?
What would be its goal ?
Why should China or India (for example) care to be part of this organization?

How do you write a letter to a "Biblical nation" like say Magog or Tubal or Sheba or Dedan, when there are no nations that go by these names?

Do we just arbitrarily decide that Magog and Meshek corresponds to (for example) Russia (and thus Russia gets two votes in this New United Nations) ?
 
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We're not talking about the messianic kingdom.
How would a "New United Nations" be different from the current United Nations ?
How would a "God-centered United Nations" work? would it exclude half of the world's nations ?
What would be its goal ?
Why should China or India (for example) care to be part of this organization?

How do you write a letter to a "Biblical nation" like say Magog or Tubal or Sheba or Dedan, when there are no nations that go by these names?

Do we just arbitrarily decide that Magog and Meshek corresponds to (for example) Russia (and thus Russia gets two votes in this New United Nations) ?

Define the phrase "Messianic kingdom?"

Was the kingdom of King David a Messianic kingdom?

Yes!

Was the kingdom of King Solomon a Messianic kingdom?

Yes!

Isaiah 42
to
Isaiah 46
seems to be about another "Messianic kingdom" but..... it is a mere human political leader who DOES NOT KNOW THE LORD???????????????!

But is still led by the right hand!!!!

Isaiah 45

Thus saith Jehovah to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him, and I will loose the loins of kings; to open the doors before him, and the gates shall not be shut: 2 I will go before thee, and make the rough places smooth; I will break in pieces the doors of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron; 3 and I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that it is I, Jehovah, who call thee by thy name, even the God of Israel.

4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel my chosen, I have called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

5 I am Jehovah, and there is none else; besides me there is no God. I will gird thee, though thou hast not known me; 6 that they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none besides me: I am Jehovah, and there is none else.

I found the following message on Facebook and first shared it back in 2010... i think September or October if I remember correctly..... it could have been written some time before that:

Eporu Ronald Alfred

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Dear brethren,
I salute you in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ!

RE: SHARING NEW DISCOVERIES OF THE TRUTH IN BIBLE PROPHECY CONCERNING THE IMMINENT HEALING AND UNITY OF THE CHURCH

I am mesmerized by the truth in bible prophecy that the Spirit of God has been revealing over the recent years. Secret things belong to God and those that are revealed belong to us and our children... (Deut 29: 29).

1. King Cyrus the great ruled his country 555 years Before Christ i.e. from 576 BC to 530 BC and authorised the rebuilding of the second temple in Jerusalem. Cyrus of the Old Testament is hence associated with the number 555 and is the shadow figure of incoming Cyrus II of the New Testament. You may learn more about his history from the internet and scriptures. This new truth enables us to identify the leadership of the world that will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem as prophesied in book of Isaiah before the rise of antichrist. Cyrus II is coming to revive the evangelical/Pentecostal church in Jerusalem and restore the headquarters of the church in same city where the church was born. He is set to strip Babylon of the vessels of the temple and the name of the Lord God and transfer that crown back to Jerusalem thus leaving Babylon naked. Cyrus will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem in fulfilment of the prophecy of Jesus as written in the book of John 2:18-23 and the prophecy of Isaiah as written in chapters 40, 41, 45 and 47 of the book of Isaiah. Jesus regarded the temple as the symbol of his own body while saying that he had the power to lay it down on the first day (1st millennium) and rebuild or raise it up on the 3rd day (3rd millennium). Remember that one day in the eyes of God is the same as one thousand years (millennium) as stated in book of 2 Peter 3:8. Rebuilding of the temple is thus associated with unification of the church.

Cyrus II will rebuild the temple in honour of our lord Jesus Christ. The temple will be the unifying (rallying) point of the world wide evangelical church as the original headquarters of the church. Psalms133 denotes that there is such a powerful anointing that comes along with unity among brethren. Unification of the whole body of Jesus Christ will make the church so powerful that she will overrun the world within a short time before the return of our lord Jesus Christ. A divided church is a powerless church whereas a united church is a powerful church. The church can only be able to fulfil her ultimate mission of revealing Jesus to the world once we get united as one body of Jesus Christ following his last prayer for his disciples as written in John 17:20-23.

Cyrus II will erase that false image of Jesus that the counterfeit and Idolatrous state church of Babylon has been projecting around the world and revive the original church that projects the true brilliant image of Jesus Christ. Haggai 2:9 says that the glory of the latter church (temple) will be greater than the glory of the former church (temple).The rise of Cyrus will also usher in the ultimate fulfilment of the prophecy of Joel 2:28 where God intends to pour out His Spirit on all flesh in these last days. The era of Cyrus brings the gentile period of grace to its close and leads to the restoration of the Jewish period of grace and salvation.




2. King Manasseh was the shadow figure (forerunner) of the antichrist in the Old Testament who ruled over Jerusalem exactly 666 years Before Christ i.e. from 697 BC to 642 BC. (2 chronicle 33: 1-2 and 2 kings 21: 1-17). Antichrist is associated with the number 666 as written in the book of Revelation 13:18. Manasseh was the most evil king to have ever ruled over the city of Jerusalem and kingdom of Judah.

Manasseh is reported to have killed so many innocent people in Jerusalem that the streets of Jerusalem were flowing with blood; he worshiped pagan idols and stars; he built pagan alters for idols and stars in the very courtyards of the temple; he sacrificed his sons to idols; he consulted diviners and mediums; he even set up an abominable pagan image at the temple that causes desolation just as the incoming antichrist will do. It was on that basis that God decided to have that first temple destroyed completely since Manasseh had desecrated it.



3. Prophet Jonah was the shadow figure (forerunner) of Jesus Christ in the Old Testament who undertook his prophetic ministry around 777 B.C. Prophet Jonah is hence associated with the number 777. He arose from the shadow and demise of Prophet Elisha. His preaching radiated such great power and authority that turned the city of Nineveh as the rising super power of that time up side down within 3 days only (read the book of Jonah). Jonah was the prophetic force behind the restoration of the lost territories of Israel in the reign of King Jeroboam II of Israel between 782 BC and 741 BC as written in II Kings 14:25. Jonah related with God more or less as his own father and God loved him more or less as His own son. He volunteered to die save occupants of the ship and was raised to life after three days just like Jesus Christ. Jesus compared himself with Jonah as his forerunner in the Old Testament as far as his earthly ministry, death and resurrection was concerned in Mathew 12; 38-41, Luke 11; 29-32. Jesus will also oversee the restoration of the lost territories of Israel just like prophet Jonah when he comes to rule as the king of kings and Lord of Lords. We can therefore correctly associate Jesus Christ with the number 777 just like Jonah as our commander-in-chief, Lord of the Sabbath and fountain of life.

The more we know where we came from the more we know where we are going. You are cordially invited to visit my face book home page for more information and messages. Feel free to share this truth with other brethren just as I received it free of charge from God.

Your brother in Christ

Eporu Ronald
Scientist & Minister of Bible Prophecy


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Define the phrase "Messianic kingdom?"

The Messianic Kingdom refers to the time when Yeshua is ruling physically on earth.

You may have your own views about things, my replies were to Visionary's statements:

"The re-established Jewish Sanhedrin is pushing the envelope on the rebuilding of the Temple the last evening of Hanukkah, by consecrating a stone altar and reading of a declaration to all nations intended as an invitation to participate in receiving its blessings – leading to an effort to replace the United Nations with a new, God-centered organization."

"“70 nations” references the 70 original nations listed after the Flood."

There is no mention here of a 2nd coming, so I take it as referring to this age: a human attempt by the current Sanhedrin to reach out to nations that literally do not exist.

(Something tells me they are not actually doing this though, and that their words/actions have been misrepresented.)
 
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I just got back an exceptionally insightful reply on the idea of the Jerusalem Third Temple and I am curious what you think of this?

Could 2017 - 2021 be four years of Grace for the church?

Oh, I believe that completely just as I told my pastor before Obama was elected that he would be and the harm he would do to America. He did not believe me at the time by time proved me correct. People get the leaders they deserve and those that G_d can use to work out his plan. After Trump I see very dark times coming for America and I sincerely hope the Lord sees fit to take me home by then. What I see going on in America really grieves my spirit so deeply and so few have the understanding or will to fight against it even in the Christian Church that is so rapidly apostatizing its core teachings.
 
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The Messianic Kingdom refers to the time when Yeshua is ruling physically on earth.

You may have your own views about things, my replies were to Visionary's statements:

"The re-established Jewish Sanhedrin is pushing the envelope on the rebuilding of the Temple the last evening of Hanukkah, by consecrating a stone altar and reading of a declaration to all nations intended as an invitation to participate in receiving its blessings – leading to an effort to replace the United Nations with a new, God-centered organization."

"“70 nations” references the 70 original nations listed after the Flood."

There is no mention here of a 2nd coming, so I take it as referring to this age: a human attempt by the current Sanhedrin to reach out to nations that literally do not exist.

(Something tells me they are not actually doing this though, and that their words/actions have been misrepresented.)

So few understand the Millennial Reign of Yeshua (Jesus) after His Second Coming will be a physical Kingdom upon this Earth before the New Earth, New Heaven and New Jerusalem comes. G_d has revealed this to you! Praise The Lord and Come Quickly Lord that ever eye will see Your Majesty and Power oh Lord and all Israel will be saved just as your word declares!
 
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The Messianic Kingdom refers to the time when Yeshua is ruling physically on earth.

You may have your own views about things, my replies were to Visionary's statements:

"The re-established Jewish Sanhedrin is pushing the envelope on the rebuilding of the Temple the last evening of Hanukkah, by consecrating a stone altar and reading of a declaration to all nations intended as an invitation to participate in receiving its blessings – leading to an effort to replace the United Nations with a new, God-centered organization."

"“70 nations” references the 70 original nations listed after the Flood."

There is no mention here of a 2nd coming, so I take it as referring to this age: a human attempt by the current Sanhedrin to reach out to nations that literally do not exist.

(Something tells me they are not actually doing this though, and that their words/actions have been misrepresented.)


The Sanhedrin believe that they must set the stage for the literal fulfillment of Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48 and they seem to be attempting to do that.

What do you think of this assessment of how things worked between Messianic Jews and Rabbinic Jews before 70 C. E?

"The Sacrificial System Will Continue

One of the most perplexing ideas to students of Scripture is the idea that God intends that the annual feasts, along with animal sacrifice, will continue into the Millennium. Many Christians who have studied the prophetic portions of Zechariah 14, Isaiah 66, and Ezekiel 40 - 48, which clearly describe these Millennial worship ordinations, are confused by the idea. They ask, "Didn't the sacrifice of Christ eliminate animal sacrifices forever?"

............"Only the complete sacrifice of Jesus could ever totally atone for our sins. However, God clearly demanded the sacrifices from Adam to Christ. Those sacrifices were acts of obedience to the direct command of God, as well as acknowledgements of one's own personal sinfulness and need for God's forgiveness. Animal sacrifices covered the sins of the people temporarily until the prophesied Messiah would come and offer Himself once and for all as the necessary atonement for sin. If animal sacrifice can never atone for sin, why would God allow Israel to resume such sacrifice in the Third Temple, prior to Armageddon, and then demand that Israel continue such sacrifice in the Millennium? There are two reasons why I believe this is true."

First, the early Jewish - Christian Church continued to offer sacrifices in the first century.".......



.......Second, New Testament writers used the legal sacrificial system to illustrate very important points concerning Christ's sacrifice on the Cross.......

..... These examples of the way early Jewish believers used God's law to teach great love when He sacrificed His only Son on the cross will be repeated during the Millennium." (Grant R. Jeffrey, Messiah, War in the Middle East and the Road to Armageddon, page 317, 318 and 319)

I think that this is very insightful and it seems that the Orthodox Jewish community may tend to be somewhat disappointed that so few Christians see this as the late Grant R. Jeffrey did.

The time of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus ruling on the earth will be the ultimate Era of Messiah but...... before then...... there is still a promise that may be more important than we tend to imagine at first?


Could King David be raised up for the Jews decades before second coming of Jesus?

Is King David raised up for the Jewish people a significant amount of time previous to when the feet of Messiah stand on the Mt. of Olives in fulfillment of Zechariah chapter 14?

It is pretty obvious that Jesus/Yahushua expects us to believe in the specific fulfillment of the words of the prophets.

"Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:" (Luke 24:25)

The Prophet Jeremiah stated clearly that David would be raised up for the Jews.

"But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them." (Jeremiah 30:9)

It is relevant that Jesus/Yahushua clearly identified John the Baptist as a modern Elijah for his time period.

"And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not,....
Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist." (Matthew 17:10-13)

Could a young, or perhaps not so young Jewish guy be the person who will be raised up for the nation of Israel as another King David much as John the Baptist was another Elijah?

Isaiah speaks about a King Cyrus type of person who was instrumental in assisting the Jewish people to rebuild the second temple to which Jesus/Yahushua came. King Cyrus was a Gentile or possibly a member of the lost tribes of Israel, and did not actually know the God of Abraham very well at all.

"Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;
I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:
And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call [thee] by thy name, [am] the God of Israel.
For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else, [there is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:" (Isaiah 45:1-5)

Although this King Cyrus person sounds somewhat like Jesus/Yahushua in some important ways the fact that it is mentioned that this person does not know God, proves to me that this is not Rabbi Jesus/Yahushua who in my opinion knew HaShem better than anybody else ever did.

Isaiah 66:5 ¶ Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed."A voice of noise from the city, a voice from the temple, a voice of the LORD that rendereth recompence to his enemies." (Isaiah 66:6)

This verse seems to indicate that when the Messiah comes to the earth, there is a functioning temple, I assume on the Temple Mount!? It seems that enemies, typified by the historical Antiochus, have gained control of the temple. In this thoroughly left wing earth this is not so hard to imagine. These enemies apparently cause the sacrifices to cease after being offered for 42 months and apparently kick the Levites off the Temple Mount when they cause the sacrifices to cease?!?!

"Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until [the time] come when ye shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord." (Luke 13:35)

Another valid possible way of looking at this verse, because scriptures seldom have one plain simple meaning that even a child could figure out, is that we Christians have a house that is pretty desolate and we may well not see the complete fulfillment of the Messianic kingdom until AFTER the Jewish people are offering sacrifices on their Temple Mount Complex.

I certainly am in no position to rule out a soon to be rapture that may even somehow fulfill Rosh ha Shanah or one of the other Jewish festivals but I tend to suspect from these verses that the full fledged Messianic kingdom may not be ushered in until we Christians admit that the prophet Ezekiel, came in the name of the Lord, and his words are inspired and blessed.

Sooner or later the Jewish people will fulfill each and every word given in Ezekiel chapters 40 to 48 regarding their Jerusalem Third or perhaps Fourth Temple Mount Complex.

I read My Descent Into Death by former atheist Howard Storm who died, went to hell, prayed and sang hymns while there, met Jesus/Yahushua, got saved, and was sent back to finish his lifetime. He studied and became a pastor. His idea of the kingdom of God being set up over two centuries would fit amazing well with the idea of the Jews building and finishing and offering sacrifices in a Jerusalem Temple Mount Complex previous to the time when the will of God is done fully on this earth!?

My point is that we had better be careful that we are NOT against the Jews in their efforts to rebuild their temple especially if we will not see the feet of Messiah on the Mt. of Olives, until after they fulfill many of the prophecies given to them. Actually, I will go further than this, I believe that Christians who believe in the inspiration of every word given through Ezekiel will assist the Jewish people in at least some capacity to accomplish the things that they must do, that we simply would have no clue how to accomplish!

(Howard Storm)
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The Sanhedrin believe that they must set the stage for the literal fulfillment of Ezekiel chapters 40 - 48 and they seem to be attempting to do that.

I elaborated on my questions (to Visionary) when you asked me, (in a reply to you,) but I really only did so thinking she would read that and jump back into the discussion. I also wondered if maybe you two shared the same view, but it quickly became clear that is not the case either, thus you can't answer for her.

Anyway, most likely the Sanhedrin are not in fact reaching out to unidentifiable nations in an attempt to create an impossible organization that, if it somehow could be created, would just be [1] identical to the current United Nations, or [2] alternatively a crippled UN (if it didn't include all the world's nations) being therefore even less meaningful than the current UN.

Dennis I don't think you're picking up on the fact that Vis is talking about nations that cannot be identified. First I thought the problem was that it wouldn't include all the world's nations, but then it became clear that it wouldn't include any (currently existing) nations.
 
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I elaborated on my questions (to Visionary) when you asked me, (in a reply to you,) but I really only did so thinking she would read that and jump back into the discussion. I also wondered if maybe you two shared the same view, but it quickly became clear that is not the case either, thus you can't answer for her.

Anyway, most likely the Sanhedrin are not in fact reaching out to unidentifiable nations in an attempt to create an impossible organization that, if it somehow could be created, would just be [1] identical to the current United Nations, or [2] alternatively a crippled UN (if it didn't include all the world's nations) being therefore even less meaningful than the current UN.

Dennis I don't think you're picking up on the fact that Vis is talking about nations that cannot be identified. First I thought the problem was that it wouldn't include all the world's nations, but then it became clear that it wouldn't include any (currently existing) nations.
My posting has to do with, in keeping the topic of the thread, the temple and it is not about the Messianic Kingdom.
 
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My posting has to do with, in keeping the topic of the thread, the temple and it is not about the Messianic Kingdom.

Yes, that is what I assumed, and is the exact reason why I identified these logical problems. If you were talking about the millennial kingdom, then these problems may not exist. We don't really know what the millennial kingdom will be like, but we know what the present world is like.

For example, we cannot presently identify the Biblical nations, therefore any "organization of nations" that requires such knowledge would be a futile one, a non-starter.

Even if you could identify them, and convince the nations to redraw their borders and create entirely new governments (for all we know, Russia might correspond to 3 Biblical nations and thus would have to be split into three new countries - which will absolutely not happen) at the end of all this you'd just have a new iteration of the same thing that we currently have.

Like I have said I'm quite certain that the present Sanhedrin would not waste their time on such an endeavor. It would literally be an attack on the national sovereignty and borders of every single nation on earth.

The state of Israel would at the very least have a chance against some of their neighbors, but the Sanhedrin doesn't have an army or any sway whatsoever. The Pope or the Dalai Lama or the Hindu Religious Congress has far more sway, and even they could not redraw the borders of any nation.

Most people have never even heard of the Sanhedrin. I doubt they have diplomatic relations with any countries. If you were an atheist leader of China, or a Hindu leader of India, why would you care that some foreign religious organization is asking you to redraw your borders ?
You wouldn't.

I'm looking forward to a one-sentence reply that doesn't clarify anything.
 
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My posting has to do with, in keeping the topic of the thread, the temple and it is not about the Messianic Kingdom.

Have you heard what Rabbi Jonathan Kahn says on the topic of the Jerusalem Third Temple?
 
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